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God is a Mathematician
By Keith Newman.
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by
atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical
seal beneath its surface.
It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.
Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most reknowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on
December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated
in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius
who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.
Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.
Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.
It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure
underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually
reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".
Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware
of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.
Panin found his proof in the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.
In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.
The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.
This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book
of the scriptures emphasizing certain passages and illustrating deeper or
further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the
Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.
Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and
from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling.
The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year
silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the
handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in
accord with the other.
Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalize the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: "If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this.
"We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it''.
The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.
In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Then in 2 Peter 9:20-21 it plainly states: "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".
Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture
together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations
of seven.
This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The
numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any
number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.
Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).
In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7).
The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4
x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every
seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or
octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8).
Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son
of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is
finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or
dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the
origins of this number can be found by unravelling all the names by which
Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs
13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is
personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).
Anthropoktonos or "murderer" has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or "serpent" is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or "called the Devil and Satan" is valued 2197 (13 x 13 x 13).
This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Panin's work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.
He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure.
By and large it was a thankless task. Panin said "When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet - I was in the same condition
as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem
while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying 'I have found it'. I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself".
Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published
Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric
English New Testament.
The works of Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Panin
once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium
of the New York Sun newspaper November 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly
refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame
excuses. The rest were silent.
Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking
for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted. He died at Aldershot, Ontario Canada on October 30th, 1942, aged 87.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/mathematic_bible.htm
God is the most amazing mathematician, not only with the numerical codes of the bible but also in nature itself.
There are patterns in nature that are so mathematically perfect that they defy human understanding.
There are patterns in nature that are so mathematically perfect that they defy human understanding.
google for
THEOMATICS
by DEL WASHBURN
i've not checked his work, but , if he's right, his work follows in the footsteps of Panin.
THEOMATICS
by DEL WASHBURN
i've not checked his work, but , if he's right, his work follows in the footsteps of Panin.
EASY ANSWER OUTER SPACE
The book of John says that without the WORD, there is nothing made that was not made.
We know that the Word made flesh is Jesus Christ.
Therefore math was created by Him! It's everywhere!
WOW GOD!
Now, what is so awesome is that EVER SINCE Moses wrote the Torah, these codes were there, and that they were only discovered during the XXth century. The XXth century is also "MARKED" by being the century of unparalelled human technique, like the COMPUTERS, which now allow us to decipher those very codes.
The world population has doubled in the past 40 years and these computers come JUST IN TIME (!) to prove these codes who have been there all along.
COINCIDENCE???
I don't think so!
We know that the Word made flesh is Jesus Christ.
Therefore math was created by Him! It's everywhere!
WOW GOD!
Now, what is so awesome is that EVER SINCE Moses wrote the Torah, these codes were there, and that they were only discovered during the XXth century. The XXth century is also "MARKED" by being the century of unparalelled human technique, like the COMPUTERS, which now allow us to decipher those very codes.
The world population has doubled in the past 40 years and these computers come JUST IN TIME (!) to prove these codes who have been there all along.
COINCIDENCE???
I don't think so!
Dear Metatron
Wonderful article.
I've post a link to this page in Bible Prophecy, Topic: "Bible Codes Apostacy, misusing Gods word", by Look-to-Jesus-NOW, because it would appear that the depth of GODs wisdom is indeed infinite.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
Wonderful article.
I've post a link to this page in Bible Prophecy, Topic: "Bible Codes Apostacy, misusing Gods word", by Look-to-Jesus-NOW, because it would appear that the depth of GODs wisdom is indeed infinite.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
The Lord God surely IS THE Master Geometer of all creation!
Numerical analysis of scripture continues to reveal substructures in the text, illuminated by tools only recently available to enhance this research! I believe we will eventually see that information is almost holographically distributed, if you will, in the Biblical writings. There are numerical codings that are sitting visible in the Bible, such as the careful details of the numbering of the tribes of Israel. AND there are numerical codings in the very word structure that are coming to light with the use of computer analysis. The beauty of the Hebrew language is that it employs "alpha numeric" notation, meaning a word is used to write a number, unlike the Arabic numeral system that we are accustomed to using which uses digits. This method is a God given technique serving to reduce arguable controversy pertaining to the accuracy of the legacy of the Word. All sound is energy in motion and exhibits a vibrational structure! What is written is read aloud and thus the Life of the Word. Daniel predicted that we would come to these days of insight and understanding.
