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Palestinians say Mideast conference planned for November 26
Tue Nov 6, 8:49 AM ET
RAMALLAH, West Bank (AFP) - A senior Palestinian official said on Tuesday that an international Middle East conference in the United States was scheduled "in principle" to take place on November 26.
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Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice conveyed this date to Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas during talks in the occupied West Bank on Monday.
"Rice told the president that in principle the meeting would take place on November 26," the official said.
The top US diplomat wrapped up two days of talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Monday, on her eighth visit this year designed to revive full Middle East peace talks after seven years.
She and Abbas both cited progress in preparations for a conference in Annapolis, Maryland that Rice expressed hope would be the "launching pad" for formal negotiations towards the creation of a Palestinian state.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said the meeting was "planned for the last week in November."
"The invitations have not yet been issued," Olmert told reporters in Jerusalem, adding: "Syria's attendance at this meeting would be a good thing."
Rice said last month that it was up to Syria whether it attended the conference but that the meeting would not discuss Israel-Syria negotiations, which have been frozen since 2000.
Washington has yet to set a formal date for the conference, although it was widely expected to take place in November.
"We are on track for somewhere toward the end of this month, I hope. I don't see any reason to deviate from that schedule," a senior State Department official told reporters travelling with Rice
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The top US diplomat wrapped up two days of talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Monday, on her eighth visit this year designed to revive full Middle East peace talks after seven years.
What does that remind you of?
Dan. 9:24-27 (GNB)
"That ruler will have a firm agreement with many people for seven years, and when half this time is past, he will put an end to sacrifices and offerings. The Awful Horror will be placed on the highest point of the Temple and will remain there until the one who put it there meets the end which God has prepared for him."
I know that this is likely not the real thing. I just thought it was interesting.
Interestingly, part of the closed-door discussions had to do with the temple in Jerusalem, and its ruins.
And the peace talks are set to begin 1260 + 1335 years after Jerusalem was besieged by the Babylonians in Dec. 589 BC. That siege led to the initial abomination that caused desolation when the temple was destroyed by the Babylonians and "the times of the Gentiles" fully began.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
This first occurred in 586 BC and again in AD 70.
The Jewish new year...something changed this year...Could you tell?
"And I gave them my statutes and made known to them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall live in them." Ezek. xx. 11.
"I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you: I have set before you life and death, blessing and the curse; but do thou choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live." Deut. 30:19.
"And I gave them my statutes and made known to them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall live in them." Ezek. xx. 11.
"I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you: I have set before you life and death, blessing and the curse; but do thou choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live." Deut. 30:19.
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The top US diplomat wrapped up two days of talks with Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Monday, on her eighth visit this year designed to revive full Middle East peace talks after seven years.
What does that remind you of?
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Eze 17:3 and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: A great eagle with great wings and long pinions, full of feathers, which had divers colors, came unto Lebanon, and took the top of the cedar:
Eze 17:4 he cropped off the topmost of the young twigs thereof, and carried it unto a land of traffic; he set it in a city of merchants.
(Taking control of the leadership of Israel: Top of the cedar )
The top was planted and became a lowly vine...For God's purpose...so their roots and leaves would turn to him...but instead they turned to Egypt.
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Eze 17:3 and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: A great eagle with great wings and long pinions, full of feathers, which had divers colors, came unto Lebanon, and took the top of the cedar:
Eze 17:4 he cropped off the topmost of the young twigs thereof, and carried it unto a land of traffic; he set it in a city of merchants.
Part one: The Eagle takes off the top of the cedar
Part two: The LORD removes the top,( not the Eagle)
Eze 17:22 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I will also take of the lofty top of the cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the topmost of its young twigs a tender one, and I will plant it upon a high and lofty mountain: (The kingdom of God is this mountain)
Eze 17:23 in the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it; and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all birds of every wing; in the shade of the branches thereof shall they dwell.
Eze 17:24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I, Jehovah, have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree[/b], have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish;[b] I, Jehovah, have spoken and have done it.
God is removing the old "green tree" apostate leadership of the church and will replace it with His new leadership.
In the letter, we see Israel and what is happening to them. This reality picture is also a picture of what is happening to the church.
I believe that the US government is at this moment looking into the finances of some churches? Its a good thing, done by a beast system. It will start with the apostate church, because they are sinning, but will soon spread to the real people of God as well.
Eze 17:3 and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: A great eagle with great wings and long pinions, full of feathers, which had divers colors, came unto Lebanon, and took the top of the cedar:
Eze 17:4 he cropped off the topmost of the young twigs thereof, and carried it unto a land of traffic; he set it in a city of merchants.
