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immortality
god has been opening my eyes to so many things lately. although they are frightening realities indeed, i am truly grateful of this. one of these things is a phenomena called "gang stalking". it is essentially covert, sadistic psychological warfare. the ultimate purpose is to destroy a victim's life. this is carried about by various ways, as you will see if you do some minor research. here is a good video.

i feel that god has been showing me that the industrialized nations of the world (america, britain, canada, etc) are run by unimaginably sinister people with a surprising amount of power at their disposal. as a matter of fact, they are most likely affiliated with satanism and/or the occult. although these individuals are not the ones who personally carry out these crimes first hand, they are the ones behind this phenomena, no doubt about it.

i am personally a victim of gang stalking. this reality has been exposed to me only recently. i could write much on my personal testimony, but this is not the point. having realized this, it prompted me to look into the possibility of other christians being victims of the same crime. through my research, ive concluded that the main victims are indeed christians.

what i think god is trying to tell me is that there may very well be a subtle, covert persecution of christians happening today. i dont think its a mere coincidence that christians are the main victims of a crime being carried out by satanists.

this is a frightening reality indeed, and is something that i still have a difficult time accepting. it all seems so unreal. i don't know exactly what this implies from a prophetical standpoint, but surely this is another sign that we are living in the very last days.

here is a great website i found run by a christian brother who is a victim of this crime.

just a little snippet from one of his articles:

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Take a closer look at how Jesus responded to this crime. His sense of justice was outraged, yet, he did not resort to giving the demons a “taste of their own medicine.” He did not abuse his power and authority by torturing the demons in turn, as a form of vigilante justice. In fact, Jesus never used torture, be it physical or psychological as a response to those who attacked him. He demonstrated and taught his disciples to “love their enemies, and to pray for those persecuting them.” - Matthew 5: 43,44. What can the Christian victims of gang-stalking learn from this? Like Jesus Christ, they never lower themselves by imitating the thinking or behavior of their abusers. Retaliation is never justified for it would make the Christian victim, in turn, imitators of the demonic spirit behind gang-stalking. And, in practical terms, it protects the victim from being lured into self-destructive behavior, a key motive behind gang-stalking.

I consider myself a Christian. Therefore, in view of the foregoing, I am determined not to imitate behavior that is clearly in violation of Bible principles. I would not victimize others in this way if asked to do so by any human authority. Also, as a victim of such behavior, I find adopting the thinking or behavior of my persecutors in any way utterly repugnant. Even in small things, I constantly monitor my thinking to check any tendencies in this regard.

In closing, I again ask; Are you a Christian? If your claim to be such is genuine, you will reflect the thinking of Jesus Christ in how you treat your fellowman.
damo7
what you put in this topic reminds me of what i experianced when i first stepped into a church i never thought this could happen from with in i saw a lot off it in the communities i lived in as a non believer i even saw this with in the occult i had friends who were heavly involved in the occult its hard to get into the group i found my self involved in but once you are accepted you need to be alert and always on top as some one is going to stomp on you or force you out off the group if you are not clued into what is happening around you

the women i new were used for one purpose and i saw this with in the strip clubs i found my self working in the criminals that ran the strip clubs had their own method and once they had something on you you were theirs you were like a puppet

this also happens from with in and if you are not popular you will not get no were i have read books on church abuse i have talked to people who were abused from with in i have even seen pastors abuse their powers if you are a weak christian you are an easy target what puzzled me people never used their brain that god has given them its as if people are so trusting


i am in a good church our church also has a good healing ministry we seem to attract people that have been hurt very bad yet we never turn any one away that comes to us


i have also seen this when it comes to on line forums


i am off croation back ground when we moved to australia i copped a fair bit off this in the catholic schools and when i was takken out of a catholic school to were i went to a public school the same thing happend just because i was some one from another country it gave the australians an excuse to pick on me it was never one person it was 9 people doing this until i decided it was time to stand up to the bullies and fight back even if it meant me facing the school principal i did not care

the guys that would gang up on me soon learnt that i was not the gulable cluts as they thought i was the way i did it was simple i grabbed the buliee and made an example out off him his mates soon learnt

just letting you know you are not alone thanks i saved the links you left and i will go over this tonight



god bless from damo
whirlwind
QUOTE (immortality @ May 5 2008, 04:34 AM) *
i am personally a victim of gang stalking. this reality has been exposed to me only recently. i could write much on my personal testimony, but this is not the point. having realized this, it prompted me to look into the possibility of other christians being victims of the same crime. through my research, ive concluded that the main victims are indeed christians.



Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Yes, his "main victims are indeed Christians" or, perhaps I should say....main intended targets are Christians. God protects us and gives us power over Satan and his band of merry demons....


Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.


Satan has the others in his camp already....he wants us! mad.gif


.......Whirlwind
blessedinva
Hi,
What is the purpose of gang stalking?

I thank God for His place of refuge in Christ- walking by faith in His promises that defeats all of the weapons of the evil one.
Jesus bore our curse, so in Him- there is deliverance from all of our enemies.

I encourage you to read this book and learn how to walk in faith for deliverance from this difficult trial. Romans 8:28 and how God uses evil for good in the life of the believer:
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=e-book


On a personal note, where I live- there is always TONS of noise at night. I was praying about it today...have to research more about this. I'll keep you in prayer.

There is a place of safety in spiritual Zion where the devil can not touch us: (in this life)

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=gods
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=secretplace



immortality
i really appreciate the comments guys.

QUOTE (blessedinva @ May 5 2008, 06:15 PM) *
What is the purpose of gang stalking?

"Gang stalking is a form of community mobbing and organized stalking combined. Just like you have workplace mobbing, and online mobbing, which are both fully recognized as legitimate, this is the community form.

Gang stalking is organized harassment at it's best. It's the targeting of an individual for revenge, jealousy, sport, or to keep them quiet, etc.

It's a psychological attack that can completely destroy a persons life, while leaving little or no evidence to incriminate the perpetrators."

primary targets are woman, minorities, dissidents, whistle blowers, etc"

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To Our Harassers

We are aware that many of you are carrying out these crimes
based on lies that we targets are pedophiles or other serious
criminals. That you operate from such motives is confirmed by
private investigator David Lawson's 12-year investigation, quotes
from which can be found here.

You should know that if you are one who is participating
in such activity for reasons of "criminal rehabilitation",
you have been lied to by the higher echelons of a group that
also uses extremely debilitating electronic mind/body weapons
on us, around the clock.

These upper echelons are using you to commit very serious
crimes against people who are innocent of any crime. You
should give this some careful thought, particularly if you
are religiously inclined. If not, you may still be setting
yourselves up for some major prison time for carrying out
the wishes of the covert criminal element who got you started
into this criminal activity.

And, please ask yourself this:

Do you really expect to escape death? Do you really expect
that choosing a career of torturing innocent people will have
no consequences for you in the next life?

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:jDNq4...lient=firefox-a


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Next, let's look at some of the typical OPERATIONS these groups carry out. Here, I have retained a number of quotes from the original book because I feel they state the situation as well or better than the new book:

* The first step, after a target has been selected, is to establish a personality profile "... which will involve an assessment of IQ, personality type, and history."

* "A target may also notice being photographed."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "The primary characteristic of cause stalking is that it is done by large groups of people. A target will always be followed, but he is unlikely to see the same stalkers very often." ...

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Many of these groups include hundreds of people."

* "Some authors refer to cause stalking as terrorist stalking. Groups do not just stalk individuals. They employ organized programs of harassment which include break-ins, property damage, assault and occasionally, even death. The children of a target are a favorite."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Firemen across the country, and even some police departments have a long history of supporting extremist groups. Fire trucks can sometimes be seen riding in extremist convoys, with their flashing lights turned on and their sirens screaming. They will also race to greet a convoy which is entering their town. The participation of firemen, city workers and utility company workers helps give group members an illusion of legitimacy and power."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "City employees can be used to harass a target in many ways including tearing up the road in front of a target's home. Employees of pest control businesses who have access to the keys for apartments and those who work for alarm and locksmith companies are also of interest."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Groups also attack targets of convenience. These people are selected because they are convenient targets, and not for any other reason. These include loners who tend to be more vulnerable to their harassment tactics than those with family and friends around them. Targets of convenience are used for practice."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "In order to establish bases of operation, they will enlist the assistance of neighbors. In many areas, they can do this by intimidation. Those who do not co-operate can be targetted, which includes harassment of their families and damage to their homes and vehicles.

"If they are dealing with individuals who do not know them, they can also appeal to their sense of patriotism and they can offer drugs, friendship, home repair, free taxi rides and what ever else they have to. In some cases they may even be able to get a key to the residence from a 'patriotic' landlord."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Surveillance is conducted 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When a target leaves his residence they will alert the group, either by cell phone or by business band radio. Other members, who are patrolling the perimeter to watch for police and other vehicles driving in the area, will race to the location to begin pursuit. In small towns, where business band radio is widely used, these activities are a local sport among a small group. Anyone with a scanner can join in. Some targets have reported hearing an announcement on their scanners as soon as they turn their lights on in the morning."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "In a typical apartment setting, they will attempt to lease, sublet, or otherwise have access to apartments above, below, and on both sides of the target. They will also "guard" the vehicles of a target in the parking lot."

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] If [the target] flushes a toilet, he may hear a car horn honk, the sound of a power tool or hammering, for example. There will also be a large number of people coming and going, and accompanying rowdiness and noise."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "A common ruse used by these groups is that they are a 'citizens group' which assists the police and they are 'just keeping track of' a certain individual, for whatever reason. The illusion is reinforced by the case files they carry which are complete with photos of the target and look like those used by police."

