The return of Israel to the Land of Israel from the nations in the 20th century is reflected in the scope of Bible prophecy. [Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 & 39] Israel's absence or presence in the Land of Israel has a direct correlation with stopping and restarting the prophetic clock. The nation of Israel today is positioned for the start of the beginning of the 70th week decreed for the nation by God which will then run its course for a period of 7 years and culminate in the visible return of Jesus to the earth. [Daniel 9, 12].
Abraham lived in Ur a province of ancient Babylonia which was the center of the Sumerian civilization. He was a descendant of Noah's son Shem and he recognized that there was only one true God. Babylonia's post flood culture was one of paganism. Abraham is the father of modern Israel and most of the Arab nations that exist today. The southern Babylonians (Sumerians) of the Land of Shinar and the northern Babylonians (Assyrians) of the Land of Magog are their ancestors. [Genesis 12:1-8] The countries of modern day Iraq, northeastern Syria, eastern Turkey, and northwestern Iran include a large portion of both of these ancient areas. The inhabitants are a mixture of Semitic, Hamitic, and Japhetic lineage.
God had already warned humanity about building their cities and the consequences of organizing to a level that would lead to self-determination and separation from His providence and direction. [Genesis 11:1-9] This development had grown considerably by the time God called Abraham to leave the area and migrate to the Land of Israel. [Genesis 10: 8-12] God's purpose was to separate a people for Himself who would be different from all of the rest of humanity (unbelieving nations of the Gentiles) by recognizing Him as the only true God and creator of the universe. Israel would then be a witness to an unbelieving, unsaved world by their relationship to Him through their coming Messiah and King Jesus Christ.
Part of God's purpose with Israel has been a success by producing the Scriptures contained in the Bible through the nation's prophets, scribes, and apostles. Israel is also the nation that Jesus was sent to for His mission on the cross and will be the nation that He will return to at the end of this present age. Israel as a national people did not fulfill their part of God's expectations and failed in their relationship with Him. As a result God has subjected them to exist in the world without His presence and they have paid the price. Greater difficulties are scheduled at the end of this present age.
It is significant that the nation of Israel is existing as an independent political entity in the Land of Israel today after many centuries of domination by the Gentiles and exile from their land. The nation's continuous intransigence against God's providence and direction has resulted in the loss of His personal guidance and protection. Israel is still in this condition at the present time. God's long term preservation of Israel's national identity is specifically for His ultimate plans.....not Israel's self-generated nationalism.
The years following the reign of Israel's prominent kings David and his son Solomon included political division of the nation and subsequent invasion and assimilation of ten of the tribes of Israel by the Assyrians. Successive dominance of the remainder of the nation followed by the three empires of neo-Babylon, Persia, and Grecia. The neo-Babylonians conquered what was left of the remnant, took many captives, and relocated the population. It was under the rule of the next empire, Persia, that a remnant of Israel was allowed to return to the Land of Israel (445 B.C.). This began the count down of the 70 weeks of years (490 literal years). 483 years have lapsed with one 7 year period yet to be experienced by Israel after their second return from the nations of the Gentiles to the Land of Israel. [Daniel 9:24-27]
If the death and resurrection of Jesus occurred around 33 A.D. then the following calculation can be made. The time lapse would be 444 calendar years to the first century from 445 B.C. plus 33 additional years to equal 477 years. The conversion factor for 360 day prophetic years can be calculated by dividing 365 by 360 which is 1.0138. Prophetic years are shorter so there are more of them included in the time frame of 477 calendar years. There are 483.5826 (477 x 1.0138) prophetic years in the time frame. If one adjusts this result by leap year days, the final calculation is very close to 483 years (69 weeks of years). Daniel's vision of the time frame allows for this amount of time to lapse after which the Messiah Prince would be cut off and have nothing.
