I have a quest for everyone. Would you get on Noah's Ark? Let's say that you were transported back into time, a day before the rain was about to start. And being from the future you would know that the flood was immanent. The ark was right in front of you all you had to do was to get on, would you do it?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Full Version: Would You Get On Noah's Ark?
No way....I like to swim. Wouldn't it be fun to suffer and drown in the wrath of God? Why would anyone get on the ark when they could experience the last bit of air eeking out of their lungs? That sounds like way too much fun to pass up!
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 1 2007, 02:28 PM) [snapback]134144[/snapback]
guy...not to change the subject but l went to your web page and only just barely started to read and must come back and make this comment.... and l guess it would be a question too.
Do you think the the term "Just as in the days of Noah" would include Enoch? Because if so then Enoch was caught away but God did help those remaining...the called out ones to travel protected through the siege of waters...The rest perished.
So there would be three groups
1) those caught away represented by Enoch
2) those protected and carried through ...144,000 and maybe some who receive and believe
3) and those who perish....
Just a thought...
There is no record of any humans surviving the flood except for Noah and his family. Neither is there any mention of others living on the earth just after. All subsequent generations of humans are descendants of Noah and his sons. This is quite clear in scripture. All other humans perished in the flood which covered the highest mountain tops. There was only one ark recorded in scripture.
No human entered the ark except for Noah and his family. So if you were there you would have perished in the flood. The purpose for the flood was to purge the earth of unbelief ..... and so will be the tribulation that is coming. The Lord's purpose will be to eliminate all unbelievers from the face of the earth. He will allow for repentance and some will turn, but most will not. Only specific groups will be protected during the period and they can be identified in scripture. They will all be those who will believe and they will be protected for the Lord's specific purposes. Their presence and actions are documented in scripture. All other humans will be exposed to the tribulations of the period with no guarantee of protection from physican harm including physical death.
Enoch may have been a "type" representing one "caught out" before the judgment of the flood came, but not necessarily. All we can know is that the Lord took him. We think he may have been translated to immortality without dying physically. The living members of the Body of Christ at the time on the other hand will be kept from the coming tribulation period ..... the Lord has promised this ..... caught up without dying physically ..... they will not have time to die physically ..... the event will happen in the flash of a moment. There would be no other purpose for this event except to keep them from the Lord's wrath against an unbelieving world.
No human entered the ark except for Noah and his family. So if you were there you would have perished in the flood. The purpose for the flood was to purge the earth of unbelief ..... and so will be the tribulation that is coming. The Lord's purpose will be to eliminate all unbelievers from the face of the earth. He will allow for repentance and some will turn, but most will not. Only specific groups will be protected during the period and they can be identified in scripture. They will all be those who will believe and they will be protected for the Lord's specific purposes. Their presence and actions are documented in scripture. All other humans will be exposed to the tribulations of the period with no guarantee of protection from physican harm including physical death.
Enoch may have been a "type" representing one "caught out" before the judgment of the flood came, but not necessarily. All we can know is that the Lord took him. We think he may have been translated to immortality without dying physically. The living members of the Body of Christ at the time on the other hand will be kept from the coming tribulation period ..... the Lord has promised this ..... caught up without dying physically ..... they will not have time to die physically ..... the event will happen in the flash of a moment. There would be no other purpose for this event except to keep them from the Lord's wrath against an unbelieving world.
I am on Noah's ark. Are you?
QUOTE(Adonaicole @ Dec 1 2007, 09:06 PM) [snapback]134186[/snapback]
I am on Noah's ark. Are you?
Well dear Adonaicole , you better then get IN. "ON" is no good, because all the promises are only good when we are IN Christ. Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed,[color=#FF0000] which is Christ. Psalm 91 is a good example of a promise that is made to the Seed (Christ) , that shows us what "being in the Ark means"
love C
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Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place (Christ is the secret place ) of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2 I will say of Jehovah, He is my refuge and my fortress (My ARK); My God, in whom I trust.
Psa 91:3 For he will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, And from the deadly pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He will cover thee with his pinions, And under his wings shalt thou take refuge: His truth is a shield and a buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, Nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 For the pestilence that walketh in darkness, Nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, And ten thousand at thy right hand; But it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, And see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 For thou, O Jehovah, art my refuge! Thou hast made the Most High thy habitation; (Your Ark)Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, Neither shall any plague come nigh thy tent.
Psa 91:11 For he will give his angels charge over thee, To keep thee in all thy ways. (You are in the Ark)
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, Lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: The young lion and the serpent shalt thou trample under foot.
Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, (in the Ark)because he hath known my name.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble: I will deliver him, and honor him. (BIG trouble is coming in the wrath of God, but we will be in the ARK)
Psa 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, And show him my salvation. (Christ is our salvation and our Ark )
Psa 91:2 I will say of Jehovah, He is my refuge and my fortress (My ARK); My God, in whom I trust.
Psa 91:3 For he will deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, And from the deadly pestilence.
Psa 91:4 He will cover thee with his pinions, And under his wings shalt thou take refuge: His truth is a shield and a buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night, Nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 For the pestilence that walketh in darkness, Nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, And ten thousand at thy right hand; But it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, And see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 For thou, O Jehovah, art my refuge! Thou hast made the Most High thy habitation; (Your Ark)Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, Neither shall any plague come nigh thy tent.
Psa 91:11 For he will give his angels charge over thee, To keep thee in all thy ways. (You are in the Ark)
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, Lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: The young lion and the serpent shalt thou trample under foot.
Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, (in the Ark)because he hath known my name.
Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble: I will deliver him, and honor him. (BIG trouble is coming in the wrath of God, but we will be in the ARK)
Psa 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, And show him my salvation. (Christ is our salvation and our Ark )
On board... That's what was being talked about.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 3 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]134411[/snapback]
On board... That's what was being talked about.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
I am sure Adonaicole is reading this in the good and Christian spirit that I gave it in Miki.
It was a good opportunity to speak about how we should be found IN Christ. You know me, I always take a good opportunity to bring some Scriptures into the conversation.
Another one pops into my mind:1Pe 4:11 if any man speaketh, speaking as it were oracles of God; if any man ministereth, ministering as of the strength which God supplieth: that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, whose is the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen
See? You just provided another splendid opportunity !
C
LOL! C.....That made me laugh...I have a big smile on my face. Thanks. 
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Well dear Adonaicole , you better then get IN. "ON" is no good, because all the promises are only good when we are IN Christ.
hummm...Well l guess he's a better sport than l.
Because it sure seems you were making sport of him..Oh well...Maybe not. If you say you weren't using a fained slip in wordage as an opportunity to step on his back and exalt yourself then l will respectfully take your word for it.
1Peter 4:11
4:11 If any man speak, let him - In his whole conversation, public and private. Speak as the oracles of God - Let all his words be according to this pattern, both as to matter and manner, more especially in public. By this mark we may always know who are, so far, the true or false prophets. The oracles of God teach that men should repent, believe, obey. He that treats of faith and leaves out repentance, or does not enjoin practical holiness to believers, does not speak as the oracles of God: he does not preach Christ, let him think as highly of himself as he will. If any man minister - Serve his brother in love, whether in spintuals or temporals. Let him minister as of the ability which God giveth - That is, humbly and diligently, ascribing all his power to God, and using it with his might. Whose is the glory - of his wisdom, which teaches us to speak. And the might - Which enables us to act.
I was just under the impression Don was well covered here.
I'm sorry if l spoke out of place here Adonaicole...Some things just bother me too much l guess.
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On board... That's what was being talked about.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
Thank you precious sister for blessing me today. You understood exactly the spirit of what I was saying.
...and "C" if I have ever said anything to you that offended you, I sincerely repent.
QUOTE(Adonaicole @ Dec 3 2007, 09:24 PM) [snapback]134503[/snapback]
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On board... That's what was being talked about.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
Adonaicole..this precious brother... is ready for the Lord.
Some people set you up for the shoot down and then appear to be speaking as of the Lord.
Thank you precious sister for blessing me today. You understood exactly the spirit of what I was saying.
...and "C" if I have ever said anything to you that offended you, I sincerely repent.
No you never did
but you must admit that the wordplay was good On, and In.So dear Miki, is as usual thinking the worst of me LOL but then, that's normal.
love
C
....OK OK< but you also said you will give me the benefit of the doubt here Miks . I accept
LOL
C
LOL
C
The word "play" wasn't of the Lord.
I don't want to argue with you...I said what l needed to say...