* "During a search [of the target's home or apartment] members who are on patrol anyway establish a perimeter around the residence to watch for police vehicles. In an apartment setting, entry will likely be gained through a member of the janitorial staff, pest control or alarm technician, since they have a right to enter. They may even be able to approach a landlord and gain his co-operation, after convincing him of their 'higher purpose'. He may also co-operate out of fear."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Others do not recognize that they are being harassed by an organized group. They just think that there are a lot of rude people in the world."

* "Interception of mail is standard practice." ... "Typically, targets notice that their mail is arriving late or they do not receive certain pieces of mail. They [targets] may overhear people at a nearby table in a restaurant talking about certain mail, and realize it is theirs, or someone may drive by [the target] waving their mail at them."

* "Interception of phone calls is also standard practice. This is done by telephone company employees who support the [stalking] group for ideological reasons or because they obtain some benefit." Eleanor White comment: I'd add to that one of the most likely reasons, because the phone technicians are told lies about targets.

* "An objective is to isolate the target from his family and friends. He can tell them about all the strange things happening around him, but they will not understand and perhaps will think he is crazy. Sometimes other members of the family will receive the same treatment."

* "When a target is driving, standard practice is to surround his vehicle and attempt to control his speed. He will not be followed in close proximity by the same vehicles for a long distance. They do frequent trade-offs. Vehicles line up behind the target to take their turn."

"In many parts of the country it is common to see groups of six to 30 or more vehicles driving around in convoys with their high beams on during the day. This is one of the ways a convoy can be identified."

* "Standard practice is to watch the target's vehicles and this subjects them to damage including slashed tires, scratched paint, stolen license plates, etc. Typically they would not cut the brake lines on vehicles or commit other similar acts of sabotage, but they would drain the oil or antifreeze over a period of time."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "A target will be followed on foot wherever he goes. Anyone can go to the same public places he goes, and they will attempt to get into any other restricted places he goes, including hospitals, places of employment, etc. It has been said that it is possible to go nearly anywhere if you have a clipboard in your hand and it is almost true. They also like to wear name badges on a lanyard, and some carry phony police badges."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Common harassment tactics used by those on foot include pen clicking, in which they repeatedly click a ball point pen, key rattling, and rattling change in their pockets while standing behind the target. Many tactics are tried and the result is observed. Those which evoke a response from the target are repeated. When a target sits anywhere in public, group members will attempt to sit behind him in order to create noise, by whatever means, including tapping their feet on the target's chair. The objective is to harass the target constantly."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Groups attempt to interfere with any business and personal relationships which the target has. Typically, this interference involves character assassination from some anonymous individual and is not usually taken seriously by those who know the target. It can be effective with people who don't know the target."

* "At work, the target will also experience character assassination. If he works in any position where he has to deal with the public, there will be a steady stream of customers who complain about him. If he is a real estate agent, he will have a steady stream of prospects who occupy his time but never make an offer."

Let me, Eleanor White, give you an example of how brutal and serious this "character assassination" can be.

One of our members, who prefers to remain anonymous, moved in with her husband and children to a house which, unkown to them, had been a methamphetamine lab. The chemicals used to brew meth apparently cause distinctive symptoms in the mouth. This family's dentist felt he was "helping law enforcement" by reporting them to local law enforcement as meth users. This was absolutely untrue, but the family didn't even know the report had been made and had no way to correct it. (In fact, in some places, dentists are REQUIRED to report suspected cases of meth use.)

Law enforcement in that area was apparently tied in to the citizen groups, and the family was harassed for many years. The husband died, apparently from exposure to these chemicals.

The lady, now a grandmother, steadfastly did detective work and eventually found out about her family's reputation, with some help from a policeman who was a personal friend, from a different jurisdiction. This policeman admitted off the record that "meth mouth" can result in people being submitted to citizen harassment groups for harassment.

Character assassination is complete, and has life-destroying consequences!

* "A common tactic use by groups is noise campaigns. Group members will drive by the target's residence or work place, honking their horns, squealing tires, and making whatever other noise they can."

"They will also make noise from whatever nearby properties they have access to. Typically, they will make noise when the target goes outside. Group members will also frequently knock on his door for whatever peculiar reasons they can dream up."

* "In an apartment setting, targets can expect to hear tapping on the walls in the middle of the night, hammering etc. from the upper and/or lower apartments, and possibly the apartments on both sides. They will continue to 'work' on these activities for as long as they can get away with them."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "... It is not uncommon, in an apartment setting, for a target to hear someone moving from room to room as he does, from the upper or lower apartment. [Eleanor White talking: This requires commercial through wall radar or more advanced technology in many cases.]

* "Often they occupy a nearby apartment, part time, when the owner is not there and he receives some benefit. A target may notice someone leaving a nearby apartment when he leaves his, and arrive when he arrives. In addition, he will often be accompanied in elevators by a steady stream of different individuals who go to the apartments being used by the group."

What about the future, then? Let me close this review with a chilling quote from David Lawson's first book, Terrorist Stalking in America, reporting what the author learned from some of the leaders:

"The leaders ... are starting to balk at exposing their members to arrest for activities which amount to little gain for the movement. they say that anyone who is a target should be killed, and not just harassed for years."

http://www.raven1.net/lawson.htm


so in conclusion, the people who carry out these things are usually unaware that they are criminals. in fact, they believe they are helping society and keeping these "criminals" in check. just like radical islamists in a sense, these organizations are using lost, deceived people to carry out sinister agendas.

i am afraid that my family is being targeted as well, to some degree or another. there have been many occurrences that have lead me to believe this. i pray to god all the time to protect them from this evil. i don't care what they do to me, i just want my family safe.

but you guys are all correct, i need to remind myself that god is on my side. he is for me, who can be against me? he knows what is going on, and whatever happens from here on out is part of his good will.
damo7





hay immorality

hang in their brother i know were you are at and it can be scarey at times when we know what is going on

my partner went threw this 2 months ago she is a filapino pastor when she told me she was threatend all i could do was pray from my side of the world i live in australia and work abroad i send what ever my partner needs i hate being sepperated from her immorality but god has shown me he is hearing our prayers

when my partner told me a man was wiling to pay two men to rape her and hurt her i was mad but she told me she is ok and said i need you staying in australia

i prayed for two days straight as pastors cop it the most immorailty they are in the public eye and its not easy being a pastor


i also went threw this my self when i gave my heart to the lord the drug dealers i new sent me threatening letters on letter i got in my mail box said if you talk to the police to were we start getting busted your life wil be over we have a man ready to end your life

i stood my ground and i did not let satan have his way these guys were scared as i new what they were up too and i new the police had a bounty on their heads what i did i just lifted everything up to the lord i said i do not want to do this my way lord i am finding it hard and i need your protecting angels around me it got to the point were i had to leave the town i was living in immorality


another friend of mine who is a pastor this happend to him before he took on the role he needed to face his past he was underprottection as the men who he new were involved in the maffia just before the final court hearing they kidnapped his daughter my friend got the whole church to pray and we prayed over him over his wife and over his kids we also prayed over his daughter asking god to not let no harm come towards her she was set free god responded she said to me and my pastor that no harm came towards her though she was scared for her life they did this to say we will hurt her if you peruse this he did not let this scare him he faced the guys he was tangled with in court he is now a free man as he was looking at serving a long time my friend is on fire for god and pastoring a big church


this only happens when we draw close to god soon as we draw close to god satan turns the heat up their are books written were men and women share off gods amazing prottection


satan has no power over us or over our familys the only time he has this power over us is when we let go off god and focus on what is going around us



god responds and he hears our prayers but we need to listen to that inner small voice and stay on the path he has us on no matter what satan and his army throw at us

when i pray i spend 2hrs in prayer depending if i have to work the next day the job i have now i work in the afteernoon i do 8 hr shifts so i can afford to spend the time i have in the morning on my own i pray over my partner i pray over my in laws i even pray over my house and over my animals i even pray over my car and when i use public transport i pray for safe travel



Hebrews 12 - 2

2 looking unto Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross despising shame and hath sat down at the right hand of the throne of god


3 for consider him that hath endured such gainsaying of sinners against himself that ye wax not weary fainting in your souls


these are the verses i was led to when i was praying for my partner and i was also led to psalm 91



the closser we draw to god the attacs will become stronger you need to stand your ground and not let this get to you

thank you for the imformation you have been leaving in this topic of your immorality i enjoy reading what you have left


hang in their immorality do not let satan get to you use what the lord has given you turn this around and claim the ground that has been lost you have god on your side


god bless from damo
whirlwind
QUOTE (immortality @ May 5 2008, 08:36 PM) *
i really appreciate the comments guys.


i am afraid that my family is being targeted as well, to some degree or another. there have been many occurrences that have lead me to believe this. i pray to god all the time to protect them from this evil. i don't care what they do to me, i just want my family safe.

but you guys are all correct, i need to remind myself that god is on my side. he is for me, who can be against me? he knows what is going on, and whatever happens from here on out is part of his good will.



I have never heard of this before Immortality......I just added my prayer to yours for the protection of you and your family. He will never leave you. wub.gif



.........Whirlwind
immortality
QUOTE (whirlwind @ May 6 2008, 08:21 AM) *
I have never heard of this before Immortality......I just added my prayer to yours for the protection of you and your family. He will never leave you. wub.gif



.........Whirlwind

thanks whirlwind. god has given me so much strength and courage, so i don't fear anything. i have actually come to find amusement in it, actually. it really is quite pathetic, and truly indicative of how fallen our society is.

i guess ill just post some more information for those who are interested.

