It seems here lately i can't shake off temptation. I'm trying so hard, but my strength is so weak. I'll do fine, but once I'm tempted the battle goes on for hours or even days..until I lose. I barely have time for personal time with the Lord as well. Every time I mess up, I have an overwhelming resolve that I won't let it happen again... but I do. What do I do? I just messed up so I feel that resolve, but I'm frightfully sure it will fade. I need time. I need strength. I need prayer. advice. stories. experiences. wisdom. awareness. love.
I've found my worst enemy is myself. I reach for God, but then I'm yanked back into sin. My faith is so weak. Satan is...winning. Please Help Me. I don't deserve to be even a servant to God.
I feel so awful that I keep begging for forgiveness for the same thing over and over. I don't want to dissappoint my father anymore. This world is so full of hypocritical "christians". I don't want to become that!!!
Thank You
Young
Full Version: No Strength
Hello there!
In my experience, you must ask Yeshua (Jesus) to do it for you.
We are in bondage to our sins, and only faith in the purpose of Yeshua's death can break those chains. Yeshua came to set the captives free.
It's not an overnight thing either, it's a process. Until it's gone, the focus of your prayers should be to ask Yeshua to free you rather than giving you the strength to overcome. Later on, you'll have the strength to resist the initial temptations or impulses that start you down the road.
In my experience, you must ask Yeshua (Jesus) to do it for you.
We are in bondage to our sins, and only faith in the purpose of Yeshua's death can break those chains. Yeshua came to set the captives free.
It's not an overnight thing either, it's a process. Until it's gone, the focus of your prayers should be to ask Yeshua to free you rather than giving you the strength to overcome. Later on, you'll have the strength to resist the initial temptations or impulses that start you down the road.
Learn to say: "Say what?" to temptation. You will always have temptation. If you dwell upon it--either to FIGHT IT, or to RESIST IT--you are filling your mind with the wrong stuff! Just say"I had an XYZ urge. So what?" And go on with life.
Young Servant,
As sinners most of us feel like failures at times. Sometimes we make the mistake of answering that door to temptation. I am learning that the closer you become to God, the harder the devil (the little germ) will throw distractions in our way in order that we remove our focus from the Lord. When our focus is taken off the Lord than we can become pawns in satan's little game. Young servant, as a learner myself, I can offer you some advice on what I myself do.
1. I read the Bible for at least 15 minutes a day. Everybody has that much time they can give to the Lord on reading HIS HOLY WORD. The more you know and understand scriptures the more able you can fight off the devil. I am sure you remember the temptations of Jesus and what did Jesus say with each temptation: "It is written."
2. I only listen to K-love radio, a Christian station. To focus on the Lord on my drive to and from work is a real encouragement.
3. I have a few close Christian friends that I am able to be myself. You got it, I reveal my real self. (Oh what a thought. But sometimes I really need to be me, baggage and all.)
4. In order to help relieve the stress of the day, I light a candle. Candles remind me to keep lighting up the world for Jesus. And the smells of the candles help me to relax in the Lord.
5. Some time ago, I came under Spiritual attack. I came under that attack because I was doing some work for the Lord. I have come to realize that the more you do for the Lord the more the devil notices you. I suppose you can take his attention as a compliment. The little germ considers you a threat.
6. I have come to enjoy mocking satan. I call him the little germ and I refuse to show any sort of respect for him by Capitilizing his first initial.
7. When and if the little germ tries to gain hold in your life than you know you need an innoculation that Jesus can give. The little germ is such a coward that he will flee with even a threat of Jesus.
Young servant, I know you asked for some advice and not a book but I have faced temptations many times. I will keep you in my prayers.
In Christian Love,
Al
As sinners most of us feel like failures at times. Sometimes we make the mistake of answering that door to temptation. I am learning that the closer you become to God, the harder the devil (the little germ) will throw distractions in our way in order that we remove our focus from the Lord. When our focus is taken off the Lord than we can become pawns in satan's little game. Young servant, as a learner myself, I can offer you some advice on what I myself do.
1. I read the Bible for at least 15 minutes a day. Everybody has that much time they can give to the Lord on reading HIS HOLY WORD. The more you know and understand scriptures the more able you can fight off the devil. I am sure you remember the temptations of Jesus and what did Jesus say with each temptation: "It is written."
2. I only listen to K-love radio, a Christian station. To focus on the Lord on my drive to and from work is a real encouragement.
3. I have a few close Christian friends that I am able to be myself. You got it, I reveal my real self. (Oh what a thought. But sometimes I really need to be me, baggage and all.)
