The study of the beasts of Revelation is a real challenge and the approach to accurate and meaningful understanding needs to include some basic tenets. The visions are dimensional, interactive, and interdependent. A broad knowledge of text pertaining to the subjects is essential and requires careful investigation of the visions contained in other sections of the Bible as well as a comprehensive grasp of the Book of Revelation.

A great deal of symbolism is used and it is necessary to define the meaning of each symbol and its application. Many of the definitions are explained within the text and some are not. The symbol of the "dragon" is used in the Book of Revelation to represent Satan and his relationship to the kingdoms of the Gentiles as "the god of this world". Satan is a fallen angel and is the instigator of a rebellion against God's position and authority.

The symbol of a "beast" is used in Revelation to identify two specific fallen angels. They are master princes who worship Satan as their god and do his bidding on the earth. The first is Abaddon, the angelic prince who rules over all of the seven Gentile kingdoms of the world and is also king of the fallen angels of the abyss.
He is seen coming out of the sea in Revelation chapter 13. The sea is symbolic for the Gentile masses that surround the nation of Israel. The same are the many waters that the woman (symbol for human organization apart from God's providence and direction) sits on. These are described as peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

The second is the false prophet who will control two religious clerics (two horns) who support Abaddon and will lead a cult religion that worships him as a god.He is seen as coming out of the land. The land is symbolic for the Land of Israel and this will be where he will operate when the first beast occupyies and controls Jerusalem and the temple mount.

Satan is addressed early in Ezekiel 38 and 39 as Gog the "chief" angelic prince of Mesheck and Tubal. He is the same as the dragon revealed in Revelation. Revelation 12 includes a vision of Satan's role as the god of this world, and ruler of the kingdoms of the Gentiles. He is the enemy of God and Jesus, the predator of the nation of Israel, and the adversary of the Christian (Jew and Gentile). This vision includes seven heads (dominions), seven angelic principalities (indicated by the crowns) seven human king positions (not in the vision), and ten additional human kings (indicated by the horns). [Revelation 12:3]

Satan delegates authority over these dominions to Abaddon. Further investigation of chapters 9, 11, 13, 16, and 17 will reveal Abaddon as the first beast of Revelation who receives power and authority from Satan. Some details are not included in Revelation 12 and they have to be referenced in other related visions included in Revelation, Daniel, and Ezekiel. The seven human king positions not seen in chapter 12 are revealed in chapter 17. Daniel's little horn, king of the north, is Abaddon incarnate and he also occupies the 6th (king that "is") and 7th (king "yet to come") king positions.

This vision presents a picture of Satan's past and future relentless pursuit of attempting to disrupt and destroy God's plans for the salvation and future translation of human beings into an eternal state of existence. He has been on this track since he discovered God's purposes related to the creation of humans, provision of a remedy for their salvation, and their eventual inheritance of His universe. It should be noted that the time line of this part of the vision starts with Satan's rebellion which included drawing off 1/3 of the angels to follow him in the distant past after his creation and initial habitation of God's universe. [Revelation 12:4] He will have all of these angels with him when he is cast to earth at the beginning of the 70th week. [Revelation 12:4, 12:9] God will allow the release of those which are in the abyss and those bound at the Euphrates River for the purpose of taking part in His judgment process of the earth. [Jude 1:6] [2 Peter 2:4] [Revelation 9:1, 9:11, 9:14]

Abaddon is now among the captured abyss angels and is their king. He is also Satan's christ (antichrist), the first beast of Revelation. He will be released with them at the beginning of the 70th week. [Revelation 9:11, 13, 16, 17] Abaddon and the abyss angels are the ones who inhabited the pre-Adamite earth and were involved with the corruption of humans before Noah's flood. They were all sent to the abyss during the flood except for Abaddon. [2 Peter 2:4] Abaddon was free to continue and rule his five Middle Eastern post-flood dominions and was then sent to the abyss just before the first century.

