Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Understanding The Codes
Christian-Forum.net > Debates (NOT FOR THOSE EASILY OFFENDED!) > Evidence for the bible and creationism debates
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 28 2007, 10:10 AM) [snapback]133357[/snapback]

http://www.bible-codes.org/old-prophecies_4c-bible-codes.htm
QUOTE
The revelation of the Scroll ("Book") is the revelation of God (particularly His justice) in Messiah. Therefore, the first passage (John 1) reveals chiefly the humiliation of Messiah whereas the second (Revelation 5) His glorification.


Is this us too?

By that l mean first humiliation then glorification...


Its the way of God, isn't it?
Miki
Yes..It is his way...How could there be any other for he has to teach us what we are and we are not before we can become what he's appointed us to be. 1dsz5e4.gif

I just noticed in another string where you updated my post. Thank you and you knew l wouldn't mind which is pleasing. In fact l groaned that l'd posted to soon before you were done but said Oh well.

You know how you talk about the "son of dust" getting a second chance... It's speaking about the Jews and how God will reveal himself to them a second time... But l'm just wondering about those from the Gentile line that have rejected..They will get the second chance too right?...Hagar's line...(I've had this thing about Hagar lately)..I was thinking about Zilpah and Bilhah...

and Hagar.. sad.gif It's depressing me because talk about being blinded and actually through no fault of their own either (generally speaking) because the angel declares it to Hagar in the desert...the future of her son and his line.

Now l know salvation comes from the Jews to the world a second time and many will be saved. I guess l'm just looking for reassurance for Hagar's line. I feel sorry for the blinded and ask God for one more chance for them...even though we've already asked and asked...It takes tremendous focus to ask again (with true heart) in the midst of oppressive darkness for mercy one more time...and then dare to believe it could happen..
But if l'm reading right this interpretation seems to read that way...

QUOTE
I will forgive my enemies, having compassion, forgiving those who are but stubble and dust a second time."
"I will choose a circumcised people (i.e., Jews), even many peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."

The God-Man will be brought forth (into this sin-cursed world) who will instruct unruly men {like Cain}. This man of God will be smitten to death, but his death will be in the will of God. People will give up hope as grief overwhelms them.

But, the God-Man is appointed to save, this man of sorrow. The Glory of God shall come down from heaven teaching men that by means of His death He shall comfort those who mourn.

http://www.bible-codes.org/Names-bible-code-printable.htm

This is just a small snippet from the Code...I added the paragraphs with the word God-Man because it speaks about what you said about Jesus being both fully man and fully God.
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 30 2007, 07:16 AM) [snapback]133881[/snapback]

Yes..It is his way...How could there be any other for he has to teach us what we are and we are not before we can become what he's appointed us to be. 1dsz5e4.gif

I just noticed in another string where you updated my post. Thank you and you knew l wouldn't mind which is pleasing. In fact l groaned that l'd posted to soon before you were done but said Oh well.

You know how you talk about the "son of dust" getting a second chance... It's speaking about the Jews and how God will reveal himself to them a second time... But l'm just wondering about those from the Gentile line that have rejected..They will get the second chance too right?...Hagar's line...(I've had this thing about Hagar lately)..I was thinking about Zilpah and Bilhah...

and Hagar.. sad.gif It's depressing me because talk about being blinded and actually through no fault of their own either (generally speaking) because the angel declares it to Hagar in the desert...the future of her son and his line.

Now l know salvation comes from the Jews to the world a second time and many will be saved. I guess l'm just looking for reassurance for Hagar's line. I feel sorry for the blinded and ask God for one more chance for them...even though we've already asked and asked...It takes tremendous focus to ask again (with true heart) in the midst of oppressive darkness for mercy one more time...and then dare to believe it could happen..
But if l'm reading right this interpretation seems to read that way...

QUOTE
I will forgive my enemies, having compassion, forgiving those who are but stubble and dust a second time."
"I will choose a circumcised people (i.e., Jews), even many peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."

The God-Man אדמ-אלוהים will be brought forth (into this sin-cursed world) who will instruct unruly men {like Cain}. This man of God will be smitten to death, but his death will be in the will of God. People will give up hope as grief overwhelms them.

But, the God-Man is appointed to save, this man of sorrow. The Glory of God shall come down from heaven teaching men that by means of His death He shall comfort those who mourn.

http://www.bible-codes.org/Names-bible-code-printable.htm

This is just a small snippet from the Code...I added the paragraphs with the word God-Man because it speaks about what you said about Jesus being both fully man and fully God.


Although all the picture bible codes are interconnected, yet, this marks a different bible code. It is the Names Bible Code, the very one that I have been meaning to ask you if you would like to do a discussion on it! smile.gif

As a matter of fact I am working on it right now in a power point to put out as a video on Google. You and others can pray about that.

What we need to do is to paste the whole of what that code says, and then discuss it line upon line. At first we should make sure everyone knows where and how it was disciphered.

As for Hagar, there is a promise to Ishmael her son:

The first is the bad news, the second is the good news.

Gen 16:12 And he shall be as a wild --- among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his brethren.


Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Miki
Thanks about Hagar and Ishmael..I was hoping for a little more through the codes...But we certainly can't add or take away from a blessing...But the blessing of Christ was for all people.. The blessing spoken to Hagar is only physical...that's what bothers me...I'm always feeling sorry for people and lately It's been about this band of brothers..

Yes..I'd like to do a discussion on the names code. It's more about understanding the meaning of a name rather than a regular code...like a picture code or number code or an els...right? If that is so...l mean just understanding the meaning of a name...why wouldn't it already have been discovered? Would it be because they didn't add like you suggested...a play on words or a pun to the interpretation? How do we know for certain it's ok to add a pun...Do you have one surface example for me from the Bible?

As l looked a little deeper l discovered a lot of things I haven't read...But those are starter questions. I was also wondering if since the bulk of names come out of the NT if the Jews might be a little less interested even though it verifies the 20 names from the old.

QUOTE
But some of the meanings of these first 10 names in the genealogy of Christ remain in doubt. And regrettably, this is true also of the next 10 names from Noah to Abraham. But all is not lost. Fortunately, the next 40 names after that, as recorded in Matthew's genealogy of Abraham to Jesus, are reasonably certain. And the meaning of these latter 40 names support the renderings of the first 20 names.

http://www.bible-codes.org/Names-Bible-Prophecy-Code.htm
Miki
http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm And then on this page...
I love the way it starts out:
(Plus l'm answering some of my own question from above about 'is this merely and interpretation of a name'...No...it's an acrostic...

and then l suppose and example from the surface text would be needed here.

