If you had your choice to vote for any living person for U.S. president, who would it be? Please name a real person.

Dan Corner
www.evangelicaloutreach.org

Dan calls himself the "missionary to the internet".

he pastors a church in pennsylvania, i think

i like Dave Hunt, but he believes OSAS.

let's make Shekel President.

I'd vote for me.

Any of the following!

Franklin Graham
Charles Stanley
Perry Stone, Jr.
Michael Reagan
Jack Van Impe
Gordon Robertson

But right now I am going to vote for Mitt Romney, who is the only candidate against abortion. Even though he is Mormon, my ex-husband was a Mormon and his religion was not ever brought into our home or marriage. So I believe that the Lord can use Mitt as he is the only candidate at this juncture who remotely stands with Christ. When he talk, he reminds me of Reagan. It gives me the chills. A lot of people won't vote for him because of the Mormonism, but I see that he is against abortion, he is going to cut taxes, reduce spending, strengthen our military. I may not like my boss's personal habits, but I think he is good for the job he is in.

From what I hear he was for abortion before he decided he wanted the GOP presidential nomination. And isn't he also in favor of Sodomite marriage?

No, he is against gay marriage. He was for abortion in 2002 when he was running for governor of Massachusetts. But then when he got into office, he vetoed all kinds of bills coming through and became prolife. He said he could see where the cloning was going. Check out his webcast. He speaks with such authority, like a REAL president!

Check it out at www.mittromney.com


Here is an excerpt from two of his speeches:
"I will oppose taxpayer funding of abortion, oppose partial birth abortion, oppose abortion in military clinics, oppose funding abortion in international aid programs, and I will work to ban embryonic cloning. I will work to increase adoptions by making the adoption tax credit permanent and raising awareness about embryonic adoption, or snowflake babies. And you don't have to take my word for it, you can look at my record as governor. On every piece of legislation, I came down on the side of life. I was honored to receive the political leadership award from Massachusetts Citizens for Life in recognition of the actions I took as governor to protect life. I am grateful for the work all of you have done for years on this issue. Like Ronald Reagan and Henry Hyde, I am a convert to this cause. I have joined the fight to win the hearts and minds of others, and to work to create a culture of life."

"And third, we were in the beginnings of a cultural crisis. Social values also played a role in my campaign success. My opponent said she would sign a bill that would sanction same sex marriage. I said that I would oppose gay marriage and civil unions. My opponent favored bilingual education. I did not. I said that to be successful in America, children need to speak the language of America. And my opponent wanted to lower the age of consent for an abortion from 18 to 16 – and I did not."

i like Rod Paul for President

traditional, family values, baby doctor, constitutionalist, restorer of breaches(in my thought)
unliked by the major media, yet loved by those that find out about his grass roots appeal.

whatever happens politically, if we vote our conscience, then we have done our part in
the American experience, and God will have the final outcome to bring about His Word, in
this prophetic moment.

all things work together for good for those that love the Lord and are called according to
His purpose.

simply this, it says that He prepares the smith...and that no weapons formed against us
shall prosper. what that says to me is that whatever the outcome...God is control, and
furthering His purpose and kingdom by reason of it.

let us do our part and thoughtfully and prayerfully participate in the freedom we have been given, vote, and let God sort it out. after all, we are sojourners in the land...

blessings,
signet

This says it all for me:

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It is the best line ever! I vote for Bob Hope - wait! He's dead....dang...

gr82bsaved

It would be Jesus Christ. Very much real and very much alive.

Godsloft.com

LOL, good choice. Unfortunately, I don't believe he's on the ballot... at least not in the literal sense.

That being said, my vote goes to the leader who will:

-utilize social programs to attack ulcers such as poverty, crime, and poor education, which all go hand in hand... you attack one, you attack them all

-will work to minimize the income gap and eliminate the emerging economic nobility/aristocracy

-will adopt a foreign policy based upon alliances and diplomacy, and avoid armed conflict unless absolutely necessary

-will refrain from becoming involved in politics and governments of foreign nations

-will insist that trade partners adopt minimum acceptable standards for treatment of workers

-will attempt to wrest some power away from large corporations and put it back in the hands of the American people

-will make the protection of the environment a priority

-will acknowledge the legitimacy of the World Court, and will become a signer of bans and treaties suck as Kyoto and the Landmine Ban