The four bound Euphrates angels were the angelic princes of Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and Grecia. These were subordinated to Abaddon in his past rule of the Middle East and will be released to do his bidding at the time of the end. Their function will be to lead their fallen angelic armies to kill 1/3 of all humans during the tribulation of the 70th week. [Revelation 9:15-20]

Abaddon ruled his first dominion, the Land of Magog, after the flood himself. He will rule over the 6th and 7th dominions of the little horn when he is released from the abyss at the time of the end. The rest of the fallen angels have been and are with Satan now and they reside as powers and principalities of the air (the earth's atmosphere).

Satan and these angels still have access to the heavenly dimensions, but will be thrown down to the earth with him at the time of the end. [Revelation 12:4, 12:9] Next the vision moves to Satan's attempt to kill Jesus in the first century (second part of chapter 12 verse 4), and then jumps to the time of the end of this age when he will be earth bound and will persecute Israel. [Revelation 12:6] The vision then re-states these things and adds more details. [Revelation 12:7-17] Michael and his angels will force Satan and his angels that reside with him out of the heavenly dimensions. This archangel is assigned to Israel and he will stand up against Satan at the beginning of the time of the end. [Daniel 12:1] [Revelation 12:7]

Satan and his angels will be thrown down to the earth and denied access to the heavenly dimensions at the beginning of the 70th week. The restraining function of God's Holy Spirit will be removed to allow Satan freedom to destroy the earth. He will go forth with great wrath because he will know that his time is short. He will cause great destruction on the earth, attack the nation of Israel, and will persecute believers on a worldwide scale. [Revelation 12:12-17] Satan knows that God is working out His plans and purposes through the nation of Israel and believes that Israel's destruction will complicate, if not end, the process. He has great fear of Jesus and knows that he must attempt to eliminate Him or be eliminated himself. He knows that Jesus will return to the earth and to Israel at the time and will attempt to prevent this.

The woman with the crown of 12 stars represents the nation (twelve tribes) of Israel. She is presented in contrast to the kingdoms of the Gentiles and is Satan's main target for destruction. {Revelation 12:1-2, 12:5-6, 12:13-17] God will protect a remnant of Israel who will flee into the east (Jordanian wilderness area of Petra). Their place of refuge will be off limits to Satan for 1260 days (3 1/2 years) during the reign of Abaddon. [Revelation 12:6, 12:13-16] Only one third of the Israelites living in the Land of Israel will escape death. Two thirds will be killed. Some will be taken into captivity by their attackers and some will flee into the wilderness where they will be protected by God from the beast. [Zechariah 12,13,14]

It is important to know that Satan and Abaddon are not the same entities. Careful observation of their destinies and the timing of the same will support this fact. They are shown as separate beings when the kings and their armies are gathered for war at Armageddon. These three, the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet, set the gathering in motion. Abaddon is the beast who was, is not, and will come out of the abyss at the time of the end. Satan will be allowed to release him from the abyss. He has the symbolic body of a leopard, the feet of a bear, and the mouth of a lion. These three "animal" beasts are the symbolic parts of Abaddon's Middle Eastern dominions including Grecia (leopard), Persia (bear), and neo-Babylon (lion).

These three empires are contained in Daniel's visions showing that they had their dominions taken away, but their lives were prolonged in part so that they would exist at the time of the end. Abaddon has ruled over five ancient dominions located in the Middle East in the past. These were the Land of Magog, the Akkadian/Assyrian Empire, followed by neo-Babylon, Persia, and Grecia. He will rule over two successive additional dominions at the time of the end. The second one will include the geographical land area and human inhabitants of the ancient dominions of the lion, bear, and the leopard.

John's vision of Abaddon is from the perspective of his final stage of development in chapters 13 and 17. He is incarnated and has become one with the little horn (human king). The little horn is the king that "is" and the king that "shall come". He does not appear as the "little horn" in chapters 13 and 17, but as Abaddon the beast. Other visions in Revelation and Daniel will support the identity of the little horn as this king of the time of the end.

There are no visible horns or crowns connected with the other five heads (dominions) in chapters 13 and 17. This is because the vision is focused on the time of the end. The positions of the human kings and angelic princes of these past dominions have expired and are no longer functional. John sees one of the heads (dominions) as though it were wounded to death. This was the termination of the northern Greek dominion in the Middle East. The Greeks lost their empire to the Romans in warfare (by the sword). When Abaddon is released from the abyss at the time of the end his position of power and authority will be healed. He will again have a dominion (head healed) in the Middle East as in the past.

