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meli
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM) *
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.



At `every` branch, standing was an angel . . . who is the guardian of the leaves for healing.

He said only something like, " We have not come for you yet " .

Because, the time of this tree is not yet.

Ezekiel 47:12
12 - And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.

Revelation 22:2
2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
zeetz
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ May 20 2008, 06:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM) *
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.



At `every` branch, standing was an angel . . . who is the guardian of the leaves for healing.

He said only something like, " We have not come for you yet " .

Because, the time of this tree is not yet.

Ezekiel 47:12
12 - And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.

Revelation 22:2
2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.



Dear Melangel,

Hi! I read your dream, and glad you shared. I want to share with you something that actually happened to me when I was 3 years old, involving a tree and angels. This was no dream. I would appreciate any comments.

I was born in San Diego, CA. When I was about 3 yrs old we moved to La Mesa, a town nearby. My Mom worked and I was left with a babysitter down the street. I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since. I was drawn to the source of the singing, and followed it out the back yard fence and into the adjacent field. There in the middle of the field was a large old tree, and that is where all the singing was coming from. I went right up and saw angelic beings, that were up in the air all around the tree! They were barely visible and ethereal. Their music and singing was so joyful I danced and sang beneath them even though I could not understand a single word - but I KNEW they were praising God! That I was sure of, and I praised along with them. I was so happy to be there with them! The next thing I knew, I was being shaken by my angry babysitter, and others who were worried and searching for me because I was missing. I told them, don't you hear the angels singing? Can't you see them too? They could not, and dragged me back to the babysitters house, and made fun of me the rest of the day. I will never forget the angels though, around the tree in the field. One of the happiest times of my life was hearing their beautiful voices.

That's it! So similar to your dream I had to share this with you!

God Bless 1dsz5e4.gif
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (zeetz @ May 20 2008, 07:21 PM) *
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ May 20 2008, 06:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM) *
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.



At `every` branch, standing was an angel . . . who is the guardian of the leaves for healing.

He said only something like, " We have not come for you yet " .

Because, the time of this tree is not yet.

Ezekiel 47:12
12 - And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.

Revelation 22:2
2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.



Dear crownsevenalphbets,

Hi! I read your dream, and glad you shared. I want to share with you something that actually happened to me when I was 3 years old, involving a tree and angels. This was no dream. I would appreciate any comments.

I was born in San Diego, CA. When I was about 3 yrs old we moved to La Mesa, a town nearby. My Mom worked and I was left with a babysitter down the street. I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since. I was drawn to the source of the singing, and followed it out the back yard fence and into the adjacent field. There in the middle of the field was a large old tree, and that is where all the singing was coming from. I went right up and saw angelic beings, that were up in the air all around the tree! They were barely visible and ethereal. Their music and singing was so joyful I danced and sang beneath them even though I could not understand a single word - but I KNEW they were praising God! That I was sure of, and I praised along with them. I was so happy to be there with them! The next thing I knew, I was being shaken by my angry babysitter, and others who were worried and searching for me because I was missing. I told them, don't you hear the angels singing? Can't you see them too? They could not, and dragged me back to the babysitters house, and made fun of me the rest of the day. I will never forget the angels though, around the tree in the field. One of the happiest times of my life was hearing their beautiful voices.

That's it! So similar to your dream I had to share this with you!

God Bless 1dsz5e4.gif



The dream was from QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM)

I added the commentary scriptures.

However, I am enjoying your sharing of your childhood experience.
And seems you also, are like Melangel, both of you have glimpsed the healing leaves
of the tree of life.


I will show you a simple mystery, very simple to confound the wise :

Revelation 22:2
2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

See the chapter of Revelation 22 ?

There are 22 Hebrew Alphabet's.
Each of the musical notes that the angel's you heard played, matches the angelic understanding
of the healing of the nations.

And the 12 manner of fruit's are studied under the 12 Hebrew Tribes.

a)Because you were ' hearing ' the angels, that is symbolic of the Hebrew Tribe of Issachar,
meaning ' There is Recompense ' and foundation is ' hearing '.

b)Because you ' heard ' the melody and understood, that is symbolic of the Hebrew Tribe
of Simeon, meaning ' Heard ' and foundation is ' thought '.

c)Because you knew the angels were praising God (IHVH), that is symbolic of the
Hebrew Tribe of Judah, meaning ' Praised ' and the foundation is ' sight '.

Now you will know three (3) angel's involved in your observance, that day :

a) archangel Raphael
cool.gif archangel Haniel
c) archangel Gabriel

I thank God(IHVH) for you earth experience.

(excerpt)
I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since.


zeetz
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ May 20 2008, 08:32 PM) *
QUOTE (zeetz @ May 20 2008, 07:21 PM) *
QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ May 20 2008, 06:37 PM) *
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM) *
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.



At `every` branch, standing was an angel . . . who is the guardian of the leaves for healing.

He said only something like, " We have not come for you yet " .

Because, the time of this tree is not yet.

Ezekiel 47:12
12 - And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.

Revelation 22:2
2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.



Dear crownsevenalphbets,

Hi! I read your dream, and glad you shared. I want to share with you something that actually happened to me when I was 3 years old, involving a tree and angels. This was no dream. I would appreciate any comments.

I was born in San Diego, CA. When I was about 3 yrs old we moved to La Mesa, a town nearby. My Mom worked and I was left with a babysitter down the street. I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since. I was drawn to the source of the singing, and followed it out the back yard fence and into the adjacent field. There in the middle of the field was a large old tree, and that is where all the singing was coming from. I went right up and saw angelic beings, that were up in the air all around the tree! They were barely visible and ethereal. Their music and singing was so joyful I danced and sang beneath them even though I could not understand a single word - but I KNEW they were praising God! That I was sure of, and I praised along with them. I was so happy to be there with them! The next thing I knew, I was being shaken by my angry babysitter, and others who were worried and searching for me because I was missing. I told them, don't you hear the angels singing? Can't you see them too? They could not, and dragged me back to the babysitters house, and made fun of me the rest of the day. I will never forget the angels though, around the tree in the field. One of the happiest times of my life was hearing their beautiful voices.

That's it! So similar to your dream I had to share this with you!

God Bless 1dsz5e4.gif



The dream was from QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM)

I added the commentary scriptures.

However, I am enjoying your sharing of your childhood experience.
And seems you also, are like Melangel, both of you have glimpsed the healing leaves
of the tree of life.


I will show you a simple mystery, very simple to confound the wise :

Revelation 22:2
2 - In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

See the chapter of Revelation 22 ?

There are 22 Hebrew Alphabet's.
Each of the musical notes that the angel's you heard played, matches the angelic understanding
of the healing of the nations.

And the 12 manner of fruit's are studied under the 12 Hebrew Tribes.

a)Because you were ' hearing ' the angels, that is symbolic of the Hebrew Tribe of Issachar,
meaning ' There is Recompense ' and foundation is ' hearing '.

b)Because you ' heard ' the melody and understood, that is symbolic of the Hebrew Tribe
of Simeon, meaning ' Heard ' and foundation is ' thought '.

c)Because you knew the angels were praising God (IHVH), that is symbolic of the
Hebrew Tribe of Judah, meaning ' Praised ' and the foundation is ' sight '.