The last segment of 7 years (1 week of years) is still yet future and requires Israel's return to the Land of Israel from the nations. This final 7 years will include future prophetic events leading up to the visible return of Israel's Messiah who is Jesus Christ. A remnant of Israel returned during the Persian Empire and were subjects of the next rulers of the Middle East. Attempts were made to regain independence from their Greek overlords, but with limited success. Much difficulty was experienced as a result of the behavior of the Greek kings of the north who continuously imposed cultural and religious practices upon the remnant.
Similar conditions were experienced under Roman rule in the first century and the small Jewish remnant was eventually attacked, persecuted, killed, and virtually removed from the Land of Israel. The end of the 69th week (483 years) decreed for Israel lapsed at the departure of Jesus from the earth. Subsequent Roman invasions are not included in the scope of Biblical prophecy as it relates to the time of the end. Israel's current presence in the Land of Israel is a prelude to the beginning of the 70th week (7 years) which will lead up to the coming of their Messiah a second time. The nation will experience an unprecedented time of trouble, but a remnant will be rescued by Jesus at His second coming. He will restore the kingdom to the mation and will stablish His literal Kingdom and rule over Israel and the world for 1,000 years from Jerusalem.
Another satanically inspired human rebellion will occur at the end of His Kingdom which will result in the total destruction of the earth, its rebellious inhabitants, and the entire universe. [Revelation 20] God will then create a new universe that will exist eternally without any imperfections. All evil will be eliminated including Satan, the fallen angels, and all of the spirits unsaved humanity.[Revelation 21]
Full Version: The Time Clock
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The return of Israel to the Land of Israel from the nations in the 20th century is reflected in the scope of Bible prophecy. [Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 & 39] Israel's absence or presence in the Land of Israel has a direct correlation with stopping and restarting the prophetic clock. The nation of Israel today is positioned for the start of the beginning of the 70th week decreed for the nation by God which will then run its course for a period of 7 years and culminate in the visible return of Jesus to the earth. [Daniel 9, 12]....
...It is significant that the nation of Israel is existing as an independent political entity in the Land of Israel today after many centuries of domination by the Gentiles and exile from their land.
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Part of God's purpose with Israel has been a success by producing the Scriptures contained in the Bible through the nation's prophets, scribes, and apostles. Israel is also the nation that Jesus was sent to for His mission on the cross...
Good! You finally got Jesus in there. Much better! 
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...and will be the nation that He will return to at the end of this present
Opps! Now he and his church are left out again. 
At least we are making a little progress
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It was under the rule of the next empire, Persia, that a remnant of Israel was allowed to return to the Land of Israel (445 B.C.). This began the count down of the 70 weeks of years (490 literal years). 483 years have lapsed with one 7 year period yet to be experienced by Israel after their second return from the nations of the Gentiles to the Land of Israel. [Daniel 9:24-27]
If the death and resurrection of Jesus occurred around 33 A.D. then the following calculation can be made. ....the final calculation is very close to 483 years (69 weeks of years). Daniel's vision of the time frame allows for this amount of time to lapse after which the Messiah Prince would be cut off and have nothing.
The last segment of 7 years (1 week of years) is still yet future and requires Israel's return to the Land of Israel from the nations.
The end of the 69th week (483 years) decreed for Israel lapsed at the departure of Jesus from the earth.
The prophecy does not say he will depart from the earth at the end of the 69th week. It says Messiah would come at the end of the 69th week. If the death and resurrection of Jesus occurred around 33 A.D. then the following calculation can be made. ....the final calculation is very close to 483 years (69 weeks of years). Daniel's vision of the time frame allows for this amount of time to lapse after which the Messiah Prince would be cut off and have nothing.
The last segment of 7 years (1 week of years) is still yet future and requires Israel's return to the Land of Israel from the nations.
The end of the 69th week (483 years) decreed for Israel lapsed at the departure of Jesus from the earth.