John sees a star (angel) "fall" from heaven who has the key to the abyss for the purpose of releasing Abaddon and the other abyss angels. This star is Satan who is thrown to earth during the 70th week. One of God's angels "comes down" from heaven and has the key for imprisoning Satan himself in the abyss after Armageddon and just before the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on the earth. Satan is held in the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations for 1,000 years. He will be released again, that is Gog (Satan) and Magog (symbolic for the nations), to deceive once again before he is destroyed in the lake of fire.

There are ten additional contemporary human kings (horns) in this vision who are present during the little horn's rule of both the sixth and seventh dominions at the time of the end. The little horn is the eleventh king of the set and will develop the sixth smaller dominion into the seventh divided dominion under the influence and control of Abaddon. Abaddon will then incarnate him, become the eighth king himself, and rule the divided dominion for 42 months.

The ten additional human kings have crowns indicating the presence of ten angelic princes who will serve Abaddon and control the kings. The view of the ten horns seen in Revelation 12 links them with satanic influence and presents them without crowns. Further investigation of chapter 13 will reveal the same horns as kings with crowns granted by Abaddon at the time of the end.

There is another woman in Revelation 17 and 18 who represents the organized unsaved masses of the Gentiles and their cities. She is the "other woman" in contrast to the woman (nation of Israel) of Revelation 12. It should be noted that Israel's behavior and intransigence toward God has placed her in the same position as Mystery Babylon (Revelation 17 and 18), but His covenant with Israel will stand and she will ultimately turn back to Him. The woman of Revelation 17 and 18 is connected with all seven dominions (heads) of the beast (Abaddon). Her presence began shortly after the flood when humans began to build cities with collective populations. She is the nucleus of the dominion ruled by the human king and they are both influenced and controlled by Satan through his angelic hosts.

A very significant event will take place at the beginning of the 70th week that will include a lethal attack against Mystery Babylon's "great city". The little horn (human king) and the ten other kings will hate her and destroy her with fire in one day. Her primary feature is her arrogance and economic materialism which has a controlling worldwide influence. This great city will not be located in the Middle East where the little horn has his base of operations. God uses Satan and his angelic and human hosts to judge her for intransigence. God will also reduce all of her other cities in the world to rubble at the time of the end with a worldwide earthquake. Human self-rule including government, social infrastructure, offensive and defensive military, economic systems, culture, false religions, etc. will end.

The second beast of Revelation is also a fallen angel and he will operate through two religious clerics (two horns). This beast is identified further as the false prophet who will promote the cult of the first beast. He will present the cult as one that is to bring peace to the earth (will look like a lamb), but will actually preach (speak like a dragon) hatred and violence toward those who will not submit to the religion. The attempt will be made to mimic the earthly Kingdom of Jesus which will come in the wake of the destruction of Satan's final kingdom of the Gentiles. The religion of Abaddon and the false prophet will promote this lie. The false prophet will perform signs and wonders which will convince humans that Abaddon is a god. Those that follow will make and/or possess an image of Abaddon for the purpose of idol worship.

There are some very strange statements made related to this activity. This image can apparently sense individuals who will refuse to worship Abaddon and can kill, or have them killed. These idols may actually be a demonic connection to a satanic network of fallen angels. There is scriptural support for the presence of large numbers of these angels operating on the earth at the time of the end. The idols carried by the followers of Abaddon may be able to detect and transmit information on humans who will not submit to their religion. Those who refuse to submit will then be hunted down by Satan's agents and killed. It is possible that there will be an image or idol of this type placed in Israel on the temple mount. Some consider this to be the abomination of desolation that is to be set up during the time of the end.

There will be an attempt made to restrict the economic transactions of those who will not worship Abaddon. Humans will need to display identification of the mark of the beast (the false prophet) in order to buy or sell. This mark is described as "the number of a man" and it is 666. This may be a number that identifies the little horn (human king) who will be incarnated by Abaddon. It could also be some sort of numbering system that humans must be registered under. Many have tried to identify the little horn (human king) using numerical equivalents for the letters of his name in the past. None have been correct. My opinion is that this relationship and the meaning of the number will not be evident until the time of the end.