Now you will know three (3) angel's involved in your observance, that day :

a) archangel Raphael
cool.gif archangel Haniel
c) archangel Gabriel

I thank God(IHVH) for you earth experience.

(excerpt)
I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since.





OH!!! Crownsevenalphbets! I am overcome with joy! All these years I never knew this! However NOW, on this very day, I have finally been told WHO the angels were, and all about them and their music! I am SO GRATEFUL, to you, and to The Most High God, my Lord, my Savior, my KING- Yeshua, Jesus Christ! For His great kindness to me! Each day seems difficult, but now as His appearance is so close and His glorious Coming so near, He is FLOODING me with hope, blessings, and opening my understanding. I have been praying for so many things lately. I have been asking for Him to increase my love and faith in Him. Every since, He has been answering in the most precious ways. I don't understand it all yet, but I will someday, and until then, my faith in Him is being strengthened daily. And since my faith in Him is pleasing to Him, I am glad. And my love for Him will never end, Because He loved me first ...

Glory to God! Thank you Thank you! My birthday is May 31st, and this is the best gift I could ever imagine!

I want to know more!

Shirley
Humble Bob
QUOTE (zeetz @ May 20 2008, 07:21 PM) *
Dear Melangel,

Hi! I read your dream, and glad you shared. I want to share with you something that actually happened to me when I was 3 years old, involving a tree and angels. This was no dream. I would appreciate any comments.

I was born in San Diego, CA. When I was about 3 yrs old we moved to La Mesa, a town nearby. My Mom worked and I was left with a babysitter down the street. I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since. I was drawn to the source of the singing, and followed it out the back yard fence and into the adjacent field. There in the middle of the field was a large old tree, and that is where all the singing was coming from. I went right up and saw angelic beings, that were up in the air all around the tree! They were barely visible and ethereal. Their music and singing was so joyful I danced and sang beneath them even though I could not understand a single word - but I KNEW they were praising God! That I was sure of, and I praised along with them. I was so happy to be there with them! The next thing I knew, I was being shaken by my angry babysitter, and others who were worried and searching for me because I was missing. I told them, don't you hear the angels singing? Can't you see them too? They could not, and dragged me back to the babysitters house, and made fun of me the rest of the day. I will never forget the angels though, around the tree in the field. One of the happiest times of my life was hearing their beautiful voices.

That's it! So similar to your dream I had to share this with you!

God Bless 1dsz5e4.gif


I like it!
meli
Crownsevenalphbets I cannot thank you enough for this. I think zeetz's reply stands for me as well! I am overcome with your thoughts on both my dream and zeetz's experience which also has brought me happiness. I feel we have been blessed by these things in a way I cannot even explain. When you are a child in an unhappy place to imagine that such a glimpse we would not understand until some many years later on a forum over the internet has been shown to us, wow how amazing hu? It has given me a little more strength to face the future and I will, I hope, question unworthyness less. What a blessing!
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 21 2008, 01:43 AM) *
Crownsevenalphbets I cannot thank you enough for this. I think zeetz's reply stands for me as well! I am overcome with your thoughts on both my dream and zeetz's experience which also has brought me happiness. I feel we have been blessed by these things in a way I cannot even explain. When you are a child in an unhappy place to imagine that such a glimpse we would not understand until some many years later on a forum over the internet has been shown to us, wow how amazing hu? It has given me a little more strength to face the future and I will, I hope, question unworthyness less. What a blessing!



You both, are very welcomed.

And I reposted, your dream Melangel and Zeetz's experience.
And I have posted below a dream I found about trees, maybe others with tree visions
or tree dreams will post their info.

And my tree experience is at this link :
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry123762

POST#16

Unlike, what you may have read about NDE [near death experience],
I stayed on earth. Well not really, I could see the children
and mothers on the river bank from the TREE top.
Yes, I could hear the private conversations of the mothers
and the laughter with playing and splashing of the water
via the children.
When the angel pushed me out of the water, from my foot caught
under my back [ I was stuck bent backwards, I totally emerged
and like a rocket f o r c e d to the surface ].







QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM)
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.





QUOTE (zeetz @ May 20 2008, 07:21 PM)
Dear crownsevenalphbets,

Hi! I read your dream, and glad you shared. I want to share with you something that actually happened to me when I was 3 years old, involving a tree and angels. This was no dream. I would appreciate any comments.

I was born in San Diego, CA. When I was about 3 yrs old we moved to La Mesa, a town nearby. My Mom worked and I was left with a babysitter down the street. I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since. I was drawn to the source of the singing, and followed it out the back yard fence and into the adjacent field. There in the middle of the field was a large old tree, and that is where all the singing was coming from. I went right up and saw angelic beings, that were up in the air all around the tree! They were barely visible and ethereal. Their music and singing was so joyful I danced and sang beneath them even though I could not understand a single word - but I KNEW they were praising God! That I was sure of, and I praised along with them. I was so happy to be there with them! The next thing I knew, I was being shaken by my angry babysitter, and others who were worried and searching for me because I was missing. I told them, don't you hear the angels singing? Can't you see them too? They could not, and dragged me back to the babysitters house, and made fun of me the rest of the day. I will never forget the angels though, around the tree in the field. One of the happiest times of my life was hearing their beautiful voices.

That's it! So similar to your dream I had to share this with you!

God Bless







DREAMS OF TREES AND THEIR TRUTH

***************


7-31-88 - DREAM - I met my friend Barb at church. She said that a person should be at church at least every other day. I reminded her that we only had three services a week, two on Sunday and one on Wednesday, but that there was a Bible study on Tuesdays on the Fruit of the Spirit and that I would be there.

I was walking through a fruit orchard outside of church. The trees were tall and the lowest branches were high up off the ground, higher than most people could reach, but the man I was with was in charge of the trees and said that the branches should be even higher because he was taller than most people. He said he didn't want to stoop to anyone elses level, he wanted to be able to stand as tall as his full potential. Some of the branches were cut too low for me to stand up to my full potential too.
Fere
Thank each of you for sharing these stories. smile.gif
crownsevenalphabet
Dedicated To Fere & Mike: Jeff G. Dies October 2001, ~angel figurine turns around in the curio cabinet~
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22506&hl=
GodLovesYou
My goodness, a long read and links, but well worth it.. Chilling about Jeff G.... wow!
zeetz
Hi! I am enjoying this thread Betty...I see more and more stories of angels here! When I saw you had posted my experience with the Angels around the Tree, I had just before reading the post found a website link on another of your threads with people who have had visions of heaven, or near death experiences...They went to heaven, if only for a short time and reported the things they saw and heard. I am posting an excerpt here from that website that is exactly like what I experienced here on earth as a small child, only this man experienced it in heaven, via his NDE (near death experience)-

Specifically he described the Music there - the Heavenly Choir, Music of the Spheres...it is EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I HEARD UNDER THE TREE WITH THE ANGELS SINGING! And it produced the same reaction in me - I danced, sang, and praised - sheer bliss! Here is the excerpt:

Excerpt:

And then I heard the MUSIC. It was a tone so sublimely perfect that remembering it still brings me to tears. I knew then, and know now, that I was hearing the symphony of angels, the song of the universe, what some have called the Music of the Spheres. All thoughts melted in its melody and everything else ceased to be of any importance. I closed my eyes and began to dance, moving to the resonant vibration that coursed through my essence. The melody seemed to issue from a single point and was composed of one verse, a song whose mystical tone my entire being knew and sang. I bathed in its melody as utter joy filled my being, and as the sound washed over my spirit, I felt all confusion purged from my consciousness.


