Surfing around today I was on some christian internet pages and what I saw there made me a little ill.

The question was, who was JESUS CHRIST.

Even if one says the Son of God not everything is clear.

So my simple question is:

Was JESUS CHRIST before Abraham or not?

So what is your believing?

No, the Word of God was before Abraham, Jesus came after Abraham, and he was the first person who only spoke the Word of God - and God proclaimed him as his son (Adam II) "God with us" - a new pure creation with a mind of his own, but pure before God so that God and Jesus could see eachother.

You see - nobody ever saw God after Man had sinned - the only thing we have is the WORD - and when we recieve the Holy Spirit and have read the Word of God - and those words live in us and by that we follow the commandments, all 12 - and we do not break them - and we also speak the true word of God, which Jesus calls his brothers, sisters and mother - meaning Gods children. - Jesus knew how the father looked like - because he was made pure from the beginning.

God was before his word
his word was before the beginning.
and the beginning was a word
and we live in a word (latin: universe = uni+verse = Single Spoken Sentence)
and the Word of God became flesh (Adam) and God reduced Adam by 2 (Eve)
And the game was on.

As far as I am concerned - I Worship the man behind everything - the one behind the screen - he who created everything we know and who knows everything - God, Yahve Elohim.

And by the death of Yeshua Immanuel - God, Yahve Elohim made Yeshua the King of the spoken word (universe) - and by his death, the death of Adam has been erased - and we can once again come close to God, knowing our sins have been erased.

So rest asure - The word of God was before Abraham - the Living Word was after Abraham - buth they are both the same word.

Love you man.

In christ
Togarma

hitachi...

Jesus said in John 8:58 "Before Abraham, I AM." This statement is refers to a Name of the Lord- given in Exodus 3:14.

So, the short answer is yes.

Correct....good post.

John 1:1-18
1 In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn’t make. 4 Life itself was in him, and this life gives light to everyone. 5 The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.
6 God sent John the Baptist 7 to tell everyone about the light so that everyone might believe because of his testimony. 8 John himself was not the light; he was only a witness to the light. 9 The one who is the true light, who gives light to everyone, was going to come into the world.
10 But although the world was made through him, the world didn’t recognize him when he came. 11 Even in his own land and among his own people, he was not accepted. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God. 13 They are reborn! This is not a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan—this rebirth comes from God.
14 So the Word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness.* And we have seen his glory, the glory of the only Son of the Father.
15 John pointed him out to the people. He shouted to the crowds, “This is the one I was talking about when I said, ‘Someone is coming who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before I did.’”
16 We have all benefited from the rich blessings he brought to us—one gracious blessing after another.* 17 For the law was given through Moses; God’s unfailing love and faithfulness came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God. But his only Son, who is himself God,* is near to the Father’s heart; he has told us about him

Colossians 1:9-17
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; 10 that ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; 11 strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; 12 giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.