Part one: The Eagle takes off the top of the cedar
Part two: The LORD removes the top,( not the Eagle)
Eze 17:22 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: I will also take of the lofty top of the cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the topmost of its young twigs a tender one, and I will plant it upon a high and lofty mountain: (The kingdom of God is this mountain)
Eze 17:23 in the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it; and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all birds of every wing; in the shade of the branches thereof shall they dwell.
Eze 17:24 And all the trees of the field shall know that I, Jehovah, have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree[/b], have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish;[b] I, Jehovah, have spoken and have done it.
God is removing the old "green tree" apostate leadership of the church and will replace it with His new leadership.
In the letter, we see Israel and what is happening to them. This reality picture is also a picture of what is happening to the church.
I believe that the US government is at this moment looking into the finances of some churches? Its a good thing, done by a beast system. It will start with the apostate church, because they are sinning, but will soon spread to the real people of God as well.
Thanks for bringing this up C...If you've read any of my posts you will know l've been struggling with these scriptures. God has brought me to some understanding. I guess l've left off the hope part...i sort of dead ended with the second eagle.
"Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time."
I didn't notice that the vine could be a willow...How fitting..a weeping willow.
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(R. L. Allan)
Discipline preserves us for future blessing, but it does not exalt us in this present world.
Connected with this thought, let us read this parable.
This cedar is Judah, or the house of David; the two eagles are the king of Babylon and the king of Egypt.
This cedar had incurred the discipline of the Lord, and the Lord used the king of Babylon, one of the eagles, as the rod of His hand, for correction. Under this rod, the house of David would be humbled, but preserved — for correction is for purifying, not for destruction. Discipline plants us in "a fruitful field," and by "great waters;" but we grow there, for the present, only as "a willow tree," as "a spreading vine of low stature," as this parable has it; "base," but kept and sheltered. (Ver. 5, 6, 14.)
Jehoiachin, who was of this cedar, found this to be so. He humbled himself under this eagle, the king of Babylon, the Lord's rod for correction, and he was preserved, though "base," for a season. For thirty-six years he was hid in Babylon; but he was then exalted, proving that he had been planted in "a fruitful field," though, for so long a season, he was but "a willow tree." (See 2 Kings 24, 25)
But another eagle comes near this cedar; and this cedar, the house of David, in the person of Zedekiah, who succeeded Jehoiachin, solicits him, "bends her roots towards him, and shoots forth her branches towards him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation." (See verse 7.)
Zedekiah seeks the king of Egypt, "that he might give him horses and much people," (verse 15) might flourish again under his shadow, refusing to be any longer "a willow tree." But this was rebellion against the Lord's rod, and the Lord revisits it as rebellion against Himself; and He enquires, shall such a cedar prosper? and He answers, he shall not prosper. Zedekiah shall know not merely the discipline but the judgment of the Lord. (Ver. 19, 20.) What a picture this is! what a moral may be read in it!
Happy is it when the soul bows to the hand of God, accepting the punishment of our sins. It is the place of blessing. Israel's blessing began there. When they stripped off their ornaments, and sought the Lord outside the camp, they were in the way to a blessing. (Ex. 33) And so, after they had failed in the kingdom, as they had failed in the wilderness, their blessing lay in Babylon as before it lay outside the camp. They must accept the punishment of their sins and go there.
It is thus with us individually. We must be broken in order to be blest. Discipline will keep us for future exaltation, but leave us "base" in this world. It is a "fruitful field" to the soul. But these are terms we do not particularly like. We would rather "bend our roots" towards that which may help us in the world. But that way, which is our own way, will end, as with Zedekiah, in shame and ruin. (See 2 Kings 25) Accepting the judgment of God, submitting under His mighty hand, will end, as with Jehoiachin, in blessing and exaltation.
Such is the parable of the cedar and the two eagles in Ezek. 17. But the close of that chapter, after the parable, must also be looked at. (See Ezek. 17: 22, 24.)
The prophet here looks forward to the Lord Jesus, the Messiah, the cedar of this parable in his day, the heir of the house of David; and this passage presents Him as taking His place as humbled and broken with the nation of Israel or the throne of David, and from thence, according to God, receiving His exaltation and kingdom.