QUOTE
A secret acrostic encoded 4000 years ago proclaims the message of forgiveness. The first letter of each consecutive Hebrew name from Adam to Abraham (a total of 19 names) reads, "I will forgive my enemies, showing compassion, forgiving those made from dust a second time."

There is also another acrostic code found in the parallel ungodly line of Cain. It contains 8 names and reads, "I will choose a circumcised people for myself (i.e., Jews), even (many) peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."


Don't you think that Cain representing the Gentile nations is amazing..
Miki
Oh my goodness.. You explain it in the next paragraph...I better read and then wait to ask...but here it is:

An acrostic is a type of bible code. Psalm 119 is a classic example of an acrostic in the bible. The first letter of each series of sentences move successively through the Hebrew Alphabet. (Also true of Psalm 9, 10, 25, 34, 37, 111, and 112.) These are obvious acrostics. However, there seems that there is a secret acrostics in the bible as well. This article explores one of those 'hidden' ones --- hidden for 4000 years! The acrostic summarizes the plan of salvation from the beginning of time.

Maybe we can talk about that one for a minute...

You mean like this...

1) A- word is born.

2) B-y Gods breath

3) C-ome and listen

4) D-o what l say....and so on...

Miki
http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_geneal...le%20References

And then when l read on l find something else l've never seen before!!

This is amazing! All tied into that one portion l liked so much that began this session on the names code.

QUOTE
Notes about the connection between the acrostic
and the Christmas narrative found in the Bible

The acrostic encoded within the godly genealogy of Adam to Abraham reads,

"I will forgive my enemies, showing compassion, forgiving those made from dust a second time."

And the acrostic in the ungodly line of Cain reads, "I will choose a circumcised people for myself (i.e., Jews), even various peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."

QUOTE
---The Christmas Story

The acrostic resembles thematic elements found within all four Christmas hymns as recorded
in the Gospel of Luke.

1. The Magnificat by Mary, (1:46).

Both the code and the Magnificat emphasize the raising up of the lowly. The Hebrew word for
forgiveness may also mean, to lift up. Hence, the code may read, "I will lift up those who
have risen up against me, having compassion, lifting up those (low in) the dust a second
time!" Similarly, Mary said, "He has put down kings from their thrones, lifting up on high
the men of low degree." Mary is quoting the song of Hannah in the Old Testament. "He raises
up the poor out of the dust, to make them sit with princes," (1Sam. 2:8).

2. The Benedictus by Zechariah, (1:68).

The Benedictus in part reads, "Salvation from our enemies... To give to His People a
knowledge of salvation in the forgiveness of their sins, through the tender compassion of
our God." Compare it with the code: "I will forgive my enemies, showing compassion,
forgiving those made from dust."

3. The Gloria in Excelsis Deo by the angels, (2:14).

The angels proclaimed, "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward
men." The code also bridges the gap between heaven and earth through the forgiveness of
sins.

4. The Nunc Dimittis by Simeon, (2:28).

The short hymn of Simeon exclaims, "For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, which thou hast
prepared before the face of all people; a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of
thy people Israel." Compare this with the bible code: "I will choose a circumcised people
for myself (i.e., Israel), even peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."

--- The Acrostic and the Two Genealogies of Christ

In the New Testament, Matthew traces Christ back to Abraham whereas Luke traces him all the way back to Adam,
(Matt. 1:1; Luke 3:38). Remarkably, Adam and Abraham are the very two persons already
alluded to in our code and who begin and end the acrostic.

Luke begins his genealogy with Jesus and ends it with Adam. Both are called the son of God,
(Luke 1:35, 3:38). By calling both Adam and Jesus "the son of God", Luke infers that
Jesus is the second Adam. This agrees with the prophecy in the code where it says that
forgiveness would come the "second time" therefore inferring a second Adam. Forgiveness was shown the
first time to Adam, the man of dust, who is the fallen son of God. Consequently, forgiveness
is prophesied to come the second time through the second Adam, Jesus, the risen Son of God.

The first time that God forgave sins was when God covered the nakedness of Adam with a skin
taken from a slain animal, (Gen. 3:21). This was the first time that blood was ever shed on earth. The
bible states that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins, (Heb. 9:22). Jesus, the second Adam, was lifted up on the cross to pay the dept of sin whereby God could righteously forgive all who repent and believe on Him.


The Christmas Story...How fitting!
Miki
http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm

QUOTE
Adam IPB Image I

Cain IPB Image Will

Enoch IPB Image Select

IPB Image select will I



There's a lot to grasp when you know little...It's hard to remember to read from the left to the right..

But l think l'm a getting a piece of this...(Hard not knowing Hebrew but that's ok)
Miki
Maybe we will need to start a a new string to better discuss this topic?
Seems you've added more to the sight...or l missed a lot..It's been an interesting read to say the least.
Miki
http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm

QUOTE
Therefore, the "peoples" spoken of in the code refer to both Jews and Gentiles. This opening sentence is encoded within the ungodly line of descent ---those of Cain who were "driven out from the presence of the Lord", (Gen. 4:14, cf., Job 18:19 in Hebrew). The fact that this first sentence is encoded within the ungodly line of descent (who perished in the flood) rather than in the godly line implies something important. It implies hope to lost men. It seems to indicate that the ungodly line of Cain is symbolic of the gentile seed in general (i.e., non-Jews) who were cut off from God and separate from the chosen seed (of Abraham) until the time of Christ. Thus, whereas the godly line represents the elect seed unto Abraham, to David, and then on to Christ; conversely, the ungodly line of Cain apparently represents the alienated seed.

"Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, ... that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world." (Eph. 2:11-12)

"... and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory, even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? As he saith also in Hosea, I will call that my people, which was not my people; And her beloved, that was not beloved." (Roman 9:23-25)



QUOTE
The fact that this first sentence is encoded within the ungodly line of descent (who perished in the flood) rather than in the godly line implies something important. It implies hope to lost men.


It just keeps getting better.
Miki
So Shekel...when this is said: (same page)

QUOTE
The 'first time' that God 'forgave' appears to refer to a combination of events as if all were part of one transgression. The code alludes to the original fall of Adam and also to the transgression that followed that, namely to when Cain killed his brother Abel. The reference in the code to "...forgive the one rising up against me", links it to Cain (as previously explained), whereas the reference to "forgive the one who is of dust", links it to Adam since he was formed from the dust. Only God could speak so full with meaning, and this further attests to the veracity of the bible code.


it means that the second time forgivness goes all the way back to the garden...
Miki
Same page..