And here is the website it came from: Visions of Heaven


Thank you for putting that link in that other post! So what I experienced as a young child is a sample of the wonderful music of Heaven! The Heavenly Choir, Music of the Spheres! I am so blessed to have had a taste on earth of what awaits me in heaven! Praise the Lord Jesus for that experience - a gift! AMEN!

zeetz




QUOTE (crownsevenalphabet @ May 21 2008, 03:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 21 2008, 01:43 AM) *
Crownsevenalphbets I cannot thank you enough for this. I think zeetz's reply stands for me as well! I am overcome with your thoughts on both my dream and zeetz's experience which also has brought me happiness. I feel we have been blessed by these things in a way I cannot even explain. When you are a child in an unhappy place to imagine that such a glimpse we would not understand until some many years later on a forum over the internet has been shown to us, wow how amazing hu? It has given me a little more strength to face the future and I will, I hope, question unworthyness less. What a blessing!



You both, are very welcomed.

And I reposted, your dream Melangel and Zeetz's experience.
And I have posted below a dream I found about trees, maybe others with tree visions
or tree dreams will post their info.

And my tree experience is at this link :
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry123762

POST#16

Unlike, what you may have read about NDE [near death experience],
I stayed on earth. Well not really, I could see the children
and mothers on the river bank from the TREE top.
Yes, I could hear the private conversations of the mothers
and the laughter with playing and splashing of the water
via the children.
When the angel pushed me out of the water, from my foot caught
under my back [ I was stuck bent backwards, I totally emerged
and like a rocket f o r c e d to the surface ].







QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 06:48 PM)
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.





QUOTE (zeetz @ May 20 2008, 07:21 PM)
Dear crownsevenalphbets,

Hi! I read your dream, and glad you shared. I want to share with you something that actually happened to me when I was 3 years old, involving a tree and angels. This was no dream. I would appreciate any comments.

I was born in San Diego, CA. When I was about 3 yrs old we moved to La Mesa, a town nearby. My Mom worked and I was left with a babysitter down the street. I was playing in her back yard one day, and all of a sudden I noticed very beautiful voices singing. The most beautiful music I ever heard then or since. I was drawn to the source of the singing, and followed it out the back yard fence and into the adjacent field. There in the middle of the field was a large old tree, and that is where all the singing was coming from. I went right up and saw angelic beings, that were up in the air all around the tree! They were barely visible and ethereal. Their music and singing was so joyful I danced and sang beneath them even though I could not understand a single word - but I KNEW they were praising God! That I was sure of, and I praised along with them. I was so happy to be there with them! The next thing I knew, I was being shaken by my angry babysitter, and others who were worried and searching for me because I was missing. I told them, don't you hear the angels singing? Can't you see them too? They could not, and dragged me back to the babysitters house, and made fun of me the rest of the day. I will never forget the angels though, around the tree in the field. One of the happiest times of my life was hearing their beautiful voices.

That's it! So similar to your dream I had to share this with you!

God Bless







DREAMS OF TREES AND THEIR TRUTH

***************


7-31-88 - DREAM - I met my friend Barb at church. She said that a person should be at church at least every other day. I reminded her that we only had three services a week, two on Sunday and one on Wednesday, but that there was a Bible study on Tuesdays on the Fruit of the Spirit and that I would be there.

I was walking through a fruit orchard outside of church. The trees were tall and the lowest branches were high up off the ground, higher than most people could reach, but the man I was with was in charge of the trees and said that the branches should be even higher because he was taller than most people. He said he didn't want to stoop to anyone elses level, he wanted to be able to stand as tall as his full potential. Some of the branches were cut too low for me to stand up to my full potential too.

crownsevenalphabet
MELODY ----------- THE PARALLEL LESSON ------------------->


(quote from Zeetz)
Hi! I am enjoying this thread Betty...I see more and more stories of angels here! When I saw you had posted my experience with the Angels around the Tree, I had just before reading the post found a website link on another of your threads with people who have had visions of heaven, or near death experiences...They went to heaven, if only for a short time and reported the things they saw and heard. I am posting an excerpt here from that website that is exactly like what I experienced here on earth as a small child, only this man experienced it in heaven, via his NDE (near death experience)-

Specifically he described the Music there - the Heavenly Choir, Music of the Spheres...it is EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I HEARD UNDER THE TREE WITH THE ANGELS SINGING! And it produced the same reaction in me - I danced, sang, and praised - sheer bliss! Here is the excerpt:

Excerpt:

And then I heard the MUSIC. It was a tone so sublimely perfect that remembering it still brings me to tears. I knew then, and know now, that I was hearing the symphony of angels, the song of the universe, what some have called the Music of the Spheres. All thoughts melted in its melody and everything else ceased to be of any importance. I closed my eyes and began to dance, moving to the resonant vibration that coursed through my essence. The melody seemed to issue from a single point and was composed of one verse, a song whose mystical tone my entire being knew and sang. I bathed in its melody as utter joy filled my being, and as the sound washed over my spirit, I felt all confusion purged from my consciousness.


And here is the website it came from: Visions of Heaven
http://users.belgacom.net/gc674645/heaven/city.htm


Thank you for putting that link in that other post! So what I experienced as a young child is a sample of the wonderful music of Heaven! The Heavenly Choir, Music of the Spheres! I am so blessed to have had a taste on earth of what awaits me in heaven! Praise the Lord Jesus for that experience - a gift! AMEN!

zeetz





(quote crownsevenalphabet)
August 21st, 2008

This morning, the Lord gave me a word : MELODY

And, as I saw the discord happening in certain people's lives, I posted
the following meaning of melody @forum.

Melody, teaches us about change of some kind, and patterns of changing.
It teaches us, interacting patterns of changing events . . .
So when you view the youtube link, called : Light of the World, Love is the Answer . . .


Thank you, Chloe . . . I love this youtube . . . a wonderful treasure chest !

Chloe
Post #4
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry225341
Dedicated To The Light Of The World, Yeshua

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aFmnpYBMK0...feature=related
Light of the World, Love is the Answer

. . . then you will know, why the word ' melody ' was presented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melody

In music, a melody (from Greek μελῳδία - melōidía, "singing, chanting"[1]), also tune, voice, or line, is a series of linear events or a succession, not a simultaneity as in a chord (see harmony). However, this succession must contain change of some kind and be perceived as a single entity (possibly Gestalt) to be called a melody. Most specifically this includes patterns of changing pitches and durations, while most generally it includes any interacting patterns of changing events or quality. "Melody is said to result where there are interacting patterns of changing events occurring in time."[2]
happy2Bfree
Betty....

I love these little gold nuggets of information that you share.

wub.gif

crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 22 2008, 08:31 PM) *
Betty....

