The following is very exciting news.
I have studied the Great White Buffalo Prophecy, of the last leg, representing the
`end times` of our Christian faith. Since 1995, I have compared the Hopi prophecies
to the white buffalo relationship to the symbolic understanding of Israel's red heifer
sacrifice.

And indeed, just as the 12 Tribes of Israel set up camp/banners to all four directions
and each of the Tribes were assigned geography stations, as you read the following
`Ojibwa` new evidence, of the connection to Amerindians from Israel . . . you also
will see why the former `titled` pagan prophecies of the Amerindians, are in reality an
extention of our Judeo-Christian roots . . . Thank God (IHVH) for DNA testing . . .

The points of the mannerism and the ritual cultural similarities, if you have knowledge
of the 12 Tribes of Israel, you will see the mirror/shadow between the 12 Tribes
of Israel and the following excerpt about the Ojibwa.

Then scroll down to see the authority testing behind the DNA, update: britam.org


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwa

The use of petroforms, petroglyphs, and pictographs was common throughout their traditional territories. Petroforms and medicine wheels were a way to teach the important concepts of four directions, astronomical observations about the seasons, and as a memorizing tool for certain stories and beliefs.

The Ojibwe people were divided into a number of odoodeman (clans; singular: odoodem) named primarily for animal totems (or doodem, as an Ojibwe person would say this word in English). The five original totems were Wawaazisii (Bullhead), Baswenaazhi (Echo-maker, i.e., Crane), Aan'aawenh (Pintail Duck), Nooke (Tender, i.e., Bear) and Moozwaanowe ("Little" Moose-tail). The Crane totem was the most vocal among the Ojibwa, and the Bear was the largest — so large, in fact, that it was sub-divided into body parts such as the head, the ribs and the feet.

The sweatlodge is still used during important ceremonies about the four directions and to pass along the oral history of the people. Teaching lodges are still common today to teach the next generations about the language and ancient ways of the past. These old ways, ideas, and teachings are still preserved today with these living ceremonies.

They also developed a form of pictorial writing used in religious rites of the Midewiwin and recorded on birch bark scrolls and possibly on rock. The sacred scrolls are complicated with a lot of historical, geometrical, and mathematical knowledge communicated through the many complex pictures



Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho,Yakima.

Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?



Brit-Am Now no. 1148
http://britam.org/now/1148Now.html


Contents:
1. Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
2. Encouragement
3. List of Brit-Am Secular Proofs: National Characteristics


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1. Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?


We have been asked several times whether or not the Amerindians had
Israelite Origins.
For some of our answers and discussion on the matter, see:

Amerindians
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesAmerindians.html

Our answer to the first question in that article more or less sums up
the Brit-Am approach, i.e.
(1. Question: Are the Amerindians from the Lost Tribes?
Answer: People of Hebraic descent from the Lost Tribes from different
regions and at various times reached the Americas before Colombus.
Nevertheless the overall impression is that the majority of
Amerindians were not of Israelite origin though some may well have been.
We also have stated that even though some of the Amerindians may have
been descended from Israel
on the whole they could not be considered Israelites since they did
not fulfill the Brit-Am Ephraimite Critieria:
http://www.britam.org/criteria.html


We still hold by these answers and they apply in all similar cases.
Nevertheless it is worth noting that new evidence may well strengthen
the Amerinidian case concerning at least a part of them.
In BAMAD no.29
#1. Amerindians-Middle East-Druze DNA Connection Proven?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians

We bring extracts that in summarized form may suggest the following
theory that seems to be in the process of formation:
In Ancient times mt(female-transmitted)DNA haplogroup X2 was widely
prevalent in the Middle East
and perhaps amongst the Ancient Israelites in the Galilee area.
A group whose members included those bearing mtDNA X2 went to North
America where the X2
experienced a minor change becoming X2a.
Their descendants are especially prominent amongst the Native
American/First Peoples; Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho,
Yakima.
Meanwhile in the Middle East most bearers of X2 disappeared through
Genetic Drift (died out,
had more males than females with the extra males marrying non-X2
females, or females from outside, etc)
with only the Druzes retaining the original large proportions of X2
in their population.
The Druze were able to do this since they are a small community,
isolated, not intermarrying with others,
and usually marrying only within their own village or extended family.
See:
http://www.britam.org/Questions/QuesAmerindians.html#any

More research on the similar characteristics of the Ojibwa and the prophecy of the `bear`
in Revelation about 3 tribes; Judah, Benjamin and Levi (1Kings 12:21, 2Chron 11:14).


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwa
Read about the Bear, sub-divided into body parts such as the head, the ribs and the feet.


Then read about Bear = Medo-Persian Empire


Read about the 2nd Beast is the Bear of Revelation:

And read how the interp matches the Ojibwa understanding of bear.


http://www.bibleinsight.com/beasts.html
In this case though the 3 ribs in the mouth of the bear would
represent the weaker house of Judah, which was composed of
3 tribes; Judah, Benjamin and Levi (1Kings 12:21, 2Chron 11:14).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwa
The Ojibwe people were divided into a number of odoodeman (clans; singular: odoodem) named primarily for animal totems (or doodem, as an Ojibwe person would say this word in English). The five original totems were Wawaazisii (Bullhead), Baswenaazhi (Echo-maker, i.e., Crane), Aan'aawenh (Pintail Duck), Nooke (Tender, i.e., Bear) and Moozwaanowe ("Little" Moose-tail). The Crane totem was the most vocal among the Ojibwa, and the Bear was the largest — so large, in fact, that it was sub-divided into body parts such as the head, the ribs and the feet.


Click here: 4 Beasts Vision - Daniel chapter 7
http://www.bibleinsight.com/beasts.html

The 4 beasts vision of Daniel chapter 7 are commonly explained as follows:

Lion = Babylonian Empire
Bear = Medo-Persian Empire
Leopard = Greek Empire
4th Beast = Roman Empire


2ND BEAST - BEAR

2) The nation of Israel after the division.