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross]. I am glad to see you attempting to work the cross into the entire 70 week package. It certainly belongs there. But Messiah comes at the end of the 69th week. Then he is cut off. How can that be if the 70th week is yet future? The only way the cross fits into the 70 week prophecy is for the 70 weeks to be continuous time.
That would mean that when Jesus said to the nation of Israel, "The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation who will produce fruit." Jesus knew national Israel would reject her Messiah.
Then the kingdom of God would be given to a new nation, which Peter says is the church (1 Peter 2:9).
Yes indeed! God will fulfill all of his promises to Israel, because Israel is now the church.
This is the only way to fit the cross into the 70 week picture since it must come after the 69th week and it certainly cannot be 2000 years later into some future 70th week.
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a remnant will be rescued by Jesus at His second coming.
This is true, and the remnant is forming now. It began with his first disciples and continues with Gentiles, and Jews who are aroused to jealousy by the Gentile church (Romans 11). And he will come for his spiritual Israel.3am
Jesus is always there ..... He is the Lord. Don't play games with me.
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The prophecy does not say he will depart from the earth at the end of the 69th week. It says Messiah would come at the end of the 69th week. [/color]
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross].
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross].
You seem to be suggesting two separate events to both happen at the end of the 69 weeks. Here is what scripture says:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The scripture indicates that after 62 weeks He is "cut off" (killed). This happened sometime around 32 AD.
Preterism - Futurism
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The prophecy does not say he will depart from the earth at the end of the 69th week. It says Messiah would come at the end of the 69th week. [/color]
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross].
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross].
You seem to be suggesting two separate events to both happen at the end of the 69 weeks. Here is what scripture says:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The scripture indicates that after 62 weeks He is "cut off" (killed). This happened sometime around 32 AD.
Preterism - Futurism
What if the Daniel 9:26 scripture means....The Messiah will be "cut off" because the anti-christ is here pretending to be Christ. He is cut off through deceit. Holy Communion is no longer given to Him but is instead given to the fake....He is cut off.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.'
The "he" is anti-christ confirming what covenant? Communion. People now worship him.
Something to consider............Whirlwind
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The prophecy does not say he will depart from the earth at the end of the 69th week. It says Messiah would come at the end of the 69th week. [/color]
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross].
Then after that [69th week when he comes] he would be cut off [the cross].
You seem to be suggesting two separate events to both happen at the end of the 69 weeks. Here is what scripture says:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The scripture indicates that after 62 weeks He is "cut off" (killed). This happened sometime around 32 AD.
Preterism - Futurism
What if the Daniel 9:26 scripture means....The Messiah will be "cut off" because the anti-christ is here pretending to be Christ. He is cut off through deceit. Holy Communion is no longer given to Him but is instead given to the fake....He is cut off.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.'
The "he" is anti-christ confirming what covenant? Communion. People now worship him.
Something to consider............Whirlwind
Strong's might help a little:
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
be cut off
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
03772 karath {kaw-rath'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1048; v
AV - cut off 145, make 85, cut down 23, cut 9, fail 6, destroy 4,
want 3, covenanted 2, hew 2, misc 9; 288
1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate,
kill, cut a covenant
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to cut off
1a1a) to cut off a body part, behead
1a2) to cut down
1a3) to hew
1a4) to cut or make a covenant
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to be cut off
1b2) to be cut down
1b3) to be chewed
1b4) to be cut off, fail
1c) (Pual)
1c1) to be cut off
1c2) to be cut down
1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to cut off
1d2) to cut off, destroy
1d3) to cut down, destroy
1d4) to take away
1d5) to permit to perish
1e) (Hophal) cut off
The Lord will confirm the covenant of the 70 weeks of years decreed for national Israel in the context of chapter 9 by execution of the 70th. All 6 objectives for the remnant will be met during the period. He will cause worship by the believing remnant to cease by allowing the beast and his followers to invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount for 42 months.
