1993 World Trade Center Bombing Orchestrated by Rogue Elements of Our Own Government,Randy Weavers Family Murdered by Police State Amerika, Oaklahoma City Bombing Orchestrated by Rogue Elements of our Own Government, 9-11 Orchestrated by Rogue Elements of our Own Government, All Not My Opinion but Proven Fact.

Yes these are signs of the times, and many shall believe and embrace a lie. And the lie is Our Government would never hurt it's own People, then read this and learn or listen,

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/featur...2/jul/tuskegee/

So are Americans Blindly following their Government like the German People did in the 1930's and 1940"s with Hitlers Germany?

I think and Know so, what do you think and why?

Oh Please Wake Up My Brothers and Sisters.

http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1035

from todays headlines, and a sign of the times.

And if refers to the some of the above, Ironic!

Conspiracy theories have gotten me into a lot of trouble before, so lately, I've been avoiding them and just working out mine own salvation with fear and trembling,
BUT THEN,,,,,,,,,,

The time of your 1st post here,, I see is 911

Very Ironic !!

thats interesting, didnt notice thanks.

We've been down this trail before...It's steeped with the allowed mysteries of God.

It caused a lot of arguing and division concerning the ways of the enemy that brought confusion...

because people always seem to forget the battle isn't against flesh and blood.

It is so hard to accept for many people, especially when you grow up thinking no way could our great country be taken over from within by such evil people.
GOD & Country, Patriotism are Ours to keep, but there are people in this world who want to take that all away from us.
GOD has told us in His Word that in the end a beast system would arise and it would control the worlds people, and here we are witnessing things happen in Our Country that are bringing about New Measures of Control over Our Society, and under the Guise of Terrorism our Liberty is being lost or at least challenged, but when the next big event happens that makes 9-11 look tiny then the real deal police state may come about in what can only be equated to the beast system, where all aspects of our lives are controlled, Food,Water,Shelter,Mobility...............who was it that said "Food is Control" some soviet leader?

Anyway I just want to point out what is Right Under Our Nose and many are blind to it.

What about those Tuskegee Men?
And for 40 YEARS this Conspiracy was a Secret that the American Sheeple could never imagine would be happening in our Government!
FORTY YEARS holy smokes, 40 years and nobody knew? YES somebody knew, just like Many People know about all the above conspiracies, but the media is controlled completly except for the few on ShortWave Radio & the Internet.


"For 40 years, the U.S. Public Health Service has conducted a study in which human guinea pigs, not given proper treatment, have died of syphilis and its side effects," Associated Press reporter Jean Heller wrote on July 25, 1972. "The study was conducted to determine from autopsies what the disease does to the human body."

Don't let panic come upon you ...how will this help us...Sure everyone is on edge right now...but does that change anything?
Let the LORD JESUS fill your heart with peace in this STORM...he will comfort you, he will guide you, he LOVES YOU...NO Weapon formed against you shall prosper.
So concentrate on the things of GOD...he is the GOOD SHEPHERD...PRAY, FAST, HELP one another, Panic will not help anyone. FEAR will not help anyone...stay close to those whom love you...let the LORD anoint you in his goodness and mercy, RECEIVE and Believe HIS HOLY WORD and your eyes and ears for a listening spirit...The SPIRIT of fear will consume us if that is all we concentrate on...
Now I pray for you and my self as well...Dear Heavenly Father, you know us inside and out...your love for us is unshakeable...you will take us through this time and you will bring us in our REST with YOU. We trust you LORD JESUS...we know that you have angels surrounding us, we know that you are THE BEGINNING AND THE END...we know your heart is for us and for our good...and even though hard times may come, you have never let us down or abandoned us...We seek your face Dear LORD JESUS, it is our HOPE and desire to know you more and less of us...let not this fear consume our thoughts or harden our hearts...but let us lift one another up in Prayer and supplication. Deliver us Jesus from evil, comfort us LORD JESUS in your Peace. Amen

God loves you

No we aren't BLIND to it...but don't surrender to FEAR...that's what the Devil wants.
Warn YES, we are all venting right now. it's ok but..and I ask the LORD to give us PEACE in submitting to his WILL ALONE...to give us a heart and mind that doesn't allow the enemy put a stumblingblock in front of us.
Keep our eyes open and ears Jesus.

"Warn YES"

watchmen on the wall sounding the alarm=Yes


I am done venting now.

