I will now read the whole Quran because God is allmighty - I will with my own eyes read every word - to see if it is from GOD or from Satan - to judge if it is Good or Evil.

Because we see ourselves as Christians, and they see themselves as Muslims - but as they have people who spread falseness - so do we.

Now - you keep on praying the prayer in my signature - and in three days I shall be done, and will by the grace and mercy of God Judge if the book is from God or from Satan.

I've read it. It's well written and has some nice parts, but some parts are pretty blasphemous. Not a bad read though.

????????????????Read your Bible for that answer. I can see if your doing it for insight to their beliefs, I've read bits and pieces.

I have - and now I am reading the Quran - Because God is Allmighty - we are not.

I have now read the first 16 books in the Quran - and so far, I have found nothing wrong - the only difference is that this word must have been given to them by angles, because The "I" person is authoritive.

God is in control on both sides it seems.

I've read it, and am re-reading it. It's as boring as ANYTHING! And WAY, WAY, WAY off-base!

Boring? It is the most interesting thing I have been reading in years.

If the rest of the Quran is like the first 16 books, we as Christians should ask the muslims to forgive us for backtalking them.

Hm. Toga..., how well do you know the new partner you are dancing with?

I know my God and his Messenger Jesus Christ by heart and mind - And I will be able to tell right from wrong.

I have read 40 books now - And I have not find anything wrong in the Quran - nothing is twisted to suit another purpose - Satan is the Enemy of Islam - and Allah (Arabic for Allmighty God) is telling them the same things he has told us.

It is mention several times that to go to Heaven you will have to Fear God and follow his messenger (Messiah) and it states that Jesus is the Messiah.

To be frank - The Quran should indeed be a part of the Bible and the Bible should be in the Quran - they are not differently dividing - they are from the exact same source - the differense is:

Quran = Written by Angles and given to man, and after reading 40 of the books in the quran, I have no problem accepting that - I know the Bible very well, and I know also the Holy Spirit very well.

Bible = Written by Men inspired by God, Prophets, Diciples and God himself for the first part.

Quran = Arabic
Bible = Hebrew

God is indeed allmighty - and he want to make peace between the two brothers once and for all - and both Arabs and Hebrews and Christians have to go trugh the same path to heaven - Thrugh Messiah, Jesus Christ.

From what I have observed, knowing the Holy Bible very well - I am starting to believe that God have given his Gospel to all living people, after their own kind of people.

What God has divided he will bring together -

If the Muslims truly follow the teachings of the Quran - they will be saved and go to heaven, there is no doubt in my mind - and so will we if we follow the teachings of the Bible.

But those who follows the teachings of man, and ignores the Holy Word - he will go to hell.

So - we shall do what Jesus did - and live by the 10+2 commandments to be as virgins - and so must the Muslims do - it is in the quran - and the quran points to the Holy Bible for details.

The Quran must indeed be a revelation of the GOD kind - now, we should think about this.

I will keep on reading.

Sura 4:154-158 contains the following statement:
They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared, "We have put to death the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah. They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did.

Those who disagreed about him were in doubt concerning his death, for what they knew about it was sheer conjecture; they were not sure they had slain him. Allah lifted him up to his presence

These men deny the very God(Jesus) that gave you life. They deny his gospel. They deny the word Jesus says is truth.

1 John 2:18-27Warning Against Antichrists
18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[a] 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.
26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Everything you do is Against Satan and His spirits. You have obviously run into some Muslims in Israel. Just by listening to these lies you have opened the door to these spirits. This is the spirit of the Antichrist.
Galatians 1:6-9 (New International Version)
No Other Gospel
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
This is just another false gospel. This particular false gospel was written over 700 years after Jesus' life, and hundreds after this scripture was written. Do not fall for these lies.
And to hear you say that Christians should ask the muslim for forgivness is just plain blasphemy in my opinion. These murderers slaughter millions every year in the name of this false God. They round up all the christians they can in their surrounding areas and force them all to denounce JEsus and convert to Islam or die. Most of which my naive friend die.
Yes there are bad apples in every group. Even christians, but this does not negate the fact you are told by scripure to look for these false doctrine or be decieved by them.
I ask you togarma as a brother.
PLEASE PUT THE QURAN DOWN. PRAY TO YOUR SAVIOR ASKING HIM TO CLOSE OFF ANY DOORWAYS OPENED BY THIS ENDEAVOR INTO THE REALM OF SATAN, MAKE YOU CLEAN FROM ITS FILTHY TALONS IT IS TRYING TO GRAB YOU UP BY.
Take the power of the name of Jesus and rebuke and make separation from all the influencing spirits of the antichrist you have come in contact with, that in my opinion you picked up in Israel. You went to Israel with the intent of bring the message of Salvation to the mulsims and now you are checking out what their message is.
This book is a book of false Gods. This is no different than the false Idols that destroyed millions of gentiles and jews alike throughout history. I would also suggest removing it at once from your home, or you will be inviting more guest into your home than you would like to know about. These guest are the accompanying spirit of the lies that you are tinkering with.
It is no different than opening up a book on witchcraft. You are opening doors that are difficult to shut. Only with the name of JEsus Christ is this possible, and what you reap you will sow in this lifetime.
Galatians 6:7-8 (New International Version)
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature[a]will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Yes you may get rid of your guest but you will reap from what you sow. And right now you are sowing of the wrong spirit. To be specific the spirit of the antichrist. This you will reap.
BUt do not fear because Jesus will see you through it if you choose to return to the true gospel. This is his promise.