4. In order to help relieve the stress of the day, I light a candle. Candles remind me to keep lighting up the world for Jesus. And the smells of the candles help me to relax in the Lord.
5. Some time ago, I came under Spiritual attack. I came under that attack because I was doing some work for the Lord. I have come to realize that the more you do for the Lord the more the devil notices you. I suppose you can take his attention as a compliment. The little germ considers you a threat.
6. I have come to enjoy mocking satan. I call him the little germ and I refuse to show any sort of respect for him by Capitilizing his first initial.
7. When and if the little germ tries to gain hold in your life than you know you need an innoculation that Jesus can give. The little germ is such a coward that he will flee with even a threat of Jesus.
Young servant, I know you asked for some advice and not a book but I have faced temptations many times. I will keep you in my prayers.
In Christian Love,
Al
Dear Young,
I have similar times. " The soul is willing, yet the flesh is weak". I pray that you will trust in the Lord and walk with him. We can only truely be strong with God. So this might help you see your sin or weakness as a dark place very dark nothing can be seen. Then feel your self holding a candle, ask God to light it for you. The light kills the darkness, it cast it to the waysides. With the light you now can see and make it through the day.
It might sound stupid to you but I thought I would try. God bless you, and I will try to keep you in my prayers.
I have similar times. " The soul is willing, yet the flesh is weak". I pray that you will trust in the Lord and walk with him. We can only truely be strong with God. So this might help you see your sin or weakness as a dark place very dark nothing can be seen. Then feel your self holding a candle, ask God to light it for you. The light kills the darkness, it cast it to the waysides. With the light you now can see and make it through the day.
It might sound stupid to you but I thought I would try. God bless you, and I will try to keep you in my prayers.
Just depend on God's grace. Changing can be tough but your resolve, effort and dissatisfaction with your efforts are all good signs. In our weakness His strength is made perfect.
Hi Young Servant,
I have a sense that you opened a door inadvertently...this is why the struggle keeps coming back in this terrible way. Retrace your steps to that place and repent and the Lord will close the door.
Then your strength will be renewed in the Lords joy.
I have a sense that you opened a door inadvertently...this is why the struggle keeps coming back in this terrible way. Retrace your steps to that place and repent and the Lord will close the door.
Then your strength will be renewed in the Lords joy.
Hey, hang on! At least you admit you are sinning. Keep confessing your sins to God and ask Him to give you the strength not to sin. We all have sinned and if our spirit is saved, our mind needs to be renewed. 
Father, I lift up Young Servant to You and ask that You would help him (or her) and bless him (or her) and give him (or her) the strength to carry on and to do Your will. Be with Young Servant all the way, LORD, for Your WOrd says that you will not leave us nor forsake us.
For that, we are eternally grateful to you, LORD!
In Jesus' name, I pray!
Father, I lift up Young Servant to You and ask that You would help him (or her) and bless him (or her) and give him (or her) the strength to carry on and to do Your will. Be with Young Servant all the way, LORD, for Your WOrd says that you will not leave us nor forsake us.
For that, we are eternally grateful to you, LORD!
In Jesus' name, I pray!
Gee - I feel like a failure all the time! Just can't seem to get things right. In fact I was talking to a friend last night and I said - sometimes I don't even feel like a christian! She asked why and I told her that EVERYBODY talks about how joyful they are, their hearts are bursting with joy they're always smiling (especially when they talk about the Lord) they feel joyful etc etc and I'm like......hmmm.......did I DO it right??? I mean - where is this wonderful amount of joy??? Why don't I feel it? I mean - I feel happy at times when I manage to take in a whole sermon that speaks to me - or I get all thinky about something that's been said in a sermon....but there isn't any of this joy thing happening. Obviously I'm doing something wrong.
Apparently not. That little kernal of peace in your heart that you feel - that seems to expand sometimes when you are willing to let God take over - I have that. I used to be one of those crazy always laughing and smiling whacky people.....but over the years it's kinda just - gone. The most joyful thing I've felt in the last umpteen years has been the day my premmie baby first breast fed - I KNOW what joy feels like - but gee - if I had to feel that every day of my life - they'd lock me up! It's too overwhelming - for me anyway.
So while I do succumb to temptation - I know darn well that it's naughty and I say sorry - I'm always saying sorry at the moment. But I still maintain the ability to walk away.....IF I've had one of my 'moments' with God.
While you admit to sinning - you're doing a much better job than those christians who don't think they do sin. It's honesty and God loves honesty.