But though broken, this was neither in conscience nor in relationship. He could not have been humbled, or broken, or convicted in conscience (as we are to be), for He was stainless and spotless, with neither corruption within, nor blemish without. He could not have been broken in relationship, as the house of David was, because he was no more federally represented by that fallen house, than as Son of man He was federally represented or headed in Adam. But He was broken in circumstances — for the ends of the glory of God, and the blessing of His people, the Lord Jesus was, by His own will, broken in circumstances. The heir of the throne was a carpenter. The Lord of the earth and its fulness had not where to lay His head. He was "a tender twig," a "low tree," a "dry tree." This is the Jesus of Isaiah 53 of whom it is said, "He shall grow up before him as a tender plant, as a root out of a dry ground; he hath no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see him there is no beauty that we should desire him." But this "tender twig" shall, in due season, be planted, as this passage tells us, "upon an high mountain and eminent." It shall "bring forth boughs and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar, and under it shall dwell all fowls of every wing, in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell."
And this is the millennial Jesus, as the other was the Nazarene Jesus. The "tender twig" of our prophet is the Nazarene Jesus; the "goodly cedar" with its boughs and fruit is the millennial Jesus. But it is the same Jesus who thus vindicates, and illustrates, and glorifies all the thoughts and principles, and truth of God. As the prophet closes this chapter, giving us the moral of the whole action: "And all the trees of the field shall know that I the Lord have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the Lord have spoken and have done it."
And surely this is very much the common moral of all God's dealings with us in this scene of proud revolt. And I may say again, as at the beginning, His discipline preserves us for future blessing and exaltation, but it does not make us great in this present world.
"Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time." But in contrast with this, just for another moment look at the history of another famous tree that was once set in the soil of this world. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, whom we have seen in this parable as one of the two eagles, was also a celebrated tree. His branch spread in its day, as the branch of this millennial Jesus will do by-and-by in "the world to come." (See Dan. 4) But Nebuchadnezzar had not previously been "a tender twig," a "low tree," a "dry tree." Accordingly, he exalts himself and meets the judgment of God. His leaves are scattered, his fruit shaken off, his branches cut down. He is left as "a stump in the earth." And then, being broken and humbled under God's mighty hand, God blesses, and exalts him, in His own way, at the latter end — that we may again learn God's way, to make us "tender twigs" ere we become "goodly cedars."
Discipline preserves us for future blessing, but it does not exalt us in this present world.
Connected with this thought, let us read this parable.
This cedar is Judah, or the house of David; the two eagles are the king of Babylon and the king of Egypt.
This cedar had incurred the discipline of the Lord, and the Lord used the king of Babylon, one of the eagles, as the rod of His hand, for correction. Under this rod, the house of David would be humbled, but preserved — for correction is for purifying, not for destruction. Discipline plants us in "a fruitful field," and by "great waters;" but we grow there, for the present, only as "a willow tree," as "a spreading vine of low stature," as this parable has it; "base," but kept and sheltered. (Ver. 5, 6, 14.)
Jehoiachin, who was of this cedar, found this to be so. He humbled himself under this eagle, the king of Babylon, the Lord's rod for correction, and he was preserved, though "base," for a season. For thirty-six years he was hid in Babylon; but he was then exalted, proving that he had been planted in "a fruitful field," though, for so long a season, he was but "a willow tree." (See 2 Kings 24, 25)
But another eagle comes near this cedar; and this cedar, the house of David, in the person of Zedekiah, who succeeded Jehoiachin, solicits him, "bends her roots towards him, and shoots forth her branches towards him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation." (See verse 7.)
Zedekiah seeks the king of Egypt, "that he might give him horses and much people," (verse 15) might flourish again under his shadow, refusing to be any longer "a willow tree." But this was rebellion against the Lord's rod, and the Lord revisits it as rebellion against Himself; and He enquires, shall such a cedar prosper? and He answers, he shall not prosper. Zedekiah shall know not merely the discipline but the judgment of the Lord. (Ver. 19, 20.) What a picture this is! what a moral may be read in it!
Happy is it when the soul bows to the hand of God, accepting the punishment of our sins. It is the place of blessing. Israel's blessing began there. When they stripped off their ornaments, and sought the Lord outside the camp, they were in the way to a blessing. (Ex. 33) And so, after they had failed in the kingdom, as they had failed in the wilderness, their blessing lay in Babylon as before it lay outside the camp. They must accept the punishment of their sins and go there.
It is thus with us individually. We must be broken in order to be blest. Discipline will keep us for future exaltation, but leave us "base" in this world. It is a "fruitful field" to the soul. But these are terms we do not particularly like. We would rather "bend our roots" towards that which may help us in the world. But that way, which is our own way, will end, as with Zedekiah, in shame and ruin. (See 2 Kings 25) Accepting the judgment of God, submitting under His mighty hand, will end, as with Jehoiachin, in blessing and exaltation.