You might have your characters a bit mixed up:
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The Islamics who follow satan's beast (the prince that shall come ..... Abaddon-Apolloyn ..... an angelic prince in the little horn human king of the north) will invade, occupy, and rule over Israel for 42 months. It is the Lord who will confirm the covenant of the 70 weeks of years by executing the 70th ..... not Abaddon-Apollyon. When the Lord begins His hour of trial (the 70th week) He will allow Abaddon-Apolloyn to overrun Israel just before the midpoint of the week and this action will cause the believing remnant to flee and their worship at the western wall will cease.
I must have missed the part where "he" becomes the Lord. Where is this in Scripture?
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The return of Israel to the Land of Israel from the nations in the 20th century is reflected in the scope of Bible prophecy. [Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 & 39] Israel's absence or presence in the Land of Israel has a direct correlation with stopping and restarting the prophetic clock.
Gosh...l'm slow. Funny how one sentence can just make you go OOHHH. I asked you this before and you gave a really long answer l didn't understand...And wa la! Here it is in a nut shell!
Don't know why l didn't see something so simple...And 3am...maybe because the time of the Gentiles isn't full..The two have to coincide..Like the ticking of the hands of a clock. Thanks Stephen.
Stephen..concerning this that you said:
The first sentence in this quote...How can large groups of people function? It makes me feel like God wanted men to do the impossible. And when l think about it...it's similar to what Shekel has been talking about concerning the way the church is set up today..with the Pastors and elders in ruler-ship. But how can we do it any other way...there will just be chaos? I've been to cell groups before where there is no schooled and learned authority. It seems to crumble into divisions and immaturity abounds. What is the answer?
Now the second paragraph l really struggle with: It's not so clinical with me...Israels "continuous intransigence against God's providence and direction." You said that when Israel became a nation again in 48 it was the trigger in your coming to the Lord. I don't understand. How can they be there but not for the Lord? Even if it is wrongly motivated by their own darkened understanding...God is still behind it because of the purposes he has predestined. Is that not right? Even if it's "self generated nationalism" can we be too hard on them..in light of the fact that God is driving the buggy. I see a headless horseman..
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God had already warned humanity about building their cities and the consequences of organizing to a level that would lead to self-determination and separation from His providence and direction. [Genesis 11:1-9] This development had grown considerably by the time God called Abraham to leave the area and migrate to the Land of Israel. [Genesis 10: 8-12] God's purpose was to separate a people for Himself who would be different from all of the rest of humanity (unbelieving nations of the Gentiles) by recognizing Him as the only true God and creator of the universe. Israel would then be a witness to an unbelieving, unsaved world by their relationship to Him through their coming Messiah and King Jesus Christ.
Part of God's purpose with Israel has been a success by producing the Scriptures contained in the Bible through the nation's prophets, scribes, and apostles. Israel is also the nation that Jesus was sent to for His mission on the cross and will be the nation that He will return to at the end of this present age. Israel as a national people did not fulfill their part of God's expectations and failed in their relationship with Him. As a result God has subjected them to exist in the world without His presence and they have paid the price. Greater difficulties are scheduled at the end of this present age.
It is significant that the nation of Israel is existing as an independent political entity in the Land of Israel today after many centuries of domination by the Gentiles and exile from their land. The nation's continuous intransigence against God's providence and direction has resulted in the loss of His personal guidance and protection. Israel is still in this condition at the present time. God's long term preservation of Israel's national identity is specifically for His ultimate plans.....not Israel's self-generated nationalism.
Part of God's purpose with Israel has been a success by producing the Scriptures contained in the Bible through the nation's prophets, scribes, and apostles. Israel is also the nation that Jesus was sent to for His mission on the cross and will be the nation that He will return to at the end of this present age. Israel as a national people did not fulfill their part of God's expectations and failed in their relationship with Him. As a result God has subjected them to exist in the world without His presence and they have paid the price. Greater difficulties are scheduled at the end of this present age.