Apparently not. That little kernal of peace in your heart that you feel - that seems to expand sometimes when you are willing to let God take over - I have that. I used to be one of those crazy always laughing and smiling whacky people.....but over the years it's kinda just - gone. The most joyful thing I've felt in the last umpteen years has been the day my premmie baby first breast fed - I KNOW what joy feels like - but gee - if I had to feel that every day of my life - they'd lock me up! It's too overwhelming - for me anyway.
So while I do succumb to temptation - I know darn well that it's naughty and I say sorry - I'm always saying sorry at the moment. But I still maintain the ability to walk away.....IF I've had one of my 'moments' with God.
While you admit to sinning - you're doing a much better job than those christians who don't think they do sin. It's honesty and God loves honesty.
Two stories from the bible come to mind.
Jesus talking about the fact that the women of sin that broke her jar of onitment for him, that her sin drove her to show such great love for the master.
The part in the word that talkes about Paul, saying that it is hard, he wanting to do what is right but struggling with his flesh.
The point is you arent alone in this, all do struggle with it. We as humans tend to put sin on a scale to masure just how wrong others are than us, this in turn make things not seem so bad. Being like King David, that he was a man after G-ds own heart. We need to find ways to better ourselves.
I find that I struggle with my thoughts in diffent ways, so If I dont go around the kind of people that kindle negitive thoughts, I do much better. I struggle with controling my longings, so I keep my mind on topics that keep me from going there. I dont watch bad things that bring these things to me on tv. For if I give it ground at all, It will take over and I well fall. If you look at what makes you fall, there will always be something there that helps you get there. Like I love using the forum at night for that seems to be the time of Day I struggle, feelings, lonellness. Just like if you are on a diet, You would go into a candy store, or go around those that want to see you stay fat, or on drugs, or anything else. I know that others dont talk much about this, but I as a women struggle with lust. I find I dont talk about this with others that might help in condeming me for it. I come here and keep my mind bissy on things that will make my fash grow.
Besides this point, I note that others dont realize or just falt out ignore that most of these struggles that happen are spiritual, a fight. Fasting and prayer helps a great deal. I cant say that enough!!! For sometime I went in my marriage condeming my husband because he struggles with lust. Untill i started struggling with it too. I found that I can feel this feeling just wash over me, like something that was on me, aprassing me. I believe that these kinds of things are demons, this can come on as others have said here, out of our own sin, family sins, an area you live in, as well as how you are around. I went for some years with struggling with server anger, i would call it more rage. I know now that it was spiritual, and having to do with ties of those I was around and family members that didnt do me much good at all. Now, I am not saying it is all their falt, i am talking about those that act out in spiritaul things. You know what I mean, when you get around others that are always depressed, negitive and dont see the good in most everyone, you tend in the long run being pulled down because of these actions in them, and nto set free. I had to pull myself away from those kinds of people and find others that can left me up, and help me help meself.
You will find freedom here. I have gained alot of help, and have seen myself over come my weeknesses because of having others to talk things through. Even though there are moments here that because of being human, are hard. It does help in the long run to have a safe place to run to.
One other thing, try putting on praise music, and worshiping G-d, there is anointing and peace that comes after a time of doing this. I have fasted for my struggles and things seem to go much better after wards. Just take a note, when we are getting attacted, we must be doing something right. You are on you way, and are far from what others are, even at the point you are at. Find ways to love on Jesus, giving, singing to him, talking to him. I have even cried out when those feelings start, help, I am struggling with ... and at times it would just leave right away, other times, I could feel him there, and know that I am not alone. You arent alone. You have got to make time for him and just make apoint of changing things around. Look at how many ways there are in quiting smoking. That are many ways, ideas, the point it, when this horse (sin) throughs you, get back on and not let anything get away with tryin to control you, but the master.
I will keep you in my prayers.
Jesus talking about the fact that the women of sin that broke her jar of onitment for him, that her sin drove her to show such great love for the master.
The part in the word that talkes about Paul, saying that it is hard, he wanting to do what is right but struggling with his flesh.
The point is you arent alone in this, all do struggle with it. We as humans tend to put sin on a scale to masure just how wrong others are than us, this in turn make things not seem so bad. Being like King David, that he was a man after G-ds own heart. We need to find ways to better ourselves.
I find that I struggle with my thoughts in diffent ways, so If I dont go around the kind of people that kindle negitive thoughts, I do much better. I struggle with controling my longings, so I keep my mind on topics that keep me from going there. I dont watch bad things that bring these things to me on tv. For if I give it ground at all, It will take over and I well fall. If you look at what makes you fall, there will always be something there that helps you get there. Like I love using the forum at night for that seems to be the time of Day I struggle, feelings, lonellness. Just like if you are on a diet, You would go into a candy store, or go around those that want to see you stay fat, or on drugs, or anything else. I know that others dont talk much about this, but I as a women struggle with lust. I find I dont talk about this with others that might help in condeming me for it. I come here and keep my mind bissy on things that will make my fash grow.