Again the two sides of the bear would represent the 'house of
Israel' and the 'house of Judah'.

In this case though the 3 ribs in the mouth of the bear would
represent the weaker house of Judah, which was composed of
3 tribes; Judah, Benjamin and Levi (1Kings 12:21, 2Chron 11:14).

This sounds like a type of national British-Israelism.

There are a number of websites out there desperately trying to prove what the false prophet Herbert Armstrong of the Worldwide Church of God propagated, namely, that the British and those in North America are the literal physical descendants of Israel. Thus, deadening any significance for national Israel today, and their restoration as a nation.

This is a Satanic deception aimed to offend the Jew from accepting the Messiah, and to divide Christians over this obvious heresy.

And indeed if that is the motive of the DNA testing of the Amerindian relationship
to Israel, I have no authority nor experience in that matter. You must . . . so I will review
the commentaries.

However, what happens if the DNA is correct about the Amerindian relationship to Israel ?

And did you see any similar traits between the Ojibwa and the 12 Tribes . . .

That was my point.

The pattern shadow aspect of the cultural relationship between the two parties.

The following is food for thought, not exact cultural applications.

However, it is interesting in the DNA studies . . . perspective.


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians


Some of the application assignment of animal names to the 12 Tribes of Israel :

http://www.akhlah.com/history_tradition/tribes_of_israel.php

Jacob later blesses Benjamin while on his deathbed, calling Benjamin "a vicious wolf, devouring the prey in the morning, and dividing the spoil at night" (Genesis 49:27).

Naphtali's blessing from his father called him "a running deer" (Genesis 49:21).

Dan Tribes emblem seal is a image of a serpent/snake.

Issachar Tribes emblem seal is a image of donkey/---.

Judah Tribes emblem seal is a image of a lion.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwa
The five original totems were Wawaazisii (Bullhead), Baswenaazhi (Echo-maker, i.e., Crane), Aan'aawenh (Pintail Duck), Nooke (Tender, i.e., Bear) and Moozwaanowe ("Little" Moose-tail). The Crane totem was the most vocal among the Ojibwa, and the Bear was the largest — so large, in fact, that it was sub-divided into body parts such as the head, the ribs and the feet.


http://www.akhlah.com/history_tradition/camp.html

Eastern
Tribes
• Judah
• Issachar
• Zebulun



Southern
Tribes
• Reuben
• Simeon
• Gad


Western
Tribes
• Ephraim
• Manasseh
• Benjamin


Northern
Tribes
• Dan
• Asher
• Naphtali



Above ^ is a diagram web link, to view the geography of the camp of the 12 Tribes.


And below is a link to Amerindian traditions to their geography applications :


( for demonstration purpose )
http://www.shannonthunderbird.com/medicine...l_teachings.htm
Four Directions Stones (stones 2-5): East (Teacher), South (Healer), West (Visionary), North (Warrior) (within these stones are the four colours of human; These stones sit at the four corners of the centre stone).


And indeed, the `warrior` tribes of the 12 Tribes of Israel include
Dan (meaning : a Judge) and Naphtali (meaning : Wrestling) = Northern Tribe ( warrior )

And Joseph and Levi (Priesthood) . . . are in the western section of the 12
Tribes of Israel, and indeed the western tribe represents `visionary`
attributes.

The Amerindian . . . connection continues . . .




http://www.torah-voice.org/bio%20of%20ben%20Yosef.htm

Maggid ben Yoseif / Jerusalem Torah Voice in Exile
Note: Y'shua (Jesus) stated that "if any man testify of himself, the Truth is not with him." For 25 years, in an attempt not to commit this sin of pride, I have refrained from relating much of this testimony or disseminating it by writing. However, the Spirit bears witness to now begin writing down my story. "You have a testimony and it has to be made known." As this unfolds in posts that will be added and indexed below, the reader may judge whether it testifies of ben Yoseif alone or whether it testifies to a Greater Message about a Greater Movement and a Great People -- at least the Torah calls the family of Joseph-M'nashe Gadol (Great).

Throughout this testimony, I will be interweaving links to relevant parts of the website. When completed, I hope that it will be possible to access the entire website from within this story.

The story -- my story -- begins with a petition to the Almighty:

Read story @

http://www.torah-voice.org/bio%20of%20ben%20Yosef.htm




http://www.torah-voice.org/glossary.htm

Note: Maggid ben Yoseif is asking for donations of used Torahs and Haftorah's for a Torah study at the Eastern Gate of the Sacred Four Corners. Native Apache and Indio-Chicano who he has come to know in sweat lodges and at other Apache community functions are eager to learn again of the "forgotten covenant" of the Lamanites.





For the time being, all other charitable donations toward his work are being redirected to Iglesia de Aztlan Native American Chicano-Indio Cultural Arts Center, which is the 501 c 3 under which the Membreno Apache of Southern Colorado are chartered.



Donations are being pooled to support the mountainous vision of the community of the Membreno Apache and Chicano-Indio who are being drawn spiritually back to Aztlan (the Homeland). See MbY's note below:



Checks or money orders can be made to:


Iglesia de Aztlan

P.O. Box 1141

Walsenburg, CO 81089-1141



To discuss some of the community's greater needs, you may contact:



James 'Tenrivers' Atencio

719 / 738-5724 or 719 989-0795





"As a son or daughter of European- assimilated Ephraim, you can make no greater contribution to show your love and support and encouragement for your brother, M'nashe. Here at the Eastern Gate of the sacred region today called "Four Corners," a band of about 60 families of Membreno Apache mixed with Indio-Chicano have been told to "prepare a place for elders when they arrive at the Eastern Gate."





It has started small with a sweat lodge, which Tenrivers was told "build it and story-tellers and elders will come." So in 1992, Iglesia de Aztlan (the assembling of the Homeland), was chartered as a Native American "church." Shortly after the lodge began meeting each Sunday in 2001, Tenrivers met his first "story-teller." Yours truly.





Their ancestors never surrendered and consequently never received reservation lands -- and the accompanying metote of "slavery." THESE are the guys who want to know Torah."

mby

If this is true, then the mormons will have a field day with this!!!

