Evil Angels Cohabitating with the Women in Genesis





Since it is God's light that dispels the darkness, then as part of our spiritual warfare it is important to work through even some of the most controversial and difficult Scriptures, at least to the best of our ability. Otherwise, we can easily be misled and mislead others into superstitions and other false beliefs of spiritual consequence. For example, if we believe that God sends evil spirits to afflict His people in order that they may grow spiritually, then why resist the devil since it is God's will? If we believe that everything that happens to us is God's will, then why pray for deliverance since it is God's will? When we reflect on these ideas we begin to realize the implications and significance of fastening the belt of truth, as we know, the devil's greatest weapon is "deception."

A main reason for publishing this post is to dispel any fear or sensationalism that fallen angels have or ever had the power to cohabitate with women and propagate a freak offspring of part divine and part human entities, as some believe, the fallen angels being labeled as "giants" in the book of Genesis.

A second reason for writing this post is to avoid chasing the wind in our quest to find answers as we attempt to gain an understanding of God's Truth about our world and the problem of good and evil.

God tells us to search the scriptures in order to prove or disprove doctrine that is taught. In the book of Acts we read,

Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Again in Ephesians Paul writes,

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Whatever experiences or theories we may have that are seemingly supported by the belief that fallen angels or devil spirits can or have produced a progeny of giants in the book of Genesis, and we find that these are not supported by the Word of God, than we must seek answers elsewhere in order to resolve the problems or questions at hand. Let's weigh the evidence and fasten the "belt of truth" which is an integral part of spiritual warfare and examine God's Word regarding the Doctrine of Angels.

The "Sons of God" in Genesis 6: Fallen Angels or Humans?

The Scripture: Genesis 6:1-5 (KJV)

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, (2) That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. (3) And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. (4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil.

There are some who believe that the "sons of God" in verse 2 are fallen angels who cohabitated with the daughters of men, thereby producing an offspring of "giants" or "Nephilim" that resulted in a human-divine progeny. Although the angelic position makes for a very interesting story, as we will see, the arguments posed in behalf of this view lack strong support and are founded on speculation, in contrast, identifying the sons of God as men is logically supported by Scripture and in all probability involved the people of God during this era of long ago.

A premise of the fallen angelic view concerns those Scriptures in which angels are identified as "sons of God" on three occasions in the book of Job (1:6, 2:1 and 38:7). Many who hold this view propose that all Old Testament Scripture using this phrase is exclusively meant for angels and is therefore applied to the Genesis account.

First, it should be noted that of the three verses in Job, chapter 38, verse 7 is the most convincing reference for identifying angels as "sons of God" because the occurrence is placed at the time of creation. However, the other two verses are not as clearly defined, but the probability that angels are indicated does exist within the text. On the other hand, these verses may also be a reference to the people of God as they presented themselves before the Lord, in which Satan, being among them, sought to test Job's faith in God.

Second, other bible accounts negate the idea that all references to son or sons of God point to angelic beings in the Old Testament.

Other References to the Son or Sons of God in the OT

The sons of God not only refer to the angels of God but also to the people of God.

1. Adam is called a son of God in Luke 3:38 "Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God."

2. Israel was the chosen son of God in which God testifies, "Israel is my firstborn son" (Ex. 4:22, Jer. 31:9).

3. In Deuteronomy chapter 32, verse 8, the Revised Standard Version reads, "according to the number of the sons of God" instead of "sons of Israel" as it is translated in the King James Version. The Revised Standard Version translation is supported by a Dead Sea Scroll text (New Bible Dict. p. 1133).

4. God allocated sonship to those in covenant with Him, "you are the sons of the Lord your God" (Dt. 14:1).

5. God also proclaims the personal sonship of David, "I will proclaim the decree . . . You are my son; today I have become your Father" (Ps. 2:7).

6. In the prophecies of the book of Isaiah we read, "I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth" (Isa 43:6).