Karen Jacks ~ Sacred Hand
Numerical analysis of scripture continues to reveal substructures in the text, illuminated by tools only recently available to enhance this research! I believe we will eventually see that information is almost holographically distributed, if you will, in the Biblical writings. There are numerical codings that are sitting visible in the Bible, such as the careful details of the numbering of the tribes of Israel. AND there are numerical codings in the very word structure that are coming to light with the use of computer analysis. The beauty of the Hebrew language is that it employs "alpha numeric" notation, meaning a word is used to write a number, unlike the Arabic numeral system that we are accustomed to using which uses digits. This method is a God given technique serving to reduce arguable controversy pertaining to the accuracy of the legacy of the Word. All sound is energy in motion and exhibits a vibrational structure! What is written is read aloud and thus the Life of the Word. Daniel predicted that we would come to these days of insight and understanding.
Karen Jacks ~ Sacred Hand
God gives us a peek through his word.
He gives us and inch but we want a mile. Natural curiosity has it's downfall.
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
QUOTE (Miki @ Feb 27 2008, 07:52 AM) 
God gives us a peek through his word.
He gives us and inch but we want a mile. Natural curiosity has it's downfall.
He gives us and inch but we want a mile. Natural curiosity has it's downfall.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And Jesus said to them, "Therefore every scribe who has become a disciple of the kingdom of heaven is like a head of a household, who brings out of his treasure things new and old."Matt. 13:52
King James Bible
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.Matt. 13:52
Wesley's Notes
13:52 Every scribe instructed unto the kingdom of heaven - That is, every duly prepared preacher of the Gospel has a treasure of Divine knowledge, out of which he is able to bring forth all sorts of instructions. The word treasure signifies any collection of things whatsoever, and the places where such collections are kept.
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
52. Then said he unto them, Therefore-or as we should say, "Well, then."
every scribe-or Christian teacher: here so called from that well-known class among the Jews. (See Mt 23:34).
which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven-himself taught in the mysteries of the Gospel which he has to teach to others.
is like unto a man that is an householder which bringeth forth-"turneth" or "dealeth out."
out of his treasure-his store of divine truth.
things new and old-old truths in ever new forms, aspects, applications, and with ever new illustrations.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
13:44-52 Here are four parables. 1. That of the treasure hid in the field. Many slight the gospel, because they look only upon the surface of the field. But all who search the Scriptures, so as in them to find Christ and eternal life, Joh 5:39, will discover such treasure in this field as makes it unspeakably valuable; they make it their own upon any terms. Though nothing can be given as a price for this salvation, yet much must be given up for the sake of it. 2. All the children of men are busy; one would be rich, another would be honourable, another would be learned; but most are deceived, and take up with counterfeits for pearls. Jesus Christ is a Pearl of great price; in having him, we have enough to make us happy here and for ever. A man may buy gold too dear, but not this Pearl of great price. When the convinced sinner sees Christ as the gracious Saviour, all things else become worthless to his thoughts. 3. The world is a vast sea, and men, in their natural state, are like the fishes. Preaching the gospel is casting a net into this sea, to catch something out of it, for His glory who has the sovereignty of this sea. Hypocrites and true Christians shall be parted: miserable is the condition of those that shall then be cast away. 4. A skilful, faithful minister of the gospel, is a scribe, well versed in the things of the gospel, and able to teach them. Christ compares him to a good householder, who brings forth fruits of last year's growth and this year's gathering, abundance and variety, to entertain his friends. Old experiences and new observations, all have their use. Our place is at Christ's feet, and we must daily learn old lessons over again, and new ones also.
I put up a topic about God and the speed of light etc. http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry154932
Feel free to add as I am sure there is more!