Caneman

Well, the mormons claimed that their leader heard this from an angel, when it was a comin claim the indains came dating faither back, this making to completelly easy for their leader to have hard it from the Indains in the area. The mormons would still not be right in their claims, and seeing as those Indains that claimed this haritage with Isreal was made know to many when our founding fathers set up this coverment, all it would be is stating what would be fact, and anding their lies to it, inorder to back up their teachings to make them seem like trueth.

As far as these groups being Indain, I am from one of those groups, out of Pa. My own father being and Indain cheafs son. I would say out right that even though there was many times in the word that those claiming that they are ture Isrealies, they had to back this up with prof. It wouldnt make them less, nor make those being turely Jewish not have a claim to Isreal. G-d will draw them back no matter what the would says. This doesnt mass up any claims at all. The trueth of it all will be known in the end. But If this be true, I would want to be the one that would be holding them back from going!

My family history, mom leaving dad when she found out about these things. Her side of the family not taking about my Indian dad. Not much likeing anyone that wasnt fully white. They didnt like it much that my mother wasnt their full blooded sister either, seemingly not treated the same. I dont like seeing these kinds of things pop up with those that claim to be part Jewish at all. It doesnt change their claim by either.

Some more research on your Tribal connection :

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/x/
Haplogroup X in North American

Haplogroup X Subclade Estimation Guide Haplogroup Regional Concentration HVR1 HVR2 Coding Region


X2a Native American/First Peoples (Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho, Yakima) X2+16213A X2+200G 08913, 12397, 14502



http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/r...8-05/1210357072
The X haplogroup FTdna Family group gives the Druze as X2b and the Native
American/First Peoples (Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho,
Yakima) as X2a.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwe
The Ojibwa, Anishinaabe, or Chippewa (also Ojibwe, Ojibway, Chippeway, Aanishanabe, or Anishinabek) is the largest group of Native Americans-First Nations north of Mexico, including Métis. They are the third largest in the United States, surpassed only by Cherokee and Navajo. They are equally divided between the United States and Canada. Because they were formerly located mainly around Sault Ste. Marie, at the outlet of Lake Superior, the French referred to them as Saulteurs. Ojibwa who subsequently moved to the prairie provinces of Canada have retained the name Saulteaux. The major component group of the Anishinaabe, in the U.S. they number over 100,000 living in an area stretching across the north from Michigan to Montana. Another 76,000, in 125 bands, live in Canada, stretching from western Québec to eastern British Columbia. They are known for their birch bark canoes, sacred birch bark scrolls, the use of cowrie shells, wild rice, copper points, and for the fact that they were the only Native Americans to come close to defeating the Dakota band of the Sioux. The Ojibwe Nation was the first to set the agenda for signing more detailed treaties with Canada's leaders before many settlers were allowed too far west. The Midewiwin Society is well respected as the keeper of detailed and complex scrolls of events, history, songs, maps, memories, stories, geometry, and mathematics.[1]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuu-chah-nulth
The Nuu-chah-nulth were among the first Pacific peoples north of California to come into contact with Europeans. Competition between Spain and the United Kingdom over control of Nootka Sound led to a bitter international dispute around 1790, which was settled with the Nootka Conventions of the 1790s, when Spain agreed to abandon its exclusive claims to the North Pacific coast. Negotiations to settle the dispute were handled under the hospitality of a powerful chief of the Mowachaht Nuu-chah-nulth of Nootka Sound, Maquinna.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sioux
The Sioux (pronounced /ˈsuː/) are a Native American and First Nations people. The term can refer to any ethnic group within the Great Sioux Nation or any of the nation's many dialects. The Sioux comprise three major divisions based on dialect and subculture:

Isanti ("Knife," originating from the name of a lake in present-day Minnesota): residing in the extreme east of the Dakotas, Minnesota, and northern Iowa, and are often referred to as the Santee or Dakota.
Ihanktowan-Ihanktowana ("Village-at-the-end" and "little village-at-the-end"): residing in the Minnesota River area, they are considered to be the middle Sioux, and are often referred to as the Yankton or Nakota.
Teton or Tetonwan (uncertain, perhaps "Dwellers on the Prairie"): the westernmost Sioux, known for their hunting and warrior culture, and are often referred to as the Lakota.
Today, the Sioux maintain many separate tribal governments scattered across several reservations, communities, and reserves in the Dakotas, Minnesota, Nebraska, and also in Manitoba and southern Saskatchewan in Canada.

What are your thoughts on this >

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/dann5.html
It is these (alphabets and written languages) that Fell and others have found engraved in rocks all over the North and South American continents, Europe, North Africa, and other places. That Europeans, Asians, and Africans had no contact with this land before Columbus is a fantasy, still held, unfortunately, by some diehard professionals who stick to their own pet theories and refuse to look at, or seriously consider, the facts.

TRIBE OF DAN AND THE NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS

DAN, ESAU, and “REDSKINS”

Gloria Stewart theorized that the Dene tribes (the name used for themselves by the Apache and other Athabaskans, i.e., Navajo) are derived from the Han tribe in China, thereby fitting in with traditional scholarship explaining the origin of many of the cultures in the western portion of America.(1)

Research has shown a Celtic element in Dene, presumably via the Italic-Celtic of the Tokharian B dialect of the northern Tarim Oases and the Sino-Tibetan border of Kan-su, or else via more recent incursions of Celtic culture across the Atlantic.(2)