Besides this point, I note that others dont realize or just falt out ignore that most of these struggles that happen are spiritual, a fight. Fasting and prayer helps a great deal. I cant say that enough!!! For sometime I went in my marriage condeming my husband because he struggles with lust. Untill i started struggling with it too. I found that I can feel this feeling just wash over me, like something that was on me, aprassing me. I believe that these kinds of things are demons, this can come on as others have said here, out of our own sin, family sins, an area you live in, as well as how you are around. I went for some years with struggling with server anger, i would call it more rage. I know now that it was spiritual, and having to do with ties of those I was around and family members that didnt do me much good at all. Now, I am not saying it is all their falt, i am talking about those that act out in spiritaul things. You know what I mean, when you get around others that are always depressed, negitive and dont see the good in most everyone, you tend in the long run being pulled down because of these actions in them, and nto set free. I had to pull myself away from those kinds of people and find others that can left me up, and help me help meself.
You will find freedom here. I have gained alot of help, and have seen myself over come my weeknesses because of having others to talk things through. Even though there are moments here that because of being human, are hard. It does help in the long run to have a safe place to run to.
One other thing, try putting on praise music, and worshiping G-d, there is anointing and peace that comes after a time of doing this. I have fasted for my struggles and things seem to go much better after wards. Just take a note, when we are getting attacted, we must be doing something right. You are on you way, and are far from what others are, even at the point you are at. Find ways to love on Jesus, giving, singing to him, talking to him. I have even cried out when those feelings start, help, I am struggling with ... and at times it would just leave right away, other times, I could feel him there, and know that I am not alone. You arent alone. You have got to make time for him and just make apoint of changing things around. Look at how many ways there are in quiting smoking. That are many ways, ideas, the point it, when this horse (sin) throughs you, get back on and not let anything get away with tryin to control you, but the master.
I will keep you in my prayers.
QUOTE(peacemaker @ Dec 11 2007, 02:08 AM) [snapback]135983[/snapback]
Two stories from the bible come to mind.
Jesus talking about the fact that the women of sin that broke her jar of onitment for him, that her sin drove her to show such great love for the master.
The part in the word that talkes about Paul, saying that it is hard, he wanting to do what is right but struggling with his flesh.
The point is you arent alone in this, all do struggle with it. We as humans tend to put sin on a scale to masure just how wrong others are than us, this in turn make things not seem so bad. Being like King David, that he was a man after G-ds own heart. We need to find ways to better ourselves.
I find that I struggle with my thoughts in diffent ways, so If I dont go around the kind of people that kindle negitive thoughts, I do much better. I struggle with controling my longings, so I keep my mind on topics that keep me from going there. I dont watch bad things that bring these things to me on tv. For if I give it ground at all, It will take over and I well fall. If you look at what makes you fall, there will always be something there that helps you get there. Like I love using the forum at night for that seems to be the time of Day I struggle, feelings, lonellness. Just like if you are on a diet, You would go into a candy store, or go around those that want to see you stay fat, or on drugs, or anything else. I know that others dont talk much about this, but I as a women struggle with lust. I find I dont talk about this with others that might help in condeming me for it. I come here and keep my mind bissy on things that will make my fash grow.
Besides this point, I note that others dont realize or just falt out ignore that most of these struggles that happen are spiritual, a fight. Fasting and prayer helps a great deal. I cant say that enough!!! For sometime I went in my marriage condeming my husband because he struggles with lust. Untill i started struggling with it too. I found that I can feel this feeling just wash over me, like something that was on me, aprassing me. I believe that these kinds of things are demons, this can come on as others have said here, out of our own sin, family sins, an area you live in, as well as how you are around. I went for some years with struggling with server anger, i would call it more rage. I know now that it was spiritual, and having to do with ties of those I was around and family members that didnt do me much good at all. Now, I am not saying it is all their falt, i am talking about those that act out in spiritaul things. You know what I mean, when you get around others that are always depressed, negitive and dont see the good in most everyone, you tend in the long run being pulled down because of these actions in them, and nto set free. I had to pull myself away from those kinds of people and find others that can left me up, and help me help meself.
You will find freedom here. I have gained alot of help, and have seen myself over come my weeknesses because of having others to talk things through. Even though there are moments here that because of being human, are hard. It does help in the long run to have a safe place to run to.