I love these little gold nuggets of information that you share.

wub.gif



Dearest Chloe . . . com'on let us gather all our gold mining sisters and brothers, let us
take the picks and shovels . . . ----------- by the camp fire, we can roast mashmellows
on our sticks and sing happy ' melodies ` . . . together !

p.s.
Thank you, . . .

http://www.freehousechurchresources.com/goldminers.php
So what do we do? We use a free, powerful Bible program called e-Sword to view Strong’s numbers, to search through commentaries, and look up cross-references. e-Sword puts a multitude of resources at our disposal: Bibles, commentaries, lexicons, dictionaries, reference books, cross-reference lists and more. We use these resources to dig into the Bible and find "gold nuggets". (Hence the name "Gold Miners’ Bible Study".)
+Shine+
This thread keeps reminding me of Joan or Arc. I don't know if she was a true believer... but she saw angels or saints in a tree and then ended up leading the army of France against the English, she was executed as a witch. http://www.beliefnet.com/story/183/story_18388_1.html

<<<Just wanted to add something as that site I put up isn't Christian and I don't want anyone to be decieved. I think that Angels can speak or be seen by people sometimes and that good Angels would point to the Lord Jesus Christ.... we should be careful not to be misled as the devil and fallen angels can pretend to be good angels or saints. Was Joan of Arc seeing good angels? I don't know, she seemed to think they were saints... which would be unbiblical.... so was she still used by God? I don't know but some say our history would be very different without her.>>>
happy2Bfree
QUOTE
Specifically he described the Music there - the Heavenly Choir, Music of the Spheres...it is EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I HEARD UNDER THE TREE WITH THE ANGELS SINGING! And it produced the same reaction in me - I danced, sang, and praised - sheer bliss! Here is the excerpt:

Excerpt:

And then I heard the MUSIC. It was a tone so sublimely perfect that remembering it still brings me to tears. I knew then, and know now, that I was hearing the symphony of angels, the song of the universe, what some have called the Music of the Spheres. All thoughts melted in its melody and everything else ceased to be of any importance. I closed my eyes and began to dance, moving to the resonant vibration that coursed through my essence. The melody seemed to issue from a single point and was composed of one verse, a song whose mystical tone my entire being knew and sang. I bathed in its melody as utter joy filled my being, and as the sound washed over my spirit, I felt all confusion purged from my consciousness.


I wish I could hear what this sounded like.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 23 2008, 01:57 AM) *
QUOTE
Specifically he described the Music there - the Heavenly Choir, Music of the Spheres...it is EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I HEARD UNDER THE TREE WITH THE ANGELS SINGING! And it produced the same reaction in me - I danced, sang, and praised - sheer bliss! Here is the excerpt:

Excerpt:

And then I heard the MUSIC. It was a tone so sublimely perfect that remembering it still brings me to tears. I knew then, and know now, that I was hearing the symphony of angels, the song of the universe, what some have called the Music of the Spheres. All thoughts melted in its melody and everything else ceased to be of any importance. I closed my eyes and began to dance, moving to the resonant vibration that coursed through my essence. The melody seemed to issue from a single point and was composed of one verse, a song whose mystical tone my entire being knew and sang. I bathed in its melody as utter joy filled my being, and as the sound washed over my spirit, I felt all confusion purged from my consciousness.


I wish I could hear what this sounded like.




Mike Oldfield: "Shabda" (Music Of The Spheres)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS70GnuNdn8
happy2Bfree
I looked up the phrase and found the same videos.

But the description in the post didn't seem to line up with the sounds I was hearing.

But I did watch a video on the Himilayan Bowls.

Reminds me of taking ones finger and running it around the top of a water glass to make different sounds. These are pretty cool though.

I enjoy hearing the various tunes they make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzdeoF54154...feature=related



crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 23 2008, 02:53 AM) *
I looked up the phrase and found the same videos.

But the description in the post didn't seem to line up with the sounds I was hearing.

But I did watch a video on the Himilayan Bowls.

Reminds me of taking ones finger and running it around the top of a water glass to make different sounds. These are pretty cool though.

I enjoy hearing the various tunes they make.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzdeoF54154...feature=related



Since you enjoy this, you might want to research the information about the
Levi Priest and their music.

And if today, ( I work 12 hours ) . . . while I am off line . . . you locate Levi Priest
musical web links or research under that area, would you post it . . . ?


POST #19
The Holy Dna Of Jesus Christ Is The Mark Or Seal On The Soul, EXCERPT, from web link . . .
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...20138&st=18
happy2Bfree
Sure.

I'll research it when I get back and start a thread. That sounds interesting.
zeetz
Hi all!

Just wanted you to know, the music I heard (referring to my experience of around 3 - 4 years old by the tree with angels around), was completely different than the music produced by Mike Oldham in the Youtube link, and it was also completely different than the music/tones in the "Tibetan bowls" link ...

What I heard was so far superior to anything that I have ever heard on earth, I don't think I will ever hear it again this side of heaven. What I heard was mainly voices singing, and so beautiful, powerful, and joyful. It is very difficult for me to describe it because it cannot even be come close to anything here on earth...at least anything I have ever heard since then. All I can say is what I said before when I shared my story: it was full of love and praise, and even at my young age I "knew" the angels where praising God, even though I could not understand the words.

I'm not trying to prove anything, just sharing my experience because it was so astounding to me! And now I see others who have heard the same heavenly music under different circumstances....so I know I am not alone in being given a taste of the beauty that awaits all who put their trust in Jesus Christ as their Saviour! Praise the Lord!

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zeetz

QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 23 2008, 08:36 AM) *
Sure.

I'll research it when I get back and start a thread. That sounds interesting.
happy2Bfree
QUOTE (zeetz @ Aug 23 2008, 11:26 AM) *
Hi all!

Just wanted you to know, the music I heard (referring to my experience of around 3 - 4 years old by the tree with angels around), was completely different than the music produced by Mike Oldham in the Youtube link, and it was also completely different than the music/tones in the "Tibetan bowls" link ...

What I heard was so far superior to anything that I have ever heard on earth, I don't think I will ever hear it again this side of heaven. What I heard was mainly voices singing, and so beautiful, powerful, and joyful. It is very difficult for me to describe it because it cannot even be come close to anything here on earth...at least anything I have ever heard since then. All I can say is what I said before when I shared my story: it was full of love and praise, and even at my young age I "knew" the angels where praising God, even though I could not understand the words.

I'm not trying to prove anything, just sharing my experience because it was so astounding to me! And now I see others who have heard the same heavenly music under different circumstances....so I know I am not alone in being given a taste of the beauty that awaits all who put their trust in Jesus Christ as their Saviour! Praise the Lord!

1dsz5e4.gif

zeetz

QUOTE (Chloé @ Aug 23 2008, 08:36 AM) *
Sure.

I'll research it when I get back and start a thread. That sounds interesting.



So that was your own experience? Wow! I wish I could hear it for myself.

What I had heard on the youtube video didn't seem to match with what was being described. That truely sounds like it came from God.

But it reminds me Zeetz of what I have read about Angels that were caught on tape singing praise and worship to God along with people in church. After, the music has been analyzed....they find that there are instruments that are not of this world on them.

And I know the Tibetan bowls are not it either. I just came across those as I was looking to see if there could be an example of it.

Crown....