Apache (Dene (Dine) —from “Dan” —meaning “people”) (also includes Navajo) comes from “apachu” (Ponchteca — Mayan name for “trading people”), which is a Zuni word for “enemy.” Apaches also called themselves T’inde or lnde (a.k.a. Dene). They were late comers to America from Asia, from the time of Ghengis Khan’s Mongol escapades (1233- 1300) up to the 1400’s and even later. They were excellent horsemen. The same area of China where the red-headed and white people are buried is a high plateau and mountainous area containing a people (today) who are the best horsemen in Asia and who spend much of their lives on horses. Is there a possibility these Apache and Navajo (Dene) peoples were influenced so much by Danites (who drifted eastward from their captivity in Assyria before turning and heading west) that they called themselves after that name?
Note the Alibamu Indians’ similarity to the Hebrew word, “Oholibamah,” meaning “tent-dweller.”
“Mandan” is a Siouan word. Mandans called themselves “Numakik,” meaning “people.”
There is some evidence that the Sioux red people were seeded by the Danites Ireland and Scandinavia. Many similarities exist, including their tall statures and their same sweat lodges. Ref: The Kensington Rune Stone

I am ojibwe and have studied my dna and where it came from and yes I believe we are desendents of Abraham. A group of ojibwe christian traditional natives went to Israel recently and began a drum song and some jewish scholars were walking by and heard them and came in and told them that they were singing a jewish song and told them what they were singing. Also a Jewish man wrote a book about Midewiwin Society ceremonies and commented on how close to Jewish ceremonies they were. I cannot remember the books name right now. I myself was at my cousins funeral when they sang a water song and the Lord was there sitting on his white Horse. It kinda blew me away but it was very beautiful. There is also a book that is called He walked the the Americas and it said that Jesus only went to the tribes in the east and would not go to the other tribes. He even said He had other folds He needed to go to.

Thank you lesliefain:

God delt with me in 1995 in this area . . . I have so dreamed of the day that proof would
surface. Now, it has . . .
Would you review my post #5, at this topic and tell me if you can see the similar traits
between the 12 Tribes and the Amerindians, that I point out ?

I appreciate your opinion. And if you ever find this water song, would you send it to me ?

I would love it sent to me as well!

Peacemaker/lesliefain :

You will see, that I take this topic very serious . . .


To view a video history of the water drum, go to this link, scroll down and click on the
'The Water Drum' (5:59) and with real player, you can view and listen to the history of the
water drum. Very interesting 6 minute video.

http://www.wisconsinstories.org/archives/o...ion=ojibwemusic
The Water Drum (5:59)
The water drum is known as the drum of drums. It was the first one given, and uses and represents elements of the natural world—plant and animal life, and water.


Sister lesliefain:
I am searching for the water drum song. And it is placed on my heart, to locate this song.
I see very clearly that the Oral tradition of the `water` song, is deeply rooted with Israel. And yes,
the Ojibwe have prophecy info, which I found on video listed below ( scroll down ).
I am using your story, Post #12, to write to Ojibwe resources to try to gain access to the written
lyrics to the funeral water song.

You sister, have the story that bridges the `Divine Truth` behind the Ojibwe Amerindian from Israel.
And the story you share, inspires me to search the funeral rites connection between the Tribes of Israel and the Ojibwe of North America.


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians



Also, help me search for this book you wrote about, `untitled` : subject `Midewiwin Society ceremonies and Jewish ceremonies similar`


Interesting, that you write the commentary : a book, `He walked the Americas` :

http://www.amazon.com/He-Walked-Americas-T...n/dp/0964499703
He Walked the Americas (Hardcover)
by L. Taylor Hansen (Author)


QUESTION:
CAN YOU GO MORE IN DETAIL ON THIS COMMENT :
I myself was at my cousins funeral when they sang a water song and the Lord was there sitting on his white Horse.


THE STORY FROM lesliefian:
Post#12
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=19211&st=6
QUOTE (lesliefain @ May 14 2008, 07:18 PM)
I am ojibwe and have studied my dna and where it came from and yes I believe we are desendents of Abraham. A group of ojibwe christian traditional natives went to Israel recently and began a drum song and some jewish scholars were walking by and heard them and came in and told them that they were singing a jewish song and told them what they were singing. Also a Jewish man wrote a book about Midewiwin Society ceremonies and commented on how close to Jewish ceremonies they were. I cannot remember the books name right now. I myself was at my cousins funeral when they sang a water song and the Lord was there sitting on his white Horse. It kinda blew me away but it was very beautiful. There is also a book that is called He walked the the Americas and it said that Jesus only went to the tribes in the east and would not go to the other tribes. He even said He had other folds He needed to go to.




Also all the following are free video's when you visit this link:
http://www.wisconsinstories.org/archives/o...n=ojibwehistory

Ojibwe History

Experience the Native-American oral tradition. Eddie Benton-Benai shares the legacy of his people, speaking of many prophecies, including one that led Ojibwe from the East Coast to Wisconsin and what they would find. 30 minutes
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View streaming video clips with RealPlayer.

Oral History (10:34)
Anishinnaabe oral history stands as time immemorial. It is the "felt truth of history." The key to Ojibwe history, says Eddie Benton-Benai, is knowing the Ojibwe language. Benton-Benai explains the importance of language in the Ojibwe education system. The Ojibwe must reclaim lost history and values that had been born of more than 50,000 years.

The Seven Prophesies (10:40)
The Ojibwe are part of the Algonquin spiritual federacy. This paradigm states that what is done in a lifetime has to reflect seven generations into the future. That is an anathema to the dominant society, Benton-Benai says, asserting that European-Americans and Ojibwe have been together for 500 years, but still don't understand what makes up the value system of the other.

The Great Migration (6:47)
A discussion of the interlinking of prophesies and actual movement of people—immigration from the East Coast to find "food that grows on water," wild rice, ending near Duluth, Minn.; settlement on Madeline Island, the spiritual center for the culture; and the coming of missionaries to the island that led to another migration, a fleeing, from the island.

Spiritual History/Future of Peace (6:16)
A concluding series of thoughts about Wisconsin's secret, sacred places and the spirits that inhabit this part of the world. Benton-Benai expounds on a final offer of sharing prophesies and promoting and preserving the future of humanity.









