if you believe they are two individuals of this day and are alive please share your thoughts.


do you pray for them.
is there anything you would say to them.

This is a new one. This "2 witnesses" debate has dragged on and will continue to drag on for many weeks, months and perhaps even years.

I just don't get it. Why is it so hard to imagine fire (the word of god) coming out of a mans mouth, in so much that it (the word of god) protects them and kills all who try to harm them? Why is it so hard to picture 2 men dressed in sackcloth preaching the word of god, for the whole world to see and hear? Why is it so hard to believe that these 2 men will have supernatural powers, in so much that they can shut the rains and smite mankind with any plaques they wish? Why is it so hard to believe that these 2 will be able to turn water to blood. Why is it so hard to believe that God will allow his choosen 2 prophets to be killed after they have finished their testimony and that they will be resurrected and brought up to heaven after lying in the streets for 3 1/2 days? Why is it so hard to believe that only 2 witnesses are required to achieve what God set out for them to do....which is simply to preach the word of God to the whole world for 42 months and punish those on the earth who turn a blind eye to their testimony.

I believe there will only be 2 witnesses. They will be granted supernatural powers by God, so that they may finish their testimony. I believe there will also be many more "witnesses" (tribulation saints) through out the world during the end times, but all of these witnesses will be caught by the beast/antichrist forces and killed over the course of the last 3 1/2 year tribulation period.

I don't accept the "corporate witnesses" doctrine. I don't accept the post trib rapture doctrine, as I know God will keep his beloved choosen children from the great tempation that will come upon man. I also don't believe in the doctrine, that the antichrist will not be phyical man but instead represents the spirit of the antichrist.


God Bless!!

Rob

Where does it say the two witnesses are human? All I have ever read is they are from God. Just as the angel is the one who fulfills the Great Commission spoken of in Matthew 24:14, NOT MAN. Revelation 14:6 says the angel comes and give the eternal gospel of Christ, then Christ comes. The sickle is swung across the earth and gathers the people, the good grapes.

If you could enlighten me in scriptures that I've missed, I'd appreciate it very much. For I have missed the Great Commission in Matthew 24:14 as the entire organizations of Churches have ALSO.

your sister in Christ.

Where does it say they are not human? Concerneing these two witnesses...

REV.11: 7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

These are NOT angles, but men. Angels do not have bodies as men do that can be killed and lie in the streets for 3-1/2 days.

Holy angels are ministering SPIRITS sent forth to minister to those who are to be hiers of salvation. We are still in the first part of our creation, 1 John 3: 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

He has set His angels over the affairs of men...they battle in the Spirit on our behalf. Our battle over sin and death is through our bodies...when the body of sin is finally put down and we are raised incoruptable...and are changed into His glorious image. So we are still in the early part of our creation. It is the holy angels, God's ministering spirits, who help us in this life gain victory over sin. These fight evil angelics and demons. The Holy Spirit of God indwells His elect as a seal of the promise of the purchased possesion, for greater is He that is within us then he that is in the world. I believe these angels carry the presence of God on their garments...and you know when they are near because you can feel God's presence. Remember that it was angels who ministered to our Lord Jesus after he was tempted in the wilderness and in the Gardern of Gethsemane to strengthen Him. Imagine that.

But angels will not die in the body as these two witnesses do.

They are all dead just as the rest of the chapter describes. They all died in Faith.

where does scripture say enoch died in faith ? I missed it..

You asked me this before, and the answer is still the same: It is not for me to answer but for you to Ask God.

Not only do I believe the Two are alive, I know they are alive.

this is justices way of saying...i dont know..

this TWO will not be born as babies and raised...they are the Two candlesticks in Heaven...they were born centuries ago ...it is Enoch and Elijah they need not be born twice...

remember too Jesus said elijah would come first...it had double meaning like a lot of prophecy...yes he meant in the spirit form that dwelled in John the baptist but it also meant elijah was coming before the second coming too..

Elijah and John the Baptist, were born men and in the same Spirit it will happen again. John the Baptist was Elijah in this scripture.

Matthew 17
11 But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands."

Yes! They were born as babies. They are two regular men who the Lord led to search for Him and find Him. Past tense.

If you read the scriptures you will find that the "elijah will come first" scripture was already fulfilled once. But Christ renews it for the end time in this passage.

Matthew 17
11 Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.

Hello Dude,

The Elijah to come is referring to the Prophet of Malachi, being John the baptist came in that Spirit, not of reincarnation, but of the spirit. Example: We are in the Spirit of God but that does not make us God. This is what Jesus is saying about John the baptist being the Elijah to come.