In addition, The New Bible Dictionary explains that the son of God in Hebrew means "god" or "god-like" rather than "son of [the] God" or Yahweh. However, the argument that the sons of God is always a reference to angels biblically lacks support as shown in the examples above.

"Giants" Half Human and Half Divine?

The word giant or giants is used throughout Scripture to describe humanity and it is never used to describe a race of divine-human origin. The word giants or Nephilim are used in both Genesis, chapter 6, verse 4, and Numbers, chapter 13, verse 33.

In Strong's Hebrew Dictionary the word Nephilim is defined as properly meaning, "a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant" However, elsewhere we are told that the original meaning of this Hebrew word is unknown and seems to be used in reference to a group of people. The author also states that this term and all the other terms translated giant are not defined as having that actual meaning. I quote, "Since none of the terms translated 'giants' has that actual meaning, we cannot be sure the Nephilim were of unusual physical stature" (Baker's Encyl. Vol 1, 861).

In the book of Numbers, the Nephilim are the inhabitants of Canaan at the time of the Conquest, "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak . . ."(Num. 13:33).

There is a strong possibility that the Anakims were renowned warrior heroes of large stature, ". . . we were in our own sight as grasshoppers" (Num. 13:33).

However, from another source the contrast between giants and grasshoppers is understood to be "a strong Orientalism, by which the treacherous spies gave an exaggerated report of the physical strength of the people of Canaan" (E-sword: Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown).

Can Angels or Fallen Angels Propagate?

Others suggest that some of the angels in the bible appear as men and could have very well possessed the ability to engage in sexual activity while in human form. However, Theissen notes that "the angels are described as a company or hosts and not as a race." In Psalms we read, "Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts" (Ps.148: 2). The angels may have been called the sons of God in the book of Job, but nowhere in the bible do we read about the "sons of angels" (Lectures in Systematic Theology)."

Angels are spirits (Heb. 1:14); Jesus responded to the question of marriage in heaven in the gospel of Luke, chapter 20, verses 34-36, with the following response,

"And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

Clearly, angels are not of this world and we may conclude that angels are spirits, sexless, and do not marry or bear children. Although angels appear in the likeness of human flesh, they are spirit and were not created with the ability to propagate that spirit in which they were created. Entertaining the idea of a divine-human progeny is not given to us in Scripture and again is left to a great deal of speculation.

Secondly, the apostle Paul tells us that our bodies will be spiritual bodies, "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body" (1Co 15:44). As already seen in the Gospel of Luke, these bodies will not be given in marriage. We can safely assume that the form of an angel appearing as man is likewise.

Thirdly, in order to validate the fallen angelic view, God's law of propagation set forth in Genesis of bringing forth seed after its own kind becomes null and void. Therefore the half human and half divine argument is premature and becomes speculative because it contradicts the Word of God in several areas.

In the words of Paul:

1Co 15:38-40 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.


The Context of Genesis 6: 1-5 is about Humanity

The whole context of this section of Scripture concerns humanity. The human race continued to multiply and the "sons of God" took whatever wives they chose from the daughters of humanity. This seems to be in line with the conditions of Noah's time, wherein the gospel of Luke chapter 17: 26-27, state the following,

"And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all."


Except for Noah and his family the human race was eventually destroyed by the flood because human hearts were thoroughly evil.

The fact that there is absolutely no mention of any angels strongly supports the idea that the sons of God were certainly men. In addition, the usage of the term men represents humanity in four of five times used in this section. The Hebrew word adam or "ruddy", that is, a human being (individuals, species, mankind, etc.,) with the exception of verse 5, where the offspring became "mighty men" or in Hebrew gibbor meaning "powerful, warrior, tyrant, giant" (Strong's Heb. & Gk. Dict.).

Life in general was lived according to the desires of the flesh without regard for the righteous ways of God. However, the emphasis on the "sons of God" is in all probability significantly tied to the godly lines that existed during this period of time.

First, the book of Genesis is about God, His people and not about worldly rulers in general.