Lol. Science, go figure! 
Feel free to add as I am sure there is more!
Lol. Science, go figure!
QUOTE (Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
yes do tell us. Please place a link on this thread for your explanation. Of course, He is a mathematician! He is sooooooo good! He BLOWS my mind; He is awesome;
WOW GOD! You are sooooo good! WOW mathematics! How beautiful! WOW Codes! How beautiful! CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 27 2008, 06:08 PM)
CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
I can attest to these statements
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2408
[b]Nonstandard Mathematics and a Doctrine of God[/b]
[b]Nonstandard Mathematics and a Doctrine of God[/b]
QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 27 2008, 06:08 PM)
QUOTE (Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
yes do tell us. Please place a link on this thread for your explanation. Of course, He is a mathematician! He is sooooooo good! He BLOWS my mind; He is awesome;
WOW GOD! You are sooooo good! WOW mathematics! How beautiful! WOW Codes! How beautiful! CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
Anne,
Well, I just finished creating the thread I said I would - and here's the link to that thread: God's Number .
QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 28 2008, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
yes do tell us. Please place a link on this thread for your explanation. Of course, He is a mathematician! He is sooooooo good! He BLOWS my mind; He is awesome;
WOW GOD! You are sooooo good! WOW mathematics! How beautiful! WOW Codes! How beautiful! CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
The Word is actually multidimensional, and only the Lord God knows how many dimensions there are.
I suspect that the infinity of the Word will never cease to amaze us (at least that is what I am hoping for).
As of right now, it is obviously proven by Shekel that there are at least 3 dimensions to the Word,
if we do not count the hidden other languages in the Word.
That makes the Word not a sheer flat book, but a CUBICLE that mirrors on all sides, reflecting the readers soul always.
It is the SUMMIT of CREATION. =)
QUOTE (Labrys @ Feb 28 2008, 03:22 AM)
QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 28 2008, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
yes do tell us. Please place a link on this thread for your explanation. Of course, He is a mathematician! He is sooooooo good! He BLOWS my mind; He is awesome;
WOW GOD! You are sooooo good! WOW mathematics! How beautiful! WOW Codes! How beautiful! CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
The Word is actually multidimensional, and only the Lord God knows how many dimensions there are.
I suspect that the infinity of the Word will never cease to amaze us (at least that is what I am hoping for).
As of right now, it is obviously proven by Shekel that there are at least 3 dimensions to the Word,
if we do not count the hidden other languages in the Word.
That makes the Word not a sheer flat book, but a CUBICLE that mirrors on all sides, reflecting the readers soul always.
It is the SUMMIT of CREATION. =)
Yes, and the Lord Loves ALL Peoples, doesn't He.
[b]Nonstandard Mathematics and a Doctrine of God
http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2408
(this is deep reading but, good)
[/b]
QUOTE
(Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
To Godsword and all,
Please allow me to suggest that the above Post may have entered into a dimension apart from reality.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
QUOTE (DaDad @ Mar 6 2008, 09:33 PM)
QUOTE
(Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
To Godsword and all,
Please allow me to suggest that the above Post:
QUOTE
(Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
may have entered into a dimension apart from reality.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdE6kA7FSZk
QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 27 2008, 06:08 PM)
QUOTE (Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
yes do tell us. Please place a link on this thread for your explanation. Of course, He is a mathematician! He is sooooooo good! He BLOWS my mind; He is awesome;
WOW GOD! You are sooooo good! WOW mathematics! How beautiful! WOW Codes! How beautiful! CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
Yes indeed!
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
QUOTE (Labrys @ Feb 28 2008, 03:22 AM)
QUOTE (Anne @ Feb 28 2008, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
yes do tell us. Please place a link on this thread for your explanation. Of course, He is a mathematician! He is sooooooo good! He BLOWS my mind; He is awesome;
WOW GOD! You are sooooo good! WOW mathematics! How beautiful! WOW Codes! How beautiful! CODES are made to be found and each and every child of God KNOWS when the codes he or she sees are coming from God, because godly codes speak God's language! When you see God's codes, you recognize THE SOURCE!!! The source of godly codes has a special TUNE to it! Just like the Bible does! Just like God's CREATION!