One other thing, try putting on praise music, and worshiping G-d, there is anointing and peace that comes after a time of doing this. I have fasted for my struggles and things seem to go much better after wards. Just take a note, when we are getting attacted, we must be doing something right. You are on you way, and are far from what others are, even at the point you are at. Find ways to love on Jesus, giving, singing to him, talking to him. I have even cried out when those feelings start, help, I am struggling with ... and at times it would just leave right away, other times, I could feel him there, and know that I am not alone. You arent alone. You have got to make time for him and just make apoint of changing things around. Look at how many ways there are in quiting smoking. That are many ways, ideas, the point it, when this horse (sin) throughs you, get back on and not let anything get away with tryin to control you, but the master.
I will keep you in my prayers.
You know the LORD our GOD does love our honesty more than anything else I suppose and of course Faith that whatever is binding us he is willing as we surrender daily, to set us free from.
Thou we walk through the Shadow of Death
We shall fear no evil
Thy rod and thy staff they comfort me
Yes the Comforter, he abides in you and Will do a WORK a Mighty WORK, why
Because there is NO THING, NO WEAPON that shall prosper against you and I
NO NOTHING NO THING, can separate us from the LOVE of a MIGHTY GOD. who works, a mighty work within us all.
Make straight our Paths dear LORD, we give you all the Glory and Honor, in you Holy Name Jesus, we pray for all to Come, Come to the Living waters....that flow from the Throne of our Heavenly Father. we ask and pray for all that come here to this site...that they Come and See and Taste the Richness of your Embrace. Amen
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 7 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]135304[/snapback]
Hi Young Servant,
I have a sense that you opened a door inadvertently...this is why the struggle keeps coming back in this terrible way. Retrace your steps to that place and repent and the Lord will close the door.
Then your strength will be renewed in the Lords joy.
Lord we ask you come and close doors that we open. We ask in you Holy Name Jesus, to remove anything in our lives hindering us in our walk with you. We come to your feet LORD....we want to be your feet and hands for you Glory. Lead us not into temptation but Deliver us from evil...For thine is the Kingdom, and thine is the Glory and the Power forever and ever amen.
Give us every opportunity LORD to be a living sacrifice for you glory and honor. We want less of us Jesus, and ask for no want but you in Us, and Us in You. and all your ways we pray for you contenance...We are in reverence and awe of you.Amen
hello precious young friend, I am encouraged and blessed by your desire to walk right before the Lord. it is an honor to hear of your determination to get purified and undefiled and cleaned by Him. it shows to me and all who hear from you that the Lord truely has granted you repentance from your sin and it is not you who sins any longer but the sin that remains in your flesh..please dont think that i am saying that you can sin and say your not but let me show you what the bible says about this thing.
the entire chapter from roman 7 is posted below, i have given some coments to make easier some of the verses to understand, but this is the chapter that can and does free us from the condemnation of temtation and falling to sin when we our selves are against it...Jesus died and gave us the right to over come this sin that is in our flesh and we must confess this sin, but it is not our sin...it is not a willful sin, it is the sin that happens when our nature is what we know more then what Gods words says so that we can not yet fight against that very nature....I Ask God to give you eyes and ears to see and understand what promises are in this part of His word that our yours if you will believe them...
Rom 7:1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
There are two laws according to the bible, the Law of Love and the law of Sin
the Law of The Spirit and the law of the letter
Rom 7:23 Rom 7:25 Rom 8:2 Rom 7:6
the verse above applys to both laws depending on which one you live under
Rom 7:2 For the woman which has a physical husband is bound by the law to [her] physical husband so long as he lives; but if the physical husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] physical husband .
