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Rick L
Cryptozoology is the study of animals that aren't officially recognized as existing by the scientific community. Science requires a body before it will accept a new species. Native accounts of the Mountain Gorilla were ridiculed by Europeans until a german explorer shot two of them at the turn of the last century. In addition to native accounts, much of the anecdotal evidence for the existence of unproven animal species comes from credible witnesses like police officers, game wardens, military officers, and pilots. There are also a number of multiple witness accounts, and some physical evidence. What's interesting from a Biblical standpoint, is that the descriptions of many of these animals match known animals from the fossil record that have supposedly been extinct for thousands or millions of years. The coelocanth is a large fish that scientists said was extinct for 60,000,000 years until one turned up in a fisherman's net. Three more have been caught since the first one. In most cases, the witnesses didn't know that the animals they described resembled long "extinct" species. In Job 40:15-24 we find a description of Behemoth. Most Bible scholars believe this describes an elephant or a hippo. There is a glaring problem with this explanation though. In verse 17 we read, "He moveth his tail like a cedar". Elephants and Hippos have tiny tails in proportion to their bodies. It's very unlikely that anyone would compare their tails to cedar trees. The RSV Bible translates this verse as "He makes his tail stiff like a cedar". Sauropod dinosaurs like Brontosaurus had massive stiff tails that could well be compared to cedar trees. Many tribes in central Africa describe a creature resembling a sauropod that lives in remote, and largely inaccesible swamps and lakes. The trek back into these areas is very hard and very dangerous, few white men have attempted it. Noted cryptozoologist Roy Mackal led an expedition to find "Mokele Mbembe" as the natives call it. He interviewed many tribesmen in the area, and showed them pictures of animals. The pictures were a mix of native species like leopards and elephants, and non-native species like bears and bison with a picture of a brontosaurus thrown in. All the natives correctly noted that they had never seen bears or bison, but when it came to the brontosaurus, they matter-of-factly identified it as being a local animal along with the other native species. There are many other examples of "extinct" species possibly surviving into modern times. There are some good books out there on the subject. Even Bigfoot has at least two possible counterparts in the fossil record. There is still enough wilderness in the world to hide large animals. Three primitive, and previously unknown types of hoofed mammals were discovered in remote forests in Viet-Nam in the past 15 years. Wilderness areas may well hold proof that the secular evolutionists, and their "scriptures", are wrong.

Rick
Preacherchick99
Dang that's some good stuff!

Mind if I show this link to ppl who aren't really fond of creationism? biggrin.gif
God's Lamb
That was really interesting.......know anything about the "mothman"((?)) unsure.gif Being in the Northwest...stories of big foot.....my friend saw one....scared her to death....(not quite... biggrin.gif )....she was by herself on the walk....when she saw it.....ran back and told her father....she took him to the place....they found some hair....took to the Universtiy of Wahington to annalize it .....they couldn't name it.....later all the evidence disappeared. blink.gif But, I believe there is something to the stories..... huh.gif God Bless marie
C
QUOTE(Rick L @ Feb 2 2004, 07:28 PM)
Cryptozoology is the study of animals that aren't officially recognized as existing by the scientific community.  Science requires a body before it will accept a new species.  Native accounts of the Mountain Gorilla were ridiculed by Europeans until a german explorer shot two of them at the turn of the last century.  In addition to native accounts, much of the anecdotal evidence for the existence of unproven animal species comes from credible witnesses like police officers, game wardens, military officers, and pilots.  There are also a number of multiple witness accounts, and some physical evidence.  What's interesting from a Biblical standpoint, is that the descriptions of many of these animals match known animals from the fossil record that have supposedly been extinct for thousands or millions of years.  The coelocanth is a large fish that scientists said was extinct for 60,000,000 years until one turned up in a fisherman's net.  Three more have been caught since the first one.  In most cases, the witnesses didn't know that the animals they described resembled long "extinct" species.  In Job 40:15-24 we find a description of Behemoth.  Most Bible scholars believe this describes an elephant or a hippo.  There is a glaring problem with this explanation though.  In verse 17 we read, "He moveth his tail like a cedar".  Elephants and Hippos have tiny tails in proportion to their bodies.  It's very unlikely that anyone would compare their tails to cedar trees.  The RSV Bible translates this verse as "He makes his tail stiff like a cedar".  Sauropod dinosaurs like Brontosaurus had massive stiff tails that could well be compared to cedar trees.  Many tribes in central Africa describe a creature resembling a sauropod that lives in remote, and largely inaccesible swamps and lakes.  The trek back into these areas is very hard and very dangerous, few white men have attempted it.  Noted cryptozoologist Roy Mackal led an expedition to find "Mokele Mbembe" as the natives call it.  He interviewed many tribesmen in the area, and showed them pictures of animals.  The pictures were a mix of native species like leopards and elephants, and non-native species like bears and bison with a picture of a brontosaurus thrown in.  All the natives correctly noted that they had never seen bears or bison, but when it came to the brontosaurus, they matter-of-factly identified it as being a local animal along with the other native species.  There are many other examples of "extinct" species possibly surviving into modern times.  There are some good books out there on the subject.  Even Bigfoot has at least two possible counterparts in the fossil record.  There is still enough wilderness in the world to hide large animals.  Three primitive, and previously unknown types of hoofed mammals were discovered in remote forests in Viet-Nam in the past 15 years.  Wilderness areas may well hold proof that the secular evolutionists, and their "scriptures", are wrong.