Hmm, now that I'm going, I could really run with this... but I suppose I'll leave it with the first bunch that came to mind.

madhatter, your canidate sounds like a socialist, how do you propose to minimize the income gap? Maybe people should work with their own two hands. Legitimacy of the world court? Sign treaties like the Kyoto, which will impose regulations that will be regulated by international forces, yet you want to not become involved in foreign nations. Wrest power away from large corporations, and give it back to the American people, when did they ever have the power to start with? The corporation owners have the money to start up businesses, not the government, or the people. We should look for someone that doesn't interfer with corporations ability to keep jobs here, maybe someone that will lower taxes, making it more profitable to have businesses here. What incintives are there for having a business if not to make money, that's kinda what the american dream is all about.

Ron Paul is also in favor of an immediate pullout from Iraq and he wants to legalize drugs like marijuana.

maybe you could post a link about Dr. Paul's views for us.

since you posed the question...who is your choice at the moment?



we are sojourners, so in terms of politics...you have my thoughts as posted above.

God is God, and God is on the throne. His will be done.

thanks for asking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

Paul wants an isolationist foreign policy and he voted against the resolution that authorized the use of military force in Iraq.

Paul wishes to leave NATO.

He supports hard money, which means the gold/silver standard, which would drastically reduce the money supply and shrink the economy accordingly.

He is opposed to the war on drugs (which has never been fought as an actual war) and he wants to give the states the option of legalizing marijuana and other drugs.

He also supports jury nullification- think OJ Simpson’s murder trial.


I don’t have an ideal candidate that I can put a name to. But, I would consider supporting people like S. Truett Cathy, the founder of Chick-fil-a and Aaron Feuerstein, the former CEO of Mauldin Mills http://www.vineyardcolumbus.org/resources/...tail.asp?id=422. These men are willing to put principles over profit.

More on Ron Paul:

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_17734.shtml

Ron Paul voted

April 2005 against restrictions on transporting minors across state lines to procure abortions.

February 2004 against making it a crime to harm a fetus during the commission of another crime.

February 2003 against a ban on human cloning for reproductive and medical research purposes.

September 2004 and July 2006 against a constitutional amendment to ban Sodomite marriage.

June 2000 against building more prisons in favor of alternative sentencing.

January 2007 for legalizing industrial hemp, i.e., marijuana.

September 2001 against military border patrols to combat terrorism and the importation of drugs.

September 1998 against mandatory random drug testing for federal employees.

July 2001 for legalizing medical marijuana (a synthetic medical marijuana drug has been around since the 1980s).

May 2001 against mandatory academic testing for school students.

July 2005 against restricting international arms sales to Communist China.

June 2005 against restricting U.S. funding for the United Nations designed to force the UN to implement reforms.

May 2007 against requiring lobbyists to disclose bundled donations.

October 2004 against protecting gun manufacturers from liability lawsuits resulting from the illegal use of their products.

May 2007 said that U.S. intervention abroad incites hatred of the U.S. and terrorism such as 9-11.

Paul has a 67% approval rating by the NEA.

I’ve also seen reports on the net that Ron Paul has anything from a 55-67% approval rating from the ACLU.

Come July Christ will be on the world ballot. Come January after July no one else will be on the ballot anywhere ever again.

Ron Paul denies being an isolationist and advocates "Conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations". Ron Paul believes that a war should only be fought to protect: American Citizens, war must be declared by Congress, and the war needs to end when the victory is complete. Ron Paul stated "that the American public deserves clear goals and definite exit exit strategy in Iraq."

Prohibition didn't work and either is the war on drugs. Ron Paul believes that Drug addiction is an illness and we need to find other methods of helping these addicted individuals. Prohibition didn't work and either does incarceration. Instead of populating our prisons with drug users, wouldn't it be more benefiticial to focus attention on drug pushers and drug smugglers? Our prisons are overfilled and in many states new prisons are being built in order to house the overflow of inmates. Texas and California presently are having problems housing all incarcerated individuals.