It is significant that the nation of Israel is existing as an independent political entity in the Land of Israel today after many centuries of domination by the Gentiles and exile from their land. The nation's continuous intransigence against God's providence and direction has resulted in the loss of His personal guidance and protection. Israel is still in this condition at the present time. God's long term preservation of Israel's national identity is specifically for His ultimate plans.....not Israel's self-generated nationalism.
The first sentence in this quote...How can large groups of people function? It makes me feel like God wanted men to do the impossible. And when l think about it...it's similar to what Shekel has been talking about concerning the way the church is set up today..with the Pastors and elders in ruler-ship. But how can we do it any other way...there will just be chaos? I've been to cell groups before where there is no schooled and learned authority. It seems to crumble into divisions and immaturity abounds. What is the answer?
Now the second paragraph l really struggle with: It's not so clinical with me...Israels "continuous intransigence against God's providence and direction."
You said that when Israel became a nation again in 48 it was the trigger in your coming to the Lord. I don't understand. How can they be there but not for the Lord? Even if it is wrongly motivated by their own darkened understanding...God is still behind it because of the purposes he has predestined. Is that not right? Even if it's "self generated nationalism" can we be too hard on them..in light of the fact that God is driving the buggy. I see a headless horseman..
The problem with the failure of collective civilization is the condition of being lost and apart from the Lord. This humans choose to do ..... except for a very few. Human organization under these conditions just does not work and it produces the basis for self determination rather than seeking a way out of the human condition of this present world. Jesus Christ is the only way and only hope for the future of those who seek Him.
All of His purposes are in His hand and there are some things that He does not leave to human design and direction. One is the nation of Israel. He has set this ethnic nation as an ensign to the rest ..... and the thread runs through His Word for us to lock on to. Otherwise we would not know that He has a plan as we struggle through this jungle of depravation. He will carry out His intentions completely with 100% accuracy regarding national Israel ..... for His ultimate purposes. He will rule the world from Jerusalem for 1,000 years ..... a kingdom of mortals; and He will their the course straight ..... humans can not do this by themselves ..... Israel or the nations. He has a plan which nothing will stop on certain issues. He does not always intervene in the affairs of men and women, but on this one ..... He has a plan. Many go against this particular one .... but it will not be good to be found as one who does.
Ezekiel
36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
36:32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
36:36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
36:37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
All of His purposes are in His hand and there are some things that He does not leave to human design and direction. One is the nation of Israel. He has set this ethnic nation as an ensign to the rest ..... and the thread runs through His Word for us to lock on to. Otherwise we would not know that He has a plan as we struggle through this jungle of depravation. He will carry out His intentions completely with 100% accuracy regarding national Israel ..... for His ultimate purposes. He will rule the world from Jerusalem for 1,000 years ..... a kingdom of mortals; and He will their the course straight ..... humans can not do this by themselves ..... Israel or the nations. He has a plan which nothing will stop on certain issues. He does not always intervene in the affairs of men and women, but on this one ..... He has a plan. Many go against this particular one .... but it will not be good to be found as one who does.
Ezekiel
36:17 Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own way and by their doings: their way was before me as the uncleanness of a removed woman.
36:18 Wherefore I poured my fury upon them for the blood that they had shed upon the land, and for their idols wherewith they had polluted it:
36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
36:20 And when they entered unto the heathen, whither they went, they profaned my holy name, when they said to them, These are the people of the LORD, and are gone forth out of his land.
36:21 But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went.
36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
36:29 I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
36:30 And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
36:31 Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
36:32 Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel.
36:33 Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day that I shall have cleansed you from all your iniquities I will also cause you to dwell in the cities, and the wastes shall be builded.
36:34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
36:35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
36:36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
36:37 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will yet for this be enquired of by the house of Israel, to do it for them; I will increase them with men like a flock.