Here is the funeral cry history, explained :
http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/pdf/IrishFuneralCry.pdf




http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Arts/Story_telling.html

THE SONGS OF A NATION




"BUT THE SONGS OF THE NATION [WAR SONGS] are probably the last things which are committed to writing, for the very reason that they are remembered" From the Bard who knew songs with 2500 verses down through time to the minstrals who knew maybe a hundred verses to end up being sung by the women who were paid to come to funerals and cry. The Jewish and the Irish cultures still carry on this practice today. Essentially the women criers (who are paid for their services) are the last vestige of a tradition that keeps the memory of those original 2500 verse ballad alive.





http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Arts/Story_telling.html
Traditionally, memory-aiding symbols and pictures were inscribed on birch bark to preserve the stories and songs, because the Ojibwe had no written language.


Ojibwe Scrolls Come Full Circle


December 11, 2006 Star Tribune By Larry Oakes, Star Tribune


The sacred scrolls took a 275-year journey from a medicine lodge to a doctor then to his grandson in Kentucky -- who came to realize he was their guardian, not their owner.
TOWER, MINN. - For those who believe in spiritual forces, the story of the sacred scrolls of the Bois Forte Chippewa offers a wonderful affirmation. For those who believe we walk alone, the story offers an amazing coincidence. In September, members of the northern Minnesota tribe gathered at Spirit Island on Nett Lake for a ceremony. There, according to witnesses, a drumkeeper named Shane Drift recounted his recent dream that forgotten stories and songs of the tribe would somehow "come back to us."
About two weeks later, in early October, the phone rang at the new Bois Forte Heritage Center and Cultural Museum, next to Fortune Bay Casino.
The caller was Raymond Cloutier, a physician in Bowling Green, Ky. Cloutier said that hanging in glass cases on the walls of his study were 42 birch bark scrolls inscribed with symbols and pictures. Cloutier said the scrolls had come with a letter saying that some of the scrolls were more than 200 years old, and all originated "at Nett Lake on the Bois Forte Reservation."
The letter -- a report from a historical society that had sought interpretation from Ojibwe medicine men -- said the scrolls depicted ceremonial songs "concerning the most fundamental laws and needs of the [Ojibwe] people." Cloutier told the astounded museum curator, Bill Latady, that he had cherished the scrolls for decades, but he had come to believe they belonged with the tribe. Last week the band announced that the scrolls are back at Bois Forte, in a climate-controlled museum room, after untold decades away.
A group of elders has confirmed that they are long-lost records of the Bois Forte lodge of the Midewiwin, or Grand Medicine Society, a selective Ojibwe religious order that preserved its rites on birch bark and was driven underground for most of the 20th century, when Indian religions were outlawed by the U.S. government. "Spiritually, this is probably the most important thing that has ever happened [to the tribe]," said Rose Berens, the tribe's preservation officer. "I was awestruck."
The Bois Forte Reservation is largely in Koochiching County in far northern Minnesota. The band's elders decided the scrolls cannot be photographed, or even seen, by anyone who doesn't belong to the religious order, except for curator Latady. Berens says that even she has not seen them, and won't until she is initiated into the order next spring in a ceremony on the Red Lake reservation.

Mysterious journey

Cloutier said his grandfather, Dr. Herbert Burns, acquired the scrolls when he was superintendent of Ah-Gwah-Ching tuberculosis sanatorium near Walker, Minn., in the early 1900s. Bois Forte leaders speculate that poverty-stricken ancestors might have bartered them for treatment.
Cloutier isn't so sure. He said Burns was a "Renaissance man" with many interests and collections, including a trove of Indian artifacts, most of which eventually went to a museum in Walker. Cloutier suspects his grandfather bought the scrolls and the authentication letter accompanying them, probably from another non-Indian.
A few years after Burns died in 1949, the scrolls, packed in cardboard drums, went to Cloutier, then only about 12. The scrolls range from 9 by 3 inches to 6 by 2 feet, according to Latady. The drawings are on the brown side of the bark, some drawn with charcoal and others applied with red paint. Some images are carved, he said.
Out of respect to the band's wishes, neither Latady nor Cloutier would describe the drawings, but experts who have studied similar scrolls say they most often contain "mnemonic," or memory-aiding symbols, to recall songs among a people with no written language. "The coming of the gods is portrayed bestowing creation of men and other creatures upon the land and in the waters of the earth," says the Bois Forte scrolls' accompanying report, written in the 1930s by the Becker County Historical Society. "The heralds of these gods, half land and half water spirits, serve the gods as ambassadors. ... Another song relates how the gods give the Indians the privilege of for the first time eating meat."

From owner to guardian

Cloutier said that in the 1990s he became aware of a law requiring institutions that get federal funds to return sacred artifacts to Indian tribes. The law didn't apply to him, but he said a nagging idea grew in him: "The people the scrolls came from were not some dead Indians from a dead culture; they were still there, and they may have been suffering somewhat for having lost part of their culture. About the time I realized this, I stopped being an owner and became a guardian." He found the Bois Forte band's website, saw that a museum had opened in 2002, and decided to return the scrolls. His only stipulation was that the band retrieve them; he didn't want to risk shipping them.
A few days after hearing from Cloutier, Berens, spiritual adviser Vernon Adams and Bois Forte elders Myra Thompson and Phyllis Boshey drove to Kentucky, dined with Cloutier and his wife, Joyce, and left with their precious cargo. "Once I got over the damage to my greed, it made perfect sense to return these things," Cloutier said. "Unfortunately, most of the time, these things were taken from their owners in ways that probably wouldn't make us proud today."
Tribal Chairman Kevin Leecy wrote to Cloutier that his "thoughtfulness is deeply appreciated by everyone ... from the elders who listened to the songs and stories in their youth to their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, who will once again have that opportunity due to your generosity." Adams said he now wonders if the strange journey of the scrolls was fortunate. Similar scrolls were destroyed by missionaries and others during the century that the Midewiwin was outlawed. "To me, they took a path they were meant to take," Adams said. "They left, were preserved and now have come back. It's exciting to see. This is where our past meets the future."
About the Midewiwin
The Midewiwin, or Grand Medicine Society, practices the traditional religion of the Ojibwe Indians of northern Minnesota. The society seeks spiritual growth and bodily healing through prayers, songs and natural medicines. Elaborate creation stories and legends are memorized and handed down through generations by "mide" or shamans. Traditionally, memory-aiding symbols and pictures were inscribed on birch bark to preserve the stories and songs, because the Ojibwe had no written language. The society has a reputation for strict secrecy, no doubt reinforced when it was outlawed for almost 100 years and was driven underground. Many of the original birch bark scrolls were destroyed by missionaries who saw the Midewiwin as an obstacle to Christianizing the Ojibwe.