Second, it has already been established that the term son or sons of God pertain to the people of God or angels in Scripture, and therefore reasonable in its application here.

Third, although there is no way of knowing for certain, it may very well be that the sons of God held powerful positions and conducted business in a worldly versus godly sense, taking women as it pleased them and indicative of taking on the ways of the world. The offspring described as mighty men and warriors is supportive that this may very well be the case.


In light of the above, we discover that by assigning fallen angels as the sons of God in Genesis, chapter 6, we are fraught with unresolved problems. In establishing the fact that the Bible makes reference to angels as sons of God, we likewise recognize the same phrase is used to describe the people of God. We are unable to rectify a divine-human progeny with the Word of God. The descriptive term "giants" is alluded to man and primarily in a figurative sense of possessing extensive characteristics versus gigantic physical size. The only person having both one-hundred percent human as well as divine substance is the Lord Jesus Christ, and was accomplished only through the power and miracle of God.






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I COULD NOT FIND YOUR OTHER POST ON THIS,,,, SO WE CAN START HERE SHALL WILL LOOK AT WHAT WE BOTH BELIEVE AND LET GOD TELL US???? PLEASE TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE "VOICE" BECAUSE WE BOTH KNOW THE WORD OF GOD IS SIMPLE..

WE CAN START IN GENESIS 3 OR GENESIS 6 BUT I WOULD RATHER START WITH

"For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

and dont be confused Voice this is not some kinda challenge... If you understand Hebrew like you say, you should understand the simple truths that wiggles there way through the entire bible....

no 'other' post, only the one above you
I speak modern and biblical hebrew for two reasons:
1. it has been part of my heritage since my birth
2. it represented a significant part of my university curriculum
3. it represents a significant part of what I practice now



a study of the Art Scroll Tanach translation of Genesis 6 would be helpful to demonstrate that the above quote is unnecessary to elucidate the plain meaning of the texts



For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. 2 Timothy 1:7

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14:33

no challenge - water off a duck's back

a study of the Art Scroll Tanach translation of Genesis 6 would be helpful to demonstrate that the above quote is unnecessary to elucidate the plain meaning of the texts

O is that so??? First thing first voice do you understand the make up of angels???? They are made in the image of God are they not??? "Let us make man in our image" "OUR image" So humans and angels are made in the image of God....

Genesis 18:1 "And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;"
Genesis 18:2 "And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,"

Abraham knew who he was approaching, for in the Hebrew text the three men are referred to as "Elohim" or "two angels". We will see in Genesis 19:1 where these two men are correctly identified as angels.

Genesis 18:4 "Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:"

Abraham is trying to be a good host, and offer them comfort under his oak trees.

Genesis 18:5 "And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant." And they said, "So do, as thou hast said."

Yahoveh has said, "that is good, go and get it done".

Genesis 18:6 "And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, "Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth."

Genesis 18:7 "And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetch a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it."

Genesis 18:8 "And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat."

Angel food [manna] as was written in Psalm 78:25. We also know that Jesus Christ ate regular food after his resurrection, and while in His resurrected body [Luke 24:30, 43, and Acts 10:41]

So you see that man can eat angel food and angels can eat the food of man....

do you understand this?????

As far as this goes "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels."

why would a woman have to worry about good angels???? she doesnt so who does she need to worry about????
the bad angels.... why????

Exellent work, Voice.

I also have read about the fact that the whole Nehilim account in Gen 6 is, inits context a continuation of a story already developed in Gen 4-5. In 4:19-26 we see Lamech, listed as the seventh son from Adam, being shown as a proud, polygamist tyrant. He created musical entertainment praising his wealth, wives, vengance and mercilessness. His "sword song is thus: "My two beautiful wives, listen to me. I have killed a man for wounding me; And a young man for striking me; And if Cain is avengenged sevenfold (by God's decree), then Lamech seventy seven fold." This song is not unlike many rap tunes today. It boasts of women, power, wealth, and threats of violence against others. There is no fear of God or love of your fellow man shown in the song. It is characteristic of where Cain's generation had developed to.