Rick
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Here is a reply from dragonic-c that I deleted , but I am returning it to the forum.So its under my name instead of D-c's.
Cornelius

Rich,
One of the most famous cryptids of all time, the loch ness monster has a Christian connection in that Saint Columba suppposedly ordered the creature not to harm a man it was chasing in the water. When this account was originally written it was called a "dragon" just as the enigmatic reptilian creatures mentioned throughout the Bible. Some of these "dragons" clearly seem to be heavenly creatures, such as the dragons mentioned "singing praises to God" in the Book of Psalms. If the St. Columba story is true, perhaps the creature in the loch was also one of these heavenly, Seraphim dragons, and therefore understood St. Columba's words. That the dragon was chasing a man may be because all of the humans in that region were still Pagans except for St. Columba.

The creature sent by God to swallow Jonah, may have also been one of the heavenly dragons as attested in every ancient Christian representation of Jonah, despite the fact that these people were completely familiar with whales and fish. One possible proof of this is the fact that the serpent/dragon of Eden, the dragon Satan in the book of Job, and the "sea monster/dragon" in Jonah are the only non-human or non-angelic creatures which God actually speaks to. In one other account not in the bible but in associated ancient Hebraic literature, God commands another dragon to swallow Moses for not circumcising his Son, but his wife Zipporah does so, and God commands the creature to "Spew him out". We can see where this account may have been placed in the Bible, because the punishment of God is not mentioned, but only that God sought to harm Moses.
Miki


QUOTE(Rick L @ Feb 2 2004, 05:28 PM)
Cryptozoology is the study of animals that aren't officially recognized as existing by the scientific community.  Science requires a body before it will accept a new species.  Native accounts of the Mountain Gorilla were ridiculed by Europeans until a german explorer shot two of them at the turn of the last century.  In addition to native accounts, much of the anecdotal evidence for the existence of unproven animal species comes from credible witnesses like police officers, game wardens, military officers, and pilots.  There are also a number of multiple witness accounts, and some physical evidence.  What's interesting from a Biblical standpoint, is that the descriptions of many of these animals match known animals from the fossil record that have supposedly been extinct for thousands or millions of years.  The coelocanth is a large fish that scientists said was extinct for 60,000,000 years until one turned up in a fisherman's net.  Three more have been caught since the first one.  In most cases, the witnesses didn't know that the animals they described resembled long "extinct" species.  In Job 40:15-24 we find a description of Behemoth.  Most Bible scholars believe this describes an elephant or a hippo.  There is a glaring problem with this explanation though.  In verse 17 we read, "He moveth his tail like a cedar".  Elephants and Hippos have tiny tails in proportion to their bodies.  It's very unlikely that anyone would compare their tails to cedar trees.  The RSV Bible translates this verse as "He makes his tail stiff like a cedar".  Sauropod dinosaurs like Brontosaurus had massive stiff tails that could well be compared to cedar trees.  Many tribes in central Africa describe a creature resembling a sauropod that lives in remote, and largely inaccesible swamps and lakes.  The trek back into these areas is very hard and very dangerous, few white men have attempted it.  Noted cryptozoologist Roy Mackal led an expedition to find "Mokele Mbembe" as the natives call it.  He interviewed many tribesmen in the area, and showed them pictures of animals.  The pictures were a mix of native species like leopards and elephants, and non-native species like bears and bison with a picture of a brontosaurus thrown in.  All the natives correctly noted that they had never seen bears or bison, but when it came to the brontosaurus, they matter-of-factly identified it as being a local animal along with the other native species.  There are many other examples of "extinct" species possibly surviving into modern times.  There are some good books out there on the subject.  Even Bigfoot has at least two possible counterparts in the fossil record.  There is still enough wilderness in the world to hide large animals.  Three primitive, and previously unknown types of hoofed mammals were discovered in remote forests in Viet-Nam in the past 15 years.  Wilderness areas may well hold proof that the secular evolutionists, and their "scriptures", are wrong.