QUOTE
This code was written about two thousand years before Christ, and to my knowledge only now discovered in our day 4000 years later! This in itself, I believe, is a sign that God will soon reclaim His people Israel to Himself by turning them from their sins by their acceptance of Jesus (Yeshua) as Messiah. Moreover, the 70th jubilee (i.e., 70 x 7 x 7 years) from when Israel entered the Promised Land occurs within a couple of decades from now.


20 more years? sad.gif

One interesting thing l've noticed as l read is that some of the questions that pop into my mind are almost immediately answered in the following sentences or paragraphs...Example:

http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_geneal...-bible-code.htm
QUOTE
The acrostic then reverses direction and moves backward 10 names to Noah's son (Shem) thereby forming 4 more words, a total of 10 Hebrew words.


The first thing that came to my mind was "can this be random"?...

How can we know to switch back and forth? Ta dah! It follows:

QUOTE
Amazingly, this is very similar to the style and construction of Matthew and Luke's genealogies. Like the acrostic, Matthew and Luke move in two different directions in their genealogy; Matthew moves backward and ends with Adam whereas Luke moves forward and begins with Abraham. Similarly, the acrostic begins with Adam and ends with Abraham's father (Terah) and then begins again with Abraham and moves backward (and ends with Noah's son Shem). The construction of the acrostic is arranged so as to draw attention to the offspring's of Adam, Noah, and Terah, (i.e., Seth, Shem, and Abraham). Each of their offspring foreshadow Jesus. Jesus is the fulfillment of God's promise that by the seed of the women (Eve) a Savior would come, (Gen. 3:15).
Miki
I think l just saw something about the unveiling for the 144,000!

The below has always been one of my favorite portion of scripture!

Simeon is described as righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel... blush.gif wub.gif

We are told that Simeon, inspired by the Spirit, entered the temple as Jesus is brought in. The child is the fulfilment of a life spent living in expectation, an expectation that sums up and represents all of Israel's waiting for the Messiah.
Yet Simeon also looks forward, and declares that this child is a light of revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory of thy people Israel. (http://torch.op.org/preaching/sermon/785)

I've been waiting too...How ...when...wishing... cool.gif

IPB Image

Kind of like this:

QUOTE
The bible code connects this event to the fact that when the veil/seal was removed at His death/resurrection, the mysteries of God were all loosed, (Revelation 5). However, they are nevertheless concealed to man until the day of God's choosing. (See Daniel 9:24-27.) This particular oracle about Christ, for instance, was hidden ("encrypted") within the "mene-mene-tekel-uparsin" words 2500 years until the day He choose to reveal it! That, in itself, is a sign to us that we are in the last days! The book of Hebrews (10:20) tells us that this torn veil symbolizes His flesh, and thus the latter part of the code about 'the mina being painfully torn in half to become a half-mina' bears special meaning. This also helps explain why the code immediately after that says, "Nevertheless, He will blind their eyes." Those that refuse to see, He blinds!

The words, "The message will be carefully encrypted" literally reads, "'It" will be carefully encrypted."
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:bJuW5...;cd=1&gl=us
Miki
QUOTE(Stephen @ Dec 2 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]134292[/snapback]

This division is set from ancient times and will play out at the time of the end. The Lord is going to pressure Israel by allowing the beast and his followers to overrun the nation and rule it for the second 1,260 days of the 70th week decreed. Only the Lord can break this division and He will do it by saving a believing remnant of Israel and at the same time He will ultimately destroy all but 1/6th of the entire group of surrounding nations who vex His own national people.



QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 3 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]134400[/snapback]

Wouldn't you just love to see this revealing happen...Make a great movie huh...


GLORY!! (I'm having a party all by myself! :-)
Simple
say some more about Simeon Miki, I think I'm getting it!
Miki
Marcus ...the only thing l'm thinking about is that the code may be one of the things God uses to open the eyes of the 144,000...I've always wished l could see that. When l was a kid they use to do Jesus movies all the time. In the 50's...I remember this part about Simeon and how it would make me feel.. I thought it was all so miraculous that he was waiting and knew it was Jesus right off. I grew up after world war II and the explosion of TV drove the reality of The Holocoast into my brain like a nail. The Jews have always been a thing with me. Sorry it's so personal and not a big hidden meaning...But it just makes me wonder if God is letting me see a little part..And in the midst of it all l've been such a meany..and a grouch. I've had war on all my borders..but the sun is breaking through again.
Miki
Another part that l find similarly important and exciting is when Mary went to Elizabeth...
Elizabeth knew right off. What a thing to believe right off!... Think of all the signs and wonders Christ did and many still wouldn't believe it. Yet here were Elizabeth and Simeon...And they just knew it. Look at poor Zacharias... and Sari...she laughed but didn't get punished like he did.

But his punishment was sweet proof.

The coming to these codes remind me of this.. (Or there coming to me) Why can l believe right off?
I don't even fully understand? Well..I did wondered about certain things along the way..The Moth for example. Why a moth and not a butterfly...But why a serpent on the pole?

I had a dark dark season of doubt....It's on the forum. It's almost impossible to talk about now.

Also in the codes there is concrete evidence. It only adds over and over again to the validity. blush.gif
Some say...well I don't need the codes. I already believe. It's good you believe. But for me to see what Shekel said.. The unsealing of a thing kept hidden as referred to by Daniel is overwhelmingly awesome...
And l get to be one of the foolish things he uses...my my.

And no offense anybody...But here is one of the greatest things in Biblical history unfolding before our eyes and you don't even want to talk about it? I can only think you don't see it or that you are afraid (just in case it's wrong) it will make you look like a fool... tongue.gif Yep! A fool for the Lord.

But l don't want to strike the rock. This is a hard thing to believe and without much evidence and personal revelation you won't cross the river. BUT NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING GAINED. Faith! Go forward in faith and a pure heart and God will show you. What do l mean by a pure heart? I mean honest motive.

Did God call you here or not? Did he call us to all argue or did he call us to dialogue and give the Spirit a chance to speak? I'm guilty too. Sometimes it feels safe to slip back into the flesh. That may seem odd to you...but it's just honest. Sometimes l want my blankee... Like a child who gets out into the great big world..It fusses and hides it's head in the blanket because there's so much input to deal with...

For me the codes have been a little this way. The implication of them and the responsibility of the way l act and treat Dean and others... also the superficial way l sometimes treat the codes. I think it's a safety mechanism .. this fleshly way of acting out. I guess one great comfort l've gained along the way is to be who l am. To be who God created me to be. I don't need to be a great scholar or mathematician.

l was just standing at the door waiting..and here it comes..A Great Revelation! ohmy.gif wub.gif cool.gif
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 1 2007, 07:50 AM) [snapback]134118[/snapback]

http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm
QUOTE


There is also another acrostic code found in the parallel ungodly line of Cain. It contains 8 names and reads, "I will choose a circumcised people for myself (i.e., Jews), even (many) peoples for myself (i.e., Gentiles)."


