Okay,

So alot of places on the internet are saying he is a 33rd degree mason. I didn't just stop at one website but kept researching and researching saying "no way" the whole time.

It even came to the point of where someone wrote him a letter directly. The answer they received was let's just say less than exact which was very odd to me indeed.

I know what your thinking, "don't believe everything you hear" or in this case read. But you really can't use that argument I think as that is like a nonbeliever telling you "don't believe everything YOU read" for example in the bible.

I am praising G-d for this board, specifically this thread section as people are not afraid to tackle the tough questions. No I don't put Billy Graham on a pedestal. Or is this the time old ploy of satan to make even the most honorable of people to look like liars?

Thanks again for being my brothers and sisters that are not afraid to deal with tough and dark questions .

Oh and be ready for some real shockers, but I need answers from my Christian brothers on these things, otherwise I have to rely upon myself and the internet, both of which sometimes can be unreliable hehe.

i don't know about graham...........but some of my friends and relatives are Masons............they seem OK...........some treated me good.............but, i think the mason thing is a anti-christian religion.

jesus said to "let your light shine before men,
a lighted city on a hill cannot be hid,
no-one lights a lamp and hides the lamp under a basket.........they put the lamp on the lamp-stand, so that every person in the home can enjoy the Light"

so, Jesus was transparent............this Thing was not done in a corner (in secret)..............yet the Masons and Shriners meet in secret, locked rooms, with no windows,....and they're sworn to death to EVER CONCEAL, NEVER TO REVEAL.

Masonic is not compatible with the Gospel

the name of the Masonic god is GAOTU.............GREAT ARCHITECT OF THE UNIVERSE..........the masons are forbidden to use a specific name of any other specific deity in Masonic meetings, such as Jesus.

i've heard Dave Hunt say that their Crusade counselors are trained to send ex-Catholics back to their RCC Churches,,,,,,,,,,and Graham has endorsed the RCC religion as being correct.
Graham is wrong about this, and he knows that he's wrong.

Oh boy!!! This is a big mass. I dont dought that he may be one of them, but really there are many of the religious types like this guy have things in there ways that are against the word of G-d. The thing is not to but them so high high up that they cant be human. Point is we need to pray for them.

Very true, it is just astounding to hear about one of the most revered Christians of all time having satanic beliefs at his foundation. Shocking!

Just wanted to see if anyone else had done some research on this.

Thanks for the responses.

I believe the Pharisees with their "traditions of the elders" are the ancestors of Masonry. They rewrote the O.T. giving it their own interpretation, like "second-guessing" God! and this is why Jesus condemned them so!

It was when I was reading an article on the Pharisees that God gave me a vision of Hell...

According to Bill Schnoebelen (check his name on youtube), a former Freemason and now born again Christian, when he had to repent of Freemasonry, he felt a bigger weight lift off his shoulders as when he had to repent from witchcraft!

... Think about that!

Jesus and His followers constantly clashed with these very unsympathetic people and Pharisees is mentioned more in the N.T. than... Satan!

Yesterday, I watched on youtube Sid Roth (type "Sid Roth"); he had a guest, a Jewish singer named Aviad Cohen (go check the video); who got involved with the Chabad and he was curious about the Bible. The Chabad placed a pile of books on top of the Bible, telling Aviad these books were more important than the Bible, and whe he asked them about Jesus, they were angry!
Thank GOd, he finally left them and is now born again!

I'm familiar with the claim that Billy Graham is a Freemason. Freemasonry is definitely un-Christian, although a lot of nice guys participate and don't realize that they are on the primrose path.

I can't say what is in Billy Graham's heart as to whether he is merely deceived or if he knows better, but on page seven or eight of his book entitled, Angels: God's Secret Agents, he suggests a connection between the UFO phenomenon and Biblical angels. I am of the school that UFOs are fallen angels in a friendly disguise. Billy Graham introduced the connection between UFOs and angels without condemning the former as the satanic deception that they are. I pray that Billy Graham is simply deceived rather than deliberately leading anyone astray. Moreover, I pray that he would get undeceived as soon as possible.

I have never paid any attention to much of anything he has said, since even before I accepted Jesus Christ, Billy Graham made my schmuck-radar go off. I can't say that he is in fact a schmuck, but has always been something about him that has bothered me that I can't put my finger on. Of course, what do I, a mere mortal, know about anyone else's soul? The only thing I know is that UFOs aren't our friends, although Graham suggests the possibility that they might be.