Here is the thread I started about the Levite Priests. What do you know about the music they made? I'm not finding all that much about it.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry226591
voice
If one has heard the singing of actual angels and can never forget it - well,
I'm certain that was authentic, because when you have heard the real angels
sing, there is nothing like it.

It is a sound that is almost ... organic, touchable. At its core it is - worship.

But always, beloved family of God -

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mwest/071221


In any case it has happened twice to me. The first time
it was one voice, the second time it was a crowd of them.

It happened on the one occasion when I was completing
a combination/degree in music at a university. I tried 'conversing'
with it (I was sleeping) as if in a dream but it just kept singing.
After awakening I was in awe for about a week.


I never have mentioned this before but ... that is the reason for my s/n.

That is why I actually change it from time to time - since it reminds me of that
experience long ago, and the responsibility of living up to that s/n by
standing confidently in the Word, which in song is converted via 'voice' into
different kinds of 'power'.

( I have the Psalm 37 in my profile interest section where a whole Psalm is dedicated to this)

The second time I perceived an angelic sound, it was a group of voices and I was in a beautiful park on campus when I heard it above and to the side of myself - I just stopped and stood there transfixed. Afterwards I sat in the lecture halls smiling like a mannequin for the rest of the day.

I also came to know and discern the counterfeits, which is another longer
story.

Suffice to say, it seemed as if to be the most pure form of worship.


There are seven entry points in one's head :
- one in each ear so that we listen twice as much as we speak
- only one ( in the ) mouth, so that we speak half as much as we listen
- one hole (pupil) in each eye to let light/photons in, to create seratonin/melatonin
for sleeping and dreaming
- two holes (nostrils) in the nose to let in air (ruach, in hebrew) - and each
nostril dilates alternately every 90 minutes to equally ' inspire' the sinuses and lungs (notice that when you have a head cold each nostril unplugs about every 90 minutes while the other stays almost blocked)

That equals seven holes (orfices), the number of completion, for complete physical perception.

When you were a baby there were actually eight holes since there was one other temporary opening in the top of your skull where your pulse could be felt ... that was the 8th entry point, but it is closed now since the occipital bones have locked together. Babies are perceptive listeners.



Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou established praise because of thine adversaries, to still the enemy and the avenger.
Psalm 8:2

And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
Matthew 21:16




Eight signifies eternity ('chet' - in hebrew) which is only perceived via the spirit and in hebrew, head is - 'rosh' in hebrew (crown knows this - hence her name, 'crown') signifying that which rests on the head. The type of perception of everything we smell, see, taste, feel and hear determines how we receive Divine revelation via the word of God.

But the occipital bones are now closed so, we are left with the seven orfices of perception. The one that the Lord has chosen as the primary receptor is the hearing
function of the ears.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 4:23

Hear O Israel: The LORD is our God. The LORD is the only God.
Deuteronomy 6:4


How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:14


Only when one has heard the word and decided how to believe it can they see and eat the word of God...

O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that believeth in Him.
Psalm 34:8


So then, hearing (' Li-Shmoah ' in hebrew) is the perceptive faculty of receiving
those angelic voices, and most importantly of receiving and digesting God's word.


Have you ever smelled a perfume and cried or felt like fighting for your country?
Have you ever eaten a nice steak and were moved to tears to fight for a cause?
Have you ever touched anything and cried or felt like actually giving your life away?

Men and women hear music, anthems, love songs, religious and/or Godly music and they will get up and dance, tap their feet, cry or be inspired to join the army or cheer for their favorite sports team.

Music can cause riots too. Can you imagine the other senses moving you to do this? Perhaps the faculty of vision comes closest but Jesus said:

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:29


We therefore must be as prudent about what we hear as about what we
eat, see, feel, taste and smell.

Music is food for the ears . As the eyes have lids which
you can close for protecton , the ears have a plug attached called an ear-lobe to push into the orfice for prevention - except to hear true angelic voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDPwNPAV6tA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6ZSHIIHMc...feature=related
happy2Bfree
QUOTE (Voice @ Aug 23 2008, 06:19 PM) *
If one has heard the singing of actual angels and can never forget it - well,
I'm certain that was authentic, because when you have heard the real angels
sing, there is nothing like it.

It is a sound that is almost ... organic, touchable. At its core it is - worship.

But always, beloved family of God -

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mwest/071221


In any case it has happened twice to me. The first time
it was one voice, the second time it was a crowd of them.

It happened on the one occasion when I was completing
a combination/degree in music at a university. I tried 'conversing'
with it (I was sleeping) as if in a dream but it just kept singing.
After awakening I was in awe for about a week.


I never have mentioned this before but ... that is the reason for my s/n.

That is why I actually change it from time to time - since it reminds me of that
experience long ago, and the responsibility of living up to that s/n by
standing confidently in the Word, which in song is converted via 'voice' into
different kinds of 'power'.

( I have the Psalm 37 in my profile interest section where a whole Psalm is dedicated to this)

The second time I perceived an angelic sound, it was a group of voices and I was in a beautiful park on campus when I heard it above and to the side of myself - I just stopped and stood there transfixed. Afterwards I sat in the lecture halls smiling like a mannequin for the rest of the day.

I also came to know and discern the counterfeits, which is another longer
story.

Suffice to say, it seemed as if to be the most pure form of worship.


There are seven entry points in one's head :
- one in each ear so that we listen twice as much as we speak
- only one ( in the ) mouth, so that we speak half as much as we listen
- one hole (pupil) in each eye to let light/photons in, to create seratonin/melatonin
for sleeping and dreaming
- two holes (nostrils) in the nose to let in air (ruach, in hebrew) - and each
nostril dilates alternately every 90 minutes to equally ' inspire' the sinuses and lungs (notice that when you have a head cold each nostril unplugs about every 90 minutes while the other stays almost blocked)

That equals seven holes (orfices), the number of completion, for complete physical perception.

When you were a baby there were actually eight holes since there was one other temporary opening in the top of your skull where your pulse could be felt ... that was the 8th entry point, but it is closed now since the occipital bones have locked together. Babies are perceptive listeners.



Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou established praise because of thine adversaries, to still the enemy and the avenger.
Psalm 8:2

And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
Matthew 21:16




Eight signifies eternity ('chet' - in hebrew) which is only perceived via the spirit and in hebrew, head is - 'rosh' in hebrew (crown knows this - hence her name, 'crown') signifying that which rests on the head. The type of perception of everything we smell, see, taste, feel and hear determines how we receive Divine revelation via the word of God.

But the occipital bones are now closed so, we are left with the seven orfices of perception. The one that the Lord has chosen as the primary receptor is the hearing
function of the ears.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 4:23

Hear O Israel: The LORD is our God. The LORD is the only God.
Deuteronomy 6:4


How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:14


Only when one has heard the word and decided how to believe it can they see and eat the word of God...

O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that believeth in Him.
Psalm 34:8


So then, hearing (' Li-Shmoah ' in hebrew) is the perceptive faculty of receiving
those angelic voices, and most importantly of receiving and digesting God's word.


Have you ever smelled a perfume and cried or felt like fighting for your country?
Have you ever eaten a nice steak and were moved to tears to fight for a cause?
Have you ever touched anything and cried or felt like actually giving your life away?

