The Lord’s call for the Church just before the 70th week begins.

I will keep thee from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world to try them that dwell upon the earth. The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ shall rise, and living believers will be caught up together with them to meet Him in the air. Come out of her my people so that you do not share in her destruction and resulting plagues. [Matthew 25:1-13] [1Corinthians 15:51-57] [1Thessalonians 4:13-18] [2Thessalonians 2:1-15] [Revelation 3:10, 18:4]

The seals are opened – A preview of the coming judgments and prevalent conditions during the 70th week.
1. Preaching of the gospel
2. Intense warfare
3. Economic collapse and effects
4. Mass killing of humans
5. Martyrdom of those who turn to the Lord during the 70th week
6. Human attitude and response to the Lord’s judgments
7. Silence in heaven

The Lord’s Covenant of the 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel confirmed during 70th week.
[Daniel 9:24-27]

144,000 mortal Israelites on the earth are sealed for service
[Revelation 7:2-4]
144,000 take gospel to Israel (implied by Revelation 14-6)
[Revelation 6:1-2]

Short silence in heaven
[Revelation 8:1]

The Lord’s hour of trial begins
1. Great earthquake
[Revelation 6:12, 8:5]
2. Darkness
[Revelation 6:12,]
3. Satan and the fallen angelics come to the earth
[2Peter 2:4] [Jude 1:6] [Revelation 6:13, 8:10-11, 9:1-11, 9:13-19, 12:4, 12:7-9, 12:12 ]
4. Heaven departs
[Revelation 6:14]
5. The earth shakes
[Revelation 6:14, 8:5]
6. Humans hide from the Lord and acknowledge His judgments
[Revelation 6:15-17]
7. The Lord’s wrath begins
[Revelation 6:17, 8:2-6]
8. Satanic warfare begins
[Revelation 6:4, 12:12]
9. Mystery Babylon’s great city destroyed
[Revelation early destruction 8:1-4, 17:16-18, 18:1-24, later re-visit 16:19]
10. Marriage supper for the Church in heaven
[Revelation 19:7-9]
11. Worldwide economic collapse and effects
[Revelation 6:5-6]
12. Satan’s beast and fallen angels released
[Revelation 8: 9-19]
13. Satan’s warfare continues as he conquers the Middle East and attempts to control the world
[Daniel 8:9-12, 8:23-25, 11:36-45] [Revelation 6:7-8, 13:1-18]
14. Satan invades and conquers the Land of Israel
[Ezekiel 38: 1-17, 39: 1-2] [Daniel 11:41, 12:7] [Zechariah 13:8-9, 14:2] [Revelation 11: 2, 12:13]
15. Satan vanquishes opposition from south, east, and north
[Daniel 11:40, 44]
16. Satan’s beast will rule with 10 other kings for 42 months (1,150, 1,260 days)
[Daniel 2:40-45, 7:7-8, 8:14, 12:11] [Revelation 13:2-5]
17. Abomination of desolation is set up
[Daniel 12:11] [Matthew 24:15] [Revelation 13:14-15]
18. Believing Israel flees into the wilderness
[Zechariah 14:4-5] [Matthew 24:15-22] [Revelation 12:6-14]
19. 144,000 take Gospel to the nations
[Revelation 6:1-2, 14:1-5, 14:6-7]
20. The Lord’s two prophets witness in Jerusalem during the rule of the beast
[Revelation 11:1-13]
21. Worldwide martyrdom of believers begins and continues
[Revelation 6:9-11]
22. Many will worship Satan’s beast
[Revelation 11:7-10, 13:4,8,12,15, 14:9-11, 16:2,6,9,10,12,16,21, 17:8,16,17, 19:18-21]
23. Satan’s beast kills the two prophets
[Revelation 11:7]
24. The two prophets are resurrected and taken to heaven
[Revelation 11:11-12]
25. Martyrs are resurrected and added to the Church in Heaven
[15: 2-3, 20:4]
26. The Lord turns on Satan’s beast and followers and destroys them
[Ezekiel 38:18-23, 39:2-29] [Daniel] [Zechariah 12:3-9, 14:3, 14:12-15] [Revelation 10:7, 11:15, 14:9-11, 14:19-20, 15:1, 16:1-21, 19:11-21]
27. The Lord comes with the Church to the earth
[Jude 1:14-15] [Revelation 19:14]
28. Armageddon
[Ezekiel 38:18-23, 39:2-29] [Revelation 14:14-20, 16:12-21, 19:15-21, 20:2-3]
29. The greatest earthquake
[Ezekiel 38:19-20] [Revelation 16:18-19]
30. Satan’s beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire
[Revelation 19:20]
31. Satan is cast into the abyss for 1,000 years
[Revelation 20:1-3]
32. The Lord resurrects those who became believers during His hour of trial
[Revelation 20:4]
33. The Lord gathers the mortals of the elect of national Israel
[Matthew 24:30-31]
34. The Lord gathers the mortals of the nations that are left and separates the sheep from the goats
[Matthew 25:31-46]
35. The Lord’s millennium for 1,000 years
[Isaiah 2:2-4] [Zechariah 14:8-11] [Micah 4:1-5]
36. Satan released to spawn human rebellion again
[Revelation 20:7-8]
37. The Lord quickly vanquishes the rebellion
[Revelation 20:9]
38. Satan cast into the lake of fire
[Revelation 20:10]
39. The dead of all unbelieving humanity judged and cast into the lake of fire
[Revelation 20:11-15]
40. The Lord destroys the earth and the universe.
[2Peter 3:7-10] [Revelation 21:1]
41. The Lord creates a new universe and earth for all eternity
[2Peter 3:13] [Revelation 21:1-27, 22:1-5]

