The 144,000 are identified by John as virgins.
Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
…….for they are virgins.
The reference to virgins, concerning the 144,000, is not that they are virgins. Virgins is a feminine label. Can a woman be a eunuch? No, because it is a title for a person that has a certain responsibility that can only be filled the male gender. Similarly, virgin is a title that is meant exclusively for individuals of the female persuasion. So there has to be another explanation.
The Bible uses catchword that tie the different prophetic scriptures together. In this case the word virgins is a catchword. You need only go to your concordance and find another reference to virgins to get an explanation. And the answer is:
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The Parable of the Ten Virgins is a message explaining about a group of individuals that will be alive at the second coming of Christ. The parable clearly states that half of the individuals will not qualify.
Zechariah confirms this account.
Zechariah 14
The LORD Comes and Reigns
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.
1,152,000 men and women will be on Mt Zion for the duration of the GT. Half of this number will not make it.
All of the 144,000 men will make it.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Full Version: For They Are Virgins
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The 144,000 are identified by John as not being defiled by women.
Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
…….for they are virgins.
The reference to virgins, concerning the 144,000, is not that they are virgins. Virgins is a feminine label. Can a woman be a eunuch? No, because it is a title for a person that has a certain responsibility that can only be filled the male gender. Similarly, virgin is a title that is meant exclusively for individuals of the female persuasion. So there has to be another explanation.
Being virgin can and does apply to male and female. When God used "virgin" in the scripture above it is in reference to those that remained virgin....didn't fall into bed with Satan. In other words, they didn't commit adultery/idolatry with Satan. They waited for the true Christ.
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The Bible uses catchword that tie the different prophetic scriptures together. In this case the word virgins is a catchword. You need only go to your concordance and find another reference to virgins to get an explanation. And the answer is:
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
The Parable of the Ten Virgins is a message explaining about a group of individuals that will be alive at the second coming of Christ. The parable clearly states that half of the individuals will not qualify.
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
The Parable of the Ten Virgins is a message explaining about a group of individuals that will be alive at the second coming of Christ. The parable clearly states that half of the individuals will not qualify.
I agree. Those that have enough truth to get them through the tribulation will be with Christ. Those that don't realize Satan comes first won't have the oil/truth in their lamps. The door will be shut.
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Zechariah confirms this account.
Zechariah 14
The LORD Comes and Reigns
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.
1,152,000 men and women will be on Mt Zion for the duration of the GT. Half of this number will not make it.
All of the 144,000 men will make it.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Many of those in Jerusalem, and in the world, will be taken by Satan. They will spiritually be taken, raped, ransacked, etc.....spiritually! The 144,00 are not all men. They are 144,000 souls.
.........Whirlwind
Isaiah 4
1 In that day (the end of the ages)
seven women (The seven churches in Rev)
will take hold of one man (Christ Jesus)
and say, "We will eat our own food (We have our own doctrine)
and provide our own clothes; (we have our own righteousness)
only let us be called by your name. (Just call us Christians)
Take away our disgrace!" (Yes this is needed)
A virgin is somebody who do not mix the doctrines of men into the seed of the Word.
A Harlot in the Bible is when people mix more that one seed . Its adding to the Word.
Mary is a type and shadow if the virgin church bringing forth Christ , because she received only the Seed of the Word of God
The Harlot in Revelation: Its a type and shadow of all the religious churches that is not ONLY preaching the Word of God, They are mixing seed like a harlot.
1 In that day (the end of the ages)
seven women (The seven churches in Rev)
will take hold of one man (Christ Jesus)
and say, "We will eat our own food (We have our own doctrine)
and provide our own clothes; (we have our own righteousness)
only let us be called by your name. (Just call us Christians)
Take away our disgrace!" (Yes this is needed)
A virgin is somebody who do not mix the doctrines of men into the seed of the Word.
A Harlot in the Bible is when people mix more that one seed . Its adding to the Word.
Mary is a type and shadow if the virgin church bringing forth Christ , because she received only the Seed of the Word of God
The Harlot in Revelation: Its a type and shadow of all the religious churches that is not ONLY preaching the Word of God, They are mixing seed like a harlot.
QUOTE(guysmith @ Dec 4 2007, 09:20 AM) [snapback]134599[/snapback]
The 144,000 are identified by John as not being defiled by women.
Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
…….for they are virgins.
The reference to virgins, concerning the 144,000, is not that they are virgins. Virgins is a feminine label. Can a woman be a eunuch? No, because it is a title for a person that has a certain responsibility that can only be filled the male gender. Similarly, virgin is a title that is meant exclusively for individuals of the female persuasion. So there has to be another explanation.