Don't you think that Cain representing the Gentile nations is amazing..


Yes! Interesting that you noticed that.

It seems to be a way of saying that even some of those outside of the promised line will still in some way be brought into grace.
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 1 2007, 08:00 AM) [snapback]134121[/snapback]

Oh my goodness.. You explain it in the next paragraph...I better read and then wait to ask...but here it is:

An acrostic is a type of bible code. Psalm 119 is a classic example of an acrostic in the bible. The first letter of each series of sentences move successively through the Hebrew Alphabet. (Also true of Psalm 9, 10, 25, 34, 37, 111, and 112.) These are obvious acrostics. However, there seems that there is a secret acrostics in the bible as well. This article explores one of those 'hidden' ones --- hidden for 4000 years! The acrostic summarizes the plan of salvation from the beginning of time.

Maybe we can talk about that one for a minute...

You mean like this...

1) A- word is born.

2) B-y Gods breath

3) C-ome and listen

4) D-o what l say....and so on...


yes, that's the type of acrostic in Psalm 9, 10, 25, 34, 37, 111, and 112, as well as the whole book of Lamentations.
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 3 2007, 09:25 AM) [snapback]134432[/snapback]

So Shekel...when this is said: (same page)

QUOTE
The 'first time' that God 'forgave' appears to refer to a combination of events as if all were part of one transgression. The code alludes to the original fall of Adam and also to the transgression that followed that, namely to when Cain killed his brother Abel. The reference in the code to "...forgive the one rising up against me", links it to Cain (as previously explained), whereas the reference to "forgive the one who is of dust", links it to Adam since he was formed from the dust. Only God could speak so full with meaning, and this further attests to the veracity of the bible code.


it means that the second time forgivness goes all the way back to the garden...


Yes, good thought! That agrees with this verse from the book of Romans:



Rom 3:25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus.
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 5 2007, 07:11 AM) [snapback]134765[/snapback]

Another part that l find similarly important and exciting is when Mary went to Elizabeth...
Elizabeth knew right off. What a thing to believe right off!... Think of all the signs and wonders Christ did and many still wouldn't believe it. Yet here were Elizabeth and Simeon...And they just knew it. Look at poor Zacharias... and Sari...she laughed but didn't get punished like he did.

But his punishment was sweet proof.

The coming to these codes remind me of this.. (Or there coming to me) Why can l believe right off?
I don't even fully understand? Well..I did wondered about certain things along the way..The Moth for example. Why a moth and not a butterfly...But why a serpent on the pole?

I had a dark dark season of doubt....It's on the forum. It's almost impossible to talk about now.

Also in the codes there is concrete evidence. It only adds over and over again to the validity. blush.gif
Some say...well I don't need the codes. I already believe. It's good you believe. But for me to see what Shekel said.. The unsealing of a thing kept hidden as referred to by Daniel is overwhelmingly awesome...
And l get to be one of the foolish things he uses...my my.

And no offense anybody...But here is one of the greatest things in Biblical history unfolding before our eyes and you don't even want to talk about it? I can only think you don't see it or that you are afraid (just in case it's wrong) it will make you look like a fool... tongue.gif Yep! A fool for the Lord.

But l don't want to strike the rock. This is a hard thing to believe and without much evidence and personal revelation you won't cross the river. BUT NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING GAINED. Faith! Go forward in faith and a pure heart and God will show you. What do l mean by a pure heart? I mean honest motive.

Did God call you here or not? Did he call us to all argue or did he call us to dialogue and give the Spirit a chance to speak? I'm guilty too. Sometimes it feels safe to slip back into the flesh. That may seem odd to you...but it's just honest. Sometimes l want my blankee... Like a child who gets out into the great big world..It fusses and hides it's head in the blanket because there's so much input to deal with...

For me the codes have been a little this way. The implication of them and the responsibility of the way l act and treat Dean and others... also the superficial way l sometimes treat the codes. I think it's a safety mechanism .. this fleshly way of acting out. I guess one great comfort l've gained along the way is to be who l am. To be who God created me to be. I don't need to be a great scholar or mathematician.

l was just standing at the door waiting..and here it comes..A Great Revelation! ohmy.gif wub.gif cool.gif


It is truly strange that no one else discovered this acrostic before, especially because many Jewish scholars enjoy acrostics as codes over the centuries. I searched the internet and cannot find anything even close. Yet the Hebrew is on the level of a child. So I can only assume that God hid it from the searching eyes of thousands of rabbis over the centuries.

The best I can find is this subject is on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_and_Eve

QUOTE

The Jews had their own acrostic interpretation of the name Adam. In the 2nd century, Rabbi Yohanan used the Greek technique of notarichon to explain the name אָדָם as the initials of the words afer, dam, and marah, being dust, blood, and gall.


IPB Image
jhamner
QUOTE(Shekel @ Nov 25 2007, 09:34 AM) [snapback]132641[/snapback]

Yes Miki, there is a contrast of women here in the bible code, but the two women in contrast are Rachel and Leah, the two wives of Jacob, the first loved and the second not loved.

In this code, however, it says that Yeshua's (Jesus) love for Leah is burning, and while Rachel is in the code as well in a positive way, it is Leah that has the special place to Yeshua.

I understand Leah to symbolize the Church (the bride of Christ), and Rachel to be symbolic of Israel --- but I could be wrong. It is a matter of interpretation.

I recall that Bilhah is also there too.

See below image that I just put together...

http://www.bible-codes.org/menorah-picture...e-riddles-1.htm

http://www.bible-codes.org/menorah-torah-codes-2.htm

http://www.bible-codes.org/menorah-torah-codes-3.htm

http://www.bible-codes.org/menorah-mount-torah-codes-4.htm



By the way, the first post looks great Miki, the way it goes back and forth in our discussion by email. 1dsz5h3.gif


wub.gif Jesus... loves me, Leah. biggrin.gif HE LOVES ME! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif WOOOHOO!
Shekel
Here is a diagram I am using for the new power point that I am working on. I hope to make it into a video.
====================

A secret acrostic encoded 4000 years ago proclaims the message of forgiveness. The first letter of each consecutive Hebrew name from Adam to Abraham (a total of 19 names) reads, "I will forgive my enemies, showing compassion, forgiving those made from dust a second time."

http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm

IPB Image
Messiahiscoming
Miki I find it very interesting that you are speaking of Simeon today. I too have been there as well.... actually for a few days. Dani and I were lead to Deut. 33 last Friday during our Bible Study and noticed that Simeon was not listed with those that Moses blessed of the 12 tribes. Dani also question the order that they were blessed. Well then I brought up the Simeon and Anna thing in Luke. I had done some study in the past and knew that Simeon meant "hearing" and Anna means "Grace". So today after reading what you had wrote about Simeon this morning I was lead to do some searching.