Satan will be the power behind Abaddon and the false prophet. His christ, Abaddon , will rule the Middle East for 42 months (3 1\2 years), and will cause great tribulation for the nation of Israel and the rest of the world. Abaddon, the ten kings, other kings of the world, and their armies will be challenged by Jesus and His armies and defeated at Armageddon.

Exo 14:16 But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.

the sea is the gentile nations surrounding ISRAEL.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

SATAN IS THE PREDATOR OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS

Yes. The "sea" is the symbol for the gentile nations sorrounding Israel in the Middle East ..... both in ancient times and today. Today these are the Islamic nations of the Middler East ..... Israel's direct enemies from ancient times ..... they are still the same. The "land" on the other hand is the "land" of Israel. The false prophet will appear in the Land of Israel at the time of the end. The beast will arise out of the "sea" ..... out of the inhabitants of the Middle East.

Yes. Satan is the predator specifically of national Israel and the Body of Christ. He also preys on all of humanity and seeks to kill in many ways. Satan hates the human who has the potential to gain eternal life. He knows that he has lost the game, but he does not intend to repent.

and so it carries on........
C

Stephen's "corporate theology" is very interesting. I should look into this. Maybe he's on to something here! LOL!

You should

So this is what you believe Stephen and you call others a cult?

Pre Adamic Satanic Races



Though the genesis of man, and even the esoteric geology, will surely be rejected by Science just as much as the Satanic and pre-Adamic races. SDI 325.



A view may be that the Prince of Darkness also known as the Prince of the World, the son of the morning, a great kumara of the Satanic race of Angels who brought light to the dark star, Earth, he who came with the directive as given by Sanat/Satan Kumara the first kumara who being the virgin or sexless youth esoterically, as was the lord Lucifer, is responsible for ensuring that humanity over which Lucifer rules, becomes the planetary light bearer.

The fall as we know was of heavenly wisdom into satanic/saturnian matter for this is the cause of the losing of his, Lucifer's sexless state of virginal chastity. Sanat Kumara only incarnated into etheric matter not of course the denser coats of flesh, the oily sheath or animal man.

Satan or Saturn we are told is the one true god of earth which brings the girdle of matter and karmic limitation, this is the true battle of light and darkness and the battle between..the Archangel Michael is called "Godly reflection of God" and even God; whereas Satan is his adversary or his shadow. HR.

So Lucifer is indeed the Lord of Darkness, though as to being the head of the Black Hierarchy..Though as he rules over humanity and the karmic limitation of humanity involves matter and Saturn maybe he is responsible for the overseeing of the struggle between humanity and the dark lodge which is at war with humanity! Is this a feasible hypothesis?

Well the identity as a Satan is of course appropriate to the first Satanic races of the Satans, the Archangels Michael and Lucifer are identical! according to one writer in HPBs SD and yet Melchizedek is not Lucifer as they are differentiated by DK as being on alternative lines of training. So this Michael is not Melchizedek?

All are Satans and Archangels and the battle is the Armageddon between light and matter. Melchizedek is head of the planetary hierarchy and Lucifer rules humanity girdled in the darkness of matter yet all are bearers of heavenly light and its future planetary demonstration. JPC.

Though the genesis of man, and even the esoteric geology, will surely be rejected by Science just as much as the Satanic and pre-Adamic races.. SDI 325.

..in comparison it must be said if here one is annoyed by devils, the Archangel is threatened by Satan himself. FW2 30.

According to HPB Satan and Saturn i.e. karmic limitation in matter are identical. Though Lucifer and his hosts incarnated much later than the satanic races, that was the rebellion or alternative initiative according to DK. JC.

People are preoccupied with the definition of the boundary between good and evil. Many legends are dedicated to this definition. It is related that in order to define this boundary an Archangel placed his resplendent glaive between good and evil. Hier 274.

Venus (otherwise Lucifer or Satan) SD2 30.

Letters Of Helena Roerich II, 3 December 1937. Lucifer is now at the head of the Black Brotherhood, which is very powerful, for it has co-workers among the masses over the entire span of the planet.

