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wateredtree

Jul 18 2008, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE (wateredtree @ Jul 16 2008, 10:28 AM)

How do we know that the two witnessess are not both individuals and a coorporate body of believers? Abraham was given the promise that God would make him into a great and mighty nation. Was Abraham by himself a great and mighty nation? No, so how do we know that the two olive trees are not individuals who spiritually reproduce into a corporate "great and mighty olive tree"? This would allow the two olive trees to die as two individuals but not take away from the meaning of candlestick and olive tree. Remember if they are olive trees they will produce much fruit and they will have many branches. Are the branches and fruit a part of them or are they an extension as in the case of Abraham?

Corporate was invented by the devil and should never be used while talking about anything Holy.

The Two individual prophets of the Lord will impart faith to the end time saints after they have gotten the great tribulation underway.

From the beginning of their ministry Good men of God will follow them out of the churches that reject them and the camps of the Lord will start to form from there.

If you look up corporate in the dictionary it does not have to mean a corporation it can simply mean a group of people that are united. That is all I meant by using that word. and those people that follow them would be what I am referring to.

You are missing the point. It does mean corporation. It's roots are in corporation.

It was invented and used for and by the corporate bodies of corporations everywhere.

It is just a mater of fact that the corporate body belongs to satan.

The body of Christ has nothing to do with incorporating or corporate or corporations.

It will come to pass that the use of that term and many satanic things, which are done in the Lord's name, will be eliminated when the Lords witnesses come to begin the purging of the alloy of the nations out of the Lord's people.

Ok, i guess we just do not agree, because I do not believe corporations are evil in and of themselves.

They are! Judgment is coming to destroy every nation and all of their armies. It doesn't mater what anyone believes they can't stop the Wrath of God from coming. Everyones false Christ will fall out of heaven when it comes.

18 "You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever." ' "

1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.

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I am not saying that judgment is not coming. We know that the scriptures teach that. I am just saying that not all corporations are evil. Some are, some are not and most have a mixture. When God judges, it will be to cause people to repent and turn to Him and we need to pray that all people turn to the LORD and find Him. I am sure we agree on that. That is the most important thing.

I can tell that you feel strongly about your stance on corporations being evil and I feel strongly about my stance, so there is not any point in discussing it further.

Thank you for your thoughts though.

Dan

Jul 20 2008, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (wateredtree @ Jul 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

I am not saying that judgment is not coming. We know that the scriptures teach that. I am just saying that not all corporations are evil. Some are, some are not and most have a mixture. When God judges, it will be to cause people to repent and turn to Him and we need to pray that all people turn to the LORD and find Him. I am sure we agree on that. That is the most important thing.

I can tell that you feel strongly about your stance on corporations being evil and I feel strongly about my stance, so there is not any point in discussing it further.

Thank you for your thoughts though.

If it is going to be destroyed by the lord at His return. What good was it? No Good at all.

If you did a study of what is going to be in the Kingdom. You would be amazed.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

1 Corinthians 3
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

friend

Jul 20 2008, 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Dude @ Jul 20 2008, 10:37 AM)

QUOTE (wateredtree @ Jul 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

I am not saying that judgment is not coming. We know that the scriptures teach that. I am just saying that not all corporations are evil. Some are, some are not and most have a mixture. When God judges, it will be to cause people to repent and turn to Him and we need to pray that all people turn to the LORD and find Him. I am sure we agree on that. That is the most important thing.

I can tell that you feel strongly about your stance on corporations being evil and I feel strongly about my stance, so there is not any point in discussing it further.

Thank you for your thoughts though.

If it is going to be destroyed by the lord at His return. What good was it? No Good at all.

If you did a study of what is going to be in the Kingdom. You would be amazed.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

1 Corinthians 3
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I've read many scriptures that are available to us to grasp a little more. What you have posted is of the events circling the end of the Age of Man.