Enoch was the seventh son from Adam was was described in direct contrast to Lamech from Cain. Enoch walked with God to the end that he was translated to heaven and did not taste death. He was an example of where Seth's line had developed into. Seven is the number of fullness often in the Bible. By the time we get to Noah's adult life, Noah and his immediate family are the only Godly people recorded to be alive!

Things looked outwardly like all of the sinners were being obediant to God's original commandments to man. Man was to dominate the earth, to "be fruitful and multiply," and to rule over the animals. All the sinners were marrying multiple wives, having multiple children, building cities, and developing various arts and technologies. But their hearts were filled with wickedness. It is not enough to be outwardly conformed to the basic mandates given to mankind. They did no"walk with God" as did Enoch and Noah specifically. That is what the problem was in Gen 6:5. "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

Man's heart was the problem. Not demons or aliens or whatever sci-fi ideas people have imposed upon the story. It is clear what the sin was: man had a wicked heart all the time. That's it.

Dont be foolish...are you blind man??? can you not see what you have done???? You have taken to different men and bonded them together....

The lamech in chp 4 is not the lamech in chp 5

The enoch in chp 4 is not the enoch in chp 5

And so on

stop mixing the children of satan with the adamic race....

Cains bloodline is not Adams bloodline ---Cain has is own and Adam has his own.... Cain is not in the generations of Adam because Adam is not his father Satan is....

Do you read man? Obviously not. You are so brash. I just feel the love...

I was clearly comparing and contrasting Adam's Enoch, not Cain's Enoch, with Cain's Lamech, not Adam's. Two Enoch's, two Lamechs. No kidding. I knew that already. You did not even read my post because you are so emotional and so sure that Voice and I are blind fools. Look at the moat in your eye first my friend.

I am not emotional, I have already talked with voice before so I know what he believes therefore there is no reason to get emotional I know what hes going to post before he post it in many cases.....

I didnt call you blind fools,,,I said dont be foolish... thats a big difference I dont know you well enough to call you a fool and voice is no fool....

I did read your post and this is what you said: In 4:19-26 we see Lamech, listed as the seventh son from Adam, being shown as a proud, polygamist tyrant.

This make no sense... You said in chp 4 we see lamech being the 7th son from Adam... 2 big problem here..

1 The Lamech from Adams line was not a proud polygamist tyrant, you have the wrong Lamech...

2 chp 4 is Cains bloodline not Adams , so when you say" In 4:19-26 we see Lamech, listed as the seventh son from Adam,"
you are clearly mistaking...

And can you explain this ?? because you wrote it ...

"we see Lamech, listed as the seventh son from Adam,"-- then you wrote-- "Enoch was the seventh son from Adam"

Yes I have read your post

My bad. I made a mistake in referring to Lamech as the seventh son from Adam without mentioning that he was also through Cain. Both the godly Enoch and the ungodly Lamech were the seventh sons from Adam that were mentioned. The godly Enoch was through Seth and the ungodly Lamech was through Cain. Fair enough? I thought that this ommission was self explanatory. Sorry.

I also want to point out that Gen 6:7 uses the word "Adam" which is translated as "man." God made no distictions of "races" anywhere in the Bible. Man/Adam had become corrupt. It was a generic word being used to broadly apply to the majority of people alive back at the time when God called Noah. Noah was not wicked like the rest of man whome God indited. If God wanted a racial distinction to be evident than the text would be so much more pointedly clear here.

Fair enough? I thought that this ommission was self explanatory. Sorry. It was a time when I thought pretty much all of genesis was self explanatory, then I started finding out what others believe....

Noah was not wicked because his family had not starting having sex with angels, the angels had tapped all adamic blood but Noahs family... Which leads us right back to my reply to Voice.... Can angels have sex with humans???

first we must understand what a angel is...

as far as the brash comment yes im kinda brash... But my post was not to call you stupid but just bring attention to your err, I hope you would do the same on my errs...