Such is the parable of the cedar and the two eagles in Ezek. 17. But the close of that chapter, after the parable, must also be looked at. (See Ezek. 17: 22, 24.)
The prophet here looks forward to the Lord Jesus, the Messiah, the cedar of this parable in his day, the heir of the house of David; and this passage presents Him as taking His place as humbled and broken with the nation of Israel or the throne of David, and from thence, according to God, receiving His exaltation and kingdom.
But though broken, this was neither in conscience nor in relationship. He could not have been humbled, or broken, or convicted in conscience (as we are to be), for He was stainless and spotless, with neither corruption within, nor blemish without. He could not have been broken in relationship, as the house of David was, because he was no more federally represented by that fallen house, than as Son of man He was federally represented or headed in Adam. But He was broken in circumstances — for the ends of the glory of God, and the blessing of His people, the Lord Jesus was, by His own will, broken in circumstances. The heir of the throne was a carpenter. The Lord of the earth and its fulness had not where to lay His head. He was "a tender twig," a "low tree," a "dry tree." This is the Jesus of Isaiah 53 of whom it is said, "He shall grow up before him as a tender plant, as a root out of a dry ground; he hath no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see him there is no beauty that we should desire him." But this "tender twig" shall, in due season, be planted, as this passage tells us, "upon an high mountain and eminent." It shall "bring forth boughs and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar, and under it shall dwell all fowls of every wing, in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell."
And this is the millennial Jesus, as the other was the Nazarene Jesus. The "tender twig" of our prophet is the Nazarene Jesus; the "goodly cedar" with its boughs and fruit is the millennial Jesus. But it is the same Jesus who thus vindicates, and illustrates, and glorifies all the thoughts and principles, and truth of God. As the prophet closes this chapter, giving us the moral of the whole action: "And all the trees of the field shall know that I the Lord have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the Lord have spoken and have done it."
And surely this is very much the common moral of all God's dealings with us in this scene of proud revolt. And I may say again, as at the beginning, His discipline preserves us for future blessing and exaltation, but it does not make us great in this present world.
"Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time." But in contrast with this, just for another moment look at the history of another famous tree that was once set in the soil of this world. Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, whom we have seen in this parable as one of the two eagles, was also a celebrated tree. His branch spread in its day, as the branch of this millennial Jesus will do by-and-by in "the world to come." (See Dan. 4) But Nebuchadnezzar had not previously been "a tender twig," a "low tree," a "dry tree." Accordingly, he exalts himself and meets the judgment of God. His leaves are scattered, his fruit shaken off, his branches cut down. He is left as "a stump in the earth." And then, being broken and humbled under God's mighty hand, God blesses, and exalts him, in His own way, at the latter end — that we may again learn God's way, to make us "tender twigs" ere we become "goodly cedars."
"Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time."
I didn't notice that the vine could be a willow...How fitting..a weeping willow.
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 12 2007, 05:30 PM) [snapback]129794[/snapback]
I didn't notice that the vine could be a willow...How fitting..a weeping willow.
Eze 9:4 And Jehovah said unto him, Go through the midst of the city,(the people of God ) through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry over all the abominations that are done in the midst thereof.
Amongst the people of God today, there are those who "sigh and that cry" over the apostasy in the house of the Lord. They are not high and mighty, they are low and are dead to self. They are not the green tree, they are the low tree.Mat 20:27 and whosoever would be first among you shall be your servant:
The wheat bows down when it's ripe...
Look at the types and shadows for the Beast and see how it is actually the spiritual leaders (Apostate )that twisted the arm of the Beast.
Dan 6:7 All the presidents of the kingdom, the deputies and the satraps, the counsellors and the governors, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a strong interdict, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any god or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
then Daniel (type for Christians that will not bow) did not submit to this religious rule.
Notice here HOW the Beast felt:
Dan 6:13 Then answered they (religious leaders) and said before the king, That Daniel, who is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the interdict that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
Dan 6:14 Then the king (Beast), when he heard these words, was sore displeased, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him; and he labored till the going down of the sun to rescue him.
Who sold Joseph to the Beast : His brothers.
Look at Jesus, what happened to the Beast of Jesus's day, when He was sold out by the religious leaders of His day:
Mat 27:22 Pilate saith unto them, What then shall I do unto Jesus who is called Christ? They (the religious leaders) all say, Let him be crucified.
Mat 27:23 And he (The Beast ) said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out exceedingly, saying, Let him be crucified.