Men and women hear music, anthems, love songs, religious and/or Godly music and they will get up and dance, tap their feet, cry or be inspired to join the army or cheer for their favorite sports team.

Music can cause riots too. Can you imagine the other senses moving you to do this? Perhaps the faculty of vision comes closest but Jesus said:

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:29


We therefore must be as prudent about what we hear as about what we
eat, see, feel, taste and smell.

Music is food for the ears . As the eyes have lids which
you can close for protecton , the ears have a plug attached called an ear-lobe to push into the orfice for prevention - except to hear true angelic voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDPwNPAV6tA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6ZSHIIHMc...feature=related


Voice....

When you really teach....I love reading every thing you say. Especially when you teach including the Hebrew meanings.

Todah!

I still wish I could hear the sound that you both have. smile.gif I've never heard anything like that....but I have felt a presense.

One time driving in my car when I was heading home from the Hosp.....this beautiful fragrance enveloped me...(and I was not anywhere near flowers), and I felt the car flood with peace. That is about as close as I can come to that.


zeetz
Well, well! Voice ----> Thank you for this great post smile.gif
Everything you took the time to write and share, is very much appreciated, and the 2nd Youtube video with the boys choir was simply beautiful! "I believe in angels" is a great song.

Thank you for sharing your 2 experiences with hearing the angels sing! It is an awesome thing - I had to laugh to myself when you said after the second occurrence you sat smiling like a mannequin for the rest of the day - lol! Yes, you are in awe when you encounter angelic voices and their music praising God...it just is so hard to describe for me...you did a good job relating it though.

I remembered the term "music of the spheres", which I may have used incorrectly. Didn't Beethoven write a symphony with that term in it? Help me here Voice - was it Beethoven's 5th ? 8th? There was a song we used to sing in church that had the term "the music of the spheres" in it... How I wish I could remember what the name of that hymn is!!

Thank you for the entry points into the head information! I agree with all you said and enjoyed the comments... Thanks so much and I will check out you profile for the Psalm 37 reference.

zeetz





QUOTE (Voice @ Aug 23 2008, 05:19 PM) *
If one has heard the singing of actual angels and can never forget it - well,
I'm certain that was authentic, because when you have heard the real angels
sing, there is nothing like it.

It is a sound that is almost ... organic, touchable. At its core it is - worship.

But always, beloved family of God -

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1 John 4:1

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/mwest/071221


In any case it has happened twice to me. The first time
it was one voice, the second time it was a crowd of them.

It happened on the one occasion when I was completing
a combination/degree in music at a university. I tried 'conversing'
with it (I was sleeping) as if in a dream but it just kept singing.
After awakening I was in awe for about a week.


I never have mentioned this before but ... that is the reason for my s/n.

That is why I actually change it from time to time - since it reminds me of that
experience long ago, and the responsibility of living up to that s/n by
standing confidently in the Word, which in song is converted via 'voice' into
different kinds of 'power'.

( I have the Psalm 37 in my profile interest section where a whole Psalm is dedicated to this)

The second time I perceived an angelic sound, it was a group of voices and I was in a beautiful park on campus when I heard it above and to the side of myself - I just stopped and stood there transfixed. Afterwards I sat in the lecture halls smiling like a mannequin for the rest of the day.

I also came to know and discern the counterfeits, which is another longer
story.

Suffice to say, it seemed as if to be the most pure form of worship.


There are seven entry points in one's head :
- one in each ear so that we listen twice as much as we speak
- only one ( in the ) mouth, so that we speak half as much as we listen
- one hole (pupil) in each eye to let light/photons in, to create seratonin/melatonin
for sleeping and dreaming
- two holes (nostrils) in the nose to let in air (ruach, in hebrew) - and each
nostril dilates alternately every 90 minutes to equally ' inspire' the sinuses and lungs (notice that when you have a head cold each nostril unplugs about every 90 minutes while the other stays almost blocked)

That equals seven holes (orfices), the number of completion, for complete physical perception.

When you were a baby there were actually eight holes since there was one other temporary opening in the top of your skull where your pulse could be felt ... that was the 8th entry point, but it is closed now since the occipital bones have locked together. Babies are perceptive listeners.



Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou established praise because of thine adversaries, to still the enemy and the avenger.
Psalm 8:2

And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?
Matthew 21:16




Eight signifies eternity ('chet' - in hebrew) which is only perceived via the spirit and in hebrew, head is - 'rosh' in hebrew (crown knows this - hence her name, 'crown') signifying that which rests on the head. The type of perception of everything we smell, see, taste, feel and hear determines how we receive Divine revelation via the word of God.

But the occipital bones are now closed so, we are left with the seven orfices of perception. The one that the Lord has chosen as the primary receptor is the hearing
function of the ears.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:17

If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mark 4:23

Hear O Israel: The LORD is our God. The LORD is the only God.
Deuteronomy 6:4


How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Romans 10:14


Only when one has heard the word and decided how to believe it can they see and eat the word of God...

O taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that believeth in Him.
Psalm 34:8


So then, hearing (' Li-Shmoah ' in hebrew) is the perceptive faculty of receiving
those angelic voices, and most importantly of receiving and digesting God's word.


Have you ever smelled a perfume and cried or felt like fighting for your country?
Have you ever eaten a nice steak and were moved to tears to fight for a cause?
Have you ever touched anything and cried or felt like actually giving your life away?

Men and women hear music, anthems, love songs, religious and/or Godly music and they will get up and dance, tap their feet, cry or be inspired to join the army or cheer for their favorite sports team.

Music can cause riots too. Can you imagine the other senses moving you to do this? Perhaps the faculty of vision comes closest but Jesus said:

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John 20:29


We therefore must be as prudent about what we hear as about what we
eat, see, feel, taste and smell.

Music is food for the ears . As the eyes have lids which
you can close for protecton , the ears have a plug attached called an ear-lobe to push into the orfice for prevention - except to hear true angelic voices.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDPwNPAV6tA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6ZSHIIHMc...feature=related

voice
Hi Zeetz and Chloe,
Thanks for your kindnesses.

Here is some of what I found:

QUOTE
It remains to mention Beethoven's great love of nature, his happiness in the forest, where he hastened every day, rain or shine, for there his best inspirations came unbidden. Or in walks under the stars. Carl Czerny, Beethoven's pupil for many years, recalls that the theme for the majestic Adagio in the second Rasoumowsky Quartet occurred to Beethoven one evening "as he gazed at the firmament and thought about the music of the spheres." Another old friend, Andreas Stumpff, related Beethoven's discourse on a walk out in the country:

When in the evening I contemplate the sky in wonder and the host of luminous bodies continually revolving within their orbits, suns or earths by name, then my spirit rises beyond these constellations . . . to the primeval source from which all creation flows and from which new creations shall flow eternally. . . . The spirit must rise from the earth, in which for a time the divine spark is confined, and much like the field to which the ploughman entrusts precious seed, it must flower and bear many fruits, and, thus multiplied, rise again towards the source from which it has flown. -- Letters, Journals

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:Oz-PaJ...lient=firefox-a




QUOTE
The String Quartet No. 8 in E minor by Ludwig van Beethoven, opus 59, no. 2, was the second of three of his "Razumovsky" cycle of string quartets, and is a product of his "middle" style period. He published it in 1806[ citation needed ].