1st of all I was reminded of when Joseph's brother's had come to Egypt because of the 7 year famine. Joseph to test his brothers hearts 1st placed them all in prison for 3 days! Then Joseph sent them back for Benjamin but kept Simeon bound in Prison. I find this interesting because of the fact that Simeon "hearing" is bound! He was not restored with his brothers until the 2nd meeting of Jospeh.

So can we apply this to Israel today.... at the 1st coming of Christ (type/ Joseph) their ears were stopped or bound just as Simeons? The scripture says that they 1st stayed in prison for 3 days....

Hosea 6
1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

He will bind us.....3rd day he will raise us up?

After the brothers come back with Benjamin.....Joseph reveals himself to his brothers. At Christ 2nd coming their deaf ears will finally hear! Just as Simeon was unbound and back together with his brothers (ears unstopped and hearing) Christ reveals Himself finally to Israel at His 2nd coming. Just as Joseph at the 2nd coming of his brothers was revealed.

Now to Simeon and Anna..... Hearing and Grace. Anna was from the tribe of Asher. Maybe this was the answer I to Simeon being Absent in Deut 33 and the placement of Asher being blessed by Moses last.

I think that Simeon although not mentioned in 32 or 33 is alluded to in Deut. 32 in the Song of Moses. Just read it you will find that it rings of the word "hearing" (Simeon) Now then Asher is the last tribe blessed by Moses. This is the same order you find Simeon and Anna in the New Testement. Simeon "hears" his spiritual eyes are opened to the Messiah and then Anna the Prophetess from the tribe of Asher... "Grace and blessings" come at the end.

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


It was all prophesied right in the the Old testament as usual. I know that this was a little off of the code subject... yet you were talking about the 144,000 and the revealing and Simeon and I just was drawn there today. I need to read Psalms 90-100 the 11 other stanza's of the Song of Moses. That is another interesting thought... there are 11 in Psalms.... and I think that the 1st stanza Deut 32 is the Simeon stanza.

Isaiah 6
9And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Israel is certainly at the moment spiritually deaf...."Simeon" but one day I think very soon they will Have Grace poured out upon them and be spritually blessed! "Anna/Asher" smile.gif

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming
Simple
Thank you for showing us the deep things of God Val.
Miki
Thanks Dean..for the chart. It will be good to work with.

Val...I have to get into this more..Thanks for the tip on his name meaning "hearing". Fits! Thanks for adding a piece wub.gif It helps me..

One thing to keep in mind is that when Joseph revealed himself to his brothers they where 2 1/2 years into the drought. But check on that for me if you have to...It might have been 3?

My mind is in another direction here because of the storm here...I think God is showing me something.
Miki
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 3 2007, 02:32 PM) [snapback]134434[/snapback]

Same page..

QUOTE
This code was written about two thousand years before Christ, and to my knowledge only now discovered in our day 4000 years later! This in itself, I believe, is a sign that God will soon reclaim His people Israel to Himself by turning them from their sins by their acceptance of Jesus (Yeshua) as Messiah. Moreover, the 70th jubilee (i.e., 70 x 7 x 7 years) from when Israel entered the Promised Land occurs within a couple of decades from now.


20 more years? sad.gif

One interesting thing l've noticed as l read is that some of the questions that pop into my mind are almost immediately answered in the following sentences or paragraphs...Example:

http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_geneal...-bible-code.htm
QUOTE
The acrostic then reverses direction and moves backward 10 names to Noah's son (Shem) thereby forming 4 more words, a total of 10 Hebrew words.


The first thing that came to my mind was "can this be random"?...

How can we know to switch back and forth? Ta dah! It follows:

QUOTE
Amazingly, this is very similar to the style and construction of Matthew and Luke's genealogies. Like the acrostic, Matthew and Luke move in two different directions in their genealogy; Matthew moves backward and ends with Adam whereas Luke moves forward and begins with Abraham. Similarly, the acrostic begins with Adam and ends with Abraham's father (Terah) and then begins again with Abraham and moves backward (and ends with Noah's son Shem). The construction of the acrostic is arranged so as to draw attention to the offspring's of Adam, Noah, and Terah, (i.e., Seth, Shem, and Abraham). Each of their offspring foreshadow Jesus. Jesus is the fulfillment of God's promise that by the seed of the women (Eve) a Savior would come, (Gen. 3:15).



Then in a later post Dean you say:

QUOTE
It is truly strange that no one else discovered this acrostic before, especially because many Jewish scholars enjoy acrostics as codes over the centuries. I searched the internet and cannot find anything even close. Yet the Hebrew is on the level of a child. So I can only assume that God hid it from the searching eyes of thousands of rabbis over the centuries.


QUOTE
How can we know to switch back and forth? Ta dah!
Or where to turn...
Maybe because by not looking at the geneologies of Matthew and Luke they didn't have the hidden detail that would unlock the puzzle.
jhamner
QUOTE(Messiahiscoming @ Dec 6 2007, 12:01 AM) [snapback]134983[/snapback]

Miki I find it very interesting that you are speaking of Simeon today. I too have been there as well.... actually for a few days. Dani and I were lead to Deut. 33 last Friday during our Bible Study and noticed that Simeon was not listed with those that Moses blessed of the 12 tribes. Dani also question the order that they were blessed. Well then I brought up the Simeon and Anna thing in Luke. I had done some study in the past and knew that Simeon meant "hearing" and Anna means "Grace". So today after reading what you had wrote about Simeon this morning I was lead to do some searching.

1st of all I was reminded of when Joseph's brother's had come to Egypt because of the 7 year famine. Joseph to test his brothers hearts 1st placed them all in prison for 3 days! Then Joseph sent them back for Benjamin but kept Simeon bound in Prison. I find this interesting because of the fact that Simeon "hearing" is bound! He was not restored with his brothers until the 2nd meeting of Jospeh.

So can we apply this to Israel today.... at the 1st coming of Christ (type/ Joseph) their ears were stopped or bound just as Simeons? The scripture says that they 1st stayed in prison for 3 days....