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Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Lutheran minister before and throughout World War II in Hitler's Germany. He absolutely refused to allow any trappings of the Nazi state in or on his church, and refused to preach Nazi praises or doctrine from his pulpit. He managed to survive through most of the war, being hanged just one month before the end of the war. This man was a genuine CHRISTIAN, and would, if alive today, not be telling gang stalking and electronic harassment sufferers to stop bothering him, as has happened with all "Christian" organizations to which we have appealed for help.

http://www.raven1.net/heroes.htm


comment from a christian victim of gang stalking:

I am going to Stand firm in my belief that this is a spiritual war, I have felt this since I first realized what was happening. We are fighting something evil and we need the right tools for spiritual warfare. Praying in the name of Jesus Christ is the single most important thing we can do. I am including some prayer sites that tell how to cover yourself and loved ones in the Blood of Jesus.

I have never been more convinced that we are living in the end times that the Bible speaks of. Never in time has the world been so corrupt, Not many people Fear God anymore because they no longer believe, this is an infectious spread of rebellion . I don't want to ever find out that I was wrong by not obeying God, I am his creation I am here to honor and glorify him with all of my heart and soul. He is everything to me.This has become more evident through this whole ordeal and I am here to tell anyone who will listen, God is calling his people together.

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DESCRIPTION OF ACTIVITIES

The types of activities which take place are often subtle, and sometimes cannot be distinguished from normal everyday things that go wrong, but they typically occur much more frequently than they would normally. David Lawson points out in his book, Terrorist Stalking in America, that the victim is intentionally "sensitized" to the presence of the stalkers, so he or she will know that the occurences are orchestrated. This causes intense psychological strain due to the isolation and ridicule that results when the target tries to share these experiences with others. It is a psychological reign of terror intended to make a victim look crazy and intended to keep him or her in a constant state of anxiety and stress as to "what will happen next" (also known as "hyper-vigilance").

There was a 1944 movie called "Gaslight" about a husband trying to drive his wife crazy, from which the term "gaslighting" was derived. According to Slang City, "to gaslight someone is to drive them crazy by intentionally confusing them. It comes from the 1944 movie Gaslight, in which sweet heiress Ingrid Bergman marries creepy Charles Boyer, who hopes to get her inheritance by driving her insane. He convinces her she's seeing and hearing things that don't exist, including the gaslights (what they had before light bulbs) going on and off when he isn't home." The subtle techniques used to make the wife doubt her own sanity are similar to the techniques used by gang stalkers to unnerve a target. To see a summary by Eleanor White on the topic, click here.

For example, the perpetrators (who appear to frequently have access to their targets' homes) may sometimes come into the house while the target is out and move things around a little bit, or spread some dirt on the floor or on furniture, or move an item from the house to the car. But usually they won't cause enough damage to involve the Police. This shows that this activity is a psychological game of cat and mouse, and has little to do with any overt kind of damage that may be caused, such as burning someone's house down or stealing valuables.

In some cases, the target doesn't know s/he is being targeted. It just looks as though the world is full of very rude people, and everything s/he owns breaks constantly ("bad luck"). According to Lawson, the perpetrators don't need the target to know s/he is targeted in order to fill the need within themselves that they are in control.


16. How do the groups sensitize the target?

* Picture taking (32)
* Filming (32)
* Note taking (32)
* Having uniquely marked vehicles follow the target wherever he drives, without the frequent trade-offs which are normally used. (43)
* Having that same vehicle parked in front of his house at night. (43)

Back to Top 17. What other tactics are used?

Vehicle-related tactics:

* Numerous different vehicles hanging around a certain area. (48)
* Traveling in convoys with highbeams on. (31)
* Drivers in convoys waving at one another. (48)
* Attempting to intercept the target’s vehicle at intersections. (31)
* Trying to force the target’s vehicle off the road. (48)
* Vandalizing the target's vehicle, including: (32)
o Slashing tires
o Scratching paint
o Stealing license plates
o Draining the oil or antifreeze over a period of time in the hopes of destroying the engine.
o Removing and then returning items, putting items in the vehicles, or taking items from the residence and putting in the vehicle or vice versa.
o They do not usually cut brake lines or commit other acts of sabotage which would leave evidence. (45)

Face-to-face tactics:

* Following a target on foot wherever he goes. (32)
* Standing around a target while he is paying for a purchase in a store. (35)
* Swarming the target – i.e. totally surrounding a target so he cannot move. (33)
* Physically intimidating a target by standing very close. (33)
* Sitting near a target in a restaurant. (35)
* Glaring at the target . (48)
* When a target sits anywhere in public, group members will attempt to sit behind him in order to create noise, by whatever means, including tapping their feet on the target's chair. (32)
* Walking by a target and doing strange things to attract his attention, such as: (37)
o Blinking their eyes.
o Reading the time from an imaginary watch on their wrist.
o Making faces.

Noise Campaigns:

* Generating noise around the clock. (42)
* Interfering with sleep patterns (i.e. through excessive noise).(42) Trying to wake up the target at night as many times as they can.
* Noise campaigns include:
o People yelling and screaming outside the person’s residence. (33)
o Numerous different vehicles, squealing their tires, honking their horns and hanging around a certain area. (48)
* Apartment noise campaigns will include: (33)
o Tapping on the walls in the middle of the night
o Taps running
o Hammering
o Noises coming from the upper and/or lower apartments, and possibly the apartments on both sides
* Ideally, noises are timed to activities of the target, such as: (42)
o When a target goes outside. (33)
o When a target flushes the toilet. (37)
o When a target turns on a water faucet. (37)
o When a target walks near a window. (42)

Other tactics:

* Controlling the target’s time, including:(42)
o Speeding across town in a convoy of vehicles so group members can stand in line ahead of a target for the sole purpose of trying to keep him waiting as long as possible. (37/42)
o Blocking a target from leaving a parking space. (42)
o Controlling a target’s speed on a highway by surrounding him with slow moving vehicles. (42/45)
o Causing problems which force the target to solve them, like gluing his car doors shut. (45)
o Creating a puzzle for the target to solve. The target is invited to waste his time following bogus clues and leads. (45)
* Imposing a system of rewards and punishments on a target for: (42)
o Communicating and associating with other people.
o Laughing at or assaulting group members.
* Causing problems with telephone services (and other utilities). (48)
* Sometimes audio bugs are installed in the residence of a target.

http://www.gangstalking.ca/

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Organised stalking does exist. It is a reality, one that is hidden by the power structure that underlays it. This power structure being made up of government entities indirectly support this activity. The NSA, the pentagon, CIA. In the same way these groups are responsible for the UFO abduction phenomena, in there attempts to implant innocent people for research in IIC satellite system that interfaces implants with centralized technology. Of course implants/UFOs/secret experimentation is relegated to the ‘bizzare’ realm of quesi-entertainment, and this is simply done through media controls.

Weapons experimentation, PSYOPS, use gang stalking to control the victims, eliminate their credibility, and make way for a risk free playing feild that will end in the termination of the victim through induced suicide.

Of course these enterprises are used for revenge services, to take out people who have won large settlements from major corperations in courts. These targets become practice tools for direct non-lethal weapons, implantations, PSYOPS, pshychological warfare etc.

It just so happens that the target will, in my experience, have much of his or her communications controled. This is done in extreem cases, where the target;’s exposing of the crimes done to him or her will jepordize participants, who, are not directly related to the operations.

Actually this is protocol for most targets. Protection is what they are after.

Security of e-mails, blogs etc. will be compromnised.

I recommend looking into The Illuminati. I initially found it hard to believe much of the writing concerning this, but I am now beginning to see how some of it may be reality, though skeptical in the overall arguments the likes of Cisco Wheeler.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:j092R...lient=firefox-a


These people and their leaders are taking away every ones freedoms, and seek to control employment opportunities by infiltrating all work environments and then get into a position of authority to hire and fire. The goal is power, money, status, and getting rid of honest people like true Christians so that our young people will be easily corrupted with no role models with higher standards. The leaders want to become like God's and decide how and if a person will live, along with every other aspect of their life...even if one can get mechanics for their vehicles who aren't in on this destructive plot who willingly door a poor job on the vehicle, even not performing the services that are paid for...like rotating ones tires. Sabotage of a person's assets is not uncommon.Undesirable people, like people they feel are not healthy and productive, or not liked because they have higher values and respect others, are sought out as targets. Any one who is not in their criminal group and doesn't show any willingness to do this criminal behavior is an enemy.

It is very common that none of the people are under the influence of any convictions about "God", or what is right or wrong. The love of money and power to control and dominate other people is winning these members over. Some of the members are church going people.....so there is no one that they have not been able to corrupt. Its been said that sometimes people are told lies about the person so that this breeds hate and an excuse to stalk and harass the person.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:uZyYg...lient=firefox-a
blessedinva
Hi Immortality,
I was reading Psalm 37 last night and thought of you. You know- what is a giant for us - is not for the Lord? That means He is sovereign to deliver you out of this. Jesus bore this battle at the cross- and all things are under His feet. Does the Lord have the power to release you from this snare? Yes! And to end attacks? Yes! The gospel is the power of God unto salvation for all who believe.

Jesus disappeared through crowds. The Lord is able to blind people's eyes too.

Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: The snare is broken, and we are escaped.
Ps 124:7

Keep me from the snare which they have laid for me, And from the gins of the workers of iniquity.
Ps 141:9

You are in a place of complete weakness- but that is the perfect place to see a great miracle of the Lord's strength. He alone can save you- outside of your own efforts. Jesus bore this trial at the cross. He became a curse for you (Gal 2:20) so that in Him you are set free from this situation.

For he will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, And from the deadly pestilence. Ps 91:3

The Lord is utterly sovereign - including over evil. See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand (Dt.32:39).
I cannot stress enough how much faith reading this book will put into you to be equipped to trust, believe, and rest in the Lord to be your refuge- conquer your enemies (spiritual) and save you to the uttermost.

http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=sg8

DO NOT ACCEPT THIS SITUATION. You have been in it a while and maybe feel hopeless. However our Lord is a great and powerful savior. He led you here for a purpose- to encourage you and build up your faith to believe in Him alone for your deliverance and rescue out of this.

Read testimonies too- to encourage your faith - so you can look at God's power and not the curse around you.

House saved from a fire by the spoken word:
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?...housesaved-kock

The name of the Lord is a strong tower. The righteous run into it and they are saved.


What is the name of the Lord? How do you run into it? How to believe in your salvation until you see it with your eyes and not just by faith? The Word tells you this and so do the links I am sending you.

Also- pray for and forgive those doing this to you.

Remember - the Lord intentionally took the Israelites to the Red Sea- they were trapped- could not save themselves - so that HE could deliver them and show His power, His glory, His lovingkindness. You are trapped too- but now- I pray the Lord by His grace will lead you to walk by faith - you will then see His power and be rescued out of this.



ALL things work together for good for those who love the Lord and are called according to His purposes.

Justice
All may seem hopeless, but the Lord will SMITE thy enemies.

Do not think that the current small warning taps of the Lord's staff are big.
Be glad that the Lord gives you fair warning to tell the times, which are NOW.
For when the Lord's staff SMITES, you will surely know it.
signet
QUOTE (immortality @ May 6 2008, 03:10 PM) *
QUOTE (whirlwind @ May 6 2008, 08:21 AM) *
I have never heard of this before Immortality......I just added my prayer to yours for the protection of you and your family. He will never leave you. wub.gif



.........Whirlwind

thanks whirlwind. god has given me so much strength and courage, so i don't fear anything. i have actually come to find amusement in it, actually. it really is quite pathetic, and truly indicative of how fallen our society is.

i guess ill just post some more information for those who are interested.

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Pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Lutheran minister before and throughout World War II in Hitler's Germany. He absolutely refused to allow any trappings of the Nazi state in or on his church, and refused to preach Nazi praises or doctrine from his pulpit. He managed to survive through most of the war, being hanged just one month before the end of the war. This man was a genuine CHRISTIAN, and would, if alive today, not be telling gang stalking and electronic harassment sufferers to stop bothering him, as has happened with all "Christian" organizations to which we have appealed for help.

http://www.raven1.net/heroes.htm


comment from a christian victim of gang stalking:

I am going to Stand firm in my belief that this is a spiritual war, I have felt this since I first realized what was happening. We are fighting something evil and we need the right tools for spiritual warfare. Praying in the name of Jesus Christ is the single most important thing we can do. I am including some prayer sites that tell how to cover yourself and loved ones in the Blood of Jesus.

I have never been more convinced that we are living in the end times that the Bible speaks of. Never in time has the world been so corrupt, Not many people Fear God anymore because they no longer believe, this is an infectious spread of rebellion . I don't want to ever find out that I was wrong by not obeying God, I am his creation I am here to honor and glorify him with all of my heart and soul. He is everything to me.This has become more evident through this whole ordeal and I am here to tell anyone who will listen, God is calling his people together.

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DESCRIPTION OF ACTIVITIES

The types of activities which take place are often subtle, and sometimes cannot be distinguished from normal everyday things that go wrong, but they typically occur much more frequently than they would normally. David Lawson points out in his book, Terrorist Stalking in America, that the victim is intentionally "sensitized" to the presence of the stalkers, so he or she will know that the occurences are orchestrated. This causes intense psychological strain due to the isolation and ridicule that results when the target tries to share these experiences with others. It is a psychological reign of terror intended to make a victim look crazy and intended to keep him or her in a constant state of anxiety and stress as to "what will happen next" (also known as "hyper-vigilance").

There was a 1944 movie called "Gaslight" about a husband trying to drive his wife crazy, from which the term "gaslighting" was derived. According to Slang City, "to gaslight someone is to drive them crazy by intentionally confusing them. It comes from the 1944 movie Gaslight, in which sweet heiress Ingrid Bergman marries creepy Charles Boyer, who hopes to get her inheritance by driving her insane. He convinces her she's seeing and hearing things that don't exist, including the gaslights (what they had before light bulbs) going on and off when he isn't home." The subtle techniques used to make the wife doubt her own sanity are similar to the techniques used by gang stalkers to unnerve a target. To see a summary by Eleanor White on the topic, click here.

For example, the perpetrators (who appear to frequently have access to their targets' homes) may sometimes come into the house while the target is out and move things around a little bit, or spread some dirt on the floor or on furniture, or move an item from the house to the car. But usually they won't cause enough damage to involve the Police. This shows that this activity is a psychological game of cat and mouse, and has little to do with any overt kind of damage that may be caused, such as burning someone's house down or stealing valuables.

In some cases, the target doesn't know s/he is being targeted. It just looks as though the world is full of very rude people, and everything s/he owns breaks constantly ("bad luck"). According to Lawson, the perpetrators don't need the target to know s/he is targeted in order to fill the need within themselves that they are in control.


16. How do the groups sensitize the target?

* Picture taking (32)
* Filming (32)
* Note taking (32)
* Having uniquely marked vehicles follow the target wherever he drives, without the frequent trade-offs which are normally used. (43)
* Having that same vehicle parked in front of his house at night. (43)

Back to Top 17. What other tactics are used?

Vehicle-related tactics:

* Numerous different vehicles hanging around a certain area. (48)
* Traveling in convoys with highbeams on. (31)
* Drivers in convoys waving at one another. (48)
* Attempting to intercept the target’s vehicle at intersections. (31)
* Trying to force the target’s vehicle off the road. (48)
* Vandalizing the target's vehicle, including: (32)
o Slashing tires
o Scratching paint
o Stealing license plates
o Draining the oil or antifreeze over a period of time in the hopes of destroying the engine.
o Removing and then returning items, putting items in the vehicles, or taking items from the residence and putting in the vehicle or vice versa.
o They do not usually cut brake lines or commit other acts of sabotage which would leave evidence. (45)

Face-to-face tactics:

* Following a target on foot wherever he goes. (32)
* Standing around a target while he is paying for a purchase in a store. (35)
* Swarming the target – i.e. totally surrounding a target so he cannot move. (33)
* Physically intimidating a target by standing very close. (33)
* Sitting near a target in a restaurant. (35)
* Glaring at the target . (48)
* When a target sits anywhere in public, group members will attempt to sit behind him in order to create noise, by whatever means, including tapping their feet on the target's chair. (32)
* Walking by a target and doing strange things to attract his attention, such as: (37)
o Blinking their eyes.
o Reading the time from an imaginary watch on their wrist.
o Making faces.

Noise Campaigns:

* Generating noise around the clock. (42)
* Interfering with sleep patterns (i.e. through excessive noise).(42) Trying to wake up the target at night as many times as they can.
* Noise campaigns include:
o People yelling and screaming outside the person’s residence. (33)
o Numerous different vehicles, squealing their tires, honking their horns and hanging around a certain area. (48)
* Apartment noise campaigns will include: (33)
o Tapping on the walls in the middle of the night
o Taps running
o Hammering
o Noises coming from the upper and/or lower apartments, and possibly the apartments on both sides
* Ideally, noises are timed to activities of the target, such as: (42)
o When a target goes outside. (33)
o When a target flushes the toilet. (37)
o When a target turns on a water faucet. (37)
o When a target walks near a window. (42)

Other tactics:

* Controlling the target’s time, including:(42)
o Speeding across town in a convoy of vehicles so group members can stand in line ahead of a target for the sole purpose of trying to keep him waiting as long as possible. (37/42)
o Blocking a target from leaving a parking space. (42)
o Controlling a target’s speed on a highway by surrounding him with slow moving vehicles. (42/45)
o Causing problems which force the target to solve them, like gluing his car doors shut. (45)
o Creating a puzzle for the target to solve. The target is invited to waste his time following bogus clues and leads. (45)
* Imposing a system of rewards and punishments on a target for: (42)
o Communicating and associating with other people.
o Laughing at or assaulting group members.
* Causing problems with telephone services (and other utilities). (48)
* Sometimes audio bugs are installed in the residence of a target.

http://www.gangstalking.ca/

QUOTE
Organised stalking does exist. It is a reality, one that is hidden by the power structure that underlays it. This power structure being made up of government entities indirectly support this activity. The NSA, the pentagon, CIA. In the same way these groups are responsible for the UFO abduction phenomena, in there attempts to implant innocent people for research in IIC satellite system that interfaces implants with centralized technology. Of course implants/UFOs/secret experimentation is relegated to the ‘bizzare’ realm of quesi-entertainment, and this is simply done through media controls.

Weapons experimentation, PSYOPS, use gang stalking to control the victims, eliminate their credibility, and make way for a risk free playing feild that will end in the termination of the victim through induced suicide.