QUOTE(Stephen @ Nov 28 2007, 10:18 AM) [snapback]133417[/snapback]

The Lord’s call for the Church just before the 70th week begins.
I will keep thee from the hour of trial that is coming upon the whole world to try them that dwell upon the earth. The Lord will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ shall rise, and living believers will be caught up together with them to meet Him in the air. Come out of her my people so that you do not share in her destruction and resulting plagues. [Matthew 25:1-13] [1Corinthians 15:51-57] [1Thessalonians 4:13-18] [2Thessalonians 2:1-15] [Revelation 3:10, 18:4]

The seals are opened – A preview of the coming judgments and prevalent conditions during the 70th week.
1. Preaching of the gospel
144,000 take gospel to Israel (implied by Revelation 14-6)
[Revelation 6:1-2]

Which Gospel will the 144000 be preaching after the Church has been raptured away.
Paul's Gospel, which says that the cross abolished the dividing wall between Jew and Gentile?
Or will they peach a different Gospel which is really no gospel? (Gal 1:6)

Eph 2:14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Are they going to put the barrier back up, that Jesus Christ died to tear down? That would be a different Gospel.
If they preach the "Everlasting Gospel" which you referred to in Revelation 14:6
Then they are preaching the same Gospel that Paul preached which tore down the barrier.
That would mean no distinction between Jew and Gentile.
IF there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile before the rapture and no distinction after the rapture, then how can God treat Jews differently from Gentiles in his plan of Salvation?
Typically, a dispensationalist would say that the promises to ethnic Israel and promises of the land are separate from salvation. But this is an issue of salvation.

It seems to me that the pre-trib rapture conflicts with the "everlasting Gospel"
I think that any outline of prophecy which undoes any of the work that Jesus did on the cross should be suspect for Christians.
3am

Great points.

Along that same line of logic:

I posted this in another thread, but it goes here too. (God seems to do that allot on these boards)

This is one of the faults of the classical dispensational doctrine.

The fullness of the gentiles will not come fully in until the end of the tribulation.

You are assuming that the dispensation will change at the beginning of the 70th week, but there is no scriptural reason to believe this.

But even if it were true, the old covenant overlapped into the new, and thus were it to be "reinstated" (which is made impossible by the changing of the priesthood, and the law), there would be the same kind of overlap.