Hosea 6
1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

He will bind us.....3rd day he will raise us up?

After the brothers come back with Benjamin.....Joseph reveals himself to his brothers. At Christ 2nd coming their deaf ears will finally hear! Just as Simeon was unbound and back together with his brothers (ears unstopped and hearing) Christ reveals Himself finally to Israel at His 2nd coming. Just as Joseph at the 2nd coming of his brothers was revealed.

Now to Simeon and Anna..... Hearing and Grace. Anna was from the tribe of Asher. Maybe this was the answer I to Simeon being Absent in Deut 33 and the placement of Asher being blessed by Moses last.

I think that Simeon although not mentioned in 32 or 33 is alluded to in Deut. 32 in the Song of Moses. Just read it you will find that it rings of the word "hearing" (Simeon) Now then Asher is the last tribe blessed by Moses. This is the same order you find Simeon and Anna in the New Testement. Simeon "hears" his spiritual eyes are opened to the Messiah and then Anna the Prophetess from the tribe of Asher... "Grace and blessings" come at the end.

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


It was all prophesied right in the the Old testament as usual. I know that this was a little off of the code subject... yet you were talking about the 144,000 and the revealing and Simeon and I just was drawn there today. I need to read Psalms 90-100 the 11 other stanza's of the Song of Moses. That is another interesting thought... there are 11 in Psalms.... and I think that the 1st stanza Deut 32 is the Simeon stanza.

Isaiah 6
9And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Israel is certainly at the moment spiritually deaf...."Simeon" but one day I think very soon they will Have Grace poured out upon them and be spritually blessed! "Anna/Asher" smile.gif

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming


Valerie...

In the shower this morning, the Lord reminded me of my middle name- Ann. He reminded me what it meant: grace.

I didn't know why He reminded me.

Now I do.

Oh so cool. smile.gif
Miki
Neat Julie..I like the way God confirms on individual basis.



Anyway...
http://www.bible-codes.org/acrostic_prophecy.htm
QUOTE
"I will be lifted up by those who have risen up against me..."

Even the type of death that the Messiah would die is signified by the bible prophecy code. Three out of the six Hebrew words have to do with 'lifting up', plus one more reference to one being laid low (in the 'dust'). Since the word for forgiveness in Hebrew may also mean, "to lift up", therefore the code may read:

"I will lift up those who have risen up against me,
having compassion, lifting up those (low in) the dust a second time!"

Or the code can even read in the passive tense:

"I will be lifted up by those who have risen up against me,
having compassion, lifting up those (low in) the dust a second time!"

Now it happens that the common euphemism used in the Gospels to describe Jesus' death by crucifixion is that of "being lifted up".

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:14-15; cf., John 12:32-34.)

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die." (John 12:32-33)

This code was written about two thousand years before Christ, and to my knowledge only now discovered in our day 4000 years later! This in itself, I believe, is a sign that God will soon reclaim His people Israel to Himself by turning them from their sins by their acceptance of Jesus (Yeshua) as Messiah. Moreover, the 70th jubilee (i.e., 70 x 7 x 7 years) from when Israel entered the Promised Land occurs within a couple of decades from now.


It's impossible to not look at Enoch and Elijah ..And Elijah with the greatest understanding...Because when he was lifted up and out a double portion anointing fell on Elisha. Only thinking in terms of the 144,000.

And after Enoch l would say a great anointing fell on Noah as well. These are just personal thoughts of wonder..It may have nothing to do with what is being said here but only a parallel
Messiahiscoming
Little Ms. Julie I did not know that your middle name was Ann! Well hon.... I know what your new nick name is .... Little Ms. Grace! smile.gif In light of all that you poured out to me last night.... I think the Lord is reminding you sweetie that His Grace is enough! wub.gif I like the confirmation and that He used me too with all that was said in the PM sweetie. He loves you so my dear. I will talk to you later today.

Your Grace Is Enough Lyrics
Chris Tomlin

Great is Your faithfulness oh God
You wrestle with the sinner's heart
You lead us by still waters and to mercy
And nothing can keep us apart

So remember Your people
Remember Your children
Remember Your promise
Oh God

Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough for me

Great is Your love and justice God
You use the weak to lead the strong
You lead us in the song of Your salvation
And all Your people sing along

So remember Your people
Remember Your children
Remember Your promise
Oh God

Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough for me (x2)

So remember Your people
Remember Your children
Remember Your promise
Oh God

Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough for me

Your grace is enough
Heaven reaching down to us
Your grace is enough for me
your grace is enough
I'm covered in your love
Your grace is enough for me
For me


Love ya Grace!
Valerie
Messiahiscoming

Miki
Val what a perfect song!

QUOTE
Your Grace Is Enough Lyrics
Chris Tomlin

Great is Your faithfulness oh God
You wrestle with the sinner's heart
You lead us by still waters and to mercy
And nothing can keep us apart

So remember Your people
Remember Your children
Remember Your promise
Oh God (You remember Israel!)

Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough for me

Great is Your love and justice God
You use the weak to lead the strong
You lead us in the song of Your salvation
And all Your people sing along

QUOTE
"The Lamp of His Flame"

(A "song of the Lamb")

And they sing the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb: "Great and amazing are your deeds, Lord God the Almighty! Just and true are your ways, King of the nations! Lord, who will not fear and glorify your name? For you alone are holy." (Revelation 15:3, 4a.)http://bible-codes.org/menorah-picture-bible-riddles-1.htm



So remember Your people
Remember Your children
Remember Your promise
Oh God

Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough for me (x2)

So remember Your people
Remember Your children
Remember Your promise
Oh God

Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough
Your grace is enough for me

Your grace is enough
Heaven reaching down to us
Your grace is enough for me
your grace is enough
I'm covered in your love
Your grace is enough for me
For me
Messiahiscoming
You know me and songs..... I have really been thinking much about the Song of Moses and they also sing a new Song...in Revelation.

Anyway...

I thought I would put this here as well... since we were talking about Simeon.

QUOTE
:You know Miki what you had to say about the storm got me to thinking...

Just maybe this has something to do with the effects of the reversed nun. If it has to do with Judgement... then when it is revsersed it is poured out on others! You also brought up the Simeon thing I wrote about in your code thread. One of the things I found interesting in respect to what Simeon says in Luke is this....

Luke 2:34 (empahsis added is mine)

34And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

There is that Nun thing again... that just keeps resufacing!


QUOTEThe main conclusion was that the Nuns refered to the "Downfall and rising again"

It seems to come back to this... in the Nun thread... the Tappahanock thread..... Now Simeon in the Code thread. The Nun seems to always be a judgement of sort. So maybe when it is reversed the others get there do judgement like in the case of the storm. Just thinking outloud.....