Of course these enterprises are used for revenge services, to take out people who have won large settlements from major corperations in courts. These targets become practice tools for direct non-lethal weapons, implantations, PSYOPS, pshychological warfare etc.

It just so happens that the target will, in my experience, have much of his or her communications controled. This is done in extreem cases, where the target;’s exposing of the crimes done to him or her will jepordize participants, who, are not directly related to the operations.

Actually this is protocol for most targets. Protection is what they are after.

Security of e-mails, blogs etc. will be compromnised.

I recommend looking into The Illuminati. I initially found it hard to believe much of the writing concerning this, but I am now beginning to see how some of it may be reality, though skeptical in the overall arguments the likes of Cisco Wheeler.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:j092R...lient=firefox-a


These people and their leaders are taking away every ones freedoms, and seek to control employment opportunities by infiltrating all work environments and then get into a position of authority to hire and fire. The goal is power, money, status, and getting rid of honest people like true Christians so that our young people will be easily corrupted with no role models with higher standards. The leaders want to become like God's and decide how and if a person will live, along with every other aspect of their life...even if one can get mechanics for their vehicles who aren't in on this destructive plot who willingly door a poor job on the vehicle, even not performing the services that are paid for...like rotating ones tires. Sabotage of a person's assets is not uncommon.Undesirable people, like people they feel are not healthy and productive, or not liked because they have higher values and respect others, are sought out as targets. Any one who is not in their criminal group and doesn't show any willingness to do this criminal behavior is an enemy.

It is very common that none of the people are under the influence of any convictions about "God", or what is right or wrong. The love of money and power to control and dominate other people is winning these members over. Some of the members are church going people.....so there is no one that they have not been able to corrupt. Its been said that sometimes people are told lies about the person so that this breeds hate and an excuse to stalk and harass the person.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:uZyYg...lient=firefox-a



thank you for your courage in posting this...you are correct and much has
been given to you.

i have experienced this as a child advocate some years ago...and what was
intended to cause a nervous and psychological breakdown actually led to a
spiritual breakthrough...yes, i lost a lot of stuff, family and friends...
but then i lost my life and gained Christ. amen.

i have been recovering even until this day...however, now i see the signs and
am aware an attack coming to me or others...prayer and standing in Christ
is the only way, and to quit playing church and be church for those that
need us to stand in the gap.

brother, i know of what you speak. God bless you for speaking forth...

signet

happy2Bfree
A friend told me about this and felt that he and I had been victims of this.

I know my computer has been hacked into and I think it is now. I came home the other day and I could not open windows....so I had to shut down my computer again as I have had to do that alot lately in order to get it to run normally. But when I went to shut it down....a box popped up that said this computer is currently in use by someone.

Not only that.....I have had dreams. And I think this is one way that you are attacked....hense why it is occultic.

And if this one person I know is truely involved.......I will cry more tears than I have in a long time.

I pray every day about this......and that the blindfolds will be removed and this person will truely see again.
damo7
QUOTE (happy2Bfree @ May 7 2008, 12:36 AM) *
A friend told me about this and felt that he and I had been victims of this.

I know my computer has been hacked into and I think it is now. I came home the other day and I could not open windows....so I had to shut down my computer again as I have had to do that alot lately in order to get it to run normally. But when I went to shut it down....a box popped up that said this computer is currently in use by someone.

Not only that.....I have had dreams. And I think this is one way that you are attacked....hense why it is occultic.

And if this one person I know is truely involved.......I will cry more tears than I have in a long time.

I pray every day about this......and that the blindfolds will be removed and this person will truely see again.




if your computer has been hacked into this person has control over your computer this also scares me to how people can do this the more i read the more it scares me i am only new to the inter net and this is my first computer i have ever owned

have you asked an expert who knows about computers to look into this for you i am sorry to hear this it must be frightening know that some one is sitting in their home controling what ever is sent to you


i hope his conscience pricks him



god bless from damo
Andrew Cross
It is really easy to hack someones pc, all you need is an IP address and you can completely enter into the pc and check it out. I know because a mate of mine disconnected his internet, because he got a tipoff from a friend he should delete all his pireted movies as the cops had scanned his pc through a trapdoor trojen.
Apparently they hire external experts to spend all day 5 days a week just infecting peoples computers and looking through their stuff, his mate knew because he was one.
They look for stuff like child porn and terrerist activities, however they do catalog simple stuff like pirated movies and software, so they can bust you down the track if they like.
It is frightening to think what the police are doing, nvm the "terrorists".
So i assume "gangs" could very easily do the same thing.
Windows XP & Vista have always been quoted to have shocking security.
I bet it's easy.
happy2Bfree
There is more to these attacks that some are experiencing than just your computer being hacked into.

Its also a spiritual thing.

Have a good day.

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immortality
thanks for the comments blessedinva, justice, signet and happy2bfree.

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Not only that.....I have had dreams. And I think this is one way that you are attacked....hense why it is occultic.
yes the same is with me. ive been having horrible dreams for quite some time. horrible, extremely sadistic nightmares. theres no doubt in my mind that it is psychic/occultic attack. ive been researching this area as well and found some astonishing things. for example, apparently satanists are mentally/spiritually attacked, to some extent or another, when christians pray. in the article, the satanist suggested that the attacks from these "xians" (that's they're way of saying "christian", they don't like using the word "christ"), can be retaliated by psychic, occultic attacks. nevertheless it really shows you that intercessory prayer does indeed work.

but in my case i think the cause of bad dreams may be from electronic harassment, in this case possibly what's called "microwave exposure". i found this from a website:

"Some of the symptoms of microwave exposure are:

Asthma, cataracts, headaches, memory loss, early Alzheimer's, bad dreams, depression, fatigue, concentration loss, appetite loss, heart and blood pressure problems, and cancer."


and to make myself seem more of a loony, i believe my next door neighbor is participating in this. this is another thing god has opened my eyes to only recently. i realize how this all makes me out to be a paranoid schizophrenic, and i wouldn't blame anyone who's reading this and thinks that, but i can assure it's not the case. in fact, these perpetrators' intention is to destroy the reputation of the victim, so they would be happy if i was labeled schizophrenic.

ill just post some more texts ive found from christian victims of gang stalking:

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"I do not want to leave out the other wonderful and supported sites noted here as well, this s just the first time I have visited a totally Christian perspective on what is happening to us. and 'gang stalking' is so right, exposure, as in all other covert perversions, seems to be the only thing that will get them.

I wish it would be forever gone, but like all the other evils, and as bad experiment points out on his site, it has been going on since Biblical times, in the demonic ways that is its source. it has always been here, we are just noticing it since it happened to us.

Look at those in history who were tortured for being themselves,and there must be something about us that attracts them,and we will find ourselves in good company,Martin Luther king,Bobby Kennedy,Abraham Lincoln,,John Kennedy,and Jesus,among others were killed just for living their own lives and truths and standing up for what they believe in.

If this happens to us, we will know that we have lived and died doing the right thing, and not a thousand daily deaths by cowering in the fear of what these freaks want to do to us, make us commit suicide...let us do the opposite, live the way God planned for us, whether they want us to or not, and let us expose them and what they do while we are up and at it."


"now i know why they want us in isolation, it means suicide. but i will never do that!!why?? because I have the best lawyer in the world , the number 1 boss of police, justice and he can help us any time ..whom ? my God in psalm 64:7,8 He said He will destroy all the stalkers and their plans. so, gang stalkers, we have many things in common, I hope we never lose this connection, i really thank you. bye"

QUOTE
"I am British. I am also an evangelical Christian, which faith does not imply in Europe the illiberal politics that the alleged voting habits of American evangelicals might mistakenly lead some American readers to expect.

Being targeted for electronic harassment myself, which takes a variety of
forms across the entire class of targeted individuals, has radicalized me no end. It has made me realise that there are far worse things happening nowadays than the problems that classical libertarians are still moaning about - things I moaned about for decades myself, before discovering more serious problems."


i personally don't hold to this belief, but due to the fact that the effects of this crime usually result in job loss, some christians are speculating that this is part of not accepting the mark of the beast. they cant "buy or sell".

hopefully by exposing this crime, it might help some christians identify if this is a reality in their own life. many people are not aware they are victims of this crime. this was probably the case for me for quite some time. who knows how long i was unaware that i was a victim of some heinous crime called "gang stalking". hopefully god will open your eyes like he has mine, if you are a victim or not.


happy2Bfree
Immortality....

Couple things I want you to know before I comment....

First....I had read something you posted, I think, in the Chemtrails thread about your reputation.... I just want you to know that with me...you have an excellent reputation. I enjoy reading your posts and I think alot of you. The other thing is.....I also go by the name Chloé. Happy2Bfree is just another sn of mine on the net and one that I like to use from time to time.

And I don't think your schizophrenic. My friend that I mentioned had said the same thing. That him and his wife were bombarded with dreams. Horrible, evil dreams.

I've had a few. Not scary dreams....but a few of mine have been sexual in nature and then there was this one that was like a Harry Potter dream. I mean I had this weird, drum beating music playing and it was like I was flying down in this vision. I could see the tops of the trees and this village down below. vibrant colors. In my mind...I can almost remember the music.

I'm wondering....I posted a dream on this forum awhile back under another sn of mine Collegegirl.... I wonder if that was not a warning dream from G-d. It was a flying dream. And I can still see the face of this man. I was very attracted to this one evil man....but then a part of me was afraid of him and my ex husband was trying to protect me in this dream. I won't go into it.....but it was just right before I started getting involved in forums on the net.