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4:7-11 The destruction of the Jewish church and nation, foretold by our Saviour, was very near. And the speedy approach of death and judgment concerns all, to which these words naturally lead our minds. Our approaching end, is a powerful argument to make us sober in all worldly matters, and earnest in religion. There are so many things amiss in all, that unless love covers, excuses, and forgives in others, the mistakes and faults for which every one needs the forbearance of others, Satan will prevail to stir up divisions and discords. But we are not to suppose that charity will cover or make amends for the sins of those who exercise it, so as to induce God to forgive them. The nature of a Christian's work, which is high work and hard work, the goodness of the Master, and the excellence of the reward, all require that our endeavours should be serious and earnest. And in all the duties and services of life, we should aim at the glory of God as our chief end. He is a miserable, unsettled wretch, who cleaves to himself, and forgets God; is only perplexed about his credit, and gain, and base ends, which are often broken, and which, when he attains, both he and they must shortly perish together. But he who has given up himself and his all to God, may say confidently that the Lord is his portion; and nothing but glory through Christ Jesus, is solid and lasting; that abideth for ever.M. Henry
I don't want to argue with you...I said what l needed to say...
Well I guess, you could point out , where this wordplay was outside of the truth. Jesus being the Truth.
C
C
It's clear for all to see..but l guess not you..
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 3 2007, 09:39 PM) [snapback]134513[/snapback]
our endeavours should be serious and earnest.
Oh I always do the serious and earnest thing.
Well,,,,,,,,,,sometimes I also like to make a joke and laugh a bit. You are an easy target, because you are waaaaaay too serious. LOL Sometimes I am just pulling your leg Miki, we need to lighten up with each other, this is not a war between Christians, its fellowship .. I am not out to destroy every Christian I meet. I just hate human doctrine (is that so bad?)
I use whatever opportunity I get to preach, as the Bible teaches: in or out of season. Any time of day and anywhere. I do the same at home. I irritate non believers, because I only talk about the gospel. I can turn any conversation into a conversation about the Lord and I do. Time is short.
Our dear Adonaicole is most probably well aware that he is in Christ, but I used that post, because just behind him somebody else came and also read that post, and this person might NOT have been ready. So it might have helped that person.
I NEVER write just to the person, I write to the one who needs that post. I write to the one that God will send to read it.
If your post gives me a thought, I am going to reply. To you, but NOT to you as a person. I am going to write to the person that actually needed that post.
You get annoyed, because (as I have seen in other posts, people also commend on it ) you think they are saying all to YOU, but they are not, They are ALSO posting to :" the unknown person in need"
I "stir" , that I am well aware of, but then: you will only see what is hiding if you hit the bush.
When I say: Pastors are not the leaders of the church: The bush gives a shudder first and then :Out they come ! The same with other doctrines. But this is me..................
So :::::Let me hit a bush: If you do not want to come out every time I hit a bush, stop hiding in it. !
C
You are familiar with the term: Iconoclast?
Is anyone else besides me tired of contention on this forum? Was it really neccesary to make an argument about the original posting? Has the love of most grown cold, even here in this "church". That grieves my heart.
I would get on the boat. If I were there, knowing what I know now.
That is the answer to the question as I understand it.
I would get on the boat. If I were there, knowing what I know now.
That is the answer to the question as I understand it.
I'd get on, in, up, over, around, and under with God's help!
Miche- I am feelin' you!
Miche- I am feelin' you!
darlings, i'm in
I agree... Miche your words ring with Truth! Yes Guy I would climb aboard!
Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming
Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming
Hello Miche, jhammer, signet, and Messiahiscoming,
As I see it, there is flood of persecution of the Great Tribulation in our future. For 3 ½ years under the rule of the Anti-Christ anyone who refuses to take the mark of the beast will be executed. Given the technological advances you can be sure that within the 3 ½ years they will find everyone who does not take the mark.
Yes, if you are martyred and do not take the mark, then you will be spiritually saved and be in the first resurrection. And it seems that some of you relish this thought. However, the scriptures do provide us with clues that Mt Zion in Jerusalem is a modern day ark.
I am sure that you made your decisions to get onto Noah’s ark based on the fact that your only options were the ark or drowning. The circumstances today are different, however there are some similarities. My question to you all: If you would get on Noah’s ark, they why wouldn’t you go to the modern day ark known as Mt Zion?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
As I see it, there is flood of persecution of the Great Tribulation in our future. For 3 ½ years under the rule of the Anti-Christ anyone who refuses to take the mark of the beast will be executed. Given the technological advances you can be sure that within the 3 ½ years they will find everyone who does not take the mark.
Yes, if you are martyred and do not take the mark, then you will be spiritually saved and be in the first resurrection. And it seems that some of you relish this thought. However, the scriptures do provide us with clues that Mt Zion in Jerusalem is a modern day ark.