Hmmm something is certainly up!

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming




Shekel
QUOTE(Messiahiscoming @ Dec 6 2007, 12:01 AM) [snapback]134983[/snapback]

Miki I find it very interesting that you are speaking of Simeon today. I too have been there as well.... actually for a few days. Dani and I were lead to Deut. 33 last Friday during our Bible Study and noticed that Simeon was not listed with those that Moses blessed of the 12 tribes. Dani also question the order that they were blessed. Well then I brought up the Simeon and Anna thing in Luke. I had done some study in the past and knew that Simeon meant "hearing" and Anna means "Grace". So today after reading what you had wrote about Simeon this morning I was lead to do some searching.

1st of all I was reminded of when Joseph's brother's had come to Egypt because of the 7 year famine. Joseph to test his brothers hearts 1st placed them all in prison for 3 days! Then Joseph sent them back for Benjamin but kept Simeon bound in Prison. I find this interesting because of the fact that Simeon "hearing" is bound! He was not restored with his brothers until the 2nd meeting of Jospeh.

So can we apply this to Israel today.... at the 1st coming of Christ (type/ Joseph) their ears were stopped or bound just as Simeons? The scripture says that they 1st stayed in prison for 3 days....

Hosea 6
1Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
2After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight. 3Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

He will bind us.....3rd day he will raise us up?

After the brothers come back with Benjamin.....Joseph reveals himself to his brothers. At Christ 2nd coming their deaf ears will finally hear! Just as Simeon was unbound and back together with his brothers (ears unstopped and hearing) Christ reveals Himself finally to Israel at His 2nd coming. Just as Joseph at the 2nd coming of his brothers was revealed.

Now to Simeon and Anna..... Hearing and Grace. Anna was from the tribe of Asher. Maybe this was the answer I to Simeon being Absent in Deut 33 and the placement of Asher being blessed by Moses last.

I think that Simeon although not mentioned in 32 or 33 is alluded to in Deut. 32 in the Song of Moses. Just read it you will find that it rings of the word "hearing" (Simeon) Now then Asher is the last tribe blessed by Moses. This is the same order you find Simeon and Anna in the New Testement. Simeon "hears" his spiritual eyes are opened to the Messiah and then Anna the Prophetess from the tribe of Asher... "Grace and blessings" come at the end.

Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


It was all prophesied right in the the Old testament as usual. I know that this was a little off of the code subject... yet you were talking about the 144,000 and the revealing and Simeon and I just was drawn there today. I need to read Psalms 90-100 the 11 other stanza's of the Song of Moses. That is another interesting thought... there are 11 in Psalms.... and I think that the 1st stanza Deut 32 is the Simeon stanza.

Isaiah 6
9And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Israel is certainly at the moment spiritually deaf...."Simeon" but one day I think very soon they will Have Grace poured out upon them and be spritually blessed! "Anna/Asher" smile.gif

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming


We are getting a little off topic here, but wow! I really liked the insight there, and I think you are right on! I will hold on to that revelation. (And Miki, he was in prison two years or less as I recall, because they went down the second time when the famine was now two years old.)

I think what you are saying is also backed up by the fact that doubting Zechariah is contrasted with believing Simeon. And Zechariah had his lips mute so that others could not "HEAR" him! That is, until the time of the birth of his son, they could not simeon (hear) him. And this is how it will be until the coming of the Messiah the second time. Perhaps this is alluding to that how Israel will hear God only when the Two Witnesses appear, who will walk in the power of Elijah (and Moses) just as John the baptist (son of Zechariah) did.

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, [with] the statutes and judgments.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mat 11:14 And if ye are willing to receive it, this is Elijah, that is to come.
Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Miki
You're right...We've been picking up a piece here and a piece there...trying to put it all together in one cohesive word. Thanks for the insight.
Messiahiscoming
Wow that makes sense with Zechariah's mouth being shut up..../ Simeon's ears being opened. That is exciting!

And I am not sure how long it actually took the brothers to return... but I was referring to this 3 day period.
I was just making sure I was understanding where you guys were going.

Gen 42:
17And he put them all together into ward three days.
18And Joseph said unto them the third day, This do, and live; for I fear God:

Then after this is when they returned to get Benjamin and Simeon was bound.....

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming



Shekel
Yes, three days = resurrection, and only the living can hear:

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live.


And note that this "hearing" is both "now" and to come.
Humble Bob
QUOTE(Shekel @ Dec 6 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]135169[/snapback]

Yes, three days = resurrection, and only the living can hear:

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live.


And note that this "hearing" is both "now" and to come.


"the dead shall hear" + "they that hear shall live"

=> the dead shall live
Messiahiscoming
Very insightful... the now and future. Yes and there would be that Simeon Hearing thing. smile.gif


Valerie
Messiahiscoming







Shekel
QUOTE(Humble Bob @ Dec 6 2007, 03:54 PM) [snapback]135170[/snapback]

QUOTE(Shekel @ Dec 6 2007, 04:48 PM) [snapback]135169[/snapback]

Yes, three days = resurrection, and only the living can hear:

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live.


And note that this "hearing" is both "now" and to come.


"the dead shall hear" + "they that hear shall live"

=> the dead shall live

yes, this shows the connection between hearing and living. Only the living can hear, so when it says that the dead hear it implies that they have just been made alive.
Miki
QUOTE
"I will be lifted up by those who have risen up against me,
having compassion, lifting up those (low in) the dust a second time!"


It reminds me of what the drought (dust) must have been like that second year of the famine in Egypt and throughout the entire world when Joseph's brothers had to go down to ask for food.

Genisis 45...
QUOTE
Then Joseph said to his brothers, “Please come closer to me.” And they came closer. And he said, “I am your brother Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt. 5 “Now do not be grieved or angry with yourselves, because you sold me here, for God sent me before you to preserve life. 6 “For the famine has been in the land these two years, and there are still five years in which there will be neither plowing nor harvesting. 7 “God sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant in the earth, and to keep you alive by a great deliverance. 8 “Now, therefore, it was not you who sent me here, but God;


It was weepy to reread this story this morning...how Joseph delighted to forgive them and reasure them and how he wept!
sojourner
Lately, the Spirit has been impressing on me the importance of 'hearing'.


sojourner
Miki
We have to slip out of the comfort of our flesh to hear don't we... wub.gif
Messiahiscoming
Can you just imagine what it will be like when Christ finally reveals Himself to His people! Yes it is quite overwhelming to even think about.