The Bible uses catchword that tie the different prophetic scriptures together. In this case the word virgins is a catchword. You need only go to your concordance and find another reference to virgins to get an explanation. And the answer is:
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The Parable of the Ten Virgins is a message explaining about a group of individuals that will be alive at the second coming of Christ. The parable clearly states that half of the individuals will not qualify.
Zechariah confirms this account.
Zechariah 14
The LORD Comes and Reigns
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.
1,152,000 men and women will be on Mt Zion for the duration of the GT. Half of this number will not make it.
All of the 144,000 men will make it.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Virgin in that they are NOTa part of the system, that commits adultery with the ten kings of the earth, in Rev. 17. They are betrothed to the Groom, Christ Jesus, and a faithful unto him. Beit man or woman. I'm not sure how literal we can take the parable about the two being together, one being taken, and the other left. Not meaning that it won't happen, but it might not be in them exact numbers.
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The Parable of the Ten Virgins is a message explaining about a group of individuals that will be alive at the second coming of Christ. The parable clearly states that half of the individuals will not qualify.
Agreed.
And who is the groom coming for at that point??
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QUOTE(guysmith @ Dec 4 2007, 09:20 AM) [snapback]134599[/snapback]
The 144,000 are identified by John as not being defiled by women.
Revelation 14
1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
…….for they are virgins.
The reference to virgins, concerning the 144,000, is not that they are virgins. Virgins is a feminine label. Can a woman be a eunuch? No, because it is a title for a person that has a certain responsibility that can only be filled the male gender. Similarly, virgin is a title that is meant exclusively for individuals of the female persuasion. So there has to be another explanation.
The Bible uses catchword that tie the different prophetic scriptures together. In this case the word virgins is a catchword. You need only go to your concordance and find another reference to virgins to get an explanation. And the answer is:
Matthew 25
The Parable of the Ten Virgins
1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The Parable of the Ten Virgins is a message explaining about a group of individuals that will be alive at the second coming of Christ. The parable clearly states that half of the individuals will not qualify.
Zechariah confirms this account.
Zechariah 14
The LORD Comes and Reigns
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided among you.
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights in the day of battle.
1,152,000 men and women will be on Mt Zion for the duration of the GT. Half of this number will not make it.
All of the 144,000 men will make it.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Virgin in that they are a part of the system, that commits adultery with the ten kings of the earth, in Rev. 17. They are betrothed to the Groom, Christ Jesus, and a faithful unto him. Beit man or woman. I'm not sure how literal we can take the parable about the two being together, one being taken, and the other left. Not meaning that it won't happen, but it might not be in them exact numbers.
The brides maids are betrothed to the groom??
That's a switch!
Who said they were brides maids? I must have missed that part. 
I've always understood that they were the ones that Jesus was returning to be married to, collectively.
I've always understood that they were the ones that Jesus was returning to be married to, collectively.
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Who said they were brides maids? I must have missed that part.
I've always understood that they were the ones that Jesus was returning to be married to, collectively.The bride is a harem??
No, the bride is implicit in the passage.
She always had a group of maidens that waited with her.
They are probably the 144,000.
Whether they are raptured or not is a bit of a mystery, because after the 144,000 are sealed in Chp 7, then we see the great multitude in the millenial kingdom.
It is my opinion (at least for now) that they enter the marriage feast as raptured individuals, and the other virgins, (not cast into outer darkness), simply enter the kingdom in their mortal bodies; which represents the final salvation of ALL Israel IMO. The 144,000 are saved at some point prior to the cosmic signs of the 6th seal (see Rev 7:3) probably at the beginning of the tribulation (when the AOD occurs).
Rev.7 is referring to Jews that are sealed, unlike Rev. 14 which is a mix. Harem, scarem, LOL! No it doesn't mean a harem, it's referring to the 144,000 in chp.14 Jesus ain't going to marry one person, it's just a picture.
QUOTE(C @ Dec 4 2007, 10:12 AM) [snapback]134618[/snapback]
Isaiah 4
1 In that day (the end of the ages)
seven women (The seven churches in Rev)
will take hold of one man (Christ Jesus)
and say, "We will eat our own food (We have our own doctrine)
and provide our own clothes; (we have our own righteousness)
only let us be called by your name. (Just call us Christians)
Take away our disgrace!" (Yes this is needed)
I don't believe the seven women are the seven churches. Isaiah writes that these seven women follow Christ only (own bread, own apparel) where the seven churches didn't. Christ only approved of two of the churches while the other five have problems.
I believe the seven women are the 7,000 elect:
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."
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A virgin is somebody who do not mix the doctrines of men into the seed of the Word.
A Harlot in the Bible is when people mix more that one seed . Its adding to the Word.
Mary is a type and shadow if the virgin church bringing forth Christ , because she received only the Seed of the Word of God
The Harlot in Revelation: Its a type and shadow of all the religious churches that is not ONLY preaching the Word of God, They are mixing seed like a harlot.