The Word is actually multidimensional, and only the Lord God knows how many dimensions there are.
I suspect that the infinity of the Word will never cease to amaze us (at least that is what I am hoping for).
As of right now, it is obviously proven by Shekel that there are at least 3 dimensions to the Word,
if we do not count the hidden other languages in the Word.
That makes the Word not a sheer flat book, but a CUBICLE that mirrors on all sides, reflecting the readers soul always.
It is the SUMMIT of CREATION. =)
I like the way you put that. It is so true, "That makes the Word not a sheer flat book, but a CUBICLE that mirrors on all sides, reflecting the readers soul always."
yes, it is the testimony of Jesus that is the spirit of prophecy.
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
QUOTE (metatron @ Nov 15 2007, 10:53 AM)
God is a Mathematician
By Keith Newman.
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by
atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical
seal beneath its surface.
It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.
Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most reknowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on
December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated
in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius
who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.
Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.
Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.
It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure
underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually
reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".
Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware
of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.
Panin found his proof in the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.
In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.
The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.
This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book
of the scriptures emphasizing certain passages and illustrating deeper or
further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the
Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.
Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and
from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling.
The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year
silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the
handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in
accord with the other.
Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalize the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: "If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this.
"We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it''.
The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.
In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Then in 2 Peter 9:20-21 it plainly states: "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".
Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture
together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations
of seven.
This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The
numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any
number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.
Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).
In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7).
The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4
x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every
seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or
octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8).
Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son
of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is
finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or
dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the
origins of this number can be found by unravelling all the names by which
Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs
13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is
personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).
Anthropoktonos or "murderer" has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or "serpent" is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or "called the Devil and Satan" is valued 2197 (13 x 13 x 13).
This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Panin's work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.
He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure.
By and large it was a thankless task. Panin said "When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet - I was in the same condition
as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem
while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying 'I have found it'. I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself".
Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published
Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric
English New Testament.
The works of Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Panin
once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium
of the New York Sun newspaper November 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly
refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame
excuses. The rest were silent.
Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking
for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted. He died at Aldershot, Ontario Canada on October 30th, 1942, aged 87.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/mathematic_bible.htm
By Keith Newman.
The authenticity of the Holy Bible has been attacked at regular intervals by
atheists and theologians alike but none have explained away the mathematical
seal beneath its surface.
It would seem the divine hand has moved to prevent counterfeiting in the pages of the Bible in a similar manner to the line that runs through paper money. Bible numerics appears to be God's watermark of authenticity.
Vital research on this numeric seal was completed by a native of the world's most reknowned atheistic nation, Russia. Ivan Panin was born in Russia on
December 12, 1855. As a young man he was an active nihilist and participated
in plots against the Czar and his government. He was a mathematical genius
who died a Harvard scholar and a citizen of the United States in 1942.
Panin was exiled from Russia. And after spending a number of years studying in Germany, he went to the United States where he became an outstanding lecturer on literary criticism.
Panin was known as a firm agnostic - so well known that when he discarded his agnosticism and accepted the Christian faith, the newspapers carried headlines telling of his conversion.
It was in 1890 that Panin made the discovery of the mathematical structure
underlining the vocabulary of the Greek New Testament. He was casually
reading the first verse of the gospel of John in the Greek: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with the God and the Word was God...".
Panin was curious as to why the Greek word for "the"' preceded the word "God"' in one case and not the other. In examining the text he became aware
of a number relationship. This was the first of the discoveries that led to his conversion and uncovered the extensive numeric code.
Panin found his proof in the oldest and most accurate manuscripts - the Received Hebrew Text and the Westcott and Hort Text.
In the original languages of the Bible, mostly Hebrew and Greek, there are no separate symbols for numbers, letters of the alphabet are also used to indicate numbers.