Sanat Kumara is not on the Sirian line but - to speak in symbols, not too deeply veiled - Lucifer, Son of the Morning, is closely related, and hence the large number of human beings who will become disciples in the Sirian Lodge. Rays 415. [1960]

This idea and representative notion is that of the all-powerful champion -- child-like in his 'Virgin innocence' -- so powerful that this god-filled innocence (the Seraphim 'Know most,' the Cherubim 'love most') can shatter the world (articulated, so to use the word -- in the magic of Lucifer, but condemned) in opposition to the artful constructions (this 'side-life') of the magnificent apostate, the mighty rebel, but yet at the same time the 'Light-bringer,' the Lucifer, the 'Morning Star,' the 'Son of the morning' -- the very highest title 'out of heaven, 'for in heaven it cannot be, but out of heaven it is everything. In an apparently incredible side of his character -- qualities are of no sex -- this archangel, St. Michael, is the invincible, sexless, celestial 'Energy' -- to dignify him by his grand characteristics -- the invisible 'Virgin Combatant,' clothed . . . and at the same time armed, in the denying mail of the Gnostic 'refusal to create.' This is another . . . 'myth within myths' . . . a stupendous 'mystery of mysteries,' because it is so impossible and contradictory. Unexplainable as the Apocalypse. Unrevealable as the 'Revelation' " Hargrave Jennings SD2 239.

Thus, Satan being perfect in wisdom, and beauty, His vast empire is our earth, if not the whole solar system. . . . Certainly no other angelic power of greater or even equal dignity has been revealed to us. SDII 229.

It was THE SATANIC RACE AND RACES! "Satan (was) never in heaven, Angels and men (being) one species." It was the pre-Adamic race of "Angels..."The earlier ages of the Satanic race, and more especially during the life-time of Satan (!!!) may have been a period of patriarchal civilization and comparative repose -- a time of Tubal-Cains and Jubals, when both Sciences and arts attempted to strike their roots into the accursed ground. . . . . What a subject for an epic. SDI 324.

The word Virgo itself is a descendant of and a corruption of an ancient Atlantean root name which was applied to the mother principle in those far off times. This Virgin was the founder of the matriarchate which then dominated civilization and to which various myths and legends bear evidence and which have come down to us concerning Lilith, the last of the Virgin Goddesses of Atlantean times; the same thought is also to be found in the traditionally accounts of the ancient Amazons, whose queen Hercules defeated, wresting from her what he sought. This is an allegory, teaching the emergence of the spiritual man from the control of matter. EA 253.

First "Virgo," the Celestial Virgin of the Zodiac, she became "Virgo-Scorpio." But in evolving his second companion, man had unwittingly endowed her with his own share of Spirituality; and the new being whom his "imagination" had called into life became his "Saviour" from the snares of Eve-Lilith, the first Eve, who had a greater share of matter in her composition than the primitive "spiritual" man. Isis2 445.

This symbolism has come down from the far-off period of the Matriarchate, which had a religion that recalled the ancient ways of the earlier system and in which period of time Lilith symbolized the World Mother, until Eve took her place. EH 363.

Lilith was Adam's first wife "before he married Eve," of whom "he begat nothing but devils"; which strikes us as a very novel, if pious, way of explaining a very philosophical allegory. Isis2 466.

Though the genesis of man, and even the esoteric geology, will surely be rejected by Science just as much as the Satanic and pre-Adamic races. SDI 325.

The earlier ages of the Satanic race.. Who, then,or what were those races, since the author still maintains that Adam is the first man of our race? It was THE SATANIC RACE AND RACES! SDI 324.

..it naturally followed that while the power of the female diminished the power of the male increased, and as the ability to influence the form and features of a child descended through the male line, the heredity so established finally resulted in a race of giants. Temple Teachings I 323.

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Is the Word of the Lord a cult?

The scriptures explain this truth ..... not a cult, but the Word of the Lord. It is your Your "manchild", "corporate", "dominion now" theological beliefs that are "cultic" and are extra-Biblical. This is because the idea was contrived by the false teachers of these last days. No scriptural support for the cult that you follow ..... none.