I was taught that scripture can hold two or three different meanings....but they never conflict. I agree with your interpretation of the meaning you have given but there is another interpretation, that does not conflict, to consider.
God has shown again and again that idolatry is an abomination to Him. He warns of it throughout His Word and He is a "jealous God." As the scriptures we are discussing, Isaiah 4, are about end times, "in that day," then I believe the prophecy is not so much about "mixing doctrine and the Word" but is about falling into idolatry at the end of days with Satan (because of the mixed doctrine and word). The seven women, "shall take hold of one man." They will not follow Satan.....they will be the "escaped of Israel."
Something to consider........Whirlwind
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QUOTE(C @ Dec 4 2007, 10:12 AM) [snapback]134618[/snapback]
Isaiah 4
1 In that day (the end of the ages)
seven women (The seven churches in Rev)
will take hold of one man (Christ Jesus)
and say, "We will eat our own food (We have our own doctrine)
and provide our own clothes; (we have our own righteousness)
only let us be called by your name. (Just call us Christians)
Take away our disgrace!" (Yes this is needed)
I don't believe the seven women are the seven churches. Isaiah writes that these seven women follow Christ only (own bread, own apparel) where the seven churches didn't. Christ only approved of two of the churches while the other five have problems.
I believe the seven women are the 7,000 elect:
Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."
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A virgin is somebody who do not mix the doctrines of men into the seed of the Word.
A Harlot in the Bible is when people mix more that one seed . Its adding to the Word.
Mary is a type and shadow if the virgin church bringing forth Christ , because she received only the Seed of the Word of God
The Harlot in Revelation: Its a type and shadow of all the religious churches that is not ONLY preaching the Word of God, They are mixing seed like a harlot.
I was taught that scripture can hold two or three different meanings....but they never conflict. I agree with your interpretation of the meaning you have given but there is another interpretation, that does not conflict, to consider.
God has shown again and again that idolatry is an abomination to Him. He warns of it throughout His Word and He is a "jealous God." As the scriptures we are discussing, Isaiah 4, are about end times, "in that day," then I believe the prophecy is not so much about "mixing doctrine and the Word" but is about falling into idolatry at the end of days with Satan (because of the mixed doctrine and word). The seven women, "shall take hold of one man." They will not follow Satan.....they will be the "escaped of Israel."
Something to consider........Whirlwind
I am trying to see what you see Whirlwind, but I am having difficulty. I know that woman (or women) in scripture are types and shadows of Israel and/or the church. That is why we read:
Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left. (The Bride and the Harlot)
You see the woman on the moon in Rev 12. (the church)
We see types and shadows of Israel (Leah) and Rachael (the Bride) (Both woman)
We see a woman Jezebel as a type of the Harlot in Rev.
We see Vashti as a type of Israel
We see Esther as a type of the Bride.
We see Mary as a type of the virgin church bringing forth Christ.
The Bible is full of these types and shadows of woman . Either Israel (which in itself is a type and shadow of the church again) or purely of the church.
C
ALSO- They ate their OWN bread..not Christ...They wear their OWN clothing.. Not Christ.
Whirl-
These 'women" represent the sectarian denominations who by NAME only claim to know Him but they don't follow HIS teachings (bread) or His righteousness (Clothing).
They don't follow Christ.......only in Name.
Whirl-
These 'women" represent the sectarian denominations who by NAME only claim to know Him but they don't follow HIS teachings (bread) or His righteousness (Clothing).
They don't follow Christ.......only in Name.
QUOTE(C @ Dec 5 2007, 02:52 AM) [snapback]134736[/snapback]
I am trying to see what you see Whirlwind, but I am having difficulty. I know that woman (or women) in scripture are types and shadows of Israel and/or the church. That is why we read:
Mat 24:41 two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left. (The Bride and the Harlot)
You see the woman on the moon in Rev 12. (the church)
We see types and shadows of Israel (Leah) and Rachael (the Bride) (Both woman)
We see a woman Jezebel as a type of the Harlot in Rev.
We see Vashti as a type of Israel
We see Esther as a type of the Bride.
We see Mary as a type of the virgin church bringing forth Christ.
The Bible is full of these types and shadows of woman . Either Israel (which in itself is a type and shadow of the church again) or purely of the church.
C
The types and shadows still holds true. If the 7,000 elect are those that "never bowed a knee to Baal" [Rom.11:4] then they are both Israel (house of Israel, not nation of Israel) and the church. They are those that allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them during the tribulation of Satan:
Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves; for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10.And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11.But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Those are God's elect, actually the "very elect." The 144,000 are also the elect but it will take the testimony of that time, of the 7,000, for their eyes to be opened. Once they are sealed then the end can come. [Rev.7:3-4]
.......Whirlwind
Rom 11:2 God did not cast off his people which he foreknew. Or know ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he pleadeth with God against Israel:
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have left for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
He is speaking about the remnant.