The numeric value of a word is the sum total of all its letters. It was curiosity that first caused Panin to begin toying with the numbers behind the texts. Sequences and patterns began to emerge. These created such a stirring in the heart of the Russian that he dedicated 50 years of his life to painstakingly comb the pages of the Bible.
This complex system of numbering visibly and invisibly saturates every book
of the scriptures emphasizing certain passages and illustrating deeper or
further meaning in types and shadows. The 66 books of the Bible 39 in the
Old and 27 in the New were written by 33 different people.
Those authors were scattered throughout various countries of the world and
from widely different backgrounds. Many of them had little or no schooling.
The whole Bible was written over a period of 1500 years with a 400 year
silence apart from the Apocrypha between the two testaments. Despite the
handicaps the biblical books are found to be a harmonious record, each in
accord with the other.
Panin says the laws of probability are exceeded into the billions when we try and rationalize the authorship of the Bible as the work of man. He once said: "If human logic is worth anything at all we are simply driven to the conclusion that if my facts I have presented are true, man could never have done this.
"We must assume that a Power higher than man guided the writers in such a way, whether they knew it or not, they did it and the Great God inspired them to do it''.
The Bible itself states clearly that it is the literal God-breathed'' living word of the Creator. The words "Thus saith the Lord"' and "God said"' occur more than 2500 times throughout scripture.
In 2 Timothy 3:16 it states "All scripture is given by inspiration of God". Then in 2 Peter 9:20-21 it plainly states: "No prophecy of the scriptures is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost".
Let's take the number seven as an illustration of the way the patterns work. Seven is the most prolific of the mathematical series which binds scripture
together. The very first verse of the Bible "In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth" (Gen 1:1), contains over 30 different combinations
of seven.
This verse has seven Hebrew words having a total of 28 letters 4 x 7. The
numeric value of the three nouns "God", "heaven" and "earth" totals 777. Any
number in triplicate expresses complete, ultimate or total meaning.
Also tightly sealed up with sevens are the genealogy of Jesus, the account of the virgin birth and the resurrection. Seven occurs as a number 187 times in the Bible (41 x 7), the phrase "seven-fold" occurs seven times and "seventy" occurs 56 times (7 x 8).
In the Book of Revelation seven positively shines out: there are seven golden candlesticks, seven letters to seven churches, a book sealed with seven seals, seven angels standing before the Lord with seven trumpets, seven thunders and seven last plagues. In fact there are over 50 occurrences of the number seven in Revelation alone.
There are 21 Old Testament writers whose names appear in the Bible (3 x 7).
The numeric value of their names is divisible by seven. Of these 21, seven are named in the New Testament: Moses, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea and Joel. The numeric values of these names is 1554 (222 x 7). David's name is found 1134 times (162 x 7).
God's seal also pervades creation as though it were woven into the very fabric of nature.
The Bible has declared man's years to be three score and ten (70). The development of the human embryo is in exact periods of sevens or 28 days (4
x 7). Medical science tells us the human body is renewed cell for cell every
seven years.
We're told the pulse beats slower every seven days as if it were in accord with the seventh day of rest proclaimed in the Genesis creation week. And God formed man of the dust of the ground (Gen 2:7); science confirms the human body is made of the same 14 elements (2 x 7) found in your average handful of dust.
The light of the sun is made up of seven distinct colours as shown in the rainbow. In music there are seven distinct notes which climax in a chord or
octave at the beginning of a new seven.
In almost all animals the incubation or pregnancy period is divisible by seven. Seven is often referred to as "God's seal" or the number of spiritual perfection.
Eight is the number of new life or "resurrection". It is the personal number of Jesus. When we add together the letter values of the name Jesus in the Greek we get 888. Jesus was called The Christ, the numeric value of this title is 1480 (185 x 8). He was Savior which has the value 1408 (2 x 8 x 88).
Jesus is also Lord which again is a multiple of eight being 800 (100 x 8).
Messiah has the numeric value 656 (82 x8). Jesus also called himself the Son
of man. The term occurs 88 times and is valued at 2960 (370 x 8).
