If the United States is not specifically referred to in Bible prophecy as some suggest (not necessarily me), what are the options for its future? The present superpower status of the United States could certainly fade quite fast under the right circumstances, since it has been little more than a century that America has been a powerful presence on the world stage. However, if you believe, as most pre-tribbers do, that the signs are ripe for the soon return of Jesus, then the question of America's fate in the near future is a relevant one. Choose one of the poll options or offer your 2 cents if you have other ideas.

God's Blessings!!

Rob

Who says that America is not mentioned in prophecy (how many proper names are)?

I believe Mystery Babylon is New York City. There are references to the young lions in Ezekiel 38, which I believe are the offspring of England: US, Canada, and Aust.

Also, I believe that Daniel 11 includes references to the US:

Dan 11:18 After this shall he (Hitler) turn his face unto the isles (British), and shall take many (countries- Poland, France, Belgium, Holland, etc.): but a prince for his own behalf (USA) shall cause the reproach offered by him (Hitler) to cease; without his own reproach he (USA) shall cause it to turn upon him (Hitler).
19 Then he (Hitler) shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land (Germany): but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found (Hitler's remains were never recovered).
20 Then shall stand up in his estate (after him) a raiser of taxes (Lyndon Johnson in his Great Society) in the glory of the kingdom (USA): but within few days (years) he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle (he declines to run for a second term).
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person (Kissinger under Nixon), to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom (Kissinger cannot become President because he is foriegn born): but he shall come in peaceably (Kissinger was a master peace negotiator with his shuttle diplomacy), and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. 22 And with the arms of a flood shall they (Arab armies in Yom Kippur War) be overflown from before him (Israel), and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant (Egypt). 23 And after the league made with him (Henry Kissinger and the Camp David Peace Accord) he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people (oil barons like the Rockefellers). 24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province (oil rich Arab nations); and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them (Third World countries) the prey, and spoil and riches (loans via reinvested oil money): yea, and he shall forecast his devices (bombs and missiles) against the strong holds (Libya), even for a time. 25 And he (Bush) shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south (Saddam) with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they (Coalition) shall forecast devices (bombs and missiles) against him. 26 Yea, they (Coalition) that feed of the portion of his meat (Iraq’s oil) shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow (Coalition forces bypass Iraq’s army in an end-run battle): and many (Saddam’s forces) shall fall down slain. 27 And both these kings' (Bush/Saddam) hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table (Cease Fire Agreement); but it shall not prosper (Desert Storm II): for yet the end shall be at the time appointed. 28 Then shall he (Bush) return into his land (USA) with great riches (of war materials and confiscated loot); and his (Bush’s) heart shall be against the holy covenant (Camp David Peace Accord); and he shall do exploits (Bush turns his attention to Israel which eventually results in the Oslo Agreement requiring Israel to give up lands acquired in the Yom Kippur War), and return to his own land.
Dan 11:29 At the time appointed (half way through Danel's 70th Week) he (US/ Coalition) shall return, and come toward the south (Mideast); but it shall not be as the former (Desert Storm), or as the latter (Armageddon).
30 For the ships of Chittim (Israel) shall come against him (Arab nation which attacked Israel): therefore he (US/ Coalition)shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant (Peace Treaty): so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence (communications)with them that forsake the holy covenant (Arabs).
31 And arms shall stand on his (Antichrist: commander of US/ Coalition forces) part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength (underground Jewish Holy of Holies), and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (computer) that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant (Arabs) shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
33 And they that understand (the prophecies) among the people (Jews)) shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries (intrigue).
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
36 And the king (Antichrist) shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers (Jewish), nor the desire of women (old or homosexual), nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
40 And at the time of the end (some time afterwards) shall the king of the south (Arabs) push at him: and the king of the north (See Ezek 38. Russian Confederacy) shall come against him (Antichrist forces flee to Europe) like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he (Russian Confederacy) shall enter into the countries (Mideast), and shall overflow and pass over.

O

Hi EOTWAWKI1961 / Rob,
I hope you don't mind 5 cents:

The U.S. is the predominant nation in the 11th chapter of Daniel. It is refered to as the "king of the south"*, as Russia is the "king of the north", and the two geographies are with respect with each other. (The verse 9, Cuban Missile Crisis is an interesting citation.)

* Please note that verse 5 starts out with the U.K. as that entity, but the U.S. ends up with that mantle, just as the post WWII circumstances played out.

Secondly, the 7th chapter Lion/Eagle parallels this same U.K./U.S. role, and the Bear is Russia. The three-ribs represent the three illegal conquests since WWII, and are: Hungary, 1956; Berlin Wall, 1961; and Czechoslovakia, 1968. -- Please note that these are the only instances were the Russians violated international sovereignty.