Ron Paul does favor marijuana as a medical option which I also support. For one thing, marijuana increases the appetite for those individuals unable to eat due to their illness. The extra food provides energy in order that the body be better able to fight the disease that is attacking their systems. Recently a young man confined to a wheelchair and down to 98 pounds asked Mitt Romney if Mitt would support incarcerating his physicians for prescribing marijuana? If Mitt would support incarcerating him for taking marijuana? I found it interesting and unsettling that Mitt basically ignored the man's questions. Mitt just said, "I do not believe in legalizing marijuana." So am I as a citizen to assume that Mitt would advocate the jailing of diseased men and women and their physicians? If so, how does he propose getting extra funds in order to build more jails? Would that money be taken out of taxpayers pockets?

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Is this your prediction?

Ron Paul on YouTube which may help to explain his positions better.

"Ron Paul: Stop Dreaming"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWfIhFhelm8

PS- How do I add links to postings?

No. This is what the Lord said.

Jonah walked into a city unknown and began to cry out as the Lord told him. Yet forty days and the Lord will overthrow Nineveh. No one questioned him they just repented in sackcloth and ashes and were saved. Today everyone needs to be convinced and yet the very thing that will convince them will destroy them, There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

What are you going to believe- what Ron Paul says on the campaign trail, or how he has voted in Congress? The simple fact that Ron Paul doesn’t want our military to secure our national borders, shows what a dangerous lunatic he is.

"What are you going to believe..."
Flaji

I believe what I see:

1. I have seen the weakening of the constitution under the leadership of President Bush.
2. A federal government that has lost touch with the people.
3 A government that has incurred a huge debt.
4. A government that supports Nafta, Cafta, and the law of the sea treaty.
5. Plans are now underway for a super duper highway to connect Mexico, United States and Canada.
All of the above shows to me that our federal government is working towards a Global Government. So what was your point?

"....What Ron Paul says on the campaign trail, or how he has voted in Congress?"
Flaji

Ron Pauls voting record has shown his commitment and knowledge of our Constitution. He has voted 100% of the time in favor of our Constitution. He does not take liberties in re-writting this valuable document in order to win a debate.

"The simple fact that Ron Paul doesn't want our military to secure our national borders shows what a dangerous lunatic he is."
Flaja

Now you have got me speechless. Do you mean that Ron Paul doesn't want to secure our borders in the same fashion as our leaders that are now in office? Presently, we have borders not very secure. In fact, aren't our leaders presently yelling that amnesty be given to illegals? Isn't is also true that patriotic Americans had to volunteer their own time to protect the borders because government wasn't doing it's job? Please explain what you mean by a dangerous lunatic?

Flaja, would you agree that our Constitution is a living document?

Gods Blessings,

Al (my nickname)

The ideal president for me would be a blend of Reagan, Eisenhower, and Teddy Roosevelt. There's nobody alive I can think of that would make what I consider an "ideal" president.

Some of the current Republican ones are okay, but Rudy makes me nervous, his personal life is a mess, much less his liberalism. Huckabee seems the best Christian of the lot, except for maybe Romney, who has to have every nut in the world stalking him right now because he's ahead.

Thompson seems so non-commital, McCain used to be a big supporter of amnesty. Thye big guy for that, Tancredo, has no chance, either, and ALL of them have at one time failed to control illegal immigration.

Ron Pau knowinglyl takes money from Nazis and hangs out with Truthouters, 'nuff said.

Ron Pau knowinglyl takes money from Nazis and hangs out with Truthouters, 'nuff said.
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Jake,

I am a "newbie," myself, and I am enjoying this forum. Welcome aboard. But, now it's down to business.

Just for clarification you posted: "Ron Paul knowingly takes money from Nazis and hangs out with Truthouters, 'nuff said." My response to the claim you made is this: No, not 'nuff said." Jake it is okay to express your opinions but you made some claims against Ron Paul without offering any sort of evidence for the reader to digest. Did you get this information by word of mouth, after-all many people are trying to discredit Ron Paul. Or, do you have some proof that you can provide for this allegation?

Ron Paul has been a big hit on the internet and he has received a huge amount of money from internet supporters. I have studied this man's history and no where in my studies has his honesty come into question. For instance does Ron Paul still accept money from Nazi's and if so are there names of nazi supporters you can supply for me?

The research that I have done has led me to believe that he is the only candidate that will follow the Constitution if he is elected as President. My research has also made me believe that he is very truthful and nobel even in those times that he is bullied by the big boys in government. When push comes to shove, Ron Paul can shove back with truth. So once again I ask you: Can you please show me where you came up with these allegations and what sources you used in reaching your conclusions.