Rick
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I can't wait to find out what else they find there. People think Noah didn't have dino aboard...

Science team finds 'lost world'

An international team of scientists says it has found a "lost world" in the Indonesian jungle that is home to dozens of new animal and plant species.
"It's as close to the Garden of Eden as you're going to find on Earth," said Bruce Beehler, co-leader of the group.

The team recorded new butterflies, frogs, and a series of remarkable plants that included five new palms and a giant rhododendron flower.

The survey also found a honeyeater bird that was previously unknown to science.


It's beautiful, untouched, unpopulated forest; there's no evidence of human impact or presence
Dr Bruce Beehler, Conservation International

The research group - from the US, Indonesia and Australia - trekked through an area in the mist-shrouded Foja Mountains, located just north of the vast Mamberamo Basin of north-western (Indonesian) New Guinea.
The researchers spent nearly a month in the locality, detailing the wildlife and plant life from the lower hills to near the summit of the Foja range, which reaches more than 2,000m in elevation.

"It's beautiful, untouched, unpopulated forest; there's no evidence of human impact or presence up in these mountains," Dr Beehler told the BBC News website.


"We were dropped in by helicopter. There's not a trail anywhere; it was really hard to get around."
He said that even two local indigenous groups, the Kwerba and Papasena people, customary landowners of the forest who accompanied the scientists, were astonished at the area's isolation.

"The men from the local villages came with us and they made it clear that no one they knew had been anywhere near this area - not even their ancestors," Mr Beehler said.

Unafraid of humans

One of the team's most remarkable discoveries was a honeyeater bird with a bright orange patch on its face - the first new bird species to be sighted on the island of New Guinea in more than 60 years.

The researchers also solved a major ornithological mystery - the location of the homeland of Berlepsch's six-wired bird of paradise.


First described in the late 19th Century through specimens collected by indigenous hunters from an unknown location on New Guinea, the species had been the focus of several subsequent expeditions that failed to find it.
On only the second day of the team's expedition, the amazed scientists watched as a male Berlepsch's bird of paradise performed a mating dance for an attending female in the field camp.

It was the first time a live male of the species had been observed by Western scientists, and proved that the Foja Mountains was the species' true home.

"This bird had been filed away and forgotten; it had been lost. To rediscover it was, for me, in some ways, more exciting than finding the honeyeater. I spent 20 years working on birds of paradise; they're pretty darn sexy beasts," Dr Beehler enthused.

The team also recorded a golden-mantled tree kangaroo, which was previously thought to have been hunted to near-extinction.


Mr Beehler said some of the creatures the team came into contact with were remarkably unafraid of humans.
Two long-beaked echidnas, primitive egg-laying mammals, even allowed scientists to pick them up and bring them back to their camp to be studied, he added.

The December 2005 expedition was organised by the US-based organisation Conservation International, together with the Indonesian Institute of Sciences.

The team says it did not have nearly enough time during its expedition to survey the area completely and intends to return later in the year.

The locality lies within a protected zone and Dr Beehler believes its future is secure in the short term.

"The key investment is the local communities. Their knowledge, appreciation and oral traditions are so important. They are the forest stewards who will look after these assets," Dr Beehler told the BBC.