I must have missed the part where freemasonry is automatically antichrist. Is this just a preconceived notion in many people, or has this been thoroughly researched by those who hold this idea?

Anyone that is for a worldly unification of religions is dangerous, Jesus said I am the way, not a combination of Jesus, Budda, hindu, Muslim, etc........don't be suckered by good intentions.

One day, as I was meditating about the Freemason, God gave me these two verses:

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
1 Peter 2:9-10

And I heard another voice from Heaven, saying, Come out of her [Babylon], my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Revelation 18:4

Here (with Billy Graham) we have clearly "a people of God" (born again) holding one of his feet in Babylon!
God is telling His people to step out of her (all mystery religions and/other [false] religions ARE Babylon!

Since most countries are now religiously free, where shall we live, then? If we can not ever be a part of anything that involves a non-Christian, where shall we live, exercise, go to school, or shop for bulk items?

B.K. It ain't where you live that's the problem, God has people all over the world, it's what you are apart of spiritually. If your relationship with God, is through a church that is committing adultery with the kings of the earth, meaning it's leaders are setting themselves in the seat of God, expressing power through the means of man, or are fellowshipping with others that are doing that, then you need to Come out of her. Babylon in Revelations isn't a literal country, it's a representation of false religion. God is most upset about christians that are involved in that type of thing, more so than false pagan religions. The Church is supposed to remain pure, to be the bride for Christ, not be having other relations going on. The false pagan religions, have condemned themselves already by not believing on the only begotten Son of God, as it says in John 3:17-18.

Billy Graham is waving the banner for the Catholic church at all times. I don't know if you guys are fans of Jack Chick's tracts or not but have a looksy at this; Jack Chick publications I'm not particularly shocked, he's been in this love the people in, don't bother preaching against sin for a long time!

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. I'm not quite used to reading metaphorically. I'm a literal kind of guy.

Anyone who is a freemason is evil because ________________.

If you could fill in the blank for me as candidly as possible, it may help me understand. This is me truly asking these questions because I desire to become as close to the truth as a man can get. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to fill in a couple more related blanks, again, as candidly as possible.

We agree that one person must accept Christ, and if they don't they are condemned. We can hold this standard to large groups of people (like freemasons, the United States, or people who read x fiction novel) at once (rather than each person individually) because _________________.

We know for certain that Revelation's Babylon isn't a real country because _________________.

________________ are the churches that are "committing adultery". ____________ are the "kings of the earth". We know this for certain because _________________.

Again, I just don't get the whole metaphor thing to easily. I would understand much more clearly if you wouldn't mind taking a moment to give me candid answers.

Thank you

Thank you for your response, Mouser. Could you cite for me, please, the warning about the secret society? Also, I still don't understand the idea of condemning an entire group of people instead of taking each person individually. You seem to be saying that it's not possible for a person to believe and receive Christ and be part of an organization that meets in secret, or an organization that allows people from different faiths to come in. I don't know a single organization in the US that doesn't allow people of different faiths to come in. Are all organizations, then, evil?

I have nothing against the man. But I'm just sharing what I have been led to understand from God. That Billy Graham will pass away this year, 2008.
http://www.isawthelightministries.com/2008.html
God Bless.
I will not be receiving replies. I've not come to debate but to share. Thanks.

Jesus says not to have anything to do with fruitless deeds of darkness.



The same as the above.



I believe so. The church organizations are busy being popular and politically correct and they dont seem to be interested in serving Jesus seriously. Thats why Jesus tells us to come out of Babylon. We can serve God without joining any organization. All you have to do is read the Bible and obey God. If you dont know how to serve God, the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). Those books are perfect for learning how to serve Jesus.

May God bless you as you serve Jesus with all your might.

Billy got rich and lived lavishly with the beast in the name of the Lord. What does it matter if he was a mason?