I am sure that you made your decisions to get onto Noah’s ark based on the fact that your only options were the ark or drowning. The circumstances today are different, however there are some similarities. My question to you all: If you would get on Noah’s ark, they why wouldn’t you go to the modern day ark known as Mt Zion?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
QUOTE(guysmith @ Dec 4 2007, 11:27 PM) [snapback]134678[/snapback]
Hello Miche, jhammer, signet, and Messiahiscoming,
As I see it, there is flood of persecution of the Great Tribulation in our future. For 3 ½ years under the rule of the Anti-Christ anyone who refuses to take the mark of the beast will be executed. Given the technological advances you can be sure that within the 3 ½ years they will find everyone who does not take the mark.
Yes, if you are martyred and do not take the mark, then you will be spiritually saved and be in the first resurrection. And it seems that some of you relish this thought. However, the scriptures do provide us with clues that Mt Zion in Jerusalem is a modern day ark.
I am sure that you made your decisions to get onto Noah’s ark based on the fact that your only options were the ark or drowning. The circumstances today are different, however there are some similarities. My question to you all: If you would get on Noah’s ark, they why wouldn’t you go to the modern day ark known as Mt Zion?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Because:Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto a mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, and unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Because Mount Zion represents the Kingdom of God here on earth.
Here is a description of Mount Zion (in red)
Heb 12:22 but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
ALL of these are: Mount Zion.
C
C,
You stated:Because Mount Zion represents the Kingdom of God here on earth.
My response: Your post suggest that we shouldn't go to Mt Zion, and then you make statement like the above. So, we should or shouldn't go to Mount Zion which "represents the Kingdom of God here on earth"?
What's your point?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
You stated:Because Mount Zion represents the Kingdom of God here on earth.
My response: Your post suggest that we shouldn't go to Mt Zion, and then you make statement like the above. So, we should or shouldn't go to Mount Zion which "represents the Kingdom of God here on earth"?
What's your point?
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
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I have a quest for everyone. Would you get on Noah's Ark? Let's say that you were transported back into time, a day before the rain was about to start. And being from the future you would know that the flood was immanent. The ark was right in front of you all you had to do was to get on, would you do it?
Only by the grace of God. Apart from that no one can "get on board" with anything.
Joh 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
QUOTE(guysmith @ Dec 5 2007, 03:56 PM) [snapback]134797[/snapback]
C,
You stated:Because Mount Zion represents the Kingdom of God here on earth.
My response: Your post suggest that we shouldn't go to Mt Zion, and then you make statement like the above. So, we should or shouldn't go to Mount Zion which "represents the Kingdom of God here on earth"?
What's your point?
In Yehoshua,
Guy SmithHeb 12:22 but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
THe Bible tells us that it is not talking about a mountain that can be touched. Its not a real mountain with rocks and stones.
Mt Zion represents the Kingdom of God.
Paul gives us all who make up this "mountain"
Heb 12:22 but ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable hosts of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
If I stopped there, then it is maybe a but more clear: Can you see he is saying that we "are come" to Mt Zion and the city of the living God ....the HEAVENLY Jerusalem.
We know that the Bride is the Heavenly Jerusalem, so its not a real city. Its also not a real mountain but this mountain also (if you read further, made up of :Hosts of angels, , the general assembly and church of the firstborn, God, and spirits of just men made perfect:::::::::::put them all together and you have "Mount Zion............or ......The Kingdom of God
In other words you will not find it in physical Israel, unless you meet up with a believer, in which case he is part of Mount Zion. But I am part of Mt Zion and I am sitting in Africa.
wow....really clear! The 144,000 stand with the Lamb on Mt. Zion also!
Rev 14:1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.
Rev 14:1 And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty and four thousand, having his name, and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.
Brotherjon,
You stated: wow....really clear! The 144,000 stand with the Lamb on Mt. Zion also!
My response:Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
You stated: wow....really clear! The 144,000 stand with the Lamb on Mt. Zion also!
My response:Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
QUOTE(guysmith @ Dec 5 2007, 08:48 PM) [snapback]134880[/snapback]
Brotherjon,
You stated: wow....really clear! The 144,000 stand with the Lamb on Mt. Zion also!
My response:Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000
Amen, that is a good prayer ! He will be standing on top of Mt Zion. That means He will be ruling the Kingdom of God. The kingdom is within you.
The Jews wanted Him to rule a physical Kingdom. He did not. He came to rule in men's hearts. THERE is the Kingdom of God
Luk 17:20 And being asked by the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God cometh, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
So please do not make the mistake of the Pharisees again . Do not look for Him on a mountain of stone.
C
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