We will be tested to prove our faith is genuine to Our Lord. Which for me goes with ICor 3:15 if anyones work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, through the fire.

The Day of pruning is fast approaching, let us all hold tight to that which we profess. And trust our Lord to see us through into the kingdom of God here on earth to receive the Crown of Life. Amen

Friend

Dan

Jul 21 2008, 03:49 PM

QUOTE (friend @ Jul 20 2008, 03:31 PM)

QUOTE (Dude @ Jul 20 2008, 10:37 AM)

QUOTE (wateredtree @ Jul 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

I am not saying that judgment is not coming. We know that the scriptures teach that. I am just saying that not all corporations are evil. Some are, some are not and most have a mixture. When God judges, it will be to cause people to repent and turn to Him and we need to pray that all people turn to the LORD and find Him. I am sure we agree on that. That is the most important thing.

I can tell that you feel strongly about your stance on corporations being evil and I feel strongly about my stance, so there is not any point in discussing it further.

Thank you for your thoughts though.

If it is going to be destroyed by the lord at His return. What good was it? No Good at all.

If you did a study of what is going to be in the Kingdom. You would be amazed.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

1 Corinthians 3
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I've read many scriptures that are available to us to grasp a little more. What you have posted is of the events circling the end of the Age of Man.

We will be tested to prove our faith is genuine to Our Lord. Which for me goes with ICor 3:15 if anyones work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, through the fire.

The Day of pruning is fast approaching, let us all hold tight to that which we profess. And trust our Lord to see us through into the kingdom of God here on earth to receive the Crown of Life. Amen

Friend

Amen Friend

wateredtree

Jul 24 2008, 12:19 AM

QUOTE (friend @ Jul 20 2008, 01:31 PM)

QUOTE (Dude @ Jul 20 2008, 10:37 AM)

QUOTE (wateredtree @ Jul 18 2008, 05:26 PM)

I am not saying that judgment is not coming. We know that the scriptures teach that. I am just saying that not all corporations are evil. Some are, some are not and most have a mixture. When God judges, it will be to cause people to repent and turn to Him and we need to pray that all people turn to the LORD and find Him. I am sure we agree on that. That is the most important thing.

I can tell that you feel strongly about your stance on corporations being evil and I feel strongly about my stance, so there is not any point in discussing it further.

Thank you for your thoughts though.

If it is going to be destroyed by the lord at His return. What good was it? No Good at all.

If you did a study of what is going to be in the Kingdom. You would be amazed.

Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

1 Corinthians 3
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

I've read many scriptures that are available to us to grasp a little more. What you have posted is of the events circling the end of the Age of Man.

We will be tested to prove our faith is genuine to Our Lord. Which for me goes with ICor 3:15 if anyones work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, through the fire.

The Day of pruning is fast approaching, let us all hold tight to that which we profess. And trust our Lord to see us through into the kingdom of God here on earth to receive the Crown of Life. Amen

Friend

I guess I do not understand what you two are saying. I mean when I think of a corporation I think of the individuals within it, some know the LORD some do not. Some have the correct foundation, some do not. Most churches are incorporated, most Christian organizations that feed the hungry, visit the prisioner etc. are corporations. Do you think they are all evil and that their foundation is not in Christ? I beg to differ on that if that is what is being said. Otherwise we may just have a misunderstanding. I will not have internet access for almost two weeks so I will check back with what you said later.

Take care and blessings to you.

allshookup

Sep 11 2008, 02:13 AM

im not saying im in unity with anyone or either but im saying that it is in the bible where it says. that we are gods. here is Jesus reffering to it.

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods" '?

allshookup

Sep 11 2008, 02:17 AM

i am often suprised how a direct specific question that is so simple gets off track and blown way out of any recognition. i have yet to see more than 1 or 2 or 3 who even first believe what the thread was started on and few who have stated that or answered the questions.

Jerrarose

Sep 11 2008, 08:59 AM

The two witnesses will be two men.