Anyway....I don't think your crazy. Everything you said is exactly what my friend has said. He has heard the knocking and banging on the walls around his house.

Thank you for posting this thread. I'm glad you were willing to let others know about it.

happy aka Chloé and Collegegirl
researcher
QUOTE
Next, let's look at some of the typical OPERATIONS these groups carry out. Here, I have retained a number of quotes from the original book because I feel they state the situation as well or better than the new book:

* The first step, after a target has been selected, is to establish a personality profile "... which will involve an assessment of IQ, personality type, and history."

* "A target may also notice being photographed."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "The primary characteristic of cause stalking is that it is done by large groups of people. A target will always be followed, but he is unlikely to see the same stalkers very often." ...

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Many of these groups include hundreds of people."

* "Some authors refer to cause stalking as terrorist stalking. Groups do not just stalk individuals. They employ organized programs of harassment which include break-ins, property damage, assault and occasionally, even death. The children of a target are a favorite."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Firemen across the country, and even some police departments have a long history of supporting extremist groups. Fire trucks can sometimes be seen riding in extremist convoys, with their flashing lights turned on and their sirens screaming. They will also race to greet a convoy which is entering their town. The participation of firemen, city workers and utility company workers helps give group members an illusion of legitimacy and power."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "City employees can be used to harass a target in many ways including tearing up the road in front of a target's home. Employees of pest control businesses who have access to the keys for apartments and those who work for alarm and locksmith companies are also of interest."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Groups also attack targets of convenience. These people are selected because they are convenient targets, and not for any other reason. These include loners who tend to be more vulnerable to their harassment tactics than those with family and friends around them. Targets of convenience are used for practice."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "In order to establish bases of operation, they will enlist the assistance of neighbors. In many areas, they can do this by intimidation. Those who do not co-operate can be targetted, which includes harassment of their families and damage to their homes and vehicles.

"If they are dealing with individuals who do not know them, they can also appeal to their sense of patriotism and they can offer drugs, friendship, home repair, free taxi rides and what ever else they have to. In some cases they may even be able to get a key to the residence from a 'patriotic' landlord."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Surveillance is conducted 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When a target leaves his residence they will alert the group, either by cell phone or by business band radio. Other members, who are patrolling the perimeter to watch for police and other vehicles driving in the area, will race to the location to begin pursuit. In small towns, where business band radio is widely used, these activities are a local sport among a small group. Anyone with a scanner can join in. Some targets have reported hearing an announcement on their scanners as soon as they turn their lights on in the morning."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "In a typical apartment setting, they will attempt to lease, sublet, or otherwise have access to apartments above, below, and on both sides of the target. They will also "guard" the vehicles of a target in the parking lot."

[From Terrorist Stalking in America] If [the target] flushes a toilet, he may hear a car horn honk, the sound of a power tool or hammering, for example. There will also be a large number of people coming and going, and accompanying rowdiness and noise."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "A common ruse used by these groups is that they are a 'citizens group' which assists the police and they are 'just keeping track of' a certain individual, for whatever reason. The illusion is reinforced by the case files they carry which are complete with photos of the target and look like those used by police."

* "During a search [of the target's home or apartment] members who are on patrol anyway establish a perimeter around the residence to watch for police vehicles. In an apartment setting, entry will likely be gained through a member of the janitorial staff, pest control or alarm technician, since they have a right to enter. They may even be able to approach a landlord and gain his co-operation, after convincing him of their 'higher purpose'. He may also co-operate out of fear."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Others do not recognize that they are being harassed by an organized group. They just think that there are a lot of rude people in the world."

* "Interception of mail is standard practice." ... "Typically, targets notice that their mail is arriving late or they do not receive certain pieces of mail. They [targets] may overhear people at a nearby table in a restaurant talking about certain mail, and realize it is theirs, or someone may drive by [the target] waving their mail at them."

* "Interception of phone calls is also standard practice. This is done by telephone company employees who support the [stalking] group for ideological reasons or because they obtain some benefit." Eleanor White comment: I'd add to that one of the most likely reasons, because the phone technicians are told lies about targets.

* "An objective is to isolate the target from his family and friends. He can tell them about all the strange things happening around him, but they will not understand and perhaps will think he is crazy. Sometimes other members of the family will receive the same treatment."

* "When a target is driving, standard practice is to surround his vehicle and attempt to control his speed. He will not be followed in close proximity by the same vehicles for a long distance. They do frequent trade-offs. Vehicles line up behind the target to take their turn."

"In many parts of the country it is common to see groups of six to 30 or more vehicles driving around in convoys with their high beams on during the day. This is one of the ways a convoy can be identified."

* "Standard practice is to watch the target's vehicles and this subjects them to damage including slashed tires, scratched paint, stolen license plates, etc. Typically they would not cut the brake lines on vehicles or commit other similar acts of sabotage, but they would drain the oil or antifreeze over a period of time."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "A target will be followed on foot wherever he goes. Anyone can go to the same public places he goes, and they will attempt to get into any other restricted places he goes, including hospitals, places of employment, etc. It has been said that it is possible to go nearly anywhere if you have a clipboard in your hand and it is almost true. They also like to wear name badges on a lanyard, and some carry phony police badges."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Common harassment tactics used by those on foot include pen clicking, in which they repeatedly click a ball point pen, key rattling, and rattling change in their pockets while standing behind the target. Many tactics are tried and the result is observed. Those which evoke a response from the target are repeated. When a target sits anywhere in public, group members will attempt to sit behind him in order to create noise, by whatever means, including tapping their feet on the target's chair. The objective is to harass the target constantly."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "Groups attempt to interfere with any business and personal relationships which the target has. Typically, this interference involves character assassination from some anonymous individual and is not usually taken seriously by those who know the target. It can be effective with people who don't know the target."

* "At work, the target will also experience character assassination. If he works in any position where he has to deal with the public, there will be a steady stream of customers who complain about him. If he is a real estate agent, he will have a steady stream of prospects who occupy his time but never make an offer."

Let me, Eleanor White, give you an example of how brutal and serious this "character assassination" can be.

One of our members, who prefers to remain anonymous, moved in with her husband and children to a house which, unkown to them, had been a methamphetamine lab. The chemicals used to brew meth apparently cause distinctive symptoms in the mouth. This family's dentist felt he was "helping law enforcement" by reporting them to local law enforcement as meth users. This was absolutely untrue, but the family didn't even know the report had been made and had no way to correct it. (In fact, in some places, dentists are REQUIRED to report suspected cases of meth use.)

Law enforcement in that area was apparently tied in to the citizen groups, and the family was harassed for many years. The husband died, apparently from exposure to these chemicals.

The lady, now a grandmother, steadfastly did detective work and eventually found out about her family's reputation, with some help from a policeman who was a personal friend, from a different jurisdiction. This policeman admitted off the record that "meth mouth" can result in people being submitted to citizen harassment groups for harassment.

Character assassination is complete, and has life-destroying consequences!

* "A common tactic use by groups is noise campaigns. Group members will drive by the target's residence or work place, honking their horns, squealing tires, and making whatever other noise they can."

"They will also make noise from whatever nearby properties they have access to. Typically, they will make noise when the target goes outside. Group members will also frequently knock on his door for whatever peculiar reasons they can dream up."

* "In an apartment setting, targets can expect to hear tapping on the walls in the middle of the night, hammering etc. from the upper and/or lower apartments, and possibly the apartments on both sides. They will continue to 'work' on these activities for as long as they can get away with them."

* [From Terrorist Stalking in America] "... It is not uncommon, in an apartment setting, for a target to hear someone moving from room to room as he does, from the upper or lower apartment. [Eleanor White talking: This requires commercial through wall radar or more advanced technology in many cases.]

* "Often they occupy a nearby apartment, part time, when the owner is not there and he receives some benefit. A target may notice someone leaving a nearby apartment when he leaves his, and arrive when he arrives. In addition, he will often be accompanied in elevators by a steady stream of different individuals who go to the apartments being used by the group."