When Jesus explained that in the resurrection saints would be like angels and not get married (to have children).

For angels (bad ones?) to have sex they would need to posses the soul of a man, like a devil would posses a man.

Because as a spirit they could not...

If you were right then angels could not eat human food and human could not eat angel food, well I guess your not right the proof is above...

Angels have bodys there not midst clouds just floating around, God made angels in the image of him as He did us...

Ok, you are brash. AND you'r stupid!

I am totally kidding man!

Gen 6:5 declare why God sent the flood. It was because man was wicked and had evil intentions in his heart all the time. It said nothing about lineages, angels, demons, bloodlines, sex, Cain or aliens, DID IT????

Genesis 6:5 "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

It was evil going on twenty four hours a day. Jesus referred to this time, when He was asked how it would be just prior to His return, in Matthew 24:37. It is going to be just like it was in Noah's time, when our Lord returns. Because Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven, and walking the earth. If you are living in a fairy tale land, and thinking of angels as some ghostly figures, my friend you will be deceived, for both you and they are made in the same image.

I think your missing something here.... Yes they were wicked but why were they wicked????

Do you understand that the fallen angels were on the earth???? Do you understand that they were having sex with women??? You need to tackle this first... If you dont understand what happen in the garden it will be very hard to understand what was going on in Noahs day...

Paul's warning came in II Corinthians 11:3-4, where Paul warns women that Satan and his false ministers will come and seduce you again, as the "serpent wholly seduced [beguiled] Eve". Paul is telling the ladies that they had better get their head's covered, with the vail of truth which is Christ....

They were on earth, but in the supernatural realms... "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places..." Eph 6:12.

No, I do not understand that in that way. You apparently don't understand it either. What dores it say? Do not try to quote the new testament at me. It was written way later. Genesis explains itself. Nothing at all esoteric (do you know what this word means before you answer me?) about it.

What are you gonna try to say? SEX? A man obviously concocted this idea. Who was the serpent? The devil. Snakes are not attractive to women last I checked. If they did do it, she could not get pregnant anyhow. Duh.

Was the serpent a black man, a Jew, what? Was Eve "white?" Are you getting at that stuff? Are you part of the racist Christian identity movement or some similar blasphemous group of anti-semites?

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

As you can see the "serpent" is satan... He is even called old serpent so you will know it is the same as from genesis...

Satan does not have a race.....Eve was taken out of Adam therefore she is the same color as Adam.....
What color is Adam???? He is ruddy so Eve was ruddy.... No im not a racist I know what color Adam was and I know what color Jesus was, and its not my color....

Snakes are not attractive to women last I checked. If they did do it, she could not get pregnant anyhow. Duh.

Now this is stupid: Snakes are not attractive to women last I checked. If they did do it, she could not get pregnant anyhow. Duh.

Duh yourself buddy, you think that the serpent was a actual snake

Here it is again just in case you missed it ....

9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan...

So what now??? are you going to tell me Satan sheds his skin has a slit tongue and can be found under warm rocks when you camping....

Dude you got alot to learn in a short amount of time --better power up...

Duh! Our childishness makes me smile and laugh here.

Learn what?

Let me teach you something Mr. "watch out cuz the devil's gonna get you too." Genesis was originally written by Moses to the Jews leaving Egypt and going toward the promised land. Do you really think that any of them would think that the serpent in the garden was anything other than a snake? Is there anything in Genesis to lead one to believe that the serpent was not really a serpent? NO.

You quote Revelation, how can you use that to interpret Genesis? You have got it all backwards. "The dragon is the serpent." No kidding. He can't literally be both. It is figurative there in Revelation. The devil is not a dragon or dinosaur. He is a spiritual person, not a literal animal. He may appear as one. No, I don't think that satan is a snake. He can appear as whatever he wants to though.