It is in four movements:

  1. Allegro
  2. Molto Adagio (Si tratta questo pezzo con molto di sentimento)
  3. Allegretto (second section "Maggiore — Theme russe")
  4. Finale, Presto
According to Carl Czerny, the second movement of the quartet occurred to Beethoven as he contemplated the starry sky and thought of the music of the spheres (Thayer, Life of Beethoven); it has a hymnlike quality reminiscent of a much later devotion, the "Heiliger Dankgesang" hymn to the Divine in the Quartet Op. 132.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_Quarte...._8_(Beethoven)


There are a number of Music of the Spheres societies:
QUOTE
What is the "Music of the Spheres?"

The phrase “music of the spheres” refers to the intertwined relationship between the structures of music and those of the physical world, and a conscious awareness of mystical or spiritual qualities being transmitted through composed sound.

All music consists of a form of dualism, an aural yin and yang in which consonance is inextricably linked with its complementary force of dissonance; one does not meaningfully exist without the other. Dissonance provokes a form of tension - an unsettled relation in the notes of music - and is relieved by the consonance of resolution. We hear this whether we are listening to Bach, Mozart, Bartók or Applebaum, although the balance is often shifted towards dissonance in post-20th century music, perhaps in reflection of societal conflicts.

http://www.musicofthespheres.org/Whatismots.htm


Love in Him to you both
voice
Miki
I see a great amount of emotialism and not much rational thinking when it come to receiving an interpretation of dream..... Which isn't just an interpretation but come with a teaching. Have you really researched where these things are coming from?
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Miki @ Aug 24 2008, 08:03 AM) *
I see a great amount of emotialism and not much rational thinking when it come to receiving an interpretation of dream..... Which isn't just an interpretation but come with a teaching. Have you really researched where these things are coming from?




Thank you, Miki :

From my childhood, God (IHVH), through the Holy Ghost, guided me from childhood not understanding
unto profound Emory University proof, that 8.8 % of the public have precognitive dreams. And
for the reader's, I was one of the test subjects, interviewed in Atlanta, concerning this 10 year
paid scientific research. Which started out to disprove precognitive dreams, then Dr. Ryback
took his orthodox 10 year findings and bridged his research with a dream book, to help the
dreamers like myself, have validation in academic naysaying.

And Dr. Ryback, assisted me to document my research and message about : The Lost Madonna




Praise to the Father (IHVH)


http://eyesofthemadonna.blogspot.com/2008/...felden-box.html
Then as a Emory University doctor, assisted me with a manuscript called,
"The Lost Madonna", about me (Betty) being the `eyes of the Madonna` through a portrait I discovered, which had been lost to the Spencer family since the 1850's, then recovered in 1994, by the Italian police. This story is a type of reverse Dorian Gray, theme.






http://biobettyculpepperclark.blogspot.com...s-messages.html

Visions, dreams, messages . . .
( this section is a work in progress, I am sorting files to locate
and place subject matter for this topic : VISIONS, DREAMS, MESSAGES )




Dedicated To Fere & Mike: Jeff G. Dies October 2001, ~angel figurine turns around in the curio cabinet~
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry226702
Aug 23 2008, 08:23 PM
See 10 year Emory University Study . . .

CONCLUSION : 8.8 %


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precognitive_dreams

Dr. David Ryback, a psychologist in Atlanta, used a questionnaire survey approach to investigate precognitive dreaming in college students. His survey of over 433 participants showed that 290 or 66.9 percent reported some form of paranormal dream. Using very rigid standards, Dr. Ryback examined those responding to the survey. He rejected many of these claims and reached a conclusion that 8.8 percent of the population was having actual precognitive dreams. [3]


http://biobettyculpepperclark.blogspot.com...ce-baptism.html
NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCE + BAPTISM
I was raised a Protestant from birth. Which was my
training in scripture and Bible stories like King David stones
the Giant, The Flood with Noah, Jesus in the manger, ect...Trust
me, from my ~birth~ I have been grounded in the teachings of
Old and New Testament Law.

When I was a nine[9] year old child, swimming with children
at a loading boat ramp in Northern Alabama, with several mothers
watching on the river bank, over 20[twenty] witnesses
verified my near death drowning.

Unlike, what you may have read about NDE [near death experience],
I stayed on earth. Well not really, I could see the children
and mothers on the river bank from the tree top.
Yes, I could hear the private conversations of the mothers
and the laughter with playing and splashing of the water
via the children.
When the angel pushed me out of the water, from my foot caught
under my back [ I was stuck bent backwards, I totally emerged
and like a rocket f o r c e d to the surface ].
The water was gushing and gushing from my mouth into the
the screaming faces of the children. Like a horror film
I could not stop the gushing and force of the expelled water
and I pivoted left and right spraying water from the
gushing from my mouth, onto the terrified childrens faces.
Finally, in what was I am sure seconds, later recalling
being told not to ever discuss what I heard the women
on the river bank discussing [very adult issues].

By the way, no paramedic was needed. The force that jolted
me from the water knocked all the water out of my lungs.
When delivered to my mother and father with this news, I
was directed to keep this talk about an angel, my viewing
from the tree top and most important, the adults could not
figure out how I was under the water drowning and heard
the very risque` conversations I could repeat e l o q u e n t l y.
Miki
Well C7..I haven't seen you receive any of the correction l've offered you on this forum,
so if you're thanking me in advance than you're welcome.

Otherwise l offer caution to anyone reading your posts and teachings on dream interpretation and scientific decoding methods of scripture and other spurious topics you start.

crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Miki @ Aug 25 2008, 08:22 AM) *
Well C7..I haven't seen you receive any of the correction l've offered you on this forum,
so if you're thanking me in advance than you're welcome.

Otherwise l offer caution to anyone reading your posts and teachings on dream interpretation and scientific decoding methods of scripture and other spurious topics you start.



In response Sister,

I will respond with your common sense post: `About this forum` . . . thank you !

And God (IHVH) has opened my answer to you and the reader's you are warning about my mission.

Praise to His Holy Name (IHVH)



~how God(ihvh) Uses The Babylonians, The Debate, the obnoxious,
for His Divine Purpose, do you ?~
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22668&hl=






MIKI
About This Forum
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22669&hl=


Let me say one last thing.. there is way to much arguing in the flesh here. Don't you know it makes people change the channel...Personal petty bantering...boy it's getting old. And topics started about the same old fights. Good grief..drop it already.

Here's a suggestion...when someone starts in this way, just walk away. Don't talk to the person.
By talking you keep it going. (I'm talking about personal things).

Why don't we all turn over a new leaf...speaking up when someone is selling a different gospel and not speaking when to much flesh enters the conversation.

Let's try to respect who's already talking by joining in and not start so many different strings.

If you think something is evil..make it known and back away after you've thoroughly made your point.

This post has been edited by Miki: Today, 08:16 AM
Miki
I have nothing to discuss with you.

I will continue to make my observation known from time to time but l won't (and haven't) followed you around from post to post.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Melangel @ May 4 2008, 05:48 PM) *
I don't really feel I need this dream interpreted but feel free if you see something in it that I have not gotten out of it. I just thought it would be nice to share.
First when I had this dream (around the age of 5) I was living in foster care a home I was later adopted into and life was not very good at all for us. Some days better then others and I wish I could remember what sort of day I'd had the night I had this dream but I cannot.