What about the future, then? Let me close this review with a chilling quote from David Lawson's first book, Terrorist Stalking in America, reporting what the author learned from some of the leaders:

"The leaders ... are starting to balk at exposing their members to arrest for activities which amount to little gain for the movement. they say that anyone who is a target should be killed, and not just harassed for years."

http://www.raven1.net/lawson.htm


This sounds like how the Hell's Angel's operate. I got away from them when I was 19 and they did almost all of this to a T. I thought they were going to kill me. It's how they protected their drug empire. Fascinating someone has catalogued this. Good
damo7
hay immorality


sorry double post had to wipe it out go to the bottom one i had a bad hair day my washing machanine decided to play up the hose was loose and right now i am weighting for the carpet to dry up luckly i got back in time other wise the water would have went threw to the lounge room


god bless from damo

damo7
hay immorality


i dont know if this will help you but i jotted this down when i was praying over my partner


satan opposes the prayers of gods people more than anything else this is evident in the book of daniel

daniel was still a young man when he was taken captive by the babylonians in 605 B.C God allowed this captivity to be the means which Daniel was given a key position in the great empire of that day as joseph found favor in egypt while experiancing temporary set backs so daniel was used by god because of the gift given to him to interpret dreams. this gift was later used to show such a precise vison of the future that many scholars doubt the authenticity of the book

in the first year of darius the mede the futuer universal ruler of the middle east daniel received special understanding of Jeremiah 25 - 12 as he relized the implications his new understanding had for Jerusalem he prayed his famous intercessory prayer for his people he began by confessing his own sin although his uncompromising faithfulness to god we recognized by all jews in captivity he then began to ask forgivness for his people as is seen in the ninth chapter he continued be petitioning god for his people


Daniel 9 16 - 17
o lord according to thy righteousness i be seech thee let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from the city Jerusalem thy holy mountain because for our sins and for the iniquities of our fathers Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us now therefore o our god hear the prayer of the thy servant and his supplications and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is deslolate for the lords sake



i am reading a book by david yonggi cho and this book has helped me look at sevral things i highlighted a lot of things that spoke to me


one thing i have learnt when we open up a door satan can come in and attack us or he will attack our partners when i was praying over the way my partner was threatend i sat quietly before the lord and said father is their anything that i have done to cause this attack from the enemy to come towards my partner


and i was shown i had allowed a door to be open the door that i left open was to the music i was listening to and i thought this is strange why would i be shown this i still had the ac/dc collection and i had not gotten rid of this collection i payed a fair bit before the threat over my partner i was listening to high way to hell and dirty deeds i had the cd up loud my house mate was away and i just wanted to listen to some secular music as i just got back from the philippines i was finding it hard being away from my partner and my in laws i dont like being in australia while my partner is in the philippines

so when this was shown to me i called a mate up off mine and said i want you to pray with me over this issue that the lord wants me to deal with as he knew about the threat over my partner and i said i asked the lord could have i left a door open and said to my mate this is what the lord showed me

i no longer play high way to hell or dirty deeds and the guy that threatend my partner has backed off to were he or his two mates have not been seen

un like you having dreams like the one you pointed out i have had some freaky experiances were i have wokken up out off a deep sleep hearing my name being called out i go to open the front door and no one is their this has happend over the last few fortnights immorality i have also felt like some one was in my room i had this freaky experiance were this hand was around my throat i wanted to say in jesus name i rebuke you but i could not this only happend about a week ago i have not told my partner i dont want to worry her

i just felt to place this hear for you it could mean nothing to you immorality but i am wondering have you left any doors open over your life ?


god bless from damo
happy2Bfree
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This sounds like how the Hell's Angel's operate. I got away from them when I was 19 and they did almost all of this to a T. I thought they were going to kill me. It's how they protected their drug empire. Fascinating someone has catalogued this. Good


If you ever feel comfortable sharing that story with me.....I'd like to read it.
researcher
QUOTE (happy2Bfree @ May 7 2008, 10:12 PM) *
QUOTE
This sounds like how the Hell's Angel's operate. I got away from them when I was 19 and they did almost all of this to a T. I thought they were going to kill me. It's how they protected their drug empire. Fascinating someone has catalogued this. Good


If you ever feel comfortable sharing that story with me.....I'd like to read it.


Sure. It's actually kind of fun (kind of, lol) to look back at now. Not then, but now, heck, it would make a good action movie, lol.
Maybe I'll put it up somewhere on the forum. wink.gif smile.gif
signet
we overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of our Testimony, Jesus Christ.

if you do feel attacked and suicidal thoughts overwhelm you out of nowhere...please
if you remember nothing else remember:


I am persuaded that nothing shall separate me from the love of God...NOTHING!


speak forth the Blood of the Lamb for greater is He in me than he in the world.

write these scriptures down on a 3x5 if you need to...and say them until you
know them and believe them until you can overcome the attacks and don't give
in because it sounds like your thought, but death is never your thought...it is a vile
suggestion of the adversary...

for Jesus came that we might have life and have it more abundantly.

if there be anything that you need to let go of or shut...do it and live in Christ,
and if you are not sure...judge conservatively and close doors that might be
allowing the adversary advantage. stay in fellowship, don't isolate.

remember, that you have been asked to be sifted...and that is all.

do not give space to the adversary whether by computer or by any other means
of intimidation...

this is a key for you...it will help you discern the enemy in action by whatever means:
DOMINATION, INTIDATION, MANIPULATION. THIS IS HIS CALLING CARD. DIM
like the lights going out...that's an indication that there is activity, but do not fear,
be bold in the Lord...only as far as you can pray and be wise and safe.

when you realize this in any form pray for wisdom, knowledge and understanding
and pray the above scriptures that you wrote down on cards until you remember
them...

wait on the Lord. my prayers for any who are oppressed at this moment...may
God strengthen you and may you move into the place of destiny that God has for
you. may your experience deepen your compassion, understanding and prayer life
and may you be protected by angels, and held in His right hand and delivered. amen
blessedinva
Hi Immortality,
The Scriptures I posted were to help you have faith for the Lord to end these attacks for you and save you. Our enemies are unseen spiritual forces but we just see the people, circumstances, illnesses etc that come upon us.
However Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy- that includes what you are going through.

I was once going through a nightmarish situation that few could relate to. Several Christians told me God would help me. I just blew it off like- well they don't understand - or felt they were being trite- just saying the easy Christian sounding thing.

But then I learned that God does literally heal, literally save, literally deliver after years of this horrible trial...so what the word says is that ending the situation you are in by God's supernatural power and authority is a benefit of believers.

The days are coming when all believers will be severely tried by different forms of oppression and persecution. Faith in the Lord and standing on His promises, repentance and faith are the means by which the Lord will deliver many.

God is in complete control and able to deliver you out of this- meaning bring it to an end by faith and being under the blood.

God takes many of us to these situations where we cannot save ourselves so he can prove Himself strong.

If you read these testimonies they will put faith into your heart...It is by grace you are saved (delivered, rescued, healed) through faith- it is a gift of God so no man can boast;
http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=e-book

By faith the Lord has healed disabilities, smuggled people past hostile militaries, and done many many mighty works. He has healed my child of autism. His promises are true- and as we learn what the Word says - we can cast down unbelief and doubt- partaking in the Lord's precious promises.

There is a curse of sin and disobedience that Jesus bore for believers. Through faith and repentance we access to many great blessings - in Jesus.

The Lord uses even the wicked for us purposes none can stay His hand. Take comfort in that and you can rest and wait and believe that Jesus bore the curse of this persecution.


Peace to you and grace,

April
UnfortunateTI
Hello, I did another one of my daily Google searches for anything new and interesting regarding gangstalking, and this message came up, so here I am.

As my first post here, let me just say that I have been a targeted individual (TI) of gangstalking for 4 years now. I agree with what has been said with Immortality's sound research. I do believe that this is satanic persecution against mostly Christians and that those who are going through this are being sifted. I most definitely am feeling sifted from it, although for whatever reason they have been laying off of me as of late.

My best theory regarding all of this is that this whole gangstalking phenomenon is being used to set up the human infrastructure of power and control necessary for the antichrist to rise to power. There are those, I believe, who have very different beliefs about the individual that we as Christians would call the antichrist. For these other individuals, they probably believe him to be the next messiah, great teacher, god incarnation, etc. (fill in the new age deception of your choice).

The people involved with my gangstalking seem to exude a great deal of delight from what they are doing to me. After 4 years of this, I at times feel like I am afraid of my own shadow, but with God's help I believe I am making a bit of an emotional and psychological comeback.

If neither you nor someone you know is being targeted by this yet, I believe before long you will be aware of it either in your own life or the life of one of your loved ones. The Bible says that satan comes as a "roaring lion" in these last days. I believe that we as Christians will face much persecution here in the U.S. before the rapture.

Glad to meet you all!
immortality
QUOTE (UnfortunateTI @ Jun 21 2008, 05:17 AM) *
Hello, I did another one of my daily Google searches for anything new and interesting regarding gangstalking, and this message came up, so here I am.

As my first post here, let me just say that I have been a targeted individual (TI) of gangstalking for 4 years now. I agree with what has been said with Immortality's sound research. I do believe that this is satanic persecution against mostly Christians and that those who are going through this are being sifted. I most definitely am feeling sifted from it, although for whatever reason they have been laying off of me as of late.

My best theory regarding all of this is that this whole gangstalking phenomenon is being used to set up the human infrastructure of power and control necessary for the antichrist to rise to power. There are those, I believe, who have very different beliefs about the individual that we as Christians would call the antichrist. For these other individuals, they probably believe him to be the next messiah, great teacher, god incarnation, etc. (fill in the new age deception of your choice).

The people involved with my gangstalking seem to exude a great deal of delight from what they are doing to me. After 4 years of this, I at times feel like I am afraid of my own shadow, but with God's help I believe I am making a bit of an emotional and psychological comeback.

If neither you nor someone you know is being targeted by this yet, I believe before long you will be aware of it either in your own life or the life of one of your loved ones. The Bible says that satan comes as a "roaring lion" in these last days. I believe that we as Christians will face much persecution here in the U.S. before the rapture.