I wish we could speak in person, this is too slow and we are missing so much, that gets lost in just posting
I don;t want to make the posts too long
C
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have left for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
He is speaking about the remnant.
I wish we could speak in person, this is too slow and we are missing so much, that gets lost in just posting
I don;t want to make the posts too long
C
QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Dec 5 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]134847[/snapback]
ALSO- They ate their OWN bread..not Christ...They wear their OWN clothing.. Not Christ.
Whirl-
These 'women" represent the sectarian denominations who by NAME only claim to know Him but they don't follow HIS teachings (bread) or His righteousness (Clothing).
They don't follow Christ.......only in Name.
BrotherJon, it could be as you understand it. However, I believe the seven women are the 7,000 elect for a number of reasons. Is.4:1 is connected to the prior chapters with "that day" which is the Lord's Day. The number seven puts one on guard as Father uses it so often....7 days, 7 angels, 7 trumpets, 7 golden candlesticks, 7 churches, etc. I don't believe it would be used for denominations....I could be wrong but I don't understand it that way.
To me, their "own' bread is the Bread of life, their "own" apparel is the gospel armor and when they say, "only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach" it means to be called by God's name, Christ / Christian. Also, if they don't follow Christ how would their reproach be taken away?
....Whirlwind
QUOTE(C @ Dec 5 2007, 03:37 PM) [snapback]134886[/snapback]
Rom 11:2 God did not cast off his people which he foreknew. Or know ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he pleadeth with God against Israel:
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have left for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
He is speaking about the remnant.
I wish we could speak in person, this is too slow and we are missing so much, that gets lost in just posting
I don;t want to make the posts too long
C
There has been a remnant from the beginning that have taken His Word forward. The "remnant" are those of the elect that have died. I believe they will be gathered in heaven and they are among those that will return with Christ. However, Father tells us that He has reserved 7,000. My belief is that He will use them in the end times. They know the truth of end times, they will not bow to Baal and they will allow The Holy Spirit to speak through them.
That is their destiny, it is why they were chosen.
........Whirlwind
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QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Dec 5 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]134847[/snapback]
ALSO- They ate their OWN bread..not Christ...They wear their OWN clothing.. Not Christ.
Whirl-
These 'women" represent the sectarian denominations who by NAME only claim to know Him but they don't follow HIS teachings (bread) or His righteousness (Clothing).
They don't follow Christ.......only in Name.
BrotherJon, it could be as you understand it. However, I believe the seven women are the 7,000 elect for a number of reasons. Is.4:1 is connected to the prior chapters with "that day" which is the Lord's Day. The number seven puts one on guard as Father uses it so often....7 days, 7 angels, 7 trumpets, 7 golden candlesticks, 7 churches, etc. I don't believe it would be used for denominations....I could be wrong but I don't understand it that way.
To me, their "own' bread is the Bread of life, their "own" apparel is the gospel armor and when they say, "only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach" it means to be called by God's name, Christ / Christian. Also, if they don't follow Christ how would their reproach be taken away?
....Whirlwind
Whirlwind, It's a contrast between right and wrong, the 7 women represent Momma harlot, and her daughters. The reproach won't be to the false church, but to the true, which is what will cause the persecution to come, because we won't be a partaker of her sins. "Own bread" is their doctrines, "own apparel" is their own little traditions. Next it goes on to describe how the true church will be.
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Whirlwind, It's a contrast between right and wrong, the 7 women represent Momma harlot, and her daughters. The reproach won't be to the false church, but to the true, which is what will cause the persecution to come, because we won't be a partaker of her sins. "Own bread" is their doctrines, "own apparel" is their own little traditions. Next it goes on to describe how the true church will be.
Perhaps that was the beginning of describing what the true church will be....not the end.
Again, I go to the number seven.....It denotes spiritual perfection. Had it been six women, the number of man, this would be an easy scripture to interpret. But, as it is seven I believe it is about the 7,000 elect.
As I told BrotherJon I will also tell you....you could very well be correct. The scripture was placed at the end of one lesson and beginning of another. Which one was it connected to? The end of evil or the beginning of good.
....Whirlwind
I know the reference to the prophet Elijah, but I don't see how that transfers to 7,000 people in our day. 7 is a number of completeness, meaning all others but the one he loves are corrupt. It seems to be speaking about the last days, so it would be before armagedon, in my opinion, the world will have to see the contrast, God will always give people a choice to decide between, just as Paul speaking about the church having hersies in it, to show that which was approved.
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