Jesus said "I am the truth": the numeric value of "the truth" is 64 (8 x 8). The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of Jesus Christ which has exactly 888 Greek words. Eight persons were saved in the Ark at the great Noahic flood. God made a covenant with Abraham that every male Jewish child was to be circumcised on the eighth day of his life.
There are eight individual cases of resurrection spoken of in the Bible apart from Jesus. Three occur in the Old Testament, three in the gospels and two in Acts. It was on the eighth day or the first day of the new week that Jesus rose from the dead. The Holy Spirit also came down from heaven on the eighth day.
Nine is finality or completion. The first example of its use is that infinitely sealed first verse of the Bible: "In the beginning God'' which in Hebrew is: Brayshith Elohim which has the numeric value of 999. The very next statement "created the heaven" is also sealed with 999.
The number nine is endowed with a peculiar quality, it is finality in itself. Not only is it the final single number, but if you multiply it by any other number, the addition of the resulting figures will always revert back to nine (2 x 9 = 18 / 1 + 8 = 9 etc).
There are nine basic gifts available to the Christian believer through the power of God's Holy Spirit (1 Cor 12:8-10). There are nine basic fruits which should be evident in the life of the believer (Gal 5:22-23). The words "my wrath" have the numeric value 999. The word Amen or verily is valued at 99 and occurs 99 times.
The work on the cross was completed at the ninth hour when Jesus said "It is
finished". The shedding of his blood was final. It saw an end to the old system of animal sacrifice to atone for sin. The word "blood" in this sense occurs 99 times.
Great superstition has always surrounded the number 13 as being unlucky or
dark. Perhaps there is good reason. One of the most convincing proofs of the
origins of this number can be found by unravelling all the names by which
Satan is known. Drakon or dragon has a value of 975 (13 x 75) and it occurs
13 times. Peirazon or tempter has a value of 1053 (13 x 81). Belial which is
personification of evil has a value of 78 (13 x 6).
Anthropoktonos or "murderer" has a value of 1820 (13 x 40). Ophis or "serpent" is 780 (13 x 60). The phrase used by the Holy Spirit Ho kaloumenos diablos kai ho Satanas or "called the Devil and Satan" is valued 2197 (13 x 13 x 13).
This article is in truth an oversimplification of the work of Panin and others who followed in his footsteps. Panin's work initially involved some 40,000 pages of material on which he had written millions of small neat calculations. It involved volumes.
He often laboured up to 18 hours a day exploring the vast numeric structure.
By and large it was a thankless task. Panin said "When I first made the discovery I was of course, taken off my feet - I was in the same condition
as our friend Archimedes who when he solved a great mathematical problem
while in the bath, rushed in to the street naked, crying 'I have found it'. I thought people would be delighted to embrace the new discovery, but I found human nature is always the same. So I quietly withdrew and did my work all by myself".
Although it would appear that his work has been largely lost from popular reading today Panin did accomplish several outstanding works. He published
Structure in the Bible the Numeric Greek New Testament and the Numeric
English New Testament.
The works of Ivan Panin have been put before the experts many times. Panin
once challenged nine noted rationalists and Bible critics through the medium
of the New York Sun newspaper November 9, 1899. He dared them to publicly
refute or give explanation for a few of his presented facts. Four made lame
excuses. The rest were silent.
Panin issued a challenge throughout leading newspapers of the world asking
for a natural explanation or rebuttal of the facts. Not a single person accepted. He died at Aldershot, Ontario Canada on October 30th, 1942, aged 87.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/mathematic_bible.htm
This code http://www.bible-codes.org/pictures-b-code...ery-solved3.htm is further evidence of the underlying use of sevens in Genesis one.
This code starts from the very first letter of the bible. Note what it says at every seven letter skips as highlighted below in red, and recall that God created in seven days, and seven is the number of perfection ("flawless one").