It just isn't fair the way that statement reads because I can't counter-argue. I really need to read your sources and then do the personal research.

Thanks. Once again, Welcome.

Gods Blessings,

Al

I think it important to hear a rebuttal from Ron Paul on the claims made that he was associating with Nazi's. I took this allegation so seriously that i went in search of what Ron Paul said about these allegation. Kind of like getting the exact information from the horses mouth?

Here is a quote by dansama that might explain all the talk about Ron Paul.

"The wave of support and publicity for Paul has the neocons enraged, and they are busy trying to discredit him with a campaign of unsurpassed villainy. What they have done is actually kind of funny, if you take your humor black: they've simply tranferred their usual blather on the foreign policy front to the domestic battlefield."

www.dailypaul.com/node/7359

My advice is to look at two sides of the argument instead of only listening to only one side of the argument. Then make your decision based on hard facts and evidence.

The original question was who that is alive now would I vote for president. My answer is that I don't know. My prayer for many months now has been that God will raise up leaders that will bring glory to his name. It is my firm belief that our nation needs leaders at every level (federal, state, and local) that will make decisions in the way that King David did. Decisions based on what God is speaking. Decision based on knowing the heart of God.

I have been praying and occasionally fasting about this for a while. It is time to step the fasting up to a new level. As I stated, I've been praying for leaders that will bring glory to God. I have begun to pray that God will do one of two things. Either change the hearts of those that are now in office and those that are running for office, or if they refuse to turn their hearts to him, that God will replace them with people that will seek his heart and wisdom for our nation.

Frankly I do not know who to vote for at this point. I believe that God can raise up individuals that we have not heard of or thought of. He has people that he desires to see in leadership in this nation. I want the leaders that he desires. It does not matter to me what is said or not said in the media. What matters to me is how is God directing me to vote, and who does God want to see as our president and leaders in all levels of government. Until he reveals those answers to me, I can't tell you who I am voting for.

I will continue to fast and pray and seek his face. I will continue to call upon him to bring this nation to a place of corporate fasting and prayer and repentence. I will continue to pray that he will bring revival in the hearts of people all across this nation.

His will be done. We must not sit back and wait. This is a battle not for poitical control of our nation, but for spiritual control. We must engage in spiritual warfare by prayer and fasting now and ask God to raise up the leaders he wants. If we wait until after the primaries then we are stuck with whomever is chosen by the primaries.

Now is the time to make a difference. This is not about individual parties or individual political views of those running. This is about how God views the situation, and about the heart of those that are running.

Forget everything else. If the candidate has a heart for God, and will allow God to mold their decisions, then regardless of what they are saying now, they are the candidate that I want in office.

If they don't seek Gods heart, then I really dont care what they say they will do. I don't want them in office.

In the USA their is only two political parties. The Democrates are historically liberal
in their thinking and policys. The Republicans are historically financial hawks and moderate
in their policys. If you ask me the USA has not been led by a leader that has in anyway been
led by the heart of God or His Holy scripture. Just because someone says they are Christian
does not make it so and I think we have seen that during the Bush years in the White House.
The USA is on course for judgment, just like any other unGodly nation. The Americas have
long turned from their creator and His will. They will be collectively judged like any other
nation or individual who repents not of their wickedness and turns to the Lord for forgiveness.
We are in the last days. Time is very short before judgement falls on a sinful and wicked world.
I just pray that if there is a new leader in the USA that they would do the will of God Almighty.
The chances seem remote but as Christians we are to pray for peace and God fearing people
that hold office over our nations.

Even so come Lord Jesus. Amen and Amen.