Rom 7:3 So then if, while [her] physical husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her physical husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;(a type of physical husband ) that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead(spiritual husband), that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (The fruit of the Spirit, the Fruit of Christ, the spiritual fruit of our spiritual husband)
This may not yet seem to apply but for the Love of Gods Good gifts bear with me my precious friend.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh,(Married to the flesh, a type of physical husband) the motions of sins,<<<what your experianceing which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. <<<not the fruit of the Law of Christ the fruit of the Law of death
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered<<we died in baptism by faith with Christ and it is no long us that lives but Christ that lives in us. Gal 2:20 from the law, <<<the law of flesh that being dead << by faith wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, << the law the Spirit, Christ. and not [in] the oldness of the letter. << the law of the letter, our flesh
The bible is called a cursing and blessing,Deu 30:19 if we read it in the flesh/letter it is a cursing if we read it in the Spirit/Christ it is a blessing. some people show how doing what is in the bible on the surface can still be unrighteous while doing what is in the bible beneath the surface is righteous. some say that you can just sin, cause God does not see you, he only sees the blood of His son. and while Jesus came to save us from our sins and wash us clean from our sins, He also came to teach us to take controll of our bodies and not let them have reign over us.Gal. 5:22-25 .land in the bible is a place of possesion...to take it for a possesion. land is a type of our body. it is that land where the kingdom of God is ..it is where Christ lives in those who belive and it is given to us as an inheritance. ((Read all of 1peter about this inheritance and know that He is writing it directly to you)) we are to subdue it and keep it under the baptismal waters and not let it take authority over us.<<this means not agreeing with it, not listening to it, and believing the lies that it tells us to try to get us to save it. but before we learn how to from christ to do that we will find that the sins that are in that land will work to over come us and we ourselves..our soul, will hate it...because we belive christ...so read on and see how the Lord handles this.
Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law << the word of God sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: << the word of God for I had not known lust, except the law << the word of God had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
I have found that my flesh especialy likes sin that is bound by a law, another words it is so wicked and rebelious that when it is given a rule it loves all the more to break it....like a young child. before you tell them that some thing is bad, doing it is just out of curiosity, not a sin..but once you tell them...then it seems that they become ruled by there flesh to do this thing that they know they will have to pay a price for but seem unable to stop the nature in them....God did this on purpose as all things...to show us the true nature of sin..which is disbelief and disobediance. our flesh lives without fear of God and reveals in its own vainty trying always to save its self from things like bordom and hunger humilty weakness, and other things.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: << before we knew the word but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. <<< conscience was stirred
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, << the Word which [was ordained] to life,<< which is Jesus and gives life I found [to be] unto death. <<< because at first we dont know how to trust him and dont know what the new covenant says..we dont know what the law of the Spirit looks like to follow after it yet..so the Law of sin gets stirred up and becomes more sinfull seeing that its end is near because of the presented law..the Law of the Spirit....it truely is a freedom..you will see
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
Pauls sin here upon the occasion of having heard the Law of the Spirit, deceived paul and drew his flesh in to a greater sin and showed itself to be very sinful and paull..his soul...now haveing seen the spirit of the law hated that sin and was against it.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
the Word showd paul how sinful his sin was because before the Law of the Spirit in the Word He had not sin on him..Jesus said Jhn 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Its a good thing to remember that we are made of three parts....our Spirit, it is a new spirit, the Spirit of Christ. and our soul, Christ teachers our soul to control our flesh and to not permit it to be the other way around ..and our flesh, which is called the carnal man, the old man, the mind of the flesh and the old self..it is what died by faith in the waters of baptism and is also what must die daily in the sufferings of Christ by our soul casting down all of the olds mans own thoughts and works and ways and ideas and knowleged and by being renewed by the word of God which is the law of the Spirit.
Rom 7:13 ¶ Was then that which is good <<the Word made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. <<< sin is more sinful when exposed to the word and works death in us so that by the exesiveness of the sin we would be set apart from it and learn to hate it and cry against it to be delivered from it...Gods plan is awesome.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I << my flesh and old life am carnal, sold under sin. << by adam and eve
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
let me riderate this for you. that which my flesh does, my soul does not agree with, for what my soul wills to do, [i]that which is right, my flesh does not. but that which my soul hates to do, that my flesh does.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
reiteration--If then my flesh does that which my soul wills not to do, my soul consents unto the Law of the Spirit that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
reiteration--now then it is not longer my soul that does it, but sin that dwells in my flesh
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
reiteration--for my soul knows that in me (that is, in my flesh), dwells no good thing: for to will is present with my soul; but how to preform that which is good my soul find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
reiteration--for the good that my soul wills to do my flesh does not: but the evil which my soul wills not to do, that my flesh does.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
reiteration--now if my flesh does what my soul wills not to do, it is no more my soul that does it, but the sin that dwells in my flesh that does it.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
reiteration--my soul finds then a law of the Spirit, that, when my soul wills to do good, evil is present with my flesh
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
reiterateion--for my soul delights in the law of God/of the Spirit after the inward man/soul/new man in Christ
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
reiteratino--But my soul sees another law/law of sin in the members of my flesh, warring against the law of my mind/the mind of Christ, bring my soul into captivity to the law of sin which is in the members of my flesh/body
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
No Need For Reiteration
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.[/i]
The Lord bless you my freind and example in Christ. truely your feet are running the good race and I lift a joyful voice for you up before the Lord...He will keep you,,Seek him while he may be found....fear not the Lord is your strangth you sheild and your hiding place and He goes befor you in this land to couquer it for you just follow after him and agree with all that He has spoken to you...