(ELS 1) "I WILL APPOINT A SON (ELS 2) AGAINST THE ENEMY OF GOD (cf., Genesis 3:15), (3) AGAINST AN ANCIENT ONE—A JACKAL (i.e., figurative of the devil, Revelation 12:9, Isaiah 34:14, 15 in LXX). (4) AGAINST ME A JACKAL GROWLED! (Ps. 22:12-16) (5) A DAUGHTER IS FOR THE FLAWLESS ONE! (Ps. 45:10, 11 Revelation 19:7-16) (6) AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT—ALAS! (2Cor. 5:10, Revelation 19:11) (ELS 7) ( A group of Three) CREATED, AND SHE WAS MADE SUITABLE TO THE FLAWLESS ONE!" (Cf., Genesis 2:18, Eph. 5:30-32, Revelation 21:1-5.)
It was after I discovered this code that someone showed me Penins work on this same verse. The image is only possible because of the sevens in Genesis 1:1.
I am no mathematician like Ivan Panin, but this only proves that God gives the understanding to whom he will, not based upon human intelligence, pedigree (I am not Jewish), esteem in the eyes of men. But God gives these things to the ignorant and foolish to silence the wise, so that no flesh should boast in His sight.
Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Mat 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Mat 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and [he] to whomsoever the Son will reveal [him].
QUOTE (blindzebra @ Mar 7 2008, 11:41 AM)
yes, it is the testimony of Jesus that is the spirit of prophecy.
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
About the Old Covenant (although we are off topic here), the Old Covenant is superseded by the New one. It is not destroyed, it is just no longer necessary because something better has come that fulfills the old one in a way that those under the old one could never do.
The Old Covenant was external and the New one internal.
Jesus cleans the inside of the person and once the inside is clean then the outside becomes clean, and progressively clean.
The Old Covenant attempted to alter ones actions without touching the heart. The New covenant changes the heart, and this effects how one lives their lives and so fulfills the requirements of the old covenant. But if one tries to live by the Old covenant now, they will die because they will be focusing on their own efforts to change themselves, rather than looking to Jesus who changes them by His Spirit to be like Himself. Those that seek to follow the Old Covenant with its laws and ceremonies slowly find themselves dieing, with life ebbing out of them. But those that obey the new covenant and do not seek to go back to the old, and look to Jesus to be their all in all, will find themselves increasingly like Jesus, and thereby the righteous intent of the Old Covenant increasingly being fulfilled in them.
Thus, we are of the New Jerusalem, not of the Old one that is in bondage unto this day. Our citizenship is in heaven, not earth. But God has promised for His names sake to make the Jerusalem below one day His footstool. And so God has not forsaken the natural Jew or the natural Jerusalem, but God has a blessed plan for them both so that men might know His power and His faithfulness, like He did in the days of Moses when Israel came up out of bondage in Egypt.
QUOTE (Shekel @ Mar 7 2008, 12:22 PM)
QUOTE (blindzebra @ Mar 7 2008, 11:41 AM)
yes, it is the testimony of Jesus that is the spirit of prophecy.
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
...God has not forsaken the natural Jew or the natural Jerusalem, but God has a blessed plan for them both so that men might know His power and His faithfulness, like He did in the days of Moses when Israel came up out of bondage in Egypt.
SERMON AUDIO
HATH GOD CAST AWAY HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE FOREKNEW ?
(Foreknow = Elect=Predestinated)
-click and hear-
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=3130191517
Paul and his Jewish People
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=3130191517
Romans Chapter 9
Romans Chapter 10
Romans Chapter 11
Romans 9
1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Romans 11
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
[Edit: Ooops. Repeated post, and so deleted.]
QUOTE (voice @ Mar 7 2008, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE (Shekel @ Mar 7 2008, 12:22 PM)
QUOTE (blindzebra @ Mar 7 2008, 11:41 AM)
yes, it is the testimony of Jesus that is the spirit of prophecy.
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
all things are weighed against this measure. --JESUS-- (the fullness of measure--even to overflowing)
Jesus, the Son of God, established the New Covenant.
Hebrews explains this for us. and it is written.
so, the old is passed away.
it is the NEW that we look for to come.
New Jerusalem is not Old Jerusalem.