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Most Charismatic-leaning “prophets” have transitioned from the previously held traditional premillennial eschatology to some weird “new” thing—“new” apostolic, “new” prophetic,” “new” Reformation-based eschatology which if anyone would take the time to look, is nothing but old, old, old amillennialism, Dominion, Kingdom Now teaching dressed up in Fundamental Premilliennial-sounding terminology. So much so that many people could be fooled, or deceived, by these teachings without realizing it.

How can one tell the real thing from the “new” thing? The new thing will ALWAYS have more of positive element than negative. It will always tout the great healings that are going to take place, the great miracles, the “greater things than these” that are going to accompany the greatest revival the world has ever seen. In its more bodacious forms, it even touts “super-apostles” that are about to appear.

My suggestion: Do NOT follow them. No matter how many people they raise from the dead “in Jesus name;” no matter how many people they heal “in Jesus name.” Such a movement of God is NOT prophesied for our time, while exactly such a ministry of Satan IS prophesied, and it is prophesied that the lying signs and wonders and miracles that will accompany the coming of the antichrist will deceive many who will believe they are of God—in spite of the fact that God has clearly foretold us that they are not of God but of the Devil.

Your game is a dangerous one to play ..... tottering on the edge of the abyss. A fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God for corrupting His Word ..... and teaching others to do the same

more from your Pre-Adamic beliefs:

The nonsense you post here is radically unconnected with what the scriptures tell of the fallen angelic world as the Lord reveals it. Shows that you know nothing about your adversary .....and he has you duped into his cult.

No Stephen this is from an article that explains the believes of a group of people in a preAdamic race. I am just gathering quotes from their site. You know, ..........the same way you gather your info about the manchild.

Here is another quote:

There are many that believe in a pre-Adamic race, including me, as it is written in God's Word. I have never heard of the things you have noted here.


........Whirlwind

Brother, many is never a good word in the Kingdom of God, because God always uses a remnant, meaning "few". The masses have always been wrong. Popular belief is just that: popular.
You will actually be hated and mocked for the truth.Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hated them



Maybe you should look a bit further into whom you share this belief with.

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I have never seen anything about a race that were before Adam. Jesus also did not mention anything about it.

Sin only entered after Adam fell, so death entered for the first time. So if sin was not in the planet before , no death would have occurred. If sin entered, death would have been in the earth and Adam would not have escaped that curse. Jesus would then have to first come to redeem the first race from the curse of death and pay for it , before Adam could be sin free from the beginning.





Light came, sun came, moon came, stars came, life was created , plants for the first time in Genesis. Then came man for the first time. And God saw that it was good (for the first time)
Adam got to name them for the first time:Gen 2:19 And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them: and whatsoever the man called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Gen 2:20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; but for man there was not found a help meet for him.
After sin entered: The planet were cursed , including the ground, for the first time.

God was not doing 'trial runs" and failing and destroying the bad work and starting again. He is still in Plan A.
Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world, because God was busy with THIS Plan A.

This Plan A has always been about bringing many Sons to maturity.

The Pre-Adamic is a doctrine that has been created by men.

C

1Co 15:45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

“For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive” (1 Corinthians 15:21-22). There was no death before Adam, so unless we see a lot of immortals running around with Adam, then I am afraid this is just a urban legend.
C

Perhaps He thought it was common knowledge. After all, it was written.....in the beginning.





Consider the possibility that no one died before "death entered for the first time." I don't know, this is speculation only but when God said, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it" it could be that they lived very long lives.....as did Adam and his family. In doing so they could greatly "multiply and replenish." Or, it could be the scripture is speaking of the death of the soul....not physical death (see below.)





Perhaps but I see it in His Word. There are many differences given as to the creation of mankind and formation of Adam. I believe those differences show there were men before Adam.


Genesis 1:26 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

27.So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

28.And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."


This was mankind...all the races and they were hunters, fishers, etc. they lived off the land. He created them, man and woman at the same time and ....it was good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.


Gensis 2:5 ....for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

7.And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

18.And the Lord God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him."

19.And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam.....

21.And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22.And the rib which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man.


There was no one to farm so he formed Adam on the eighth day. Mankind He "created" on the sixth day but He "formed" Adam. With mankind He created man and woman at the same time. With Adam He first formed domestic animals to help Adam with farming and then He brought Eve into existance. He breathed a living soul into Adam....did He do that with mankind before Adam? I don't know, it isn't written but if He didn't then that would answer the "death came into the world through Adam." Death of the soul!