The bible is a whole... Im not using Revelation to interpret Genesis, but it is a known fact to anyone with common sense, that the serpent is satan.... Revelation just proves it in two different places.... Yes you are correct the dradgon is the serpent...

when satan is lying and being sneaky we call him a serpent... If hes trying to make war he is called a dragon..... when he was good he was called Lucifer.... When he was in the garden he was the tree of knowledge....

Is there anything in Genesis to lead one to believe that the serpent was not really a serpent? NO.

No what the heck do you mean no ??? SNAKES DONT TALK!!

Oh yeah, you have a point. "Snakes don't talk." Never realized that they didn't before...


Only humans have the power of speech, and angels apparently. It must therefore be part of the idea of being a son of God, or elohim.

Satan was not a tree. God made all the trees. God planted the trees which were in the garden. God said that the trees were good. When he saw man with those trees God saw that this was "very good." Therefore God made the tree of knowlege with the intent to one day have Adam and Eve eat from it when it was the right time. This was the opportunity Satan took advantage of to tempt Eve.

Satan came in the form of a snake. Eve was a literal woman. The tree was a literal tree. The fruit was literally fruit. Apparently the devil assumed the form of a literal snake. The Bible does not describe more than the fact that Satan was a snake. The curse God placed upon the snake implied that he could apparently walk, jump or fly before the curse was pronounced. That is all that we are told. So apparently the snake's new curse of having to slither in the dust and to "eat dust" was a perpetual sign of Satan's low position to the true son of man (forshadowed by humanity in general) and his future fate in eternal judgment as opposed to a future hope for the devil. The devil would be have divinely enforced limitations on where he could go and what he could do. The serpent once at the fruit, now it was condemned to "eat dust."

People as trees:

Jesus
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.


Israelites
dg 9:7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood on the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
Jdg 9:8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive-tree, Reign thou over us.
Jdg 9:9 But the olive-tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honor God and man, and go to wave to and fro over the trees?
Jdg 9:10 And the trees said to the fig-tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:11 But the fig-tree said unto them, Should I leave my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to wave to and fro over the trees?
Jdg 9:12 And the trees said unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my new wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to wave to and fro over the trees?
Jdg 9:14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
Jdg 9:15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and take refuge in my shade; and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.
Jdg 9:16 Now therefore, if ye have dealt truly and uprightly, in that ye have made Abimelech king, and if ye have dealt well with Jerubbaal and his house, and have done unto him according to the deserving of his hands
Jdg 9:17 (for my father fought for you, and adventured his life, and delivered you out of the hand of Midian:
Jdg 9:18 and ye are risen up against my father's house this day, and have slain his sons, threescore and ten persons, upon one stone, and have made Abimelech, the son of his maid-servant, king over the men of Shechem, because he is your brother);
Jdg 9:19 if ye then have dealt truly and uprightly with Jerubbaal and with his house this day, then rejoice ye in Abimelech, and let him also rejoice in you:

Nebuchadnezzer as a Tree

Dan 4:20 The tree that thou sawest, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to all the earth;
Dan 4:21 whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was food for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the birds of the heavens had their habitation:
Dan 4:22 it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong; for thy greatness is grown, and reacheth unto heaven, and thy dominion to the end of the earth.


Jesus as a Cedar

Zec 11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.
Zec 11:2 Wail, O fir-tree, for the cedar is fallen, because the goodly ones are destroyed: wail, O ye oaks of Bashan, for the strong forest is come down.
Zec 11:3 A voice of the wailing of the shepherds! for their glory is destroyed: a voice of the roaring of young lions! for the pride of the Jordan is laid waste.
Zec 11:4 Thus said Jehovah my God: Feed the flock of slaughter;
Zec 11:5 whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty; and they that sell them say, Blessed be Jehovah, for I am rich; and their own shepherds pity them not.
Zec 11:6 For I will no more pity the inhabitants of the land, saith Jehovah; but, lo, I will deliver the men every one into his neighbor's hand, and into the hand of his king; and they shall smite the land, and out of their hand I will not deliver them.
Zec 11:7 So I fed the flock of slaughter, verily the poor of the flock. And I took unto me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock.
Zec 11:8 And I cut off the three shepherds in one month; for my soul was weary of them, and their soul also loathed me.
Zec 11:9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that which dieth, let it die; and that which is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let them that are left eat every one the flesh of another.