CROWNSEVENALPHABET COMMENTARY:
Many of the original birch bark scrolls were destroyed by missionaries who saw the Midewiwin as an obstacle to Christianizing the Ojibwe.

And I read this and thought, yes in 2008, the DNA concludes the link with the Ojibwe Amerindians
with Israel.
While we converted, we destroyed sacred records linking to Israel's Lost 10 Tribes.

Dear Father in Heaven, forgive them, they knew not what they were doing . . . Amen !

Research I completed :

POST #14
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=12#entry184894

Last night at the Florida Outpouring evenening service there was prayer, repentance, and forgiveness asked/given toward the "first nations" people and a move toward inclusiveness for them in the body of Christ... it was very moving, and there was a sense of Holy blessings from God from this... they believed that parts of our nation have curses against the land on it because of the atrocities against the first nations people... We really need these people to be restored within the church because they have gifts that the can minister to the church... very exciting.

Caneman

Wow . . . Caneman:

It takes a bunch to impress me.

However, this is the confirmation of the Lord. We must embrace our Amerindian Tribes,
to complete the healing of the brotherhood of Israel in North America.

Thank you . . . brother. The peace maker within you, is the Prince of Peace, Messiah Christ Jesus.

Eddie Benton-Benai is the one who did my cousins funeral. My sister is Midewiwin and goes to his teachings. There is controversy about Eddie because of the book he wrote. The elders were afraid because they had to hide their religion for so long and he has brought it out into the open. To hear the water song you have to attend lodge or a ceremony I am not sure about all of it I will have to ask my sister.
When they were singing the water song I saw the Lord spiritually sitting on His white Horse honoring the song and I think my cousin because he was a warrior for my people I feel my cousin believed in the Lord. It was powerful! I really felt the Lords presence there. The Lord has been seen at many other ceremonies a friend who is also christian calls him Joe White Horse (not in a unrespectful way) Many have nick names here that have to do with how they are; like "half pint" because he is short. But I am reluctant to say more because non natives tend to be judgmental of how my people are.
My uncle is dying and I have to go to the hospital shortly to see him so I have not looked at your links yet but I will when I can so I can answer or get answers to your questions. Please say a prayer for my uncle as he is unsaved and I am going to witness to him. He is unresponsive right now but I believe the Lord is able no matter what!

Yes, yes . . . your Uncle, being held in prayer, sister.

And yes, Joe is Joseph White Horse

The Tribe of Joseph, meaning ' Jehovah Has Added '.

p.s.
Sister, you will receive the sign of his conversion (salvation acceptance).

p.s.
Let me know, about your uncle. ( I sent you an off-post, also )


Eddie Benton-Benai is the one who did my cousins funeral. My sister is Midewiwin and goes to his teachings. There is controversy about Eddie because of the book he wrote. The elders were afraid because they had to hide their religion for so long and he has brought it out into the open. To hear the water song you have to attend lodge or a ceremony I am not sure about all of it I will have to ask my sister.

Sister:
I found the music producer on-line, to Eddie Benton-Benai's music.
And I wrote asking about the lyrics to the water song. I will let you know, my findings.

I must have these lyrics. It is hard to explain, to need. However, I listen to the voice
of the Holy Spirit. So no need to explain.


Also, I found some more research for other people who want to investigate Ojibwa, Sioux and other Tribes of the Lakota, etc . . . .


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/r...8-05/1210357072
The X haplogroup FTdna Family group gives the Druze as X2b and the Native
American/First Peoples (Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho,
Yakima) as X2a.


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians


http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5579/ojibwa.html
The Algonquian Language Family
The Ojibway (Ojibwa,Ojibwe) language is spoken in the southern portions of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Ontario, and northern areas of MN, MI and WI. It is part of a larger language group called the Algonquian Language Family. The four main parts of the Ojibway people are 1) The Northern Ojibway in central Canada, 2) the SE Ojibway in Ontario, northern Ohio, etc., 3) The Chippewa in MN, WI, and MI, 4) the Plains Ojibway in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and ND (see Ojibway Maps). http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/5579/migration.jpg

The Algonquian Language Family originally extended NE of a line from North Carolina to the Great Lakes excluding upstate NY and southern Ontario, and the Ohio Valley. Now it extends from the Maritime Provinces in Canada to Alberta, including Michigan and the western Great Lakes area, and scattered settlements in MT,KS,IA,OK and northern Mexico.

God looks at nations of people in a way we can't. We can research and research but the heart is hard to discern. We are all descended from Adam... The sons moved out and lost their way. Man kind became foolish in his heart worshipping all kinds of things. Even if you find the long and winding trail leading back to the original error..so what? It's going to tell you something you already know. What's that? We all descended from Adam. God has raised up many natives to jump skip the past. To point from the old way to the new. To wipe the slate clean and begin again.

Leslie, we get set in our ways and it's hard to change. Jesus is here now for the natives. He's speaking clearly in his word for ALL people, because in him we are one. Not divided by tribe or race or interpretation of the signs. This is a long and winding road indeed but he's come to make straight the path. You are special. Your people are special. God has sent messengers to them just like he did to Israel in captivity. This is between your people and God..You don't need the whites as intermediaries regardless of what they think.

I spent some time in the Native Americans way of understanding. It was a powerful trip into the supernatural..but it's not what God intended for us. He intended for us to rest in Christ's finished work on the cross. Then to pick up our own and follow him. This is the better way. Love and serve. No more striving for justification... for you are justified in Christ.

