The calling of the 144,000

God has designated Mt Zion in Jerusalem as a sanctuary where a pocket of Christians will be protected by God from the persecution of the Anti-Christ during the Great Tribulation.

Joel 2:32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

The survivors, who will be “accounted worth to escape these things” will “stand” before the Son of Man.

Luke 21:36 , and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

And who do we ultimately find standing on Mt Zion with Christ at His advent?

Revelation 14: 1Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. 2And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. 3And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

As you well have discussed that the 144,000 represent the 12 tribes of Israel, it is the fulfillment of this prophecy that Paul is talking about when he states that all Israel will be saved.

Romans 11: 25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

And it is this gospel of the kingdom that precedes the end.

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yes, the gospel of Christ’s salvation is the most important message that should exit our mouths. But Christ was giving us another gospel, one of the events that lead up to His advent. Now there are those that would have us believe that Matt 24:14 is about the gospel of Chris’s salvation. However, if it was about the gospel of Christ’s salvation the end would have already come because that gospel has been preach to all nations for hundreds of years.

Joel 2:32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls.

This is the gospel Christ was talking about in Matt 24:14. And if you understand this you are being called.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

My understanding is that the area of Mt. Zion isn't where we will be delivered but the One that stands on Mt. Zion is our deliverance. If we wait for the true Christ and not fall for the deceiver's tricks then we will be protected.....we remain a child of God and His wrath is not against us....we do not take the mark of the beast (believe his lies.)





That is very interesting. I agree with you Guy Smith, "if it was about the gospel of Christ’s salvation the end would have already come because that gospel has been preach to all nations for hundreds of years. The gospel that must be preached now is that we must "call on the name of the LORD."


Part of that knowledge, to me, part of what must be preached means that we must be aware that Satan comes first. If we "call on the name of the LORD," we will not fall for his lies.....we will wait for the true Christ.


...........Whirlwind

In thinking further on your post allow me to add this: That gospel will be preached, as stated in Matthew 24:14, "in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."


When will that be? The elect will accomplish that as written:


Matthew 24:9 Then they shall deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated of all nations for My name's sake.


The other gospels give a more thorough description of this event. Also, I believe the "shall kill you" means to try to kill you spiritually, not physically and shown in Luke when he tells us of the same event.


Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.

13.And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14.Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15.For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16.And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

18.But there shall not an hair of your head perish.


Being "put to death" means being put before Satan....death is one of his names. So...when those above scriptures say, "afflicted, death, kill," it is spiritual. God tells us that "not a hair of your head perish." Satan will try to convince you of your error in not believing he is Christ and try to kill your soul.


I believe the above time, right before the end, is when the gospel you are speaking of will be preached. When the Holy Spirit speaks through God's elect. That truth will be what opens the eyes of the 144,000 and they will then be sealed with the truth.


.........Whirlwind

Hello Whirlwind,

There will be those who will have been martyred and those who will be alive at the second coming. I take from your post that you prefer to be martyred?

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith

Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Scripture please.....

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen.

"3. "my Gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ" The entire clause, to euaggelion mou kai to khrugma Ihsou Cristou (lit. "the gospel of mine and the preaching of Jesus Christ), forms a Sharp TSKTS construction (Sharp's rule VI, ie, article - substantive - kai - article - substantive). The two substantives, gospel and preaching, are therefore being distinguished because both substantives have the definite article. Had Paul used the Sharp TSKS construction (Sharp's rule I, ie. article-substantive-kai-substantive), the idea would be just the opposite, uniting the two substantives in some kind of union. The implication would be that the gospel of Paul and preaching of Jesus Christ referred to the same thing, or at least were being viewed together as a unit. That is, "the preaching of Jesus Christ" would be a restating or further explaining the meaning of "my gospel," with Paul himself being the one performing the action implied in the word preaching. However, Paul's use of the TSKTS construction strongly implies he meant to distinguish my gospel from the preaching of Jesus Christ. The former being Paul's own (or the Gospel of Luke), and the latter that which Jesus Christ Himself preached. This is very weighty support for our observation in note 2, that Jesus Christ is subjective genitive. Paul's gospel and Jesus Christ's preaching are to be distinguished as distinct things in this context. This is not to say they are different gospels or that their content is different. It merely means that Paul's gospel is not the same thing as Jesus' preaching. The preaching was done by Jesus Christ Himself, not Paul's preaching about Jesus Christ, as has been wrongly claimed by some. "

From here: http://www.geocities.com/~lasttrumpet/pd_23.html

His point has some application here. Jesus preaching is said to establish them, just as Pauls, and both are said to be accorording to the revelation of the mystery.

The mystery was hidden in the OT scriptures by certain literary devices which tend to transgress many pf our literal methods of interpretation. A "for instance" is Psalm 22. It is written in the first person, and from a strict grammatical method of interpretation, it was about David. But any kindegarten age Christian child can see it is about Christ, and the NT writers cited it quite often in that context.

It is by such methods that God concealed "the mystery" until after his resurrection.

Luke 24:
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

Why would God do conceal it?
1 Cor 2:7-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Jesus hid the mystery in parables publically, and was the first to begin to reveal the mystery directly to his disciples:
Mark 4:10-12
10 And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.
11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

So it is quite clear that the gospel Jesus preached was indeed the same as that first preached to Israel by Jesus Christ. The is certainly no scriptural reason to think otherwise.