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I agree. God's people should not be rich using Jesus' name.

damo7



so typical ginger cat please dont run this man down how many souls have you one into the kingdom ginger cat ? and wher is your proof ginger cat if you can leave this hear in this post i would like to see some hard proof and dont go by what has been said so far in this topic people can speak freeley but i have not seen any hard proof by what has been said in this post when it comes to billy graham so what god blessed him what is wrong with this ginger cat

oh weight ginger cat is strugling to pay her bills she cant get bibles sent out to were they are needed to be sent out ginger cat finds it hard to let go becaus she has been let down by jahova wittness and a pastor who tried his hardest to help her ginger cat hates gods people who serve in the army and in the navy and those who work for the goverment ginger cat only reads what jesus has said in all the gospels and avoids studying her bible she wil not listen to what paul says she wil not listen to what matthew mark luke peter jude and james have to say she feels its wrong for a new christian to go over the old testament and will bring other brethren down becaus no one listens to her ginger cat feels she is in the lions den just like daniel



i can tel you how many i have one over but you wil just see me as a heathen and you call your self a true christian

i would like to see some hard proof that billy graham is a mason ginger cat


i have heard this man preach and what i saw was not what i have read hear in this topic all this topic is doing is bringing billy graham down he does not waste his time on line billy graham does not bring other denominations down he walks in unity with his brothers and his sisters in the lord ginger cat


can you do this ginger cat walk in unity with those you hate who stick to good bible believing churches


by from damo

I believe George Washington was a mason. Perhaps this exert from the Final quest book is helpful. ?


“You have asked for My grace, and you shall have it.

The first grace that will keep you on the path of life is to know the level of your present deception.

Deception involves anything that you do not understand as I do.

Knowing the level of your present deception brings humility, and I give My grace to the humble.

“That is why I said, ‘Who is so blind but My servant. . .

‘And that is why I told the Pharisees, ‘it is for judgment that I came into the world. . .

to give sight to those who do not see, and to make blind those who see . . .

If you were blind you would not be guilty, but because you claim to see, your guilt remains.’

That is also why My light struck Paul blind when I called him.

My light only revealed his true condition.

Like him, you must be struck blind in the natural so that you can see by My Spirit.”

“My church is now clothed with shame because she does not have judges. She does not have judges because she does not know Me as the Judge. I will now raise up judges for My people who know My judgment. They will not only decide between people or issues; they will make things right, which means bringing them into agreement with Me.
“When I appeared to Joshua as the Captain of the Host, I declared that I was neither for him nor his enemies. I never come to take sides. When I come, it is to take over—not to take sides. I appeared as the Captain of the Host before Israel could enter her Promised Land.

The church is now about to enter her Promised Land, and I am again about to appear as the Captain of the Host. When I do, I will remove all who have been forcing My people to take sides against their brothers.


"Do not try to teach others to do what you are doing yourself. Reformation is not just a doctrine.

True reformation only comes from union with the Savior.

When you are yoked with Christ, carrying the burdens that He gives you, He will be with you and carry them for you.

You can only do His work when you are doing it with Him, not just for Him.

Only the Spirit can beget that which is Spirit.

If you are yoked with Him you will do nothing for the sake of politics or history.

Anything that you do because of political pressures, or opportunities, will only lead you to the end of your true ministry.

The things that are done for the sake of trying to make history will at best doom your accomplishments to history, and you will fail to impact eternity.

damo7




all you are going by is what you have heard and i can tell you its rubbish show real hard evidance if you cant back up what has been said in this topic about billy graham dont hide behind the scripture passages you are comfterbal with we can play all day its like chess you make one move i make another move


billy graham is a faith full servant off the lord he does not come on line he does not run other christians down billy graham does not judge the christians serving in the army and in the navy billy graham has not said all christians serving in the armed forces will go to hell

two lodges in america decided to bring billy graham down why he spoke out and said those who are free masonarys are living in sin so the two lodges decided to get back at him


1 timothy 4

1 But the spirit saith expressly that in later times some shall fall away from the faith giving heed to saducing spirits and doctrines of devils


2 through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron


6 if thou put the brethren in mind of thee things thou shalt be a good minister of christ jesus nourished in the words of the faith and of the good doctrine which thou has followed until now

7 but refuse profane and old wives fables and exercise thyself unto godliness



god bless from damo

I also don't have any physical proof about Billy Graham. I just wish to ask you one question and that is: Why would a person that is 100% sold out for Jesus kiss the hand of the pope and kiss the quaran publicly?

May I present some more info and then assume an answer. Did you know that Rodney Howard Brown, Kenneth Copeland, Jessy du Plantis, Benny Hinn and many other mega preachers are supposed freemasons trained by the Jesuit Order. Trained for what purpose? To unite the world into accepting the Universal Jesus under the control of the One World Order's One World Religion. To kiss the quaran publicly means the acceptance of the teachings of Islam and its a message to christians to follow his example.