I know what captivity is like but God will reveal his purposes when he's ready.... then we will all understand. We can't speed him up and we can't find the answers by looking back or dissecting signs. We have to let it go and trust..and that has nothing to do with a three piece suit and a hair cut. It means understanding what the word says to ALL races, tribes and tongue...and the repeating it in a way your people can understand.

What happens if the D.N.A. is correct?

Gee, that's a tough question.

In that case, we will have to reject it, of course.

We will have to say science contradicts what we believe, therefore, we reject it.

Or, like the Neanderthal man and such, we can claim that if the D.N.A. tests are correct - then that it's a hoax.

Neal C.

lesliefain :

RE: Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?


The importance of the Christian Ojibwe, singing in Israel, confirming that Jewish scholars
knew this song, is huge.

I am very close, to getting info about the 'water song'.

I have two email contacts, looking very promising.

THE STORY FROM lesliefain:
Post#12
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=19211&st=6
QUOTE (lesliefain @ May 14 2008, 07:18 PM)
I am ojibwe and have studied my dna and where it came from and yes I believe we are desendents of Abraham. A group of ojibwe christian traditional natives went to Israel recently and began a drum song and some jewish scholars were walking by and heard them and came in and told them that they were singing a jewish song and told them what they were singing. Also a Jewish man wrote a book about Midewiwin Society ceremonies and commented on how close to Jewish ceremonies they were. I cannot remember the books name right now. I myself was at my cousins funeral when they sang a water song and the Lord was there sitting on his white Horse. It kinda blew me away but it was very beautiful. There is also a book that is called He walked the the Americas and it said that Jesus only went to the tribes in the east and would not go to the other tribes. He even said He had other folds He needed to go to.



QUOTE (lesliefain @ May 15 2008, 02:25 PM)
When they were singing the water song I saw the Lord spiritually sitting on His white Horse honoring the song and I think my cousin because he was a warrior for my people I feel my cousin believed in the Lord. It was powerful! I really felt the Lords presence there. The Lord has been seen at many other ceremonies a friend who is also christian calls him Joe White Horse (not in a unrespectful way) Many have nick names here that have to do with how they are; like "half pint" because he is short. But I am reluctant to say more because non natives tend to be judgmental of how my people are.


For new reader's of this topic :

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/r...8-05/1210357072
The X haplogroup FTdna Family group gives the Druze as X2b and the Native
American/First Peoples (Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho,
Yakima) as X2a.


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians

There isnt any need to reject Dna tests, even if they come out to show that they are one of the lost tribs. You compare Neanderthal man, that is put out to spread dought, there isnt any thing that this Dna test for those Amerindains that would change anything from fact to ficton. Not one things needs to be change. We just need to see that there are many more in this family than we first thought. But Just like Ismael wasnt looked at as the one to take the blessings of G-d to the next gernation, so are many others, It moves from one that is chosen by G-d to the Next chosen by G-d. I am one of those that might have this lenk, but just because I am, this doesnt change what G-d says, it just means that I am still one of his. No rejection here.

Thanks for this thread, it is another piece of evidence. I wondered how long it would be before DNA showed this to be true. Robert Morningsky thinks he is descended from the people of Sumer who came to North America. There is much evidence that people have come here from many places in the past 5000 years. Some of the Hopi prophecies are very close to the Word of God that He gave to Isaiah.

Hello my brother, Jack777 :

I have studied the Hopi Prophecy since 1995.

Specific to the `last leg` of the white buffalo, an end time term. Connected to the
pattern also of the Israel's red heifer.
Please seek some info to post from this R. Morningsky. I would appreciate it.

Yes, to the Word of God (IHVH) He gave Isaiah.

Post some of the Isaiah scriptures, also, would you ?

In 1995, I was given info on the red blood stone of the Pipestone quarries, of
Minnesota.
After the diagram of the map, I discovered that the Pipestone area was a
water path for five tribal Amerindians. This began the connection between the
Amerindians from Israel research for me. The beginning was a Divine Truth.
I have the original elementary sketched map, I drew. And indeed, the Pipestone,
MN is exactly as I had the `vision` to present on this paper I have saved. Plus
the message I wrote with the drawing.

Then in 2001, I visited Hopi village @Grand Canyon.

From my first examination of ceremony rattles of artist gourdes of the Hopi, I knew the encoded drawings I was viewing were of Hebrew origin.

Due to my beginning studies from a Divine dream, 1999, when my Protestant inabilities
to understand Hebrew took a turn toward understanding's through the Holy Spirit's
guidance.

Just in case you do not know, all this sounds very spiritual, except with a foundation
of career factual principles due to my investigative research background. My web link
is listed under crownsevenalphabet. So as I travel in the real world, I can appreciate
both right/left brain thinking.

--------- Let us, pray for the Amerindians to unite with the justice they are due
in a message about ' There is Recompense ', foundation is `hearing`, under the
Hebrew Eastern Tribe of Issachar. Amen ------------

The following is attributed to Robert Morningsky. The theology is not ours but it does demonstrate peoples thousands of years ago came to North America.