The funny thing is, by insisting upon a re-instatement of "Israels program" as many like to portray it, you are insisting that Jesus step down from being the high priest, and that the covenant which the scriptures say has "passed away" is then "ressurrected". There is no scriptural support for such outlandish contentions.

These changes are eternal:

Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, paid tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchizedek met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchizedek, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Judah; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchizedek there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord swore and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek:)
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such a high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated forevermore.

Heb 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such a high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Heb 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Heb 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Heb 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Heb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern showed to thee in the mount.
Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

I think it is to disregard these verses of scripture, to insist that God will actually "re-instate" the old covenant. It has passed away, and Jesus is now, and ever will be, the high priest in the true temple, in heaven.

No need to reinstate ..... the Lord still has plans for national Israel.

Please clarify. When you say "no need to reinstate," do you mean that the Old Covenant is still existing? Or National Israel will be brought into the existing New Covenant? Or perhaps something else?
Thanks
3am

Undeniably national Israel:

Jeremiah
31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Jeremiah
30:1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,

30:2 Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book.

30:3 For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.

30:4 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.

30:5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.

30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

30:8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his (the beast) yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

30:9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

30:10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

30:11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.

30:12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.

30:13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.

30:14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.

30:15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.

30:16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.

30:17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.

30:18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.

30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.

30:20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.

30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.

30:22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.

30:23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

30:24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Is this list of texts you just posted your answer to my question about clarifying when you say "no need to reinstate," do you mean that the Old Covenant is still existing? Or National Israel will be brought into the existing New Covenant? Or perhaps something else?

If it is, I cant find the answer in there.
Chapter 31, contains the promise of a new covenant, is that what you are referring to?
Could you be a little more explicit?
thanks,
3am

Let the scriptures speak

No answer when pressed. Just posting a lot of scriptures does not an answer make. You must realize that unlike some on this forum, those of us who have actually studied the scriptures are not so easily moved by your methods of over articulating, scripture posting.


Thanks to 3am and super.....

There is only one gospel for all mankind.

It is the Lord who speaks through His Word .... not I. Some do not listen.

Great passage but you omitted some things.
Israel repents first, before God brings them into the land. This is consistant with Jeremiah's context provided in chapter 18 indicating that God's promises are conditional upon obedience. God has never forced anyone to be his people and he never will.

17 So there is hope for your future,"
declares the LORD.
"Your children will return to their own land.

18 "I have surely heard Ephraim's moaning:
'You disciplined me like an unruly calf,
and I have been disciplined.
Restore me, and I will return,
because you are the LORD my God.

19 After I strayed,
I repented;
after I came to understand,
I beat my breast.
I was ashamed and humiliated
because I bore the disgrace of my youth.'
The gathering comes after repentance.
And even if this verse was not present, it still holds because Jeremiah had declared earlier the promises were conditional. There is nothing to take away the conditional nature of the prophecy.

But the most important thing overlooked is the way the NT writers understood the text.
3Every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one also to have something to offer. 4If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. 5They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: "See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain."[a] 6But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.The old covenant ministry with it's earthly temple is far inferior to the New Covenant ministry of Jesus in the Heavenly Temple.

7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said:
"The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."
I was glad to see that you underlined the verse that specifically mentioned that the "new Covenant" would be made with the House of Israel. That is an often over looked part.

13By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.
The Old Covenant is gone, the New has come!

The rest of Hebrews goes on to show how Now, with Jesus as our high Priest and by virture of his blood offered at the cross, we are his New Covenant people NOW!!!
Jeremiah and Hebrews is not talking about another new covenant after the rapture for national Israel.
He is talking about the New Covenant Church.
I know you dont like to talk about it, because you never would answer my questions, but We have come to Mt. Zion, the heavenly Jerusalem, the church.
There is only one New Covenant.
Jeremiah's prophecy is being fulfilled now in the church. Spiritual Israel.
3am

BrotherJon,
I have found through the years that when someone refuses to answer questions that challenge their views, then probably is is because they cannot find an answer from the Bible.
3am