There are a couple of similies that make this my stance:

One is Moses and AAron - They were two men sent to be witnesses to Pharoah; they were two men, not a corporate body. The style of the two witnesses is EXACTLY that of Moses and AAron... they have power over plagues, over rain. It is the same picture, two men sent to the 'world' to witness of the Father and RECOVER the lost.

The other is this scripture; it is THE picture of the two witnesses.

And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that [was] upon him, and gave [it] unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, [that], when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease. But there remained two [of the] men in the camp, the name of the one [was] Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they [were] of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle:and they prophesied in the camp.

Also, when the Lord sent the seventy two-by-two in any one place there were only TWO MEN.

Tophet

Sep 11 2008, 11:16 AM

'male and female he created them'

MMarc

Sep 11 2008, 11:36 AM

Let's look at them this way.

Jesus returns with clouds....

3 things come out of a cloud, rain witch on many people. (Corporate body who are like the witnesses).

Lightning falls in a specific place, (the resurrected souls of Moises and Elijah.) the two physcal witnesses.

Thunder this is what clouds do when they "speak", "and fire shall proceed from their mouth".

3.5 days could mean 3.5 prophetic days. As Moises walked the earth 3500 years ago.

And ever since the saints including Moises were persecuted by the world until now.

So we can {{see}} you could look at it from different sides.

The body of Christ is a corporate body.

And He too returns in a cloud, like rain former and latter rains, and He returns like lightning, as He suddenly comes into His temple... Trust me when He is revealed He will unleash the 7 thunders when He speaks....

He also returns to be glorified in His saints.

Earendel

Nov 7 2008, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (Earendel @ Mar 1 2008, 11:19 AM)

QUOTE (Godsword @ Mar 1 2008, 11:48 AM)

I agree with you, Earendel. And I think the validity of your observations would show why those who go around proclaiming (as opposed to perhaps "just" claiming) themselves to be one of the Two Witnesses are deceived or deceiving.

However, do you yourself think you know who the Two Witnesses might be? How do you think God would reveal to them that they are the Two Witnesses? As He did with Moses; or gradually, over a period of time using increasingly clear "hints"; or some other way?

It is God who exalts them GW, not they themselves...never! They are saved repented sinners and nothing more, it is God who puts His mark upon them.
Revelation 5, points out something very importatnt...there is only one who is worthy...read on:
1Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. 2And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, "Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?" 3But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. 4I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. 5Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals."

...in life these two witnesses are most humble and meek among men and are of no exalted reputation, but flee this. And they probably suffered persecution because of it. Think of Moses and what was written about him, was he not the most humble and meek of all men and was small in his own eyes? Numbers 12:3 (King James Version)
3(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

And even if I think I may know who they may be, I would never say it. Suffice it to say, whoever they are, they will be revealed in the appointed time and not before. So no one can say "I am he" because they would not do that, they will just go about their work in the time appointed with NO FANFARE, they will be hated by the nations, not loved...their praise come from God who called them.

I wanted to add something here to what I wrote about. I believe they will place their love for God above all else in this life, and fully trust in Him. Further, wouldn't it be easier to just go up in the rapture then to be one of these two? Think about it...the road they will have to travel...

- they will be on the most wanted list in every country around the world because of the cataclysms and destruction that they will cause.
- they are dedicated to the destruction of Babylon the Great and this is part of their mandate that they must fulfill.
- they will be the most wanted men on earth, and will be considered global terrorists, and enemies of the state, of every state on Earth and will be hated and hunted...but judgement proceeds from their mouths and will consume those who would harm them.
- they will proclaim the coming of the Lord and witness about the true Bride of the Lamb...they hate the wicked harlot and will destroy her with death.
-in the end, when they have finished their testimony, the beast will overcome them and kill them...I believe that these two witnesses will be killed in the sanctuary of the Lord...this is where they will be. I somehow feel they will be safe in the temple until they are done their ministry and finished their testimony.