On the CNN-Youtube Republican Debate a youtuber came up with the question about the dollar-crisis America (and the rest of the western world is facing)

The answer from the republican candidate was: Global Pension.

Look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdtv2snYDK4


I was thinking - that when the seniors arround the world gets a chance to get back their pensions (global pensions) - they will accept to be chipped.

The rest of the world have also big problems keeping up with the pensions (because of the Baby Boom in the past) is drawing close - and every shark is out there trying to get some by investments - and every country is out there investing the seniors pensions - litterally gambling with their money - look:



The average Pension-age in Norway is 67 - and you have to work for 40 years to recieve a full pension.

Now, remember that the Baby-boom came right after the war - from 1945 - 1950 - they will be 55 and 50 years old today - my parents generation is the baby-boom.

Now - you all know how grandpas and grandmas complain about the economy - it is because my parentsgeneration is currently in power - and they are stealing our grandparents money and gamble with them on the stock-marked - and as long as the war in Iraq went on - they all made a pretty penny (in US Dollars)

But now the stock-marked is collapsing as well as the US-Dollar, and that can ruin every country in the west if nobody takes action - I mean - litterally in one hour the western world we know will be ruined because all the US-friendly world is trading in US-currency.

The rest of the world has made a lot of money of the US-invaded War in Iraq - I meen every country out there is living the sweet life because of America - untill now.


Now people all arround the western world is scared - especially people who have a lot of assets invested on long term contracts in US currency - and we have huge funds all in US-Dollar - and those funds falls in value as the dollar keeps falling.

But - remember that after the panic and the collapse of the economy - There will come some guys and "fix everything" - and Americans and Europeans will trust those guys - and because of all the problems with files and tracking because of people fleeing their country in a hurry - They have the good old "mark of the beast" - and it will be business as usual - for someone.

But for us - we will face a lot of problems - because we have to flee from the mark - avoiding to get in the situation where we have to buy and sell - and some of us will die for our belief.



The market is collapsing rapidly - and the rich society is manovering out of europe and America - to Dubaii to live the sweet life in paradise - on their man-made island "The World"



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Looks to me that someone is making a real profit right about now - and guess where all the rich people move to? Yes - Dubai



The rich has left us here to die - while they are moving to paradise - they don´t believe in God, unless they are God - Dubaii is not made for ordinary people - but for the highest class of society - a new and better baylon.

When the war comes to USA, Europe and Scandinavia - they are sitting in a luxery suite with servants doing everything they want - they have brought war upon us - and because of them, we are fighting eachother.

And when Chaos breaks loose - they will watch us kill eachother for a while - and then they are going to once again make peace - and this time it will be a one world order, and that one world order can supply all the money in the world and end powerty - but we all know what is going to happend

A brief update:

According to This American TOP-Economist - The BabyBoom-pensions will start January 1st 2008


George has really spent lock stock and barrel on his war against "terror"


I hope you all took my advice earlier and got yourself what you need to eat and drink over the next couple of years, because USA is going down - and nobody can stop it.


Stay in Christ

In Christ
Togarma

I have always thought about what I would do if they did force the "mark" onto people to pay for food and other things. I think I would just have to become a rebel. Trying my best to stay out of prisons and destroy as much of the new goverments things as possible till Jesus finally took me home.

you go where I cannot follow.

God does not aprove wrath from us.

You dont have to worry about getting stamps on your forehead or chips in your hand.........

This is the "Mark of the beast" which is confusing to many today. This mark is in your hand, and in your forehead. Can a electronic chip be put in your hand, and forehead change your beliefs? I don't think so.

"In your hand" is an idiom that means to do Satan's work. You do the work of Satan [the Antichrist] when you bring others to him, or help in his system. This mark in the hand is speaking in a spiritual sense. "In the forehead" is referring to your mind [brain]. Being deceived by Satan in your mind is when you think he is the true Christ, and in ignorance you worship

I don't see any proof that the wealthy are moving to Dubai.

Perhaps its the Muslim elite who are moving there.

Nightmare....

That is not true. That is a literal chip..and there is a company in Florida who has been making them for several years now.

I have heard it on the news. They were talking about some hospitals going to this computerized chip because it would be easier for patients to have their records handy, have a current list of all present and past medications. Basically the patients whole medical history.

But do you see how this could expand into the banking industry? How it could be used like a debit card?

When this chip is forced on us....then that is the one we should be wondering about.

But IF Christians are still here when the time comes......I think many will be able to recognize him already.

You are getting your ideas from media,,,,,,Satan is not stupid,,,,if he tried to pull a stunt like that everyone would know no to get it......

16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

the word is "IN" ,,,what is in your forehead,,,,your brain,,,the mark is a thought process,,,it is believing satan is Christ.....

what the heck would a chip do,,,,this is a was of the minds not the flesh,,,,,ok so you put a chip in someone,,,thats not going to make them worship you,,,,you must decieve them..........