So what does freemasons believe? Figure this out and the puzzle will become a pictue.

Have fun

I personally attest to seeing Billy Graham's name listed on the List of Famous Freemasons website several years ago. His PR people had his name removed from the roster after it had begun to attract negative attention. Billy Graham became a 33rd degree (which is an honorary degree) Freemason because of his willing participation with the Jesuit agenda.

"A most notorious agent for the Black Pope among Protestants and Baptists was one of America’s greatest evangelical traitors, the 33rd Degree Freemason, “Reverend” Billy Graham. Graham, that Protestant darling of the Jesuits, was affiliated with the priests of Rome in leading both Roman Catholic and Protestant Americans against a common enemy in the earlier days of his most deceptive “ministry.” That enemy was “Communism,” declaredly an open enemy of the Papacy, but bought and paid for by the banks on Wall Street (including the “New Age” Chase Manhattan Bank)—according to the epic works of Anthony Sutton—, which tightly knit commercial colossus was, both then and now, controlled by the Pope’s American Branch of the Knights of Malta (such as the late SMOM Joseph J. Larkin and CFR member SMOM Martin F. Shea), headquartered in “the Powerhouse,” New York City’s St Patrick’s Cathedral. (One such Knight of Malta was America’s Press lord and CFR member Henry R. Luce, an original financial backer of Billy Graham and accomplice in Cardinal Spellman’s JFK assassination.) It was this same Billy Graham, who, while in a secretly recorded conversation with President Richard Nixon, blamed the Jews for the manipulation of what is in fact the Pope’s CFR/Rockefeller-controlled, Masonic (Jew and Gentile) national Press. This is the same tactic as was employed by the Order’s Masonic Adolf Hitler in justifying the rise of the Bavarian Roman Catholic Nazi Party and its resultant, priest-led, Eurasian Jewish, Orthodox and Protestant Holocausts. Evidenced by his works, Graham was also used by the Order to attack the ex-Jesuit turned Bible-believer and evangelist to Roman Catholics, anti-Masonic Alberto Rivera. Graham used his notable periodical, Christianity Today, to launch that attack, which magazine at this moment is clearly in the ecumenical “lap of Rome.” (For a most complete exposure of Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor and Freemason Billy Graham, we cannot overly recommend Cathy Burns’ epic work, Billy Graham and His Friends: A Hidden Agenda? (2002).)"

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/cumbey.htm


INITIAL LIST OF 33RD DEGREE MASONS:
(Billy Graham)
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/33rd.htm


ALSO:
...In closing, O'Reilly provided the following comments about Billy Graham's loyalty to the Vatican and the Jesuit Order, his goal to lure Protestants to the Pope.
"The Bible Believer's Bulletin reported in January 1991, in an article entitled Indecision in the Hour of Decision that a man named Harmon Taylor of Hart Ministries wrote to Dr. Graham three times early in 1990, asking him if he was or had ever been a Mason, or a 33rd Degree Mason. "Taylor received no reply to his letters and Dr. Ruckman commented that this was 'a little indecisive' on Dr Graham's part, insofar as surely any man in American could have answered the questions immediately in plain language. Billy's refusal to answer certainly raises more questions. "In Smokescreens, by Jack Chick, he reveals, p 53, how the Catholic publisher Randolph Hearst used his newspapers to push Graham as a leading evangelist but one who would never attack Rome. Dr. Rivera, ibid, described to Bro. Chick how from 1950 onwards, the Jesuits filled the stadiums in Central and South America with Catholics to boost the Church's power, win back genuine converts who had left Catholicism, thus destroying bible-believing churches in the region and ensure Graham's continued cooperation.

"Rome spent millions of dollars promoting Graham, who would in turn promote the late John Paul II, as the world's greatest moral leader and declare, on Vatican advice, that Communist Russia exercised religious freedom, thereby betraying persecuted believers who were getting sentences of 5-10 years for passing out a single tract.

"The above appears to show the link between the masons and the SJ (Society of Jesu -Jesuits) and underlines the importance of Jude 3:

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

"Chick is right when he declared Billy Graham to be the pied piper of the whore of Revelation who lured Protestants back to the pope."

http://www.illuminati-news.com/062506b.htm


ALSO this was discussed in the following thread:

Jesuit General In Control, Worshippers of Lucifer

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...17737&st=49