Mat 27:24 So when Pilate saw that he prevailed nothing, but rather that a tumult was arising, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this righteous man; see ye to it.
We always see the apostate rising against the true people of God and persecuting them, THEN the Beast gives in and allows them to kill.
Dan 6:7 All the presidents of the kingdom, the deputies and the satraps, the counsellors and the governors, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a strong interdict, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any god or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
then Daniel (type for Christians that will not bow) did not submit to this religious rule.
Notice here HOW the Beast felt:
Dan 6:13 Then answered they (religious leaders) and said before the king, That Daniel, who is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the interdict that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
Dan 6:14 Then the king (Beast), when he heard these words, was sore displeased, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him; and he labored till the going down of the sun to rescue him.
Who sold Joseph to the Beast : His brothers.
Look at Jesus, what happened to the Beast of Jesus's day, when He was sold out by the religious leaders of His day:
Mat 27:22 Pilate saith unto them, What then shall I do unto Jesus who is called Christ? They (the religious leaders) all say, Let him be crucified.
Mat 27:23 And he (The Beast ) said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out exceedingly, saying, Let him be crucified.
Mat 27:24 So when Pilate saw that he prevailed nothing, but rather that a tumult was arising, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this righteous man; see ye to it.
We always see the apostate rising against the true people of God and persecuting them, THEN the Beast gives in and allows them to kill.
Then let's look past the darkened glass and love while there's still time.
Love in many cases consist of blowing the trumpet. If we do not love, we leave those in the fire. If we love, we reach out to them and pull them out.
Have you noticed that sometimes the drowning man fights with the lifeguard?
Have you noticed that sometimes the drowning man fights with the lifeguard?
It's true...good analogy...So perhaps we should know for sure who we are trying to rescue in the frenzy of the splashing water. Who it is that really needs rescuing...I've never had a problem with you C...
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It's true...good analogy...So perhaps we should know for sure who we are trying to rescue in the frenzy of the splashing water. Who it is that really needs rescuing...I've never had a problem with you C...
Miki, thank you
The Lord tells us that He knows that we will disagree, and He adds "until" so there will come a time when we agree. I do not have a problem with you either, you are my sister in the Lord. Christ is in you .The only ones that needs rescuing are those that leave the Word and do not use it to light their path.
Psa 119:105 Nun. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, And light unto my path.
love C
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Love in many cases consist of blowing the trumpet. If we do not love, we leave those in the fire. If we love, we reach out to them and pull them out.
I can relate to this statement with great emotion because I was given a vision last fall (2006) that is exactly what you are talking about. I am going to post it here for others to read.
While I was in a worshipful moment with the Lord, He gave me a vision that was so real and life-changing. I suddenly found myself standing on some sort of elevated platform that was only big enough to stand on. There was no room at all to step around or off of it. I was in the middle of a firepit, with flames all around me, shooting up on all sides. The flames were as tall as my outstretched arms. As I was taking it all in and just beginning to realize I wasn't being burned or consumed by the fire, all of a sudden, I saw hands reaching up through the flames. And then, I heard voices screaming in fear and torment. I reached down for the first hand I saw, and as I did....there were more....and more. I kept grabbing hands...and pulling as hard as I could to get each one up out of the flames. I felt so overwhelmed with the numbers of hands reaching up to be rescued. I started crying (actually physically crying) and kept pulling. I could feel His breaking heart for each lost soul.It was nearly more than I could bear. As those feelings flooded my heart, I was also becoming very keenly aware that I had fallen very lax in leading new souls to the saving Power and Grace of Jesus Christ. I felt very convicted, and as I kept grabbing more and more hands, I confessed my lack soul-winning for the Kingdom. I heard Him say, "Its okay, my child. You will be given the opportunity to reach far more than you ever knew or dreamed was possible."
and it's coming for us all handmaiden...
C...The Lord is my Shepherd...I know he will always keep me from getting mixed up if l humbly seek him.
C...The Lord is my Shepherd...I know he will always keep me from getting mixed up if l humbly seek him.
Miks, when I speak on the forum and I point out that people must have faith in the Word, I am really saying it in general. I am never saying it to anybody in particular. Many on this forum, including you have faith in the Word. You KNOW that Jesus started a good work in you and HE will finish it, so it WILL be to you according to your faith.
However, you must allow me to speak to those who do not yet believe and many do not understand. Many are not in faith nor understanding. God uses people like you and I and many others to teach and bring understanding.Its God's way.