Israel
Isa 5:7 For the vineyard of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for justice, but, behold, oppression; for righteousness, but, behold, a cry.

Lucifer

Eze 31:3 Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a forest-like shade, and of high stature; and its top was among the thick boughs.
Eze 31:4 The waters nourished it, the deep made it to grow: the rivers thereof ran round about its plantation; and it sent out its channels unto all the trees of the field.
Eze 31:5 Therefore its stature was exalted above all the trees of the field; and its boughs were multiplied, and its branches became long by reason of many waters, when it shot them forth.
Eze 31:6 All the birds of the heavens made their nests in its boughs; and under its branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young; and under its shadow dwelt all great nations.
Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide it; the fir-trees were not like its boughs, and the plane-trees were not as its branches; nor was any tree in the garden of God like unto it in its beauty.
Eze 31:9 I made it fair by the multitude of its branches, so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied it.


The Two Witnesses

Rev 11:3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man desireth to hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth and devoureth their enemies; and if any man shall desire to hurt them, in this manner must he be killed.


Tree's, symbolic for powerful men, Jesus, the two witnesses, Lucifer, and Israel. 0_o The branches are either a.) Us (Christians), or b.) Satan's fallen angels, depending on the context and which verses we are looking at. 0_o

see notes in bold above

really beautiful post אליהו (Eliyahu) ... I enjoyed your analogies (especially the 'rap' one which really is what he did)


(The intelligent use of technology can be seen in Genesis. Since there were two Lamechs (common oversight) the first, a descendant of Cain, gave birth to Jubal, Jabal, and Tubal-Cain. Lamech also killed a man, the second recorded murder in Biblical history. Since Cain could not grow food or at least found it to be very difficult (and reminded him of his 'former' profession as a 'tiller of the soil')because of the curse on him, he did not teach his sons how to grow food, and his sons could not teach his grandchildren, etc. So Jubal, Jabal, and Tubal-Cain had to find other ways to earn a living through metalsmithing, herding cattle, and music. Metal tools and herding techniques no doubt helped the son of the second Lamech, Noah, to build the ark in preparation for the worldwide flood which God succinctly promised and fulfilled. So the ark helped save the human family. But keep in mind that the introduction of technology came on the cusp of the expansion of sin, and its ultimate use in that point in history was to save only eight people from global destruction.) The hebrew literally bears this out beautifully.

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no ... they don't even have sex with themselves, let alone Noah's family -
such nonsense and perversion of the hebrew text

You all lose the total context of what God is saying by overlooking the obvious.

the sons of God took them as wives....

How does spiritual marriage happen. It happens by God through the indwelling of His Holy Spirit then He is the bridegroom. It happened in the OT by the Holy Spirit coming upon someone. Then they became wives to the husbandman. Adultery and harlotry are spiritual concepts.

If you commit spiritual adultery, you have then another husband and God gives you a bill of divorcement. You serve this other husband in his cause and worship rocks and trees. Behind all these other spiritual concepts are demons and the devil himself. They imitate what God does so they take women, spiritual adulteresses, as wives.

They are spiritually bound and chained to satan. They choose him over God. They are harlots. At some point, after the engagement, these people become indwelt with demon spirits. That is the culmination of the marriage. They are taken...they are wives.

Typically their offspring will also stay in spiritual adultery because of what they are taught. In this case, they didn't have much chance. Adam kept his family seperate from those in Nod so they wouldn't really have much of an opportunity to get a divorce from satan and marry the True Husbandman, Jehovah...or the pre incarnate Jesus Christ.