Thunder

yes, come quickly Lord Jesus, yet we know that judgment comes
before the fall

i am so sad these days...almost dazed by the onslaught of hypocrisy,
and hatred...greed and gore.

today i have been grieving a friend, and my father's passing 15 years
ago, seems like a just saw him and he was gone, both of them.

i love what i believe of America, however, i believe that i am a sojourner
here and will do the best i can to be a friend, a neighbor, a daughter
and a woman of God. it is a journey...

i miss horribly at any given time, and condemnation is very cruel. Yet
God does not leave us or forsake us in the midst of the trial.

sorry, for seeming out of touch...it's just that right now i am so in touch
with reaching for God that i want us all to experience the glory and
joy of His presence.

may God rule over the nations and bring His will to pass.

thank you AL for saying all the things that i wished i could have,
thank you for being strong in research and strong in your advocacy.

i love you sister. thank you for your prayers of faith.

signet

the political process...whatever party or country should be a horn
sounding...that it doesn't work by man, only God.

the best system that man has come up with at times is better than
at other times and places...but God.

if we had wanted to hear from God personally, then we would not
have to vote for a man. but that is God's business now.

we have a chance now, each day, every hour to cast a vote for
Jesus. God will sort it out...and soon. i ask Him to come now,
because i need Him now, we need Him now...

i am not starving today, i am not dying today...i don't want to wait
for the end...i want to live unto God and whatever His will, be
prepared. that is my heart. send me Lord. send us Lord.

make us be still and hear you, then send us.

I love you too Signet. Thank-you for your kind words. I became a Christian interested in government when by chance found a forum named, "Renew America." I found this forum at the lowest time in my life: two weeks after my mom died. The forum welcomed me as I was; strong in faith and weak in knowledge. Soon, just posting my thoughts weren't enough. They began to challenge me. Yes, I owe a debt of thanks to these wonderful, understanding people. And Praise the Lord that HE brought me to that forum when my heart was breaking and HE offered me the opportunity of getting my mind off myself and on to matters of more importance- America. Their influence lives on in my life. I am so excited, I ordered a book yesterday. Can't wait to get this book and read. "ACLU vs America." My forum family taught me the importance of learning. Signet, God loves you, he will answer your prayers.

As for who shall be the ideal president? As humans none of the candidates are going to be ideal, they will all mess up at times. IMHO, the ideal president is not to be found in the two party system. Just research how they voted on issues. Do some research on their personal lives. And yes, their personal lives do matter if they are going to be representing and leading America. I personally will never vote for the lesser of two evils again. I voted for Bush twice and for that I am truly sorry. At this point my only options of voting are for Ron Paul or Alan Keyes.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Gods Blessings,

Al

you bless me...

Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney are my choices. Mike is doing quite well in Iowa, from what I hear. He was our (Arkansas) governor between clinton and last November. Did a good job straightening out the mess that was left here by clinton. Here in NW Ar, the joke was that Ar voted for clinton to get him out of our state. Mike is a Southern Baptist preacher, BTW, and is definitely pro-life.

He was outspoken about his faith in the Lord during the republican debates on Fox as few months back. It was inspiring.

Paul voted against mandatory school testing? That says enough to me. Let the liberal indoctrinators have at the kids, but why worry if they can read or write, eh? Forget him.

Whenever my mom or I get to ticked off at whichever liberal is doing whatever, we howl "Charlie Daniels for president!". Hmmm....

In Christ, Angela

Well, renewamerica isn't the only forum you hang out at, so I bet you've heard all this before, especially this:

http://dailypaul.com/node/3342

AAEI is made up of various anti war organizations such as MoveOn.org and Center for American Progress Action Fund. Coincidentally, for sure, both receive operating expenditures from none other than good ole George Soros. There are alot of other organizations that make up the AAEI, I am sure if you investigated you might find some of the other ones are also funded by Soros. That's enough right there.

Exactly what I was talking about, just so others know:

Ron Paul's newspaper column was carried by the American Free Press.

Paul has appeared on the Alex Jones radio program not once, not twice, but three times.

Ron Paul has even appeared in a Jones film, "Endgame," the point of which is apparently that the Bilderbergers are plotting to control the world.

He received $500 from Don Black, the proprietor of Stormfront.org and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan - he hasn't given it back.
Stormfront has officially endorsed him. The only other candidate the site has ever endorsed? Dr. David Duke, who endorses guess-who?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...upporters.html

What's funny is that his supporters criticize anybody pointing out the facts but not the facts themselves. Ethics, you know.

Go Mike Huckabee! Go Fred Thompson! Go Mitt Romney! Oh, and Charlie Daniels rocks.

Ron Paul is the only GOD fearing canidate. Dont fall for the misinforomation against him.

Alex Jones is a GOD fearing Patriot the likes of which has not been seen in media ever! And dont believe the misinformation put out about Alex Jones eighther, the evil media will demonize all great GOD fearing Patriots, because they are part of the beast system and its control grid.