We have a lot of traditions of men that have crept into our Christian Churches over the course of time. Reason we have so many different understanding from the one bible first translated, known as the KJV, is that the blind guides have had their hands into the Word of God just as Jesus said in Mark 7:7-8

The true word of God has been trampled and indoctrinated with the Traditions of man, that has caused God to be worshiped in VAIN. Amen the truth has been spoken by God.

The word of God is good, should be taught by the Comforter as the Scriptures say. And with our Shield of Faith given that is what we walk in against these doctrines of men being preached to us from the pulpit, by those themselves that are deceived because they were taught through a system that consulted the blind guides for understanding..... Oh what a mess they have made of the KJV. That has trickled over into the other translations today that are written for us.

And if this isn't bad enough, we have books upon books written for us in the name of God's word deceiving us all the more on meanings and enlightenment. We have all gone astray just as God said.

I am going to do a post on the traditions of men and the source proving it come from the Jews who gave the translation to the KJV that has cause so much trouble among the Christian churches then and now.

LOL Trust God alone, He said the Comforter was to teach us, ask God to clean out that which you've been indoctrinated with and for the Comforter alone to teach you. He will and your eyes will see things that were hidden through the teachings of men, God will open your eyes wide, for he is returning to take HIS CROWN SOON and has made this clear to me.

Your sister in Christ










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Hello Dude,

The Elijah to come is referring to the Prophet of Malachi, being John the baptist came in that Spirit, not of reincarnation, but of the spirit. Example: We are in the Spirit of God but that does not make us God. This is what Jesus is saying about John the baptist being the Elijah to come.


We have a lot of traditions of men that have crept into our Christian Churches over the course of time. Reason we have so many different understanding from the one bible first translated, known as the KJV, is that the blind guides have had their hands into the Word of God just as Jesus said in Mark 7:7-8

The true word of God has been trampled and indoctrinated with the Traditions of man, that has caused God to be worshiped in VAIN. Amen the truth has been spoken by God.

The word of God is good, should be taught by the Comforter as the Scriptures say. And with our Shield of Faith given that is what we walk in against these doctrines of men being preached to us from the pulpit, by those themselves that are deceived because they were taught through a system that consulted the blind guides for understanding..... Oh what a mess they have made of the KJV. That has trickled over into the other translations today that are written for us.

And if this isn't bad enough, we have books upon books written for us in the name of God's word deceiving us all the more on meanings and enlightenment. We have all gone astray just as God said.

I am going to do a post on the traditions of men and the source proving it come from the Jews who gave the translation to the KJV that has cause so much trouble among the Christian churches then and now.

LOL Trust God alone, He said the Comforter was to teach us, ask God to clean out that which you've been indoctrinated with and for the Comforter alone to teach you. He will and your eyes will see things that were hidden through the teachings of men, God will open your eyes wide, for he is returning to take HIS CROWN SOON and has made this clear to me.

Your sister in Christ

Good morning Justice!

I find it fascinating that the Strong's concordance doesn't have reference to the interpretation of the word
Olive tree in this chapter. They are called two witnesses. Because they are testifying of God. NO WHERE
does it say they are man or female.

If you want to proclaim truth, it should be studied and sought with diligence speaking to God, if it is not revealed, IT SHOULD
NOT BE FILLED IN BY MAN'S IMAGINATION.

Ref # 3144 marturos, is a masc.-fem. noun.....
A witness who has information or knowledge of something, hence one who can give information, bring light.

This information comes from the Complete Word Study dict.

Justice, you have been taught incomplete truth, through men, that have taught these fables handed down from the pulpit.
Hal Lindsey preaches such things and Tim LaHaye, Hank Henergraff John McCarther, all who teach a rapture out of the tribulation, have taught fables. For Daniel 7:25-27 tells us in plain words that we Saints are going to be HANDED OVER TO THIS 8TH king/beast and false prophet for 42 months and then the courts sit and the kingdoms are handed over to us Saints. I ask you, do you see the truth of what happens in verses 25-27?

These man like Hal, Hank, etc have been taught fables, they preach them to others and ask for your money to keep them on the air to destroy more sheep. We are in times that are wicked and it is being shown clearly to the children of God. We are scattered among the earth. Our Lord is coming at the end of the 42 months spoken by God through Daniel the prophet and the kingdom will be handed over to us. God wrote this and it is coming very soon.

Your sister in Christ who is coming to take reign of the earth at the end of the beast power HE DESTROYS>Amen

First of all, I have said it in earlier post, and I do not feel obligued to repeat it, since it has been ignored.
Second, the last time I listened to a false pulpit, has been years ago.
The names you mention, are unknown to me, so who has been listening to a false pulpit?

It is funny actually, how you gather to accuse me of the very things that you do yourselves.
This is called projection, an old trick by the enemy. For yes we are in a time where satan will pull all resources to destroy those who truly bring testimony.

Not only do I believe the Two are alive, I know they are alive.