Yes - "they" did deny the truth - and "they" did say that Maria was a lier - she couldent be a virgin, jesus was not the son of God - now who are "they"?

"They" are those who don´t beleive in the Allmighty - but in their own flesh.

It will take you 24 hours to read the whole Quran - and I suggest you read it from cover to cover and let Gods Spirit show you if it is the truth or if it is false.


It will also take you about 30 hours to read the Holy Bible from cover to cover - so I suggest you read that as well, and show God some respect, so you might learn something you doesent know.

I have been preaching that Allah is satan because I have been listening to other Christian preachers who have proclaimed that. Now, I had never read the Quran, so I did not really know anything - but now that I am reading the Quran - I find nothing wrong in it - it is like a statement from above that the BIBLE is true, and the Quran is true - "they speak each others language"

It is not the God-fearing that is at war - it is the unbeleivers who are saying they are Christians, and Muslims and Jews when they are not.

If my observation is correct, then the Two witnesses of GOD can be The Bible Beleivers and the Islamic believers - they both answer to Abrahams God - they both beleive in the Messiah - they both fear God, and beleive in the everlasting punishment and the everlasting life - they both have to live by the word, and basicly do as the apostles and Jesus did - it is truly a small path.

But you don´t understand that yet, because you have not read the Quran believing that God works in mysterious ways.

We must be carefull who we judge - because God saves those who beleive in him, and fear him, and follow him - What do you really know about muslims? That they all are terrorists?

Now - if you don´t know what you are talking about, then shut up and read untill we can have a discussion on the whole matter.

I am for truth and against falseness - and I was conserned about the Muslims, I have friends I want to reach with the Gospel, so I will know what the Quran says - and I am saying, the Quran leads to God and Jesus, just as the Bible leads to God and Jesus.

They are our brothers and sisters - and we should treat them like brothers and sisters.

Who told us that we should hate them?

Togarma wrote: To be frank - The Quran should indeed be a part of the Bible and the Bible should be in the Quran - they are not differently dividing - they are from the exact same source - the differense is:

Quran = Written by Angles and given to man, and after reading 40 of the books in the quran, I have no problem accepting that - I know the Bible very well, and I know also the Holy Spirit very well./quote

My jaw almost hit the floor.....

Why on earth would God need Angels to write down a book, give it to man, when we have all we need in the Bible? That is wrong on so many levels. It doesn't make any sense.

It seems these people you are witnessing to over there have done the talking.

I have never heard that they say Jesus is the Messiah. I thought they only consider him a prophet, or great teacher. If they believed he is the Messiah, they would be looking for him to come back, not allowing the slaughter of thousands of people that don't believe what they do, to pave the way for their "messiah."

Please seek out the Lord on this matter. And test the spirits. This a dangerous game you are getting involved in.