Many years ago, the Lord spoke to me through a prophet, and told me things that only God could have known, plus He spoke this to me: that I am going to go into places where not many would want to go. Places full of "vines" entangled. I know today that I go into the "doctrines of men" . NOT a popular place to walk and break down, because many shout at you, call you names and yet you are called to do it.It is all through the grace of God that I can do this.
I do not do it just on a forum, but I do this where I live and work. Every day. Some react with understanding, some others avoid me, still , I must do it.
We are to "prepare the way of the Lord" .
So sis, I am not preaching to you. I am not preaching to the choir.But I must say what I need to say.
love, as always
your bro
C
However, you must allow me to speak to those who do not yet believe and many do not understand. Many are not in faith nor understanding. God uses people like you and I and many others to teach and bring understanding.Its God's way.
Many years ago, the Lord spoke to me through a prophet, and told me things that only God could have known, plus He spoke this to me: that I am going to go into places where not many would want to go. Places full of "vines" entangled. I know today that I go into the "doctrines of men" . NOT a popular place to walk and break down, because many shout at you, call you names and yet you are called to do it.It is all through the grace of God that I can do this.
I do not do it just on a forum, but I do this where I live and work. Every day. Some react with understanding, some others avoid me, still , I must do it.
We are to "prepare the way of the Lord" .
So sis, I am not preaching to you. I am not preaching to the choir.But I must say what I need to say.
love, as always
your bro
C
Likewise...and l want to encourage others through the example of myself that The Lord Jesus will keep them through the renewing of their mind until fullness is reached.
I want to hear not only with my ears by faith the Red Words of the Lord
but l want to hear through the ears of those who wobble and speak on behalf of them.
I want to hear not only with my ears by faith the Red Words of the Lord
but l want to hear through the ears of those who wobble and speak on behalf of them.
Good, so we are on the same team.
Sometimes I tread on toes, that is part of what I do. God shows me the Golden Calves and they must be grounded up. The religious do not like it when their calves are being touched. But its not up to us, to decide what is good and what is not, God's Word is the Lamp unto our feet. We walk not by sight.
love C
Sometimes I tread on toes, that is part of what I do. God shows me the Golden Calves and they must be grounded up. The religious do not like it when their calves are being touched. But its not up to us, to decide what is good and what is not, God's Word is the Lamp unto our feet. We walk not by sight.
love C
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 12 2007, 11:04 AM) [snapback]129813[/snapback]
The wheat bows down when it's ripe...
Nice pic, Miki.
Anyone know how long the peace talks are supposed to last?
November 26 to when?
November 26 to when?
Officials have said Rice may return to the region in just over a week. But Palestinian officials also said their negotiators may also go to Washington for talks before the Annapolis conference, which is pencilled in for Nov. 26 and 27.
Nov 26, 27
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JERUSALEM, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Palestinian and Israeli negotiators are turning to U.S. mediators to bridge serious gaps in drafting a common approach to peace negotiations, officials on both sides said on Thursday.
A senior Palestinian negotiator told Reuters the two sides sought U.S. intervention on Tuesday after negotiators failed to resolve differences over a document they hope to present at a conference in the coming weeks in Annapolis, Maryland, that aims to set terms for relaunching peace talks.
Another senior Palestinian official said that when the sides disagreed this week over the terms of an earlier understanding that Washington would adjudicate in disputes over whether peace terms had been met, U.S. officials sent both a written text.
Palestinian officials also said the latest talks had shown that any document would be shorter on detail than they hoped.
Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israel's chief negotiator, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, said: "Anyone who thought it would be smooth sailing all the time was deluding himself."
A U.S. diplomatic source said U.S. officials expected to be involved in bridging differences.
Officials on both sides offered differing views on where disagreements lie. The Palestinian negotiator accused Israel of going back on an agreement made with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice earlier this week which, he said, called for U.S. officials to judge whether the sides were taking steps to implement the long-dormant "road map" accords of 2003.
But a senior Israeli official responded: "We agreed on that and there is no change."
ROAD MAP
Israel is unlikely to begin meeting its commitments, notably to rein in Jewish settlement, before the conference, and insists any final peace agreement will depend on Palestinians meeting their road map obligation to ensure Israel's security.
Palestinian leaders say they are already doing that. But Israeli officials are sceptical Palestinians can curb militants any time soon and some have voiced concern that U.S. officials, under pressure to show progress before President George W. Bush steps down in January 2009, might conclude otherwise.
"The Americans ... will play a role in bridging the gaps," the senior Palestinian negotiator said.