Thirdly, this U.S. is present in the three-superpower alignment (Rev. 13), and as one of the 10 toes, -- U.N. Permanent Membership.

And finally, this major player is cited in the 19th book of the bible (prophetic for the Jews for the 1900s), in the 45th chapter (i.e., 19-45 = 1945). In this, please observe the "let your right hand teach you dread deeds". This was fulfilled in the "Manhattan Project" wherein the greatest scientists were gathered to harness the destructive power of the atom. The "deeds", plural, were Little Boy - Hiroshima, 8/3/45; and Fat Man - Nagasaki, 8/9/45.


So, Rob, did you want to add one more selection to your poll, so I can vote?

With Best Regards,
DaDad

PS Orates, you and I both know that you can't get from 11:1 your "fulfillments", and thus none are correctly assigned. But if one did progress through the full sequence, one would end up as I have attempted to depict.

I've added another choice...so you can vote.

God's Blessings!!

Rob

Thank you for now I was able to cast my vote.

Hi Rob & Whirlwind,
Both Whirlwind and I conspired to cast our votes together. LOL
DD

Hi Rob,

I was able to cast my vote. Thanks.

Gods Blessings,

Al

I believe the USA will fall from the inside. If a little of what I read is true our country has been ruled for awhile now by satanists. They are pushing hard for this NWO one world government. That's just IMHO from what I have read.

What future?

The USA, with the eagle as it's emblem reminds me of Rome, who's moral decay destroyed her.

I pray that the moral decay (the greatest producer of porn in the world for example) will stop, but to much
money involved (love of money is the root of all evil)....

May God bless America though. I sense it will take a few decades.
When the amercian dollar is devalued by the chinese, or Euro, or India.

The common currency will determine many things.

Power politics can only take you so far. The danger is when you have a war based economy and you don't go to war
what do you do?

I hope change comes on that level, not critisizing anyone, but look at Japan and Germany. No arms built up since WW2
and they have two of the greatest economies on earth, technology based economies to boost.

The scary thing is our own Government seems to be leading in the same direction.

I agree with alot, but I still don't think money is the root of all evil....There was no money when Lucifer fell, the first evil was pride, so is pride the root of all evil? nah Devil

Is that your final answer?

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil:

Ask God I just quote Him is all...

i dont believe those anwers and AMERICA is still now is a powerfull nation in the world and in the universe. no dought. 100% sure.

thank you
chinnam naidu

To that silly bird that holds the arrows in its left hand side — To the one who calls his enemies ‘friends’. –You whose sins are greater than unfaithful Judah! –The one whose sins are unpardonable as a nation, who can not nor will go back to its former state. -How pleased was the Lord with your forefathers, your founding fathers! –They knew exactly what was expected of them as a nation, but NOW how senseless you have become. How will you escape your enemies, who now you call ‘friends’, the very ones who now you betray before the Most High.

-Do you not know, your friendship with God’s enemies makes you a traitor and an enemy, (and HE will indeed fight against you). You have become as useless as King Saul was! –Remember how God had to use an old man to take Saul’s sword away and hack this enemy to death, Yet Saul had him as ‘friend’. This ruler was completely useless to God for carrying out his purpose at that time.

The very arrows on your left hand side will be taken away and given to your enemies, yes to those very ones you now call ‘friends’, who in turn will devour your flesh. when that holocaust comes to your shores, who will you call out for help?
—Just as a loving father punishes his unruly son, so will the Most High punish his unruly Heifer, the one who was meant to thrash the nations (the enemies of God), but now how soon will you be thrashed!

And to Judah,
Remember the last time you were an independent nation, in the time of Jonathan/Simon and at your pre-birth when their father fought the enemy forces and was not willing to live under that degenerate Greek law rule but rebelled, –how pleased God found his zealousness, and his sons! But now, how you failed in your zeal for God. During this last independence of yours —You had to prove yourself, your zeal, your dedication (in the Torah), –yet you are failing as a nation! – Soon you will live under another law, that degenerate law called Shariah!. —To those false Jews who are claiming ownership of your land, of God, and of your inheritance.

When you become as corrupted as your bigger sister, you will cease being an independent nation once again. The little help received so far will be taken away once again, and your home will be left abandoned to you once more.

To the one who is bulling her little sister, who will be at your side at your down fall? will you cry out to your elder brother, the one who keeps chanting: ‘May GOD save the Queen’? he will be as useless to you as a walking stick used as a rope!

For the Love of Zion and her establishment!