blessings rest and peace in Jesus name
sister leisa
ps reading this again will produce even greater understanding
the entire chapter from roman 7 is posted below, i have given some coments to make easier some of the verses to understand, but this is the chapter that can and does free us from the condemnation of temtation and falling to sin when we our selves are against it...Jesus died and gave us the right to over come this sin that is in our flesh and we must confess this sin, but it is not our sin...it is not a willful sin, it is the sin that happens when our nature is what we know more then what Gods words says so that we can not yet fight against that very nature....I Ask God to give you eyes and ears to see and understand what promises are in this part of His word that our yours if you will believe them...
Rom 7:1 ¶ Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
There are two laws according to the bible, the Law of Love and the law of Sin
the Law of The Spirit and the law of the letter
Rom 7:23 Rom 7:25 Rom 8:2 Rom 7:6
the verse above applys to both laws depending on which one you live under
Rom 7:2 For the woman which has a physical husband is bound by the law to [her] physical husband so long as he lives; but if the physical husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of [her] physical husband .
Rom 7:3 So then if, while [her] physical husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her physical husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ;(a type of physical husband ) that ye should be married to another, [even] to him who is raised from the dead(spiritual husband), that we should bring forth fruit unto God. (The fruit of the Spirit, the Fruit of Christ, the spiritual fruit of our spiritual husband)
This may not yet seem to apply but for the Love of Gods Good gifts bear with me my precious friend.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh,(Married to the flesh, a type of physical husband) the motions of sins,<<<what your experianceing which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. <<<not the fruit of the Law of Christ the fruit of the Law of death
Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered<<we died in baptism by faith with Christ and it is no long us that lives but Christ that lives in us. Gal 2:20 from the law, <<<the law of flesh that being dead << by faith wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, << the law the Spirit, Christ. and not [in] the oldness of the letter. << the law of the letter, our flesh
The bible is called a cursing and blessing,Deu 30:19 if we read it in the flesh/letter it is a cursing if we read it in the Spirit/Christ it is a blessing. some people show how doing what is in the bible on the surface can still be unrighteous while doing what is in the bible beneath the surface is righteous. some say that you can just sin, cause God does not see you, he only sees the blood of His son. and while Jesus came to save us from our sins and wash us clean from our sins, He also came to teach us to take controll of our bodies and not let them have reign over us.Gal. 5:22-25 .land in the bible is a place of possesion...to take it for a possesion. land is a type of our body. it is that land where the kingdom of God is ..it is where Christ lives in those who belive and it is given to us as an inheritance. ((Read all of 1peter about this inheritance and know that He is writing it directly to you)) we are to subdue it and keep it under the baptismal waters and not let it take authority over us.<<this means not agreeing with it, not listening to it, and believing the lies that it tells us to try to get us to save it. but before we learn how to from christ to do that we will find that the sins that are in that land will work to over come us and we ourselves..our soul, will hate it...because we belive christ...so read on and see how the Lord handles this.
Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law << the word of God sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: << the word of God for I had not known lust, except the law << the word of God had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
I have found that my flesh especialy likes sin that is bound by a law, another words it is so wicked and rebelious that when it is given a rule it loves all the more to break it....like a young child. before you tell them that some thing is bad, doing it is just out of curiosity, not a sin..but once you tell them...then it seems that they become ruled by there flesh to do this thing that they know they will have to pay a price for but seem unable to stop the nature in them....God did this on purpose as all things...to show us the true nature of sin..which is disbelief and disobediance. our flesh lives without fear of God and reveals in its own vainty trying always to save its self from things like bordom and hunger humilty weakness, and other things.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: << before we knew the word but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. <<< conscience was stirred
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, << the Word which [was ordained] to life,<< which is Jesus and gives life I found [to be] unto death. <<< because at first we dont know how to trust him and dont know what the new covenant says..we dont know what the law of the Spirit looks like to follow after it yet..so the Law of sin gets stirred up and becomes more sinfull seeing that its end is near because of the presented law..the Law of the Spirit....it truely is a freedom..you will see
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
Pauls sin here upon the occasion of having heard the Law of the Spirit, deceived paul and drew his flesh in to a greater sin and showed itself to be very sinful and paull..his soul...now haveing seen the spirit of the law hated that sin and was against it.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
the Word showd paul how sinful his sin was because before the Law of the Spirit in the Word He had not sin on him..Jesus said Jhn 15:22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.