Glad to meet you all!


great post.

i too feel that god is using this to refine/purify me. honestly, if i wasn't being ganstalked, i don't even know if i would be as close to god as i am now. if i was out in the world making loads of money and "living it up", i would probably not even be saved at all.

it's great to see so many christians being awakened to this reality. there is no doubt in my mind this is the working of the holy spirit.

i also agree with your theory as to why this may be happening. personally i think this may all indeed be occurring in preparation for the antichrist and his new world order regime. perhaps satan is trying to get rid of all of the true christians' influence/reputation/etc before he arrives. he knows that true christians, with their knowledge and spiritual discernment, would pose a giant threat to such a sinister regime.

i also agree that we will face much persecution in the u.s. before the rapture. we are already facing a spiritual and psychological one in the u.s. right now, but i believe physical persecution is very possible as well.

thanks a lot for posting, i really appreciate it. hang in there brother/sister.
immortality
so the other day i was driving to meet some buddies of mine at a restaurant, and there was a car that followed me along the whole way and harassed me, through means of extreme tail-gaiting and excessive blowing of the horn at randoms times. it became clear to me that this person was obviously a perpetrator (or "gangstalker").

so i decide to get behind the car, and we pull up to a red light where we stop, and i see that he has a sticker on the back of his car that said "_____ Baptist Church". from my research it has been made clear to me that most of the people who partake in gangstalking are "christians", so this did not surprise me one bit.

however, i know who they are: pharisees.

"How terrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous."

Mason
....reading this and experiencing "shock & awe"
Lord, awestrike me once again!
Lord, let me see how awesome You truly are.
the only way to crucify the flesh is through loving Jesus more.
How can I smile?
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us--Romans 8:18


Immortaility:
QUOTE
great post. I agree!

i too feel that god is using this to refine/purify me. honestly, if i wasn't being ganstalked, i don't even know if i would be as close to god as i am now. if i was out in the world making loads of money and "living it up", i would probably not even be saved at all.

it's great to see so many christians being awakened to this reality. there is no doubt in my mind this is the working of the holy spirit.





QUOTE (signet @ May 8 2008, 01:27 AM) *
we overcome by the Blood of the Lamb and the Word of our Testimony, Jesus Christ.
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if you do feel attacked and suicidal thoughts overwhelm you out of nowhere...please
if you remember nothing else remember:


I am persuaded that nothing shall separate me from the love of God...NOTHING!


speak forth the Blood of the Lamb for greater is He in me than he in the world.

write these scriptures down on a 3x5 if you need to...and say them until you
know them and believe them until you can overcome the attacks and don't give
in because it sounds like your thought, but death is never your thought...it is a vile
suggestion of the adversary...

for Jesus came that we might have life and have it more abundantly.

if there be anything that you need to let go of or shut...do it and live in Christ,
and if you are not sure...judge conservatively and close doors that might be
allowing the adversary advantage. stay in fellowship, don't isolate.

remember, that you have been asked to be sifted...and that is all.

do not give space to the adversary whether by computer or by any other means
of intimidation...

this is a key for you...it will help you discern the enemy in action by whatever means:
DOMINATION, INTIDATION, MANIPULATION. THIS IS HIS CALLING CARD. DIM
like the lights going out...that's an indication that there is activity, but do not fear,
be bold in the Lord...only as far as you can pray and be wise and safe.

when you realize this in any form pray for wisdom, knowledge and understanding
and pray the above scriptures that you wrote down on cards until you remember
them...

wait on the Lord. my prayers for any who are oppressed at this moment...may
God strengthen you and may you move into the place of destiny that God has for
you. may your experience deepen your compassion, understanding and prayer life
and may you be protected by angels, and held in His right hand and delivered. amen


ON CHRIST THE SOLID ROCK WE STAND,
ALL OTHER GROUND IN SINKING.............................SAND!
STAND ON THE WORD OF GOD
NIGHTMARE
SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION ON THE DAY OF THE LORD (MILLENIUM) so here we go again...

Revelation 20:1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand-------Most likely this angel is Michael he seems to do alot of the Lords but kickin....So this angel was in heaven but came down --came down where???? to earth...

When this happens satan has already finished his 5 month rule(revelation 9) also the the battle of Armageddon and Hamongog have already happen....

"Revelation 20:2 "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

The "serpent" was his roll in the Garden of Eden when he "wholly seduced" Eve, and she bore his offspring Cain, the father of the Kenites. The "Devil" was his title given in Matthew 13:39 as Jesus identified the enemy as the "Devil". Satan will have no influence in this time of teaching......

Revelation 20:3 "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

So Satan has been locked up ok.....We will cover his release shortly,,,,,,but remember this is a time to spread the gospel to the whole world,,,,Satan is locked up and cant influence the people,,,,everyone will see who the true Lord is...People that followe antichrist(satan) will see there christ locked in a pit while the real Christ is doing his thing.....

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

millions of Christian brothers and sisters have lost their lives for the witness of Jesus Christ over the past two thousand years....... Also receiving rewards are those that have not bowed to the Antichrist in the five month period of deception coming up shortly, nor did they take his mark through the deception, nor accepted his ways (image) in their minds. If you believe in the rapture theory, you will probley worship Satan. Mark 13 and Matthew 24 makes it clear that the Antichrist will come first. The "rapture theory" teaches that you will be lifted out by the first messiah, and that first messiah is the Antichrist.....

Revelation 20:5 "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."

If you are saved and make a stand against the Antichrist and his deceptions, you will reign with Christ 1,000 years.....You will help Christ teach those that have sinned and worshipped the beast and his system...........

Those who did take the "mark of the beast", their souls will not have eternal spiritual live, and live again until the Millennium age is over and finished. I Corinthians 15:50-52 describes the mystery of the two bodies. The physical and spiritual bodies are two separate entities.....

the rest of the dead"????? The difference in taking part in the first resurrection or not taking part is whether, is on whether or not they were deceived by the Antichrist,,,,If you followed the antichrist you will be in a spiritual body upon Christ return,,but you will still have a mortal soul, which means you still can be sent to the lake,,,those that have not worshipped the antichrist have nothing to worry about....

Lets see what paul has to say:::

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

This is a mystery that Paul is going to reveal to us that had been hidden until Paul writing. This mystery concerns what happens at a particular point in time, for at that instant, there will be no more death. "Sleep" as used here, is # 2838 in the Strong's Greek Dictionary; "Koimesis, koy'-may-sis; from 2837, to put to sleep." We read in # 2837; "Koimao, Koy-mah'-o; to put to sleep, to decease, to be dead."

So a time is coming,,,, where no one will have to worry about these flesh bodys again....

Revelation 20:6 "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years....... Again those who dont follow the antichrist will be gathered together by the spirit at the 7th trump,,,,indead these people are blessed, as the scripture says STILL NOTHING EVEN CLOSE TO A RAPTURE GOING ON HERE........

Revelation 20:7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison."

When everyone has been taught that are in their mortal (liable to die) soul bodies, then Satan will be loosed. Those teachings were given under perfect conditions, and all will have bodies with no ailments, perfect thought, and no temptations by Satan. In fact, all will even know he was the deceiver of this earth age. Their understanding will be perfect....darn thats going to be crappy everyone that followed satan/antichrist is going to know there a whore but it gets worse watch...

Revelation 20:8 "And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

Many people go into some big debate on Gog and Magog ---man it just means east and west,,,after satan is released he goes back to his same tricks,,,trying to decieve people again After 1,000 years of teaching, the tribulation of the seven trumpets, and visually seeing Satan as the fallen one (deceived of the earth) in prison, they still follow him in large numbers. ---Told you it gets worse --after satan/antichrist is locked up and everyone knows he is a fake,,,when he gets released people are going to still follow him wacko.gif O freakin well,, those people deserve to die mad.gif

Revelation 20:9 "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

It would have been nice if God would let us get a couple shots in first, but what ya gonna do??? It seems that the consuming fire which is God is going to take care of everything from here....

This is the "great day of God" when the full god-head comes to dwell on earth with His saints forever. This is different from the "day of the Lord", which was 1,000 years earlier, that took place at the seventh trump when Jesus Christ came and set up His kingdom for the Millennium.

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

In Ezekiel 28:16-19, Satan is promised that he will be destroyed from within and turned to ashes. Once a soul is turned to ashes, it is finished. Satan can cause harm to your body but only God can destroy your soul.

Revelation 20:11 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away: and there was found no place for them."

With the God-head present on earth, and the judgment of God on all those lost souls, there was no place for Satan and his hoards of followers to exist.

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out...... Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us....... Good thing for that huh?? biggrin.gif

Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No So all you people who think faith is going to cover your butts think again what does the scripture say???all souls are judged "according to their works not according to there faith...

Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works."

Please dont forget the sea just means the people ---- but there is that phrase again "according to there works"

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

I dont think the last 2 versus need any interpreting ---your either in or your out.............................

























LemuelReyes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG52QemWSgI...feature=related a good video on gang stalking
blessedinva
Hi UnfortunateII and Immortality,

That is certainly a trial- or honestly a curse. However Jesus bore the curse of sin and the law of Deut 28 according to Galatians 2:20.

The name of the Lord is a strong tower- the righteous run in and they are saved. The word for saved included physical protection.

These are the RIGHTS of those who are in Christ. Many Christians endure horrible situations because they have not been taught how to overcome by faith in the Lord's promises.


Since ALL authority has been given to Jesus - that included all powers of the enemy- including your circumstances.

You have a right in Jesus to be set free from this. He took the curse of this enemy on Him at the cross.
Make sure you are not walking in hatred, anger, or unforgiveness though. Bless those who curse you.

I am not trying to sound trite- you are undoubtably going through a living nightmare. However in Christ- Jesus paid an extremely high price to encure your protection and deliverance.

I care about you both in the Lord. Many Christians are dying for lack of knowledge. I believe this book and the teaching here about the "real good news" will build up your faith in order to rebuke the devil in this situation.

The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet.


When I was going through a nightmare trial- when people spoke to me about faith- it annoyed me and I felt that they were saying the problem was my fault. Now I see, I did not understand how the Lord gets much glory by saving, delivering and pro