For years now many well intentioned Christians have been debating the "rapture" theories. What if I told you, all three views were correct, but there was only one "harvest"? You would probably say Huh? Are you crazy? I can understand this response, but hear me out and verify with the word.

[/indent] Most are familiar with the three "harvest views" whether pre, mid, or post "Tribulation" So I want to concentrate on the "two misconceptions" that need to be addressed to bring on this Reconciliation I speak of.

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DAniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifices are taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY DAYS.

Lets for a moment, assume this statement is true, and there is a 3 1/2 year time split BETWEEN the two events. What would this do to the order of events in the end time?? This would put the Abomination of desolation AT THE END OF THE 70TH WEEK, BUT STILL PRIOR TO THE DAY OF THE lORD.[indent]

tHE SECOND MISCONCEPTION THAT MKUST BE CORRECTED, Is the 70th week of daniel is the "great tribulation period". Lets for now call the Seventieth week of Daniel what it is, the time of JACOB'S TROUBLE. However the day of ther Lord is defined (in Obadiah 1:15) as the "time of the heathen. The Lord is dealing with two seperate groups of people in two seperate time frame. So lets "label the true great tribulation period" the tribulation period, which IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWS THE 70TH WEEK. iF WE "FIX" THESE TWO MISCONCEPTIONS, WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THE RAPTURE (OR HARVEST THEORIES?)

1. Is the "harvest "pre" tribulation? Yes it is, only after understanding when the true great tribulation falls. We are NOT destined for God's wrath, which must fall after the forty-two month reign of the almost christ.
2. Does the "harvest" fit a "mid" tribulation theory? Answer Yes! It has been the misundeerstanding as to when the abomination of desolation occurs that has brought on a "mid tribulation" theory. The Harvest does occur at the time of the abomination of desolation, but that occurs BEFORE THE "GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD', when God's wrath is poured out.
3. Is the "Harvest" "POST 70th WEEK" ANSWER ONCE AGAIN, YES IT IS. The "mislabeling" of the seventieth week, As the "tribulation period has brought on this theory.
4. So in review, the "Harvest" takes place AFTER the seven year 70th week, (post trib theory), at the time of the abominatiion of Desolation (mid tribulation theory) but before the great tribulation (Pre-tribulation theory, which is actually pre wrath. ALL THREE RAPTURE VIEWS RECONCILED INTO ONE EVENT!!!!!!!!!!

There is ONE harvest of those in Christ--here's the proof:

1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.

That's it....When Jesus returns at the Last Trump-after the tribulation of those days- He raises His Body which includes the dead in Christ and those who are alive at the coming of the Lord in GLORY....THEN the sun and moon are darkened and the day of the Lord- the Year of His redeemed.
begins.

Isa 63:4 For the day of vengeance was in my heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

This is my understanding and by no way am I debating or arguing with you.....just discussing the post you have written.

Blessings,

Brother John, I do agree that the sacrifices are taken away or stopped in the midst of the "week" However, please show me a prophetical verse that states that the abomination that maketh desolate, which is an entirely different event, occurs at the same time. This has been a long time held "assumption" that the events occur "simultaineously." How do you get around DAniel 12 :11 which establishes a 3 1/2 year time split between the two events? Even in DAniel Chapter 9 we witness the sacrifices are taken away FOR THE OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS. One event, the stopping of the sacrifices, does bring on the second, but, DAniel 12:11 gives us a 3 1/2 year time split between the two events. Why is this so hard to understand? If one's doctrine doesn't line up with God's word, its time to Chuck the doctrine in the trash, and not the word of God!

Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Does this verse say that there is a span of 42 months BETWEEN the sacrifice being taken away and the abomination set up or as I suspect that this is ONE event and we can start counting days from that point until the Day of the Lord?

It's the setting up of the abomination of desolation that takes away the daily oblation, Josh. If one takes the Mark of the Beast (abom of des) they are desolated ( sacrifice ceases) THEN we start counting days until the sun and moon are darkened.

You need to read about Judas' betrayal carefully.....it's a prophecy of this event.

No need for me to throw out this doctrine as it lines up perfectly with what's written not only in Daniel, but in the Gospels and Rev. as well.

The abomination (this is a deed or act that is considered to be vile, wicked and severely judged by God)
of desolation ( an judgment from God that removes His presence and all hope of redemption)

Jesus left the Jewish temple "desolate" as a judgment before He gave His physical life as an atoning sacrifice for us.

Judgment--
Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that killeth the prophets, and stoneth them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her own brood under her wings, and ye would not!
(Luke 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Fulfillment--
Mar 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top to the bottom.

From this moment on into eternity---God has left the building, folks...never to return to a building made with hands. THIS is what "desolation" means and it will happen to ALL who take the physical mark of the beast.

Rev 14:11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

Here is how I see this PATTERN in scripture. In the betrayal of Christ by Judas.

Look carefully at this clear description of the "abomination that makes desolate"

Luk 22:3 And Satan entered into Judas (This is the spirit of Antichrist entering the temple and claiming to be god) who was called Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
Luk 22:5 And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. (Judas took the mark for money,i.e. buying and selling..he sold the Lord out for the things of the world= 666)
Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver into the sanctuary, and departed; and he went away and hanged himself.

He was desolated by this act of treason...can you see it?

The traditional teaching that I've heard for over 25 years is very much stuck in the letter of the Word (which killeth) It goes like this----

A very charismatic world leader will arise and deceive everyone (except the elect) He will gain world dominion and march into the rebuilt third temple and will sit physically in the Holy of Holies and claim to be God. This is the letter which killeth but the Spirit gives life.

Here is what I believe the clear pattern of scripture teaches us---

During the tribulation, Christians will be tried in the wilderness and many will not be able to endure the trial, (JUST AS the Israelites in the desert) and they will betray the Lord by running back to Egypt ( the world) and take the Mark of the Beast (Government system that is opposed to God). This act (abomination) will cause them to be desolated and Satan (Antichrist) will enter them ( JUST AS he did to Judas who did the EXACT same thing). This is the true spiritual fulfillment of that which Daniel was speaking. The tail of the dragon pulls down a third of the stars....this is the great falling away that will reveal the son of perdition. Watch.....

Rev 12:4 And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: ( these stars are not angels but those who were positionally with Christ in the heavenlies as Ephesians states and they lose their place. (are desolated by taking the mark of the beast.)

2Th 2:3 let no man beguile you in any wise: for it will not be, except the falling away come first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

The "son of perdition" is NOT the Antichrist as traditionally taught because Judas was given this designation by Jesus himself and it can only apply to those who follow his example or deed of betrayal.

John 17:12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

"The "son of perdition" is NOT the Antichrist"

Really? Who is?

2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.