Wake up from slumber America!

9/11 was an inside job? Riiiiiiiiight.....

Huckabee, Thompson, or Romney. Troofers should be a third party. Oh, and Ron Paul wants to legalize all drugs, but then he's a non-issue. Wonder why?

Greetings to All. I hope you had a great thanksgiving. So much to be thankful for- To God is all the Glory.

Who is the ideal president? Well in order to find out who we think might be the "ideal president" we just have to keep digging until we can find some truth from all the distorted facts. Most difficult job, indeed. I am not claiming that Ron Paul is the perfect candidate, but what I am claiming is that he sure does beat the candidates in both the Conservative and Democrat parties. Folks, the truth is that both parties are leading this country away from the constitution, freedom and liberty.

angel and praise posted:

"Paul voted against mandatory school testing?"

Me- Ron Paul believes that the US Department of education should be abolished. He thinks that all education decisions should be left up to states, local government, and personal decisions. In fact education should not be federalized. But my mind can be swayed if you can pinpoint for me where in the constitution our framers believed that our children and educational system should be federalized?

Jake,

"Ron Paul- We ain't gonna fight for a New World Order."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FiYGMnpe0w

You mentioned Bilderbergers? Are you suggesting that Ron Paul will be advocating a New World Order? If so I need to remind you that the first President Bush 17 years ago first mentioned and advocated for a New World Order, a Republican leader no doubt.

I didn't criticize you for pointing out the facts, I wanted you to support your claims.

Under our present two party leadership we have lost many of our American Freedoms and Liberties. Take for instance the McCain-Feingold Bill, a bill that is anti-First Amendment. You support Thomson? Fred Thompson openly supported this bill. It needs to be stressed that this bill is unconstitutional. Mitt Romney supports universal health care coverage. A coverage that expands governments role in YOUR life. Mike Huckabee seems to have a lot of positive qualities to offer to America. In fact, I heard him speaking on TV and found myself applauding for him.

As for Ron Paul accepting money from Nazi's and the Ku Klux Klan. The monies he received was unsolicited. But let's not just put the limelight on Ron Paul about accepting money that some may call blood money. And this has me asking a question- How much money do you suppose that the other candidates may have accepted from Planned Parenthood or the ACLU?


Gods Blessings,

Al

PS- I was unable to open the second link in your post if you can give me the author and name of the article I will google. Thanks.

Al

LOL, he's not going to abolish the DOE or anything else. Can't stand him.

No. what I'm saying is that he associates with Alex Jones. and this NWO thing is John Birch bs.

The ACLU and PP are legitimate organizations, like it or not. They give money to pro-abortion candidates only, it's not the same thing as the KKK, who support him. Ron Paul KNOWS all this, and does nothing.

We haven't any lost any "freedoms", either, that's just moveon rhetoric. Forget him, so what if Thompson voted for one bad bill? NRLC endorsed him. At least he's not a libertarian with an ACLU rating in the high 60s. He doesn't even want to wire wire-tap al-queda, the ob/gyn thinks it's a violation of their American civil rights. Haha.

If I was anti-war, I'd be a Democrat or a Ron Paul supporters. If I wanted to legalize all drugs, I'd be a Ron Paul supporter. If I was a neo-Nazi, I'd be a Ron Paul supporter.

Huckabee, Thompson, or Romney. Even Rudy would be better than Ron Paul, at least he doesn't view the constitution as a surrender document. Those people are always calling him a "fascist", look who the REAL fascists support - "Dr. Paul".

duh?

bya. Let me put it this way, Ron Paul can lecture me about the constitution the day and hour I figure out how to give him a pap smear. Too weird.


I'm been thinking about this - Bush is pretty bad, but Gore or Kerry would have been far, far worse. In Europe, they usually have a big slate of people to pick from, there it's picking the least of seven evils.