Messiahiscoming

Miki
QUOTE
It reminds me of what the drought (dust) must have been like that second year of the famine in Egypt and throughout the entire world when Joseph's brothers had to go down to ask for food.


I know this isn't exactly what this code says...I'm only reflecting...I don't mean to distract. I'm not very systematic in my approach...I'll try to work on it. blush.gif

Miki
QUOTE

1 Adam Man

"Man"; "Mankind" (Comes from the word meaning, "to be red", as in the red earth [or red blood?])

http://bible-codes.org/Names-Bible-Prophecy-Code.htm


This is an interesting name and interpretation...supposedly a metaphor to the potter and the clay. Would this be the second creation of man that some think is referred to in Genesis 27 as apposed to the creation in 26? Or would you say they are one and the same?
Shekel
QUOTE(Miki @ Dec 7 2007, 07:12 AM) [snapback]135290[/snapback]

QUOTE
"I will be lifted up by those who have risen up against me,
having compassion, lifting up those (low in) the dust a second time!"


It reminds me of what the drought (dust) must have been like that second year of the famine in Egypt and throughout the entire world when Joseph's brothers had to go down to ask for food.

Genisis 45...
QUOTE
Then Joseph said to his brothers, “Please come closer to me.” And they came closer. And he said, “I am your brother Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt. 5 “Now do not be grieved or angry with yourselves, because you sold me here, for God sent me before you to preserve life. 6 “For the famine has been in the land these two years, and there are still five years in which there will be neither plowing nor harvesting. 7 “God sent me before you to preserve for you a remnant in the earth, and to keep you alive by a great deliverance. 8 “Now, therefore, it was not you who sent me here, but God;


It was weepy to reread this story this morning...how Joseph delighted to forgive them and reasure them and how he wept!

I was just dicussing what "forgiving what is dust a second time means", and how it relates to Joseph --- and here is your post!

This is what we noticed, that Joseph is a type of Christ, and Joseph forgave his brothers a second time. The second time was 17 years later when Jacob died at the age of 147 (7 x 7 x 3).

Compare the two times:

Gen 45:4 And Joseph said unto his brethren, Come near to me, I pray you. And they came near. And he said, I [am] Joseph your brother, whom ye sold into Egypt.
Gen 45:5 Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for God did send me before you to preserve life.


Gen 50:16 And they sent a messenger unto Joseph, saying, Thy father did command before he died, saying,
Gen 50:17 So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
Gen 50:18 And his brethren also went and fell down before his face; and they said, Behold, we [be] thy servants.
Gen 50:19 And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for [am] I in the place of God?
Gen 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; [but] God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as [it is] this day, to save much people alive.


==================
The meaning of the names code from Adam to Jesus agrees with this interpretation because the rest of the code speaks along this line of thing.
==================
I also noticed that when the bible says, "From dust you are and to dust you shall return", but that it literally reads, "You are dust, and to dust you shall return." (Some translations translate it literally as it should be, such as the NIV and KJV.)

This agrees with the acrostic that literally reads "...forgiving what is dust a second time." I have translated the acrostic as "from dust" because the Hebrew allows for it, but even if one would contend that point, the bible likewise literally calls Adam "dust", not just "from dust". A small point perhaps, but important for the skeptics.

Even Gen. 2:7 reads that God made man dust from the ground, rather than making man from dust from the ground.

(Darby) And Jehovah Elohim formed Man, dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and Man became a living soul.

(HOT) וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃
Miki
You're right Dean...It was forgivness a second time. But if you think about it...really...he had already forgave them...but they were still fearful because their conscience was so pricked...They needed that reassurance...noticed that we don't have an account of Jacob actually saying that but it sounds like perhaps it was something they came up with themselves:

read here:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...&version=50
QUOTE
Joseph Reassures His Brothers

15 When Joseph’s brothers saw that their father was dead, they said, “Perhaps Joseph will hate us, and may actually repay us for all the evil which we did to him.” 16 So they sent messengers to Joseph, saying, “Before your father died he commanded, saying, 17 ‘Thus you shall say to Joseph: “I beg you, please forgive the trespass of your brothers and their sin; for they did evil to you.”’ Now, please, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of your father.” And Joseph wept when they spoke to him.


They humbled themselves from brothers to servants in accordance with the dreams they mocked him over...They added a little frosting to the cake...Which is OK...

Isn't that how it is when we do a "big time" trespass...We want that reassurance of forgivness...

But this reminds me of something else...Jacob got the blessing from his father instead of Esau...but there will always be controversy as to how it was obtained...Especially especially in Jacobs mind..He knew what his mother had told him...BUT...He needed to hear from God himself. He needed that extra reassurance.

He wanted a first hand blessing from God...(Even after he'd seen the ladder to heaven..) Not a second hand blessing..or as he saw in his mind as an underhanded blessing...It always bothered him..

It was the reassurance...I'm not sure the psychology behind God making him wrestle for it..
But l can feel tears well up as l think about it.
Simple
Val , you are talking about Simeon, and the downfall and rising of many..


I was thinking of Jesus ( in Malachi) arising as the Sun of righteousness,

and wondered what you thought.

When Jesus renounced Israel, and following the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70,
the sun set on Israel.

The Church, and the gentiles, have been walking in the light

Isa 9:2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light:

and Israel has been thrown into darkness

Jhn 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


and have been going through their own dark night.

Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.

-----------

Prophecy revolves around national Israel,
which is why the timing of Jesus' return is
'like a thief in the night.'

and Jesus' return is measured in the night watches.

Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find [them] so, blessed are those servants.

----

So while the Church is in daylight, Israel is going through the night, 4 watches, anything up to 4000 years.

But at the end of the night the sun rises,
its downfall is over,
and it starts rising.

....
........the sun of righteousness rises on the Jewish people

and as everyone knows, the sun rises in the East, and shines to the West

Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Simple
Going with hearing, Val.

What about Elijah?

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Miki
Marcus..It's amazing how much we can find when we keep looking!
________________________________________________________

In regards to dust and stubble: Or should l say in regards to stubble and dust....

I'm not sure if l'm stretching this to far...but l was thinking about dust. Now l want to think about stubble. Because stubble is more of an end product..so different than dust and in the Blue Letter Bible it lists the scriptures that use the term figuritivly for wicked men;

Nave's Topical Bible
Figurative
Stubble:

Of wicked people

Exd 15:7; Job 21:18; Psa 83:13; Isa 5:24; 40:24; 41:2; 47:14; Jer 13:24; Joe 2:5; Nah 1:10; Mal 4:1

So here again with stubble and dust two different kinds of people are being represented?
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2009 Invision Power Services, Inc.