Its a good thing to remember that we are made of three parts....our Spirit, it is a new spirit, the Spirit of Christ. and our soul, Christ teachers our soul to control our flesh and to not permit it to be the other way around ..and our flesh, which is called the carnal man, the old man, the mind of the flesh and the old self..it is what died by faith in the waters of baptism and is also what must die daily in the sufferings of Christ by our soul casting down all of the olds mans own thoughts and works and ways and ideas and knowleged and by being renewed by the word of God which is the law of the Spirit.
Rom 7:13 ¶ Was then that which is good <<the Word made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. <<< sin is more sinful when exposed to the word and works death in us so that by the exesiveness of the sin we would be set apart from it and learn to hate it and cry against it to be delivered from it...Gods plan is awesome.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I << my flesh and old life am carnal, sold under sin. << by adam and eve
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
let me riderate this for you. that which my flesh does, my soul does not agree with, for what my soul wills to do, [i]that which is right, my flesh does not. but that which my soul hates to do, that my flesh does.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
reiteration--If then my flesh does that which my soul wills not to do, my soul consents unto the Law of the Spirit that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
reiteration--now then it is not longer my soul that does it, but sin that dwells in my flesh
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
reiteration--for my soul knows that in me (that is, in my flesh), dwells no good thing: for to will is present with my soul; but how to preform that which is good my soul find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
reiteration--for the good that my soul wills to do my flesh does not: but the evil which my soul wills not to do, that my flesh does.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
reiteration--now if my flesh does what my soul wills not to do, it is no more my soul that does it, but the sin that dwells in my flesh that does it.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
reiteration--my soul finds then a law of the Spirit, that, when my soul wills to do good, evil is present with my flesh
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
reiterateion--for my soul delights in the law of God/of the Spirit after the inward man/soul/new man in Christ
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
reiteratino--But my soul sees another law/law of sin in the members of my flesh, warring against the law of my mind/the mind of Christ, bring my soul into captivity to the law of sin which is in the members of my flesh/body
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
No Need For Reiteration
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.[/i]
The Lord bless you my freind and example in Christ. truely your feet are running the good race and I lift a joyful voice for you up before the Lord...He will keep you,,Seek him while he may be found....fear not the Lord is your strangth you sheild and your hiding place and He goes befor you in this land to couquer it for you just follow after him and agree with all that He has spoken to you...
blessings rest and peace in Jesus name
sister leisa
ps reading this again will produce even greater understanding
Young Servant - I know how you feel, truly...and I wish I could offer you encouraging words such as the others have.
I just wanted you to know - you are not alone in feeling like this.
I get so tired of praying and praying and getting no result. I've been praying for I don't know how many years to get hubby back to church - at least 3! and he shows no inclination whatsoever. I've prayed for resolution to our financial problems - and the more I pray for that - the worse they get. It seems the only one listening lives in hades. Sometimes I have the faith to believe He is listening...an other times - I'm positive He's not.
I was once positive that the dreams and messages I get were from God - but now....now I really don't know what to believe.
You have the strength to keep trying - to keep your head above the flood waters. Just keep paddling. Eventually you will hit solid ground. It may seem forever until it does....but the relief you will feel when you do get there will be beyond description.
I realise this is a follow on from what I've said - and even seems like a turnaround...but that's the place where my life is and I don't want anyone to think that I'm making every thing about Christianity seem peachy - nor preachy! we are after all - human. And this is the turn life has made since the new year began. Tribble after tribble after tribble. I am tired and very, very weary of it all.
Huggies
M.
I just wanted you to know - you are not alone in feeling like this.
I get so tired of praying and praying and getting no result. I've been praying for I don't know how many years to get hubby back to church - at least 3! and he shows no inclination whatsoever. I've prayed for resolution to our financial problems - and the more I pray for that - the worse they get. It seems the only one listening lives in hades. Sometimes I have the faith to believe He is listening...an other times - I'm positive He's not.
I was once positive that the dreams and messages I get were from God - but now....now I really don't know what to believe.
You have the strength to keep trying - to keep your head above the flood waters. Just keep paddling. Eventually you will hit solid ground. It may seem forever until it does....but the relief you will feel when you do get there will be beyond description.
I realise this is a follow on from what I've said - and even seems like a turnaround...but that's the place where my life is and I don't want anyone to think that I'm making every thing about Christianity seem peachy - nor preachy! we are after all - human. And this is the turn life has made since the new year began. Tribble after tribble after tribble. I am tired and very, very weary of it all.
Huggies
M.
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