I do watch, I do pray. The question would be....how does one escape His wrath? To know that you must know who He will be angry with.


Revelation 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast and upon them which worshipped his image.

14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand.

10.The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:


So....as that shows us the wrath of God is reserved only for those that take the mark of the beast. The gospel that needs to be preached is how do we avoid taking the mark!


No one will be martyred before the arrival of Christ. We may be in for a difficult time but no one will be killed. Satan will be pretending to be Christ. All the killing he will attempt is to slay your soul with lies, a flood of lies.


There are two tribulations...actually one tribulation, that of Satan and then Christ arrives and those that have taken the mark will experience His wrath.


...........Whirlwind

I assumed, incorrectly, that Guy Smith meant a different message....not a different gospel.


I believe there are other things that must be stressed in these end times....not just salvation but what He expects of us in the end of days.


Surely no one would teach a completely new gospel. Jesus said, "I have foretold you all things." and all instructions for us will be contained in His Word.


.........Whirlwind

Yeah a classic dispensational believer (who separates Israel and the Church) implicitly states that there is one gospel for the Jews, and one for the Gentiles. While it is true that a Jew already believes in God and is expecting their Messiah according scripture (while gentiles have no such hope apart from the promises being shared with them) the fact is, the gospel message of both is "according to the (OT) scriptures".

1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
1Co 15:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
1Co 15:6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
1Co 15:7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

If we need to break this down to prove my points I will, but it is a rather difficult study to line up because it isn't something that anyone who wrote the scriptures ever thought they would have to defend against. It is a flatly unscriptural claim, and really ends with Israel being saved in a different way (some even teach by works) than anyone else. Just depends upon where you divide up the dispensational change from the OT to the NT (i.e. Acts 2, 10, 13, or 28) as to how outlandish the claims become.

Yes they have preached a completely different Gospel than the Gospel of Christ. Since long before You and I were born.
The heresies and change acknowledged by Saint John And Saint Paul as all ready begun in their day.
It has gotten so bad, in 2000 years, that we are going to have to bring actual fire down on some peoples heads to get other peoples attention. The "gospel of man" in Christ's name is not going to save anyone and is an abomination in the sight of God.

I would like to add that when Christ uttered these words:

Matt 24: 14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

...the gospel of Christ dying on the cross to save us had not yet existed. In other word He hadn't been sacrirficed yet. So the only other gospel He could have been talking about was "good news" contained with Matt 24:

In yehoshua,
Guy Smith

Very true guysmith





And it will be preached as this kind of witness unto all nations.


1 Corinthians 2
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Why do you feel it is necessary to be so cryptic? Please say it....the "only other gospel." What is it you see contained in Matthew 24, the "good news" that others don't see?


........Whirlwind

Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I hardly think your statement is scriptural. The work of Christ on the cross was already complete in Gods sight. And since Jesus is God, well, you get the point. He was teaching them the same gospel that the Apostles preached and offering them the same kingdom into which they and we have been translated.

Hello whirlwind,

I did not realize that I was being cryptic.

You stated: What is it you see contained in Matthew 24, the "good news" that others don't see?

My response: God has established a sanctuary from the Anti-Christ during the Great Tribulation and has provided instruction on how to physically escape the GT and be alive at the second coming of Christ.

Matt 24: 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Luke 21:36
36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Christ compares it to Noah’s ark where God provided instructions for a group of “elect” individuals that were slated to physically survive the devastation.

Matt 24: 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matt 24: 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

It will be a flood of persecution instead of a flood of water.

Rev 12: 13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God has designated Mt Zion in Jerusalem as the sanctuary that He is going to protect.

Zechariah 14
1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Joel 2:
31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.
32And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000

superfundy,

Then why hasn't the end come? The gospel of Chist's sacrifice has been preached to every nation for hundreds of years.

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
http://www.geocities.com/guysmith123/144000

Thank you for your reply GuySmith and your explanation.


I think we will all be alive at His second coming. Many will spiritually die during that time but not physically. The difference in how we look at those scriptures from Matthew is our understanding of the Great Tribulation. As He told us, "it will be as the days of Noah," but to me that means the fallen angels will be back....as was in Noah's day. You say the flood of end days will be a "flood of persecution" and I agree but I believe that persecution will be with a flood of deception and lies.


Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; ........

6.And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven

13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles.....

9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails:....

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus andswered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you."

5.For many shall come in My name, saying, 'I am Christ;' and shall deceive many.


Their power is in their mouth, their mouth speaks great things, he opens his mouth, he deceiveth them. The great tribulation will be a time of great deception and lies....that is how he gets the "whole world to wonder after him." That is how he causes Christians that have loved God all their lives to suddenly worship him instead....with deception.





The tribulation, the deception, where Satan is....standing in Jerusalem pretending to be Christ will be so vast you better get out of dodge. The only way you will be worthy to escape the deception is to know the truth, the truth of God's Word....to put the gospel armour on. Know that Satan comes first and don't fall for his deceit.


The scripture, 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! means woe to those who have fallen into bed with Satan...believed him (with child) and to "give suck" means you are actually nursing along his religious system. Woe unto them!





I believe Father knows that everyone can't go to Mt. Zion. To me the deliverance "in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem" is Christ. If we wait for Him, the true Christ, then He is our deliverance.


Something to consider........Whirlwind


edited for incorrect spelling of angels