36:38 As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts; so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
What does this part mean?
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when I shall be sanctified in you
Does it mean when they set God apart from their own fleshly ways?
I always stumble over this word..sanctify...though l hear it explained and recieve it..It's a verb?
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36:23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.
What does this part mean?
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when I shall be sanctified in you
Does it mean when they set God apart from their own fleshly ways?
I always stumble over this word..sanctify...though l hear it explained and recieve it..It's a verb?
You could try Strong's:
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm
And I will sanctify
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
06942 qadash {kaw-dash'}
a primitive root; TWOT - 1990; v
AV - sanctify 108, hallow 25, dedicate 10, holy 7, prepare 7,
consecrate 5, appointed 1, bid 1, purified 1, misc 7; 172
1) to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy,
be sanctified, be separate
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be set apart, be consecrated
1a2) to be hallowed
1a3) consecrated, tabooed
1b) (Niphal)
1b1) to show oneself sacred or majestic
1b2) to be honoured, be treated as sacred
1b3) to be holy
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
1c2) to observe as holy, keep sacred
1c3) to honour as sacred, hallow
1c4) to consecrate
1d) (Pual)
1d1) to be consecrated
1d2) consecrated, dedicated
1e) (Hiphil)
1e1) to set apart, devote, consecrate
1e2) to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
1e3) to consecrate
1f) (Hithpael)
1f1) to keep oneself apart or separate
1f2) to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
1f3) to be observed as holy
1f4) to consecrate oneself
Old Testament Hebrew Definition:
08765 Stem - Piel See 08840
Mood - Perfect See 08816
Count - 2121
"to show oneself sacred or majestic"
This is the answer related to the context of Ezekiel 36. This same future objective of the Lord can be found in several of the O.T. prophets visions. Thanks for the posting MH.
This He will do and there will be no question about who He is. His demonstration of His powers, presence, and involvement will shake the world and all will know without a doubt that He is the Lord; the creator of all things past, present, and future. The world for the most part has not and does not know this truth. The day of the Lord is coming and He will intervene ..... there will be no question about just who He is.
This is the answer related to the context of Ezekiel 36. This same future objective of the Lord can be found in several of the O.T. prophets visions. Thanks for the posting MH.
This He will do and there will be no question about who He is. His demonstration of His powers, presence, and involvement will shake the world and all will know without a doubt that He is the Lord; the creator of all things past, present, and future. The world for the most part has not and does not know this truth. The day of the Lord is coming and He will intervene ..... there will be no question about just who He is.
I must be denser then dense... 
I'm not getting something here...
I understand sanctification and it's process in the believer...I actually know what the word means but l'm stumbling here because;
How can the heathen see the Lord sanctified in the Jews or the nation if they(Jews) aren't yet justified??
Even l feel l'm not through this process. What am l not understanding about this word and it's use?
There is mention of it when the Lord address Moses and Aaron at the rock they stuck in error...The Lord tells them they didn't sanctify him. Big time error right... I felt like the Lord was saying Moses placed the 3 of them in agreement to what Moses did... In this order..Moses Aaron and the Lord? So they didn't set the Lord apart from their own words and actions..their flesh was added.
We prophecy like that sometimes..saying "Thus saith the Lord".. When the Lord said something similar but a little different. He's not pleased by this at all because he tells Moses to sit in the corner and wait... I can't help but think that this somehow ties in??? Or maybe l'm stretching it because l don't understand.
Now...can you still help me understand how the Lord can be sanctified in the Jew before they are justified? And is it a "suddenly" possibility? Is God just saying that they haven't honored his name and that by simply seeing him for who he is and honoring him for it is enough? No big long process of sanctification like we go through...Justification does the job? And why not just say that? thanks...
Maybe it's the Christians who don't understand the process and we've been striving after the wind? Trying to obtain the unobtainable..because here..in this passage the two words seem to be one...in a relative moment of time?