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pjbaby
I love this Subject! The Dragon lore is new to me!
bogoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS5yQFqXaaY

look here prehistoric shark found in japan
bogoy
look unknown species of fish in malaysia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTs3QxAAIk

and a fallen angel ??? or just a joke but satanism did start from spain(i'll post the source later)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AveJSRL8KgQ

cryptozoology creatures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdzobY5vlsg
and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubbzbQAQQl0

and a giant aquid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKrR_xLs1pQ

look unknown species of fish in malaysia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTs3QxAAIk

and a fallen angel ??? or just a joke but satanism did start from spain(i'll post the source later)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AveJSRL8KgQ

cryptozoology creatures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdzobY5vlsg
and another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubbzbQAQQl0

and a giant aquid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKrR_xLs1pQ
THE SEVEN THUNDERS
QUOTE(Rick L @ Feb 2 2004, 12:28 PM) [snapback]829[/snapback]

Cryptozoology is the study of animals that aren't officially recognized as existing by the scientific community. Science requires a body before it will accept a new species. Native accounts of the Mountain Gorilla were ridiculed by Europeans until a german explorer shot two of them at the turn of the last century. In addition to native accounts, much of the anecdotal evidence for the existence of unproven animal species comes from credible witnesses like police officers, game wardens, military officers, and pilots. There are also a number of multiple witness accounts, and some physical evidence. What's interesting from a Biblical standpoint, is that the descriptions of many of these animals match known animals from the fossil record that have supposedly been extinct for thousands or millions of years. The coelocanth is a large fish that scientists said was extinct for 60,000,000 years until one turned up in a fisherman's net. Three more have been caught since the first one. In most cases, the witnesses didn't know that the animals they described resembled long "extinct" species. In Job 40:15-24 we find a description of Behemoth. Most Bible scholars believe this describes an elephant or a hippo. There is a glaring problem with this explanation though. In verse 17 we read, "He moveth his tail like a cedar". Elephants and Hippos have tiny tails in proportion to their bodies. It's very unlikely that anyone would compare their tails to cedar trees. The RSV Bible translates this verse as "He makes his tail stiff like a cedar". Sauropod dinosaurs like Brontosaurus had massive stiff tails that could well be compared to cedar trees. Many tribes in central Africa describe a creature resembling a sauropod that lives in remote, and largely inaccesible swamps and lakes. The trek back into these areas is very hard and very dangerous, few white men have attempted it. Noted cryptozoologist Roy Mackal led an expedition to find "Mokele Mbembe" as the natives call it. He interviewed many tribesmen in the area, and showed them pictures of animals. The pictures were a mix of native species like leopards and elephants, and non-native species like bears and bison with a picture of a brontosaurus thrown in. All the natives correctly noted that they had never seen bears or bison, but when it came to the brontosaurus, they matter-of-factly identified it as being a local animal along with the other native species. There are many other examples of "extinct" species possibly surviving into modern times. There are some good books out there on the subject. Even Bigfoot has at least two possible counterparts in the fossil record. There is still enough wilderness in the world to hide large animals. Three primitive, and previously unknown types of hoofed mammals were discovered in remote forests in Viet-Nam in the past 15 years. Wilderness areas may well hold proof that the secular evolutionists, and their "scriptures", are wrong.

Rick


Rick, wonderful research... Have you heard anything regrading this? I briefly heard yesterday on the radio that a live species of fish was recently discovered that according to Evolutionists has been extinct for 100's of millions of years and is (supposedly) "recorded" in the Geological Column as being an "extinct anscestor" to the eventual evolution of human beings. Clearly, if this is true, then the live "extinxt species" completely collapses the Evolutionary Model. Do you know anything about this latest discovery?
C
http://www.mokelembembe.com
Chloé
I love to read about Cryptozoology. I find the reports of these creatures really fascinating.

My guess is that bigfoot is the most likely candidate to be real. Way too many sightings AND native Americans have mentioned the creature. They call him sasquatch.

Superfundy
QUOTE(Rick L @ Feb 2 2004, 11:28 AM) [snapback]829[/snapback]
Science requires a body before it will accept a new species.


Interesting, seeing they will accept that speciation occurs without any visible physical change.

As if that explains diversity. rolleyes.gif
excubitor
seems like eyewitness accounts of events count for nothing these days, especially if african natives are the eyewitnesses.

I too have heard that there are vast swamps in Africa where westerners have never even been. So how can we know what lives there.

Botanists recently discovered a type of pine tree here in Australia which was firmly believed to be prehistoric. Now it has been propogated and is growing in botanic gardens and is for sale in nurseries. Its called the Wollemi pine and is nicknamed the DinoTree.

I can't see how the principle is any different. If the pattern holds true we will probably find old brontosaurus in zoos all the world over in a few years and there will be a brontosaurus breeding program reaping in millions of dollars for the "Save the Brontosaurus" fund.
Chloé
Pictures of the Wollemi Pine (Dino tree). I want one. smile.gif

http://www.mygarden.net.au/gardening-forum...llemia-nobilis/
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