Parallels Between the Hopi and the Sumerian Cultures
by Robert Morningsky

The Hopi believe the Creator of Man is a woman. The Sumerians believed the Creator of Man was a woman.
The Hopi believe the Father Creator is KA. The Sumerians believed the Father Essence was KA.
The Hopi believe Taiowa, the Sun God, is the Creator of the Earth. The Sumerians believe TA.EA was the Creator.
The Hopi believe two brothers had guardianship of the Earth. The Sumerians believed two brothers had dominion over the Earth.
The Hopi believe Alo to be spiritual guides. The Sumerians believed AL.U to be beings of Heaven.
The Hopi believe Kachinas (Kat'sinas) are the spirits of nature and the messengers and teachers sent by the Great Spirit. The Sumerians believed KAT.SI.NA were righteous ones sent of God.
The Hopi believe Eototo is the Father of Katsinas. The Sumerians believed EA.TA was the Father of all beings.
The Hopi believe Chakwaina is the Chief of Warriors. The Sumerians believed TAK.AN.U was the Heavenly Destroyer.
The Hopi believe Nan-ga-Sohu is the Chasing Star Katsina. The Sumerians believed NIN.GIR.SU to be the Master of Starships.
The Hopi believe Akush to be the Dawn Katsina. The Sumerians believed AK.U to be Beings of light.
The Hopi believe Danik to be Guardians in the Clouds. The Sumerians believed DAK.AN to be Sky Warriors.
The Hopi believe Sotunangu is a Sky Katsina. The Sumerians believed TAK.AN.IKU were Sky Warriors.
The Hopi name for the Pleaides is ChooChookam. The Sumerians believed SHU. SHU.KHEM were the supreme Stars.
The Hopi believe Tapuat is the name of Earth. The Sumerians believed Tiamat was the name of Earth.
The Hopi call a snake Chu'a. The Sumerians called a snake SHU.
The Hopi word for "dead" is Mokee. The Sumerians used KI. MAH to mean "dead."
The Hopi use Omiq to mean above, up. The Sumerians used AM.IK to mean looking to Heaven.
The Hopi believe Tuawta is One Who Sees Magic. The Sumerians believed TUAT.U was One from the Other World.
The Hopi believe Pahana was the Lost Brother who would one day return to assist the Hopi and humankind. The Sumerians would recognize PA.HA.NA as an Ancestor from heaven who would return.

The Web source for this article is no longer active. It was originally attributed to Robert Morningsky.

In Ohio:

The SE tribes themselves claim loan words and sanctified traditions paralleling the Hebrews' from pre-1492 contact...including circumcision.

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/efw.html

I will read this Monday, before work. Thank you.

In Ohio:

The SE tribes themselves claim loan words and sanctified traditions paralleling the Hebrews' from pre-1492 contact...including circumcision.

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/efw.html


Jack777:

This is why, I have always understood the following scripture to embrace the Amerindians from
Israel. The foundation `seed` has always been there. Paul only needed to declare Him(IHVH).


TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you." (Acts 17:16-18, 22-23)

http://www.biblestudy.org/biblepic/picture...ostle-paul.html
Picture of Altar dedicated 'To The Unknown God'

The above altar is located on Palatine Hill, Rome, where once stood the palaces of the Caesars. It dates from about 100 B.C. and has the inscription, ´To the unknown God.´



http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/r...8-05/1210357072
The X haplogroup FTdna Family group gives the Druze as X2b and the Native
American/First Peoples (Ojibwa, Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Sioux, Na-Dene-Navaho,
Yakima) as X2a.


Native American/First Peoples; Ojibwa
Amerindians From Israel? New Evidence?
http://britam.org/DNA/BAMAD29.html#Amerindians

Click here: Seven fires prophecy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_fires

This is how close related the Ojbwa/Seven fires prophecy is a prophecy originally taught among the practitioners of Midewiwin and mirrors the bitter waters of Revelation scripture.

Just like Seven angels are then seen standing before God to whom were given seven
trumpets, the Midewiwin tell of the Seven fires, which includes the term bitter waters.

http://www.ccel.org/contrib/exec_outlines/rev/rev_08.htm
The third trumpet - A great burning star named Wormwood falls on a
third of the rivers and springs of water; a third of the waters
became wormwood (a bitter wood) and many men died from the bitter
water (10-11).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_fires

Seven fires
Originally, the prophecies were given by eight prophets in seven different time periods. According to oral tradition, all Algonquian nations located in the Wabanaki heard the first prophet. The remaining seven prophets appeared before and were recorded by the Anishinaabeg. A prophecy of each of these seven periods were then called a "fire". The teachings of the Seven fires prophecy also state that when the world has been befouled and the waters turned bitter by disrespect, human beings will have two options to chose from, materialism or spirituality. If they chose spirituality, they will survive, but if they chose materialism, it will be the end of it.







Seventh
This section requires expansion.

The Seventh Prophet that came to the people long ago was said to be different from the other prophets. This prophet was describes as "young and had a strange light in his eyes" and said:

“ In the time of the Seventh Fire New People will emerge. They will retrace their steps to find what was left by the trail. Their steps will take them to the Elders who they will ask to guide them on their journey. But many of the Elders will have fallen asleep. They will awaken to this new time with nothing to offer. Some of the Elders will be silent because no one will ask anything of them. The New People will have to be careful in how they approach the Elders. The task of the New People will not be easy.
If the New People will remain strong in their quest the Water Drum of the Midewiwin Lodge will again sound its voice. There will be a rebirth of the Anishinabe Nation and a rekindling of old flames. The Sacred Fire will again be lit.

It is this time that the light skinned race will be given a choice between two roads. If they choose the right road, then the Seventh Fire will light the Eighth and final Fire, an eternal fire of peace, love brotherhood and sisterhood. If the light skinned race makes the wrong choice of the roads, then the destruction which they brought with them in coming to this country will come back at them and cause much suffering and death to all the Earth's people.[1]
”


[] Eighth fire
The Eighth Fire is a term arising from the teachings of the Seven fires prophecy. The teaching suggests that if enough people—of all colors and faiths—turn from materialism and instead choose a path of respect, wisdom and spirituality, environmental and social catastrophe can be avoided, and an era of spiritual illumination will unfold.


lesliefain:

See why I must have the water song, lyrics :

The task of the New People will not be easy.
If the New People will remain strong in their quest the Water Drum of the Midewiwin Lodge will again sound its voice.

http://history-world.org/american_indians_...ative_ameri.htm
AMERICAN INDIANS or NATIVE AMERICANS

Various Authors

Edited By: R. A.Guisepi

The International History Project

The first people to inhabit the Americas are referred to as Indians. Their settlements ranged across the Western Hemisphere and were built on many of the sites where modern cities now rise. They hunted deer, buffalo, and other game and cultivated land where today crops are still grown. Their hunters, warriors, and traders used paths now followed by roads and railroads. Indian words dot the map of the United States . Twenty-seven states and large numbers of cities, towns, rivers, and lakes bear names from th