They are alive today! ---Elijah the prophet to come is very much alive! How do I know this?

By this:

When the first prophet of God appeared, Satan knew the prophecy of being 400 years ‘under the yoke’ Genesis 15:13 …“Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own, and they will be enslaved and mistreated four hundred years. (This is the prophecy date that he calculated)but he knew someone was needed to lead this people out of that yoke for that time to come. So what He does is destroy all baby boys in Egypt so that prophet would not appear. We know that baby to be born today as Moses (Who was a Levite) Exodus 1:15 …The king of Egypt said to the Hebrew midwives, whose names were Shiphrah and Puah, “When you help the Hebrew women in childbirth and observe them on the delivery stool, if it is a boy, kill him; but if it is a girl, let her live.” The midwives, however, feared God and did not do what the king of Egypt had told them to do; they let the boys live.

Again Satan tried to kill another great leader, but this time it was The Christ, through Herod, he kills all boys under 2 years old So that leader would not come according to the Prophet Daniel (The Christ was also a Levite [as well as from the Tribe of Judah])Matt 2:13 … When they had gone, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream.“Get up,” he said, “take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill him.” Matt 2:16 ….and he gave orders to kill all the boys in Bethlehem and its vicinity who were two years old and under, in accordance with the time he had learned from the Magi

Then again, Satan does it again! He knows that he has around 6,000 years of rule on Earth. So calculating for when this prophet in revelation would be born, he tries to kill all Jews (and most are in Europe at that time), specially the children in Europe. He does this through that Dictator, Hitler, with the pretext of conquering Europe and imposing an Aryan race, incidentally the word Aryan is very similar to the word Aaron (who was of the Levite tribe) Exodus 4:14… What about your brother, Aaron the Levite? I know he can speak well. He is already on his way to meet you…
But he fails once again. And he fulfills scriptures unwittingly as the state of Israel is born, because of this very act that occurred in Europe!

The Elijah to come, he TOO would is going to be a Levite, and of course a Jew! I would guess he is around 70 years old today.

Moses, the Christ and Elijah (the 1st one) were all Levites!

Blabber all you want. I know Eliyah in person. And if you think you want to kill me or him or anyone else that God has sent right this moment, you will not be able to destroy any of us. Time is up.

Blabber all you want. I know Eliyah in person. And if you think you want to kill me or him or anyone else that God has sent right this moment, you will not be able to destroy any of us. Time is up.

Rev 11:3 And I will give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks, standing before the Lord of the earth.

Rev 1:20 the mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks are seven churches.

The two olive trees are two individual prophets, and the two candlesticks are a bunch of people. Candlesticks are symbolic for churches.

There might be some here, but, you will know them by their fruits. :\

You can't have it both ways because of the way it is worded.

"These are the two".

It is only talking about these two. They are both olive tree and candlestick and only these two.

How do we know that the two witnessess are not both individuals and a coorporate body of believers? Abraham was given the promise that God would make him into a great and mighty nation. Was Abraham by himself a great and mighty nation? No, so how do we know that the two olive trees are not individuals who spiritually reproduce into a corporate "great and mighty olive tree"? This would allow the two olive trees to die as two individuals but not take away from the meaning of candlestick and olive tree. Remember if they are olive trees they will produce much fruit and they will have many branches. Are the branches and fruit a part of them or are they an extension as in the case of Abraham?

Isa.66
[8] Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Hi, Dude!

I don't find any where in the word where we are called Gods. The Jews teach this, and I disagree with them.

Why would we be racing toward a goal for the CROWN OF LIFE?.....If we are to be Gods?

The Crown of Life, is eternal life, one of life that does not die.

Your sister in Christ.

You can't have it both ways because of the way it is worded.

"These are the two".

It is only talking about these two. They are both olive tree and candlestick and only these two.

Corporate was invented by the devil and should never be used while talking about anything Holy.

The Two individual prophets of the Lord will impart faith to the end time saints after they have gotten the great tribulation underway.

From the beginning of their ministry Good men of God will follow them out of the churches that reject them and the camps of the Lord will start to form from there.

If you look up corporate in the dictionary it does not have to mean a corporation it can simply mean a group of people that are united. That is all I meant by using that word. and those people that follow them would be what I am referring to.

You are missing the point. It does mean corporation. It's roots are in corporation.

It was invented and used for and by the corporate bodies of corporations everywhere.

It is just a mater of fact that the corporate body belongs to satan.

The body of Christ has nothing to do with incorporating or corporate or corporations.

It will come to pass that the use of that term and many satanic things, which are done in the Lord's name, will be eliminated when the Lords witnesses come to begin the purging of the alloy of the nations out of the Lord's people.

Ok, i guess we just do not agree, because I do not believe corporations are evil in and of themselves.