This is spiritual talk. The concepts of marriage abound in the Scriptures. Hosea talks about, Jeremiah talks about it, Jesus talks about it. Marriage with a Spiritual Being, God or satan's and his evil hosts, is serving the one whom either Created you, or decieved Adam and Eve in the garden.

This spiritual concept of "other" marriage, only became possible when their eyes were opened...in other words, they could see things in different ways or possiblitities, influenced by satan, wheras before they could only see the True and Living God.

These beings do not marry people thru and incubus or succubus liason. They marry people by getting them to believe a lie and eventually, when they are given homage, the people become indwelt by the evil spirit, thus are marry in a spiritual union and are blinded.

I appreciate the thurough evidence you put up here but each case is clear in its context to be the symblic language of a parable or poetic language. Genesis 3 was not that kind of genre. Gen was quite clearly literally speaking of a tree as opposed to a woman, man or snake. There are plenty of examples of literal trees in the Bible as being mentioned as literal trees. Each "tree" mentioned has a context that clarifies what is meant by the use of the word.

I know this may ruin certain people's fanciful interpretations but lets be real here. If it says "tree" it can only mean "tree" unless it says it is a dream or if it obviously a parable or poetic story being told. It is very unwise to insist on something that is meant to be taken literally and make it symbolic of something else. Anything can be taught with that method.

what are you talking about voice

You asked me this --and where in the Bible does it ever say that any angel ever ate 'manna'?

heres your answer "He rained manna upon them for food and gave them heavenly bread. And they ate the food of the angels." Do you see??? the bible said manna is angels food so of course they ate it dont play dumb...

You dont know hebrew as well as the writers of the strongs, so get off your high horse dude...

I see you want to play word games and dodge questions ok....

Let me ask you again voice why did paul tell the woman to keep Christ over there head because of the angels, why would a woman have to protect herself from angels????????????????????????????

Hebrew does not added add power to your brain I see, this might be the dumbest comment to date...


I said---"So humans and angels are made in the image of God"-------- you said ........No, that's a gentile, pagan notion - corruption of the Word, angels are not created in God's image or they would be the same as men ... no ... in hebrew, a person who preaches this and mangles the hebrew Torah is called an 'apikorsus' or 'apikores'

So when God said lets make man in our image what is this word "our" reffering to???? by the way the word of God is simple so to much babel and confusion on your part reveals alot....

those with eyes to see --see it a little different....

When we look up the common word for "trees" in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary, we find the number # 6086. It reads; "ets, ates; from # 6095, stock tree, timber, wood." It is a common tree.

However the trees in the garden of Eden reads, # 6095. We read in the Strong's Hebrew dictionary; "Atsah, aw-tsaw, prime root, prop. to fasten (or make firm), i.e., to close (the eyes): shut." Under # 6095 Hebrew for trees in the garden) page 90 of Strong's Hebrew dictionary, the other reference to this is # 6096.

The # 6096; "Atseh, aw-tseh, from 6095; the spine, (as giving firmness to the body):-backbone." This # 6096 "atseh" is the tree referred to in Genesis 3:3. In referring to the fruit of a tree, then, you are talking about children.

Good post!

haetz asher b'toch hagan. The tree which (is) in the midst of the garden. What are you trying to read into this?

That wasn't a real "snake" at all.

Does he know?

Voice, I believe you have a wonderful command of the Hebrew and its meaning, moreso than Strong's. Why doesn't someone clean that thing up a little? I have found numerous mistakes and ommisions in it. Care to write a new concordance? How about a "Voice Translation?" I would read it.

lets not play cheerleaders here.... Voice knows his hebrew there know doubt about that but moreso then the strongs come on now.... If Voice made a concordance we would find mistakes in his also.... Humans are not perfect....

If you read from a king james bible there are mess ups in that also... But for those with ears to hear God reveals his word into there minds....

And there are 2 trees in the garden regular trees apples oranges and so on but there is another type of tree...

The tree of life= Christ, and the tree of knowledge= satan, and other tress= us

Says you and not Genesis.