Adam and Eve were formed to bring Christ into the world. They are separate and distinct from mankind.


Just recently there was an article on some science program where they stated that there appeared to be hunter/gatherers long before agriculture. But suddenly, agriculture sprang forward......Adam!


Adam was to till the ground....plant seeds in the field. Seeds of truth in the world.


............Whirlwind

It appears our posts crossed.


I answered this is my other post but I'll address it again.


My belief is.....death, as used in that scripture, is death of the soul. Just as" in Christ we are all made alive," means our spirit is made alive. It doesn't mean that belief in Him keeps our physical bodies alive.


........Whirlwind

Brother, you and I will live forever, for one reaon only: Jesus came and took the curse on Him. IN that curse was death of our bodies as well.

Your BODY has been slowly dying because of sin:

Rom 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.

Death killed not only the spirit and souls of Adam and Eve, but it entered their bodies as well. For the FIRST time.

PreAdamic is a complicated doctrine that man has created to try and explain the existence of things that they cannot believe, like where did the Dinos come from and "prehistoric man"

Well, a little research on the Net and looking into your Bible (Job) you will see that the answer is simple.Science is not all knowing nor need we bow to their "knowledge" which has set itself up against the knowledge of God.

C

I agree....did I write anything to make you believe differently?





That is a debatable point. My understanding of those scriptures is that "death" is the death of the soul where "life" is spiritual life. Our flesh bodies will not live forever but our spiritual bodies will, hopefully, become immortal. When that happens...."The last enemy that shall be abolished is death."





Understanding that there were humans on earth before Adam isn't at all complicated, nor was it created by man to explain anything. It was written by God and is there for us to see. Some will see and some won't but overall....it isn't a matter of salvation. It does, however, answer many questions.


Where did the races come from, who was the wife of Cain, why was there a "city" built by Cain if they were the only two, etc. God isn't the author of confusion so we know the answers are in His Book. So....the answer is simple, I agree, but it isn't from science at all....it is in His Book.


There were humans, those created on the sixth day and there was Adam, formed on the eighth day. He was different from all others as from Him our Saviour would come. Science doesn't tell us that....Father does.


.......Whirlwind

Hi Brother, I must admit that this is nor really a subject that fascinates me, I pointed it out, because Stephen promotes it, and it is not written in the Bible, but it is a doctrine that has been introduced to "explain" things, (like the city of Cain. I also know of the counter argument in this matter. I have read about the formula etc that we use to calculate the amount of people on earth, if the planet started with two: then a generation, then incest ...which was allowed in the beginning by God......then progressively due to their long lives, their were enough people to build a small city. Its not even vaguely unreasonable)
I know the word replenish, in the English that the KJ was first printed in, just meant "fill" in the beginning, but language evolve over time. You would not for instance write to somebody today and say: " I am gay' when you want to say I am happy, but not long ago, the girl in West Side Story was singing it to the world and everybody knew this girl was going to go after that boy

I say all this with respect. I am really not trying to offend, but only say: Some years ago, this was great for me to study this and I did. Now somehow I cannot seem to get my teeth into all of it. I Googled both sides of this argument and if you do not have closed opinion, then you will find many good argument, pro and against.
I can just say that the arguments , regarding Jesus and the cross, and sin and when it came and what it did, should clear it up. Because sin actually stopped Adam's immortality. He would have been here today, if he did not sin.
From the other side of the coin, I can just as easily prove to you via Scripture that it was Adam's body that changed when they sinned. HE moved "down" in what he use to be. The Bible likens his flesh now to the flesh of an animal. He lost the glory (light) and when he "downgraded" he saw that he was naked. Why" Because the Light was gone. Jesus on the mountain showed a little of that to the disciples and so did Moses coming down the mountain.

We know very little , and we will be amazed when we see it all for what it is.

your brother
C

It is very fascinating to me but I understand if it is not to you. I will disagree when you say it is not written in the Bible, for I have pointed out where it is written.




You do not offend at all and yes, we will be amazed. How wonderful it will be to know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.....so help me God!


.......Whirlwind