DaDad....
i have read what things you write. you --are by far-- more intelligent than i.
has the old covenant been done away with?
or is it still valid?
or, in other words, of what meaning to you is the NEW Jerusalem?
and from where does it come?
is it upon earth? or it is something really "out of this world"? LOL
i have many questions.
love,
bz
...God has not forsaken the natural Jew or the natural Jerusalem, but God has a blessed plan for them both so that men might know His power and His faithfulness, like He did in the days of Moses when Israel came up out of bondage in Egypt.
SERMON AUDIO
HATH GOD CAST AWAY HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE FOREKNEW ?
(Foreknow = Elect=Predestinated)
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http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=3130191517
Paul and his Jewish People
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=3130191517
Romans Chapter 9
Romans Chapter 10
Romans Chapter 11
Romans 9
1I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.
29And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans 10
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
Romans 11
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
The Apostle Paul's words are clear enough, aren't they? Why people don't understand them I can't understand! God has not "cast off His people". Period.
QUOTE
QUOTE
(Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
To Godsword and all,
Please allow me to suggest that the above Post may have entered into a dimension apart from reality.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
To most all here:
Unless "reality" is defined, snide insults which depend upon that term are rather vacuous, at best. As it is, insults (particularly those based in ignorance), and criticisms which actually critique nothing, certainly are not examples of a noble-minded and respectful attitude.
QUOTE (Godsword @ Mar 8 2008, 03:26 AM)
QUOTE
QUOTE
(Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
To Godsword and all,
Please allow me to suggest that the above Post may have entered into a dimension apart from reality.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
To most all here:
Unless "reality" is defined, snide insults which depend upon that term are rather vacuous, at best. As it is, insults (particularly those based in ignorance), and criticisms which actually critique nothing, certainly are not examples of a noble-minded and respectful attitude.
Matthew 5:39
39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Matthew 5:23-25
23"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has SOMETHING AGAINST YOU , 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.
voice,
All that is fine, but does not really apply in this case. And as far as "not resisting an evil person" is concerned, I wasn't - I was merely pointing out to others what I have noticed., lest they be subtly swayed.
By the way, you have words of correction for me - have you none for DaDad?
All that is fine, but does not really apply in this case. And as far as "not resisting an evil person" is concerned, I wasn't - I was merely pointing out to others what I have noticed., lest they be subtly swayed.
By the way, you have words of correction for me - have you none for DaDad?
QUOTE (Godsword @ Mar 8 2008, 12:06 PM)
voice,
All that is fine, but does not really apply in this case. And as far as "not resisting an evil person" is concerned, I wasn't - I was merely pointing out to others what I have noticed., lest they be subtly swayed.
By the way, you have words of correction for me - have you none for DaDad?
All that is fine, but does not really apply in this case. And as far as "not resisting an evil person" is concerned, I wasn't - I was merely pointing out to others what I have noticed., lest they be subtly swayed.
By the way, you have words of correction for me - have you none for DaDad?
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they
are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Tim 3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Rom 15:4: For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for
our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might
have hope.
voice,
Those are not "correcting" verses - rather, they are exhorting. None of them address the fact that DaDad essentially insulted me.
Those are not "correcting" verses - rather, they are exhorting. None of them address the fact that DaDad essentially insulted me.
QUOTE (Godsword @ Mar 8 2008, 08:55 PM)
voice,
Those are not "correcting" verses - rather, they are exhorting. None of them address the fact that DaDad essentially insulted me.
Those are not "correcting" verses - rather, they are exhorting. None of them address the fact that DaDad essentially insulted me.
Matthew 5:23-25
23"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has SOMETHING AGAINST YOU , 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.
QUOTE (DaDad @ Mar 6 2008, 09:33 PM)
QUOTE
(Godsword @ Feb 27 2008, 09:54 AM)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
Yes, God is a Mathematician. God's number is 36.4957759518574.... (I'll explain later, in another thread.)
To Godsword and all,
Please allow me to suggest that the above Post may have entered into a dimension apart from reality.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
Matthew 5:23-25
23"Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has SOMETHING AGAINST YOU , 24leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift.
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