A senior Israeli official said: "The likelihood us and the Palestinians will be able to complete a joint statement by the end of the month is not very high. It is actually quite low."
Noting that "the Americans have a big interest" in there being agreement at Annapolis, he said U.S. officials would have to step in to help: "Clearly, they will have to do it."
Officials have said Rice may return to the region in just over a week. But Palestinian officials also said their negotiators may also go to Washington for talks before the Annapolis conference, which is pencilled in for Nov. 26 and 27.
Rice and Bush have said they hope a peace deal can be reached before the U.S. administration ends in just over a year.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been pushing for a firm deadline for reaching a deal next year. But Israel insists any deal must be conditional on a guarantee of its security.
"We believe the Israelis want a veto over implementation of the peace treaty," the senior Palestinian negotiator said.
He said the timeline issue has not been agreed "but the Americans told us they are looking at a flexible target date that would not exceed the end of Bush's term." (Additional reporting by Adam Entous)
Nov 26, 27
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JERUSALEM, Nov 8 (Reuters) - Palestinian and Israeli negotiators are turning to U.S. mediators to bridge serious gaps in drafting a common approach to peace negotiations, officials on both sides said on Thursday.
A senior Palestinian negotiator told Reuters the two sides sought U.S. intervention on Tuesday after negotiators failed to resolve differences over a document they hope to present at a conference in the coming weeks in Annapolis, Maryland, that aims to set terms for relaunching peace talks.
Another senior Palestinian official said that when the sides disagreed this week over the terms of an earlier understanding that Washington would adjudicate in disputes over whether peace terms had been met, U.S. officials sent both a written text.
Palestinian officials also said the latest talks had shown that any document would be shorter on detail than they hoped.
Mark Regev, a spokesman for Israel's chief negotiator, Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, said: "Anyone who thought it would be smooth sailing all the time was deluding himself."
A U.S. diplomatic source said U.S. officials expected to be involved in bridging differences.
Officials on both sides offered differing views on where disagreements lie. The Palestinian negotiator accused Israel of going back on an agreement made with U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice earlier this week which, he said, called for U.S. officials to judge whether the sides were taking steps to implement the long-dormant "road map" accords of 2003.
But a senior Israeli official responded: "We agreed on that and there is no change."
ROAD MAP
Israel is unlikely to begin meeting its commitments, notably to rein in Jewish settlement, before the conference, and insists any final peace agreement will depend on Palestinians meeting their road map obligation to ensure Israel's security.
Palestinian leaders say they are already doing that. But Israeli officials are sceptical Palestinians can curb militants any time soon and some have voiced concern that U.S. officials, under pressure to show progress before President George W. Bush steps down in January 2009, might conclude otherwise.
"The Americans ... will play a role in bridging the gaps," the senior Palestinian negotiator said.
A senior Israeli official said: "The likelihood us and the Palestinians will be able to complete a joint statement by the end of the month is not very high. It is actually quite low."
Noting that "the Americans have a big interest" in there being agreement at Annapolis, he said U.S. officials would have to step in to help: "Clearly, they will have to do it."
Officials have said Rice may return to the region in just over a week. But Palestinian officials also said their negotiators may also go to Washington for talks before the Annapolis conference, which is pencilled in for Nov. 26 and 27.
Rice and Bush have said they hope a peace deal can be reached before the U.S. administration ends in just over a year.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has been pushing for a firm deadline for reaching a deal next year. But Israel insists any deal must be conditional on a guarantee of its security.
"We believe the Israelis want a veto over implementation of the peace treaty," the senior Palestinian negotiator said.
He said the timeline issue has not been agreed "but the Americans told us they are looking at a flexible target date that would not exceed the end of Bush's term." (Additional reporting by Adam Entous)
Shekel we always have "The Celebration Dinner" at our church the first week of December...
I remember when God used it before during a storm here in the NW when we lost power...
It's on the forum. God used it other times as well..Each year l wonder if he will speak again?
I remember when God used it before during a storm here in the NW when we lost power...
It's on the forum. God used it other times as well..Each year l wonder if he will speak again?
Olmert said secretly bartering with PLO on Jerusalem
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Printer-friendly version By Stan Goodenough
February 13, 2008
The Israeli government has been hammered with a succession of reports in the local press this week charging that it is secretly negotiating over the future of Jerusalem with leaders in the terrorist Palestine Liberation Organization.
According to investigations carried out by journalists at The Jerusalem Post, the back channel discussions are taking place in tandem with the official talks that have been spurred along under pressure from the United States.