I need a purpose drivin job inside a Christian based company, then maybe I can make a difference and be fruitful, im sick and tired of working within the evil system.

You know what, Don't abandon the unbelievers...what good would it be to be with all the believers....although we need fellowship, he will SEND you where he needs you...
I made a mistake about the journalist whom writes what the enemies reveal...if she wasn't there how would we know and see...God has a definite purpose for us all...I was venting too..
Jesus SAID, I have come to set the captives free...I have come for the lost.


See how JESUS can take what is meant for evil and turn it around for his good.
REMEMBER in the headlines when BUSH said don't give up the SHIP...now that can be looked at from two different views...good or bad...GOD IS JUST and his WILL BE DONE.
God Bless you.

This thread is walking precariously close to confirming this passage:

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

No, the angels don't bad-mouth the leaders of nations. Neither should Christians. Rather, we should pray for those in our government.

Why? The governments of this world--good, bad, whatever, are put in place by God. He controls them and their actions to suit his own ends.

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

If and when "Christians" start raising arms against our government to "fight for their rights," they should be prepared to die by the hands of the same.

May we honor the Lord by submitting ourselves with integrity to those appointed over us.

In Christ,

Mike

Then like Hitler said "obey your government for it says so in Romans 13:1"
Hitler used this passage to justify his power and his evil.

We are not to obey evil.

If Our Founding Fathers listened to England when this nation was being born in rebelion to the king of england, then this nation would not be in existance today.

I will not be submitting myself to any evil governing body.

The king of england tried to use Romans 13:1 back then also to put down the rebelion against the crown.

As an American you might want to read The Declaration of Independence and become familiar with our roots, and to know where I stand.
Here is a Quote from The Declaration of Independence...

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security "

In other words do not obey an evil government

http://www.usconstitution.net/declar.html

Perhaps you're missing my point. We are not to submit or obey an evil command by the government when it is contrary to the word of God. Is that what you think the word of God is saying?

For the word of God also says, "Thou shalt not kill." Hitler's command to exterminate the Jews was certainly not scriptural, nor "obeyable."



Interesting note...show me a scripture where it is condoned to rebel against the government and you will answer this argument yourself. However, the Lord had a reason for allowing the U.S. to be born.



Then I submit to you by the authority of the word of God, that He will not deliver you from the same.

1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. 15 For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: 16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God. 17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king. 18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. 19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. 20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God. 21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: 22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: 23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: 24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

In Jeremiah 27, God details the capture of Israel by Babylon, and how they were to react. God brought Babylon against Israel for their rebellion against God. Similarly, it is likely that God will bring the government of the U.S. against Christians for their apostasy and world-pacifying ways. We are not to raise up arms against it, but look at it as a move of God for our benefit.

May we obediently remain in Christ.

In Him,

Mike

Satan tempted Jesus by (mis)quoting the word of God as well.

The whole counsel of scripture should be heeded, not one passage misused.

The King also has responsibilities to care for his people and provide their needs. The citizens of the new world could have also used scripture to communicate their dissatisfaction with the King's laws, not forgetting to take it to God in prayer.

In Christ,

Mike

Please show me an agreeing passage in scripture for the Declaration quote.

Matthew 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Jesus could've mopped the place clean. He is our example, is he not?

Safely in Him, come what may,

Mike

Bonomike


""Thou shalt not kill." kill."
If you go back to the Hebrew it actually should be
"Thou shalt not murder"

Whole different meaning.

I watched a lesbian pastor on T.V. use the "Thou shalt not kill" statement against
a soldier and stump him as to why being a homosexual was any different than being a killer "IE Soldier"
I sat there wishing he would of knew the correct interpretation and then he could of tore her argument apart.
Sometimes we are called by GOD to kill, as the Biblical history shows, but to murder is whole different thing all together and condemned by The LORD.

As to rest of what you said, I will have to examine what you say and see if I can find where I may be wrong in my belief.

Hitler's command to Murder the Jews should have been enough to wake up the people of Germany, But he used Romans Ch 13 to justify his command of obedience to him.

There's a lot of wisdom here...even to stretch it to the obedience between husband and wife.

Thanks for posting it.

And Mike what's also interesting is that God held them accountable for breaking their word to the Babylonians and trying to jump aboard for an easy out with Egypt as their buddy...

But it was for not.. because God was watching... (Parable of the two eagles and the vine...)

Yes, that is how I see it. "Kill" as in kill unjustly, i.e. murder.

In Christ,

Mike