I'm not getting something here...I understand sanctification and it's process in the believer...I actually know what the word means but l'm stumbling here because;
How can the heathen see the Lord sanctified in the Jews or the nation if they(Jews) aren't yet justified??
Even l feel l'm not through this process. What am l not understanding about this word and it's use?
There is mention of it when the Lord address Moses and Aaron at the rock they stuck in error...The Lord tells them they didn't sanctify him. Big time error right... I felt like the Lord was saying Moses placed the 3 of them in agreement to what Moses did... In this order..Moses Aaron and the Lord? So they didn't set the Lord apart from their own words and actions..their flesh was added.
We prophecy like that sometimes..saying "Thus saith the Lord".. When the Lord said something similar but a little different. He's not pleased by this at all because he tells Moses to sit in the corner and wait... I can't help but think that this somehow ties in??? Or maybe l'm stretching it because l don't understand.
Now...can you still help me understand how the Lord can be sanctified in the Jew before they are justified? And is it a "suddenly" possibility? Is God just saying that they haven't honored his name and that by simply seeing him for who he is and honoring him for it is enough? No big long process of sanctification like we go through...Justification does the job? And why not just say that? thanks...
Maybe it's the Christians who don't understand the process and we've been striving after the wind? Trying to obtain the unobtainable..because here..in this passage the two words seem to be one...in a relative moment of time?
The Lord is going to take His due by bringing human rule to an end and revelaling Himself to the unbelieving world..... a real shock. The passages in discussion show Him revealing Himself and who He is not just to Israel but to all of the nations at the time. He is coming to take vengence on those who refuse to believe the truth about Him. Both Israel and the nations will be subjected to His wrath for unbelief. He will bring His dealing with national Israel front and center and will make good on His promises to the believing remnant part of the nation at the time of the end. He will also show the world that what so many have rejected, discounted, and refuted about Israel is in fact true (many of "professing" Christianity take this position at risk and so is much of the world anti-semitic). Those who do this position themselves against the Lord and His purposes. He is Himself an Israelite by His humanity and also the nation's Messiah and King. He will rule a mortal world for 1,000 years from Jerusalem and Israel and the nations will know from that day forward the He is the Lord ..... very few have or do believe this today. He will restore the kingdom to national Israel. Other suggested related reading would be: Ezekiel 37, 38, 39; Jeremiah 30,31; Isaiah 11, Micah 4,4; and Zechariah 12,13,14.
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The return of Israel to the Land of Israel from the nations in the 20th century is reflected in the scope of Bible prophecy. [Ezekiel 36, 37, 38 & 39] Israel's absence or presence in the Land of Israel has a direct correlation with stopping and restarting the prophetic clock. The nation of Israel today is positioned for the start of the beginning of the 70th week decreed for the nation by God which will then run its course for a period of 7 years and culminate in the visible return of Jesus to the earth. [Daniel 9, 12].
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Hi Stephen and All,
I wonder what would have happened if the translators for all the versions had cited the encompassing seventy periods-of-time, and the seven periods-of-time, and the sixty-two periods-of-time (all shibrah), and only the seventieth as a WEEK (shabuwa). Do you think people would have been so quick to presume a 490 sum?
If the translators had not construed the scriptures toward a Jesus fulfillment, do you think we could have seen a messiah (small "m") at the end of the seven periods-of-time, and a second messiah (small "m") after the sixty-two periods-of-time? -- Please note that the Revised Standard Version, the Message, the English Standard Version, the Jewish Publication Society, and Isaac Newton all got it right. All other versions effected a Jesus fulfillment by twisting the punctuation. --
I guess it's no wonder we struggle with prophecy. We can't even follow the simple instructions given in Daniel 12:4. And we don't want Daniel 12:9 either.
Rule #1, wait until the time of the end. Rule #2, see rule #1.
... HA. I'm smarter than that ...
With Best Regards,
DaDad
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