Mike, Mitt, or Fred.

i agree with you on this...Bush is pretty bad.

i voted for him...and not once, but twice...

and for that i am grieved. the other candidates would not
have done better, just different.

we have to consider the days we live in...and all things,
all things, all things, work together for good to those that
love the Lord...even if it is to shake em and wake em up. amen

signet

"LOL, he's not going to abolish the DOE or anything else. Can't stand him."
Jake

Me- Your above words tell me that you already have you mind set, and are unwilling to be objective concerning Ron Paul. I have learned along time ago that to debate someone who already has their mind made up is useless. Although Ron Paul can better defend himself than I can defend him, I will only be responding to at least sprinkle some truth on the issues he believes in. It's okay Jake, I guess it's the libertarian label he wears that prevents people from digging beyond the surface.
BTW- This is not an insult on you because up until three years ago I believed the same way as you did. I really do understand the positions you are taking.

"The ACLU and PP are legitimate organizations, like it or not."
Jake

Me- Yes they are. One takes away our civil liberties and one murders our children. Both organizations support our candidates and then our governmental leaders support them. Problem is that the tax money I pay to uncle sam is going to support the culture of death. As a taxpayer, I should have a say in the way my money is spent.

"Forget him, so what if Thompson voted for one bad bill?"
Jake

Me- You got to be kidding. Our political leaders voting records are so important. If a leader votes for any bill that will take away any of our liberties and freedoms, that leader should be watched very closely by the American citizen. His voting record just might set the stage for a future take-over in America.

"If I wanted to legalize all drugs, I'd be a Ron Paul supporter."
Jake

Me- Once again, those pesky issues again. Since you can't stand Ron Paul then I suppose you haven't heard what he is actually saying? It is the individual states responsibilty to make laws regarding drugs and it is not the Federal Governments job to interfere. Ron Paul also believes that to house addicts, instead of helping them is just plain wrong. Ron Paul is doctor and has had personal experience with addicts.I work in a State Hospital and jail for people suffering with addictions is not going to cure the problem. Find other methods of rehabilitation. And if ALL addicts should be jailed than why aren't we jailing drunks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8S8N2OG7sU

And surprise, surprise; we disagree on one more thing. Kerry and Gore worse than Bush? I don't believe so because the conservative movement would have pounced on Kerry and Gore at the first mis-step they took against our constitution. While Bush lured us in a false sense of security. I personally would rather see the kinife coming rather than being stabbed in the back. But hey, to each its own.

I am a voter that will never knowingly compromise with evil again.

Jake have a good night.

Here is a article that you may want to read:

"14 of 19 candidates support terrorism."

http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/06/13/14...pport-terrorism

Gods Bless,

Al

I've found out a long time ago that there's no use talking to a Ron Paul supporter, they tune out at will. He's voted for MULTIPLE bad bills, he needs to be put out to Texas pasture. And, yeah, Gore and Kerry would have been worse, amnesty would have passed under either of them, and then Hillary would have had a lock on 2008. But not now.

Paul supporters will tear down a Republican president and give the Democrats a pass. Why? From your link:



That's why all the Nazis support him, that's why he says absolutely nothing. That's why he'll NEVER get the GOP nomination, it'll be either Romney or Thompson (whew).

Ron Paul claims - falsely - that World War IV - the War on Terror - is an illegal war, so after he would order the immediate withdrawal of our troops, he wouldn't even consider taking any other action, much less carpet bombing those Muslim governments beyond all recognition. In other words, Ron Paul advocates and has repeatedly voted for surrendering to the terrorists. Since he is giving aid and comfort to our enemies in a time of war, he is committing treason under the definition contained in Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution.


Ron Paul is a cut-&-runner, which is why he is rather popular with all those who parrot the lefty "illegal war" mantra. I don't predict we'll see Mr Paul indulge his ego and run as a 3rd party candidate... if he does he will gather in all the young, impressionable anti-war, conspiracy theorists... so much the better... they never were on the rght side of the fence anyway... His ultimate effect will be to rob votes from the Dems. Which is the point, of course,

Go Mike, Fred, and Mitt!

Ah Jake. You didn't have time to read the link I posted, did you? You didn't even have time to view the you tube link. I am glad that you are interested in getting at the truth.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please keep digging beyond the surface for the truth. This country really can't abide us voting for the "lesser of two evils" again. So much damage has been done to Americans in the last 16 years. I just never want to hear my grand-children coming up to me and asking, "Granny tell us again, pleeze? What was freedom like? How did it feel? How did it taste?

Just keep on fighting the good fight for freedom for our future generations.

Gods Blessings,

Al

PS- Would you care you explain how the republicans have put a halt to illegals from entering this country. Please do tell.