It was a short dream and rather strange in the fact I could feel the wind and smell my surroundings you know like I was really there. I dreamed I was standing outside in the front of the house where I lived in my nightgown with a small suitcase in my hand. Clearly I had packed my belongings. In front of me was a tree my sisters and I spent our days climbing. We called this tree the monkey tree probably because we looked like little monkeys hanging from the branches. This tree had been climbed so much there was not much bark left on it. But in my dream standing on every branch was an angel all in white. From the lowest branch to the highest and it was no small tree. On the ground in front of the tree was another angel. I never spoke to them, nor was I frightened by what I saw nor even really surprsed to see them. I expected them to be there and there they were. The angel on the ground spoke to me though I don't remember his mouth moving. He said only something like We have not come for you yet.

And then I woke up. Short but a dream I have looked back on my whole life and have never forgotten. I know it was a dream though it seemed so real. It's strange I guess that I did not fear the dream and think I was soon to die or some such. It had nothing of death about it. That dream brought my young life comfort I probably needed that day and has brought me comfort in the memory of it since.





angels of God were ascending and descending


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Ladder

The description of Jacob's ladder appears in the Book of Genesis (28:11-19):

Jacob left Beersheba, and went toward Haran. He came to the place and stayed there that night, because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones of the place, he put it under his head and lay down in that place to sleep. And he dreamed that there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it! And behold, the Lord stood above it [or "beside him"] and said, "I am the Lord, the God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the land on which you lie I will give to you and to your descendants; and your descendants shall be like the dust of the earth, and you shall spread abroad to the west and to the east and to the north and to the south; and by you and your descendants shall all the families of the earth bless themselves. Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go, and will bring you back to this land; for I will not leave you until I have done that of which I have spoken to you." Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, "Surely the Lord is in this place; and I did not know it." And he was afraid, and said, "This is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven."

Afterwards, Jacob names the place, "Bethel" (literally, "House of God"). The name "House of God" and the term "gate of heaven" also allude to the Holy Temple which would be built on that location in the future.
ThisWind
The Word states clearly that all Glory belongs to God. Angel worshippers are in the wrong camp.
Why? Because the very Word of God says so.
crownsevenalphabet
Why Did The Angels Of God, Ascend&descend @bethel, How is Bethal
Stone of Jacob, related to Benjamin ?
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=22679&hl=
crownsevenalphabet
WHO OR WHAT ARE ANGELS?
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html
The word “angel” actually comes from the Greek word aggelos, which means “messenger.” The matching Hebrew word mal'ak has the same meaning.

Sometimes, the Bible uses these words for human beings:

ordinary people who carry messages (Job 1:14; Luke 7:24; 9:52)
prophets (Isaiah 42:19; Malachi 3:1)
priests (Malachi 2:7)
church leaders (Rev 1:20)
Sometimes, it speaks figuratively of things or events as “messengers”…

the pillar of cloud (Exodus 14:19)
pestilence or plagues (2 Samuel 24:16-17)
But it usually describes the whole range of spirits whom God has created, including both good and evil angels, and special categories such as cherubim, seraphim, and the archangel.

Angels are mentioned at least 108 times in the Old Testament and 165 times in the New Testament (Chafer, Systematic Theology, II, 3). Hence, there is ample information available in Scripture to allow us to build a foundation for our knowledge of angelic beings.
ThisWind
As you should know, one third of the angels has fallen out of Heaven.
So turn to God, the only safe place.
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (ThisWind @ Aug 25 2008, 02:03 PM) *
As you should know, one third of the angels has fallen out of Heaven.
So turn to God, the only safe place.




Angels can take on the appearance of men when the occasion demands. How else could some “entertain angels unaware” (Hebrews 13:2)? On the other hand, their appearance is sometimes in dazzling white and blazing glory (Matthew 28:2-4).
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html
voice
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7




Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares .
Hebrews 13:2


And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Revelation 22:8,9



Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
Exodus 23:20,21




11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Psalm 91:11-13







But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded to speak,
or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deuteronomy 18:20
crownsevenalphabet
QUOTE (Voice @ Aug 25 2008, 10:20 PM) *
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:7




Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares .
Hebrews 13:2


And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Revelation 22:8,9



Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
Exodus 23:20,21




11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Psalm 91:11-13







But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded to speak,
or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
Deuteronomy 18:20



Thank you, Voice :

The sound of angel's . . . rustling in the Fig Tree are upon us . . .

Praise His Holy Name (IHVH)

voice
And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are healthy need not a physician; but they that are sick.

Luke 5:31



1I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.2My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.3He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.4Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.5The LORD is thy keeper: the LORD is thy shade upon thy right hand.6The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.7The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.8The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.

Psalm 121:1-8




And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

Luke 11:9



For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:7




For whether we are beside ourselves, it is unto God; or whether we are of sober mind, it is unto you.

2 Corinthians 5:13




For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

John 5:4




False prophets were among God's people [in the past], as false teachers will be among you. They will secretly bring in their own destructive teachings. They will deny the Lord, who has bought them, and they will bring themselves swift destruction.

2 Peter 2:1
crownsevenalphabet

Thank you Voice, The waters of this pool reflect the Sinaitic law, which was "given by the disposition of angels"; that law which promised "life" to him who did all that it enjoined.

http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/John/john_17.htm
"Waiting for the moving of the water." Surely this is not hard to interpret. This pool was the object in which the great multitude placed all their hopes. They were waiting for its waters to be "troubled" so that its curative property might heal them. But they waited in vain. The one invalid who is singled out from the crowd had been there "a long time," and little had it availed him. Is it not thus with the ordinances of the religious world? How many there are—"a great multitude" indeed—which place their faith in the waters of baptism, or in the ‘mass’ and ‘extreme unction’! And a long time all such will have to wait before the deep need of their souls will be met.

"For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the waters stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had" (John 5:4). We return now to the Jewish application of our passage. The waters of this pool reflect the Sinaitic law, which was "given by the disposition of angels"; that law which promised "life" to him who did all that it enjoined. But whoever kept the law? Whoever obtained life by meeting its demands? None of Adam’s fallen race. The law was "weak through the flesh." A perfect man could keep it, but a sinner could not. Why, then, was the law given? That the offense might abound; that sin might be shown to be exceeding sinful; that the sinner might discover his sinfulness. His very efforts to keep the law, and his repeated failures to do so, would but make manifest his utter helplessness. In like manner, when the angel troubled the water of Bethesda so that the first to step into it might be made whole, this only magnified the sufferings of those who lay around it. How could those who were "impotent" step in! Ah! they could not. Was, then, God mocking man in his misery? Nay, verily. He was but preparing the way for that which was "better" (Heb. 11:40). And this is what is brought before us in what follows.
voice
5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

6When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,

7And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

8The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?

9Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

10Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?

11He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.


John 9:5-11




1Now Naaman, captain of the host of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable, because by him the LORD had given deliverance unto Syria: he was also a mighty man in valour, but he was a leper.

2And the Syrians had gone out by companies, and had brought away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid; and she waited on Naaman's wife.