You do know God has a seal in peoples brain,,,,do you also believe that is a literal seal??????

Nah, chips for pensions won't happen. It's too soon for chipping people. They have a lot of other battles to win first.

You are skipping over one important point that the Word of God mentions:

buying or selling..........you are dismissing this portion of the content. You failed to mention it in your theology above, when it is a main point in the passage below.


Revelation 13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.



In His Love,
Suzanne

what is there to mention friend????? If you dont participate in the system you cant buy nor sell,,,,,,how do you participate?????You believe he is Christ,,,you tell your friends,,,and family Christ has returned,,you go out into the streets and party,,,,,you witness for him,,,,,not knowing the whole time you are worhipping a fake,,,thats why it is written::::::::

Matthew 24:26
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Satan is not stupid,,,,and some make him out to be,,,He has been around for thousand of thousands of years,,,,,,,he knows all about mans little chip in the hand and forehead doctrine ,,,doctrine,,,,if thats what your looking for your setting yourself up to be decieved,,,,this is a mind game.......

So, are you saying that you WILL be taking the mark to buy and sell?

Or will you reject it? And rely upon the Lord God to supply all your needs?


In His Love,
Suzanne

Read the book of Mallichi when you get a chance,,,,,I believe it gives some tips for keeping what you will need.......As far as me NIGHTMARE does not take marks from the beast.......

The temptation is only 5 months,,,,as Christians we can hack it,,,,and no personal trib will last longer then days,,,piece of cake right?

Rev 13:16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves,
to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that

no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark,

either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 14:9
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice,

"If anyone worships the beast and his image,
and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
10he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God,

which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger;
and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone
in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever;
they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image,
and whoever receives the mark of his name."





Taking the "mark" won't "change your beliefs." It will REVEAL YOUR BELIEFS.

The "marking" and "worshipping" are simple test to

REVEAL who believes in/has faith in Jesus Christ ....... and who doesn't.



Revelation describes a literal "mark".

Combined with electronic chip, v.17 is absolutely feasible.

Satan wants you to think the Rev does not mean what is says.

In the end,

all will either heed Jesus's Revelation .... and be saved,

or believe something else ...... and be lost.

Eternity is a long, long time.

Puh-leeze!

Revelations does not describe a literal mark,,,,,,,, it just says a mark,,,,,,But it doesnt take a genius to figure out it wont be literal.....The mark is inside your forehead,,,,

We can be pretty stupid, but most of us are not going to line up and be marked for control purposes with things so obvious. It has to be something hidden and subtle of which we are not aware. Satan is extremely smart and he knows how fool us, at which he is a expert.......


God also has a seal,,,,,,,Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

this seal is not literal either,,,,this is not a flesh war buddy,,,but a war of the minds........

Dude if the mark was literal no-one would get it......

So you say.



Your insinuation is noted.



What translation says "The mark is inside your forehead" ?

The "mark" is EITHER forehead OR hand.

If the "mark" was "in the mind",
then it would just say "in head" and there would be no mention of "hand".

By "forehead" it is plain that the mark is meant to be easily seen and accessable.



Everyone will be warned. Everyone will be encouraged to read and heed Rev.

But sadly, most of the world will take the literal "mark".

When the "marking" occurs, people who share your current opinion will persuade many that it is not
THE "marking" because [so you/they will say] "it can't be THE marking becuase THE marking is not literal."

For worldly reasons a lot of people will convince themself
the "marking" is not the "marking" and will "take the mark."

Same people who will worship a man [the "beast"] who will claim to be God.

"blind lead the blind"



Reader/Lurker, if you value your eternal soul, prayerfully read and heed the Revelation.

No written words in the world are more deserving of prayful study than Rev 14:9-11

Rom 3:4
May it never be! Rather, let God be found true,

though every man be found a liar, as it is written,"

THAT YOU MAY BE JUSTIFIED IN YOUR WORDS,
AND PREVAIL WHEN YOU ARE JUDGED."

When it comes to their love of "material things" and their "lack of faith" for God to provide their needs, you watch. They'll line up for it in a heartbeat! Because they will fear for their lives rather than trust in God. This is idolotry....to have more trust in anything else rather than God. And there is plenty of idolotry going on today.


In His Love,
Suzanne

I dont insinuate,,,,dude if I thought you were dumb,,,I would say ,,,"Dude your dumb!!!)

So no!! ,,,it does not take a genius to understand the mark.....

Look,,,,,,,,"In your hand" is a idiom,,,,do you know what that means??????

It means,,to do work.....to help the system, to be a part of the system.....Study idioms!!!!

Now in your forehead,,,,,,,whats in your forehead?????YOUR BRAIN........

Revelation 13:16 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark "IN"... their right hand, or "IN"..... their foreheads:"

"IN"

Sorry but that game plan is stupid......If your trying to deceive the world,,,you dont do it with a handstamp and a sharpie.....

Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And He said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden"?"

Satan is "more subtil", and wiser then the ways of the world. The word "beast" does not refer only to the animal world, but all living beings, including man.

What about Gods seal is that literal to???????

During the tribulation period dark craft will thrive.. the work of the devil. Violence will be foremost on the earth. There will be NO cash currency
so everyone on earth will be told to buy or sell you will need a mark or probably a chip under the skin. The apostate church will be fundamental
in getting everyone marked.. for their safety as well as to enable them to purchase goods or sell goods. All bases will be covered, without the
mark or chip you will be an outcast from that society.. people will gladly turn people in to the authorities who do not go along with the marking.
People without the devils marking will be todays criminals in their eyes you will be looked on as terrorists or at the least rebels.
The taking over of the financial system is the first phase the a/c must do for a world government.. society is being setup for the world ruler.. right
before our very eyes. What's next?. probably the transportation industry.. governments will pay huge sums of money for ships, planes and railway
systems.... God is warning His people that the end of the age of Grace is NEAR.. nothing stands between Christ's appearing for HIS people and the
begining of the 7 year tribulation. Are you ready to meet your God?


taltimbr

The bible says that satans tribulation is a peaceful one full of dedeption,,,,not violence.....also its not 7 years but 5 months.....

I do agree the system is being set up,,,,,,actually more like it needs some tuning........

If your looking for extreme violence ,,,,,,,and other things of that nature,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, your setting yourself up to be decieved...

Why would anyone want to implement a chip in the hand or head when using that kind of tech is already outdated?

Today there is technology that can identify some one in a combination of numerous things.

Whith a hidden camera a computer can identify you by:

Your gate (the way you walk)

your face,

your eye(s)

A computer can also analyze:

your distinct voice,

your fingerprints

Your handshape,


So.....
It would make perfect sense for the word's most advanced identification computer network to utilize the tamper-free methods above in harmony in order to maintain absolute security. A chip can be altered, destroyed, copied, damaged, stolen, etc. But your eyes, hands, fingerprints, walk, and voice cannot be easily fabricated.

A chip is not a good idea anymore. I don't understand the mark of the beast to be a literal thing anyhow.

As used in the pertainent verse,

there is no good reason to think it is meant as an idiom.




If people were given an anatomy quiz,

and a question was:

"where is your brain located" ? Most would answer: "in your head".

Very few might answer "behind your forehead".

NONE would answer "IN your FOREHEAD"



MOST translations say "on" or "upon".

Check out the verse in many translations at biblegateway.com

God also has a seal,,,will you say that this is literal......Of course not,,,,,it is a Idiom,,,and there are plenty of them in the bible,,,I would suggest you learn what they are and what they mean.........

Even 50 years ago, most readers had good reason to think the "marking" was not literal.

Most people had no inkling of the eletronics/computers now commonplace. Devices that keep track of the finances [and more] of billions of people. Funds transferred instantly around the world. 50 years ago the idea of some kind of literal "mark" on/in "forehead or right hand" without which one could not buy or sell [wordl wide] seemed fantastic/impossible.

How could any kind of "mark" keep track of world wide commerce ?

Well now we know. We all know the literal "marking" is perfectly feasible.

But it's not just "feasible". It is INEVITABLE. It is coming.

Credit cards are a forerunner. But credit cards are vulnerable to fraud/theft.

As of last year, credit/debit cards issued by my little credit union are unusable in Mexico,
due to unacceptably large numbers of fraud/theft incidences. This kind of crime can only grow.

"Identity theft" is becoming a well publicized relitively new and growing crime.

Many good security reasons will be presented to persuade people that the "marking" is a wonderful idea.

In a worldly sense, it IS a good idea.

Only drawback for taking the "mark" is that doing so dooms one to eternal lake of fire. [Rev 14]

Unlike 50 years ago, today, there is no good reason to doubt that the "marking" is literal.

Just like a credit card on/in one's forehead or hand.

Both "on" and "in" make sense. Something visual "on" and a tiny chip just under ["in"] the skin.

The worldly/lost will NOT call the "beast" "the "beast". They will call him wonderful and "God".

The worldly lost will NOT call the "marking" "the marking". They will call it wonderful.

Thanks Nightmare for confirming the 5 month temptation or for me. This is something that has been in my craw for some time. I keep getting the feasts and the 150 days between Passover and Tabernacles. The flood in Noah's day was 150 days as well. Revelation and Genesis are Parallel books.

No doubt if someone has the mark in their thoughts and works of their hands then it wont be a problem to get chipped either. But people are dying everyday and going to a burning hell with the Mark of Perdition upon them and there is no chip yet. So I am not going to wait around to see some physical manifestation that I may not be privy to.

If people will just be transformed by the renewing of the mind today then there is no need to dwell on what might or might not happen in the future that we have no control over.