Al

I read the link. He's a surrender monkey, we all knew that. I'm so glad this flake won't win.

The only thing Ron Paul is in charge of is Conspiracy Theories R Us.

And he thinks that's enough to qualify him to be president. That "voting for the lesser of two evils" is Paul parrot propogada, he has all his people thinking he and only he is out for "freedom".

But you can't keep a good zealot down, unlike his poll numbers. Let him go 3rd party and watch what they do him with his Nazi and KKK ties.

Go Mike, Mitt, and Fred!

Umm, I didn't think we were all surrender monkies. Oh well. Just for the record Ron Paul does not believe in conspiracy theories concerning 9-1-1.

I would advise you to calm down, after-all emotions never do win the day. You keep on forgetting to answer the pesky questions I posed to you. How has the republican party been instrumental in securing our borders? How has the Republican party fought against amnesty? And why do you believe that voting for candidates who take away just a little of our constitutional freedoms is okay? Please try to answer the questions honesty and without emotions. Jake, really: You sound like I did, three years ago. Always defending the party and never thinking about outcomes.

Please explain if you can, another candidate that is really working for the betterment in America. Can you please site your sources when you do? Thanks.

Good night Jake, sleep with the angels. Tomorrow is the day of shopping until I drop.

Gods Blessings,

Al

Why don't you cite me some sources that would help the dispute the insane image.?

You really think I'm that worried about that fringe five-percenter? LOL. You people need a deprogrammer, he wouldn't even vote to send troops down to the border FIVE SEPARATE TIMES. And with his anti-terrorist survelliance stance, you'd have NO idea who was here, he's WRONG again there, too. But that's normal for him to be on the wrong side of anything non-al queda.

Name three "freedoms" either Clinton or Bush have taken away from you. And why do you think Ron Paul is qualified to talk about anything besides "medical marijuana" (snort)?

Emotions CAN win the day, even your leader knows that, maybe he doesn't tell you everything. You live to spread his surrender gospel. He"s an isolationist and a libertarian...NOT for me. He looks hysterical in any of those debates, he gets booed and he should get booed.

He's disliked by Republicans so much because he's NOT one. His revolution will be a complete circle, he's a joke.

But Mike, Mitt, Or Fred, there's a real Republican. One that Bill Maher wouldn't like, nor the Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Jack,

That's not fair after-all I asked you first. Please respond or else I will understand that you have no response. If and when you respond to my questions, I shall do the same for your questions.

Please take your time and do the homework before you respond. And then all is fair in love and war, I shall respond to each question you asked me. Fair enough?

Al

No, you are the one who is pushing Ron Paul, you say why you support him. I've told you why I don't and won't, and how anybody is better than him. I don't see what you see in him at all.

You have the burden of proof, not me. I'd never vote for the guy at the end of street that mutters while he rakes his leaves, I'm not going to "do homework" to show why to some zealot.

Show me the answer in your homework to the question why he runs around with kooks and nutjobs.

I like Huckabee because he is a REAL man of God. Romney is okay, too, he is on the right side of every issue now, and his supporters aren't daft. Thompson was endorsed to NRLC, not the nutjob. Even Rudy is better than Ron Paul. The fool should be running 3rd party, but he'll take his $$$$ you give him and wimp out as susal, your loss.

The Republican Party can't stand him because he makes a fool out of himself at debates with his 'blowback" nonsense. Nobody else thinks that, except Alex Jones. It's garbage, Hillary is better on the war than he is.


NO WAY! GO MIKE, MITT, and Fred.

Jack,

Does this post look familiar? You can keep debataing but I have been asking questions, too. It's only fair that you try to answer my questions asked of you without glossing over them. I want to know, really want to know, why some people do not like Ron Paul. I really want to know how some people can presently be satisfied with how the Conservative party is run. BTW- Ron Paul numbers are growing.

I am glad that your not concerned with what you call our low numbers although you should be. I see either one of two things happening.

1. Ron Paul gets elected
or
2. A democrat gets elected.

Many Conservatives are really getting tired of the status quo.

Gods Blessings,

Al

PS-Bush supports the Law of the Sea Treaty which Reagan opposed. One of the many strikes against the Republican Party going into an election year. BTW- I wish our Conservative leaders were made of the same stock as Reagan.

Signing off,

A Reagan Conservative