While the official talks are said to be making little progress, the secret discussions are dealing with the de facto division of Jerusalem, with Arab claims to property on both eastern and western sides of the city being put forward.
PLO/PA official Hatem Abdel Qader was quoted in the Post Wednesday as saying that the question of Jerusalem is both "on the table and under the table."
Jerusalem is Israel's 3,000-year-old capital which, after nearly two millennia under gentile rule, was restored to Jewish control by the Six Day War, 40 years ago last year, in what was seen by most Jews and many millions of Christians as a miraculous answer to unbroken centuries of prayer.
During the first decades after 1967, Israeli leaders repeatedly vowed that Jerusalem would henceforth be Israel's "eternal and indivisible capital."
Subjected to, on the one hand, unyielding demands backed by unrelenting terrorism from the Arabs, and on the other, by intense diplomatic pressure from a world unwilling to stand up to the Arab states, that position has slowly been whittled away until today there are elected Jewish lawmakers who speak openly about the "need" to surrender parts of the capital once again.
Since 1992, those in Israel's governments who have opted to go along with the land-for-peace process have resorted to holding secret negotiations in parallel with open talks, the latter diverting public and media attention while the former deal with the "taboo" or "core" issues.
In this way the 1993 Oslo Agreement was reached - the Israeli negotiators actually breaking the laws of their own land which prohibited meetings with the PLO.
Back channel proponents argue that these "core issues" - like Jerusalem, refugees, borders, water - are far too sensitive to talk about openly, and any government (or PLO-leadership, were it sincere) that tried to negotiate over these would be toppled or in some way be forced to stop.
Writing in the latest issue of the Israel Journal of Foreign Affairs, a former director-general of the Israeli foreign ministry, David Kimche, argues that such clandestine talks are "the only way that progress can be made towards an end-of-conflict agreement."
The results of this approach to peace-making in the Middle East - where elitist leaders reach and try to impose "solutions" not agreed to in the transparent environment of official talks - backfired with Oslo, which instead of bringing peace unleashed the worst terrorism-inflicted bloodshed in the 60-year-history of the Jewish state.
................................................benny
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Printer-friendly version By Stan Goodenough
February 13, 2008
The Israeli government has been hammered with a succession of reports in the local press this week charging that it is secretly negotiating over the future of Jerusalem with leaders in the terrorist Palestine Liberation Organization.
According to investigations carried out by journalists at The Jerusalem Post, the back channel discussions are taking place in tandem with the official talks that have been spurred along under pressure from the United States.
While the official talks are said to be making little progress, the secret discussions are dealing with the de facto division of Jerusalem, with Arab claims to property on both eastern and western sides of the city being put forward.
PLO/PA official Hatem Abdel Qader was quoted in the Post Wednesday as saying that the question of Jerusalem is both "on the table and under the table."
Jerusalem is Israel's 3,000-year-old capital which, after nearly two millennia under gentile rule, was restored to Jewish control by the Six Day War, 40 years ago last year, in what was seen by most Jews and many millions of Christians as a miraculous answer to unbroken centuries of prayer.
During the first decades after 1967, Israeli leaders repeatedly vowed that Jerusalem would henceforth be Israel's "eternal and indivisible capital."
Subjected to, on the one hand, unyielding demands backed by unrelenting terrorism from the Arabs, and on the other, by intense diplomatic pressure from a world unwilling to stand up to the Arab states, that position has slowly been whittled away until today there are elected Jewish lawmakers who speak openly about the "need" to surrender parts of the capital once again.
Since 1992, those in Israel's governments who have opted to go along with the land-for-peace process have resorted to holding secret negotiations in parallel with open talks, the latter diverting public and media attention while the former deal with the "taboo" or "core" issues.
In this way the 1993 Oslo Agreement was reached - the Israeli negotiators actually breaking the laws of their own land which prohibited meetings with the PLO.
Back channel proponents argue that these "core issues" - like Jerusalem, refugees, borders, water - are far too sensitive to talk about openly, and any government (or PLO-leadership, were it sincere) that tried to negotiate over these would be toppled or in some way be forced to stop.
Writing in the latest issue of the Israel Journal of Foreign Affairs, a former director-general of the Israeli foreign ministry, David Kimche, argues that such clandestine talks are "the only way that progress can be made towards an end-of-conflict agreement."
The results of this approach to peace-making in the Middle East - where elitist leaders reach and try to impose "solutions" not agreed to in the transparent environment of official talks - backfired with Oslo, which instead of bringing peace unleashed the worst terrorism-inflicted bloodshed in the 60-year-history of the Jewish state.
................................................benny
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