They do not believe JEsus is the Son of God. They do not believe Jesus as God. They do not even believe you are Saved and born again.
And for you to tell people on a Christian forum to shut up when they are defending their faith against the worst persecutors out there has really dispointed me for you togarma.
You say you have read the bible and believe. But just what you type here yourself is contradictory to what the very word of God says.
I do know much about Muslims. I did not just meet them on my recent trip like you. I have worked for them, still talk to many of them. In fact I Have at least 7 or 8 on my cell on the other end with the push of a button. I have sat down with Imams from my area and discussed these things. I have spent hours with my muslim friends discussing what you cannot take from the Quran. You for one are reading an English when there are simply not accurate words for some of the most important arabic words used.
Do not get angry with me. What I tell you I say because I have been there and done that, and it is not worth the spiritual attacks that come along with messing with the spirit of the Antichrist.
For your own bible to say that ANYONE(including muslims) who denies Jesus as The Son of God, and His Deity are ANTICHRIST.
This is the very essence of Islam.
Muhammed himself did not even believe the "angel" that was physically crushing him. He himself thought it to be a demon or Satan but it was his wife that convinced him it was an angel of God.
This angel physically on top of him bearing down all his weight on him, and threatened to kill him if he did not obey. Wow this is not our God at all. our God has no reason to threaten a man with physical death, when is is our God who died for us, so that even in death we might live.
If you want more then let me know. You are pushing buttons that should be left alone by christians. IT is one thing to learn the basics of another faith so as to able to witness correctly. But to bring their "holy book" into your home and set it beside as an equal to the very one it denies is just ridiculous.
I am sorry my friend you have found yourself in the path of this evil, deceiving spirit.I will pray for your protection tonight.
God Bless ETC

Whew brother.... you are certainly messing with fire! You are in my prayers! May the Lord open your eyes to the Truth!

Your Friend in Christ,
Val

Messiahiscoming

This was certainly eye-opening, and I don't mean that in a good way. If you're going to argue that the Koran references the Bible, then so does the Book of Mormon, but that doesn't make it the inspired word of God. Mixing the Bible and Koran is like mixing oil and water, it can't be done. Here's some verses from the Koran that prove my point:

"They say, 'Accept the Jewish or the Christian faith and you shall be rightly guided.' Say, 'By no means! We believe in the faith of Abraham, the upright one. He was no idolater.'" (Surah 2:135)

"They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. they declared: 'We have put to death the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of God.' they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did...they did not slay him for certain. God lifted him up to him..." (Surah 4:157-158)


"The Jews and Christians say: 'We are the children of God and His loved ones.' Say: 'Why then does He punish you for your sins?" (Surah 5:18)


"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)

"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)

"'How shall I bear a child,' she [Mary] answered, 'when I am a virgin...?' 'Such is the will of the Lord,' he replied. 'That is no difficult thing for Him...God forbid that He [God[ Himself should beget a son!...Those who say: 'The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,' preach a monstrous falsehood..." (Surah 19:20-21, 29, 88-89)


"NEVER DID ALLAH TAKE TO HIMSELF A SON, and never was there with him any (other) god . . ." (Sura 23:91)


"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)

Please, please, please, stop. Play with fire, and you're going to get burned!

OK. As soon as the Moslems ask forgiveness for murdering over 100 of my personal acquaintances. As soon as they ask forgiveness for throwing open the doors for our School for Deaf Children in Liberia, and machine-gunning 42 people (Only one student survived; a little girl who lived by laying still in the blood of her classmates, and two teachers lived by jumping out the windows. By the way, I'm NOT EVEN COUNTING THESE 42 PEOPLE IN MY 'OVER 100' murdered by Moslems, because I was not personally acquainted with the people at the school)!

You have said Glorious Khoran should be in the Bible, and that the Bible should be in Glorious Khoran, as they are perfectly compatible. I must say that is a most extraordinary thing to believe!

How can the Bible and Glorious Khoran be compatible? The Bible says Jesus was the Son of God, and Glorious Khoran says God has no son.....(although you will find out in Moslem doctrine that Allah DOES have four daughters, oddly enough!).

The Bible teaches the Deity of Jesus, and Glorious Khoran denies His Deity.

The Bible says "God is Love," but in Islam, of the '1,000 names of Allah,' one does not find 'love' among them!

God has made us His SONS, but in Islam you can never be more than Allah's 'slave' ("abd" as in "Abdul").

You simply can't believe both books, and claim to have a good knowledge of both books; not and have even a most tenuous tie to rationality.

Still, I recommend every Christian READ THE KHORAN. You will be stunned how different it is compared to the holy book of any other religion on earth.

Still, in all fairness I need to add that in all my personal dealings with Moslems, I have never had a single Moslem cheat me, lie to me, or even behave any way but as a perfect gentleman; and I CANNOT say the same for every Christian I've ever had dealings with!

PS: Make sure the translation you're reading (unless you read Arabic, of course!) is AT LEAST 30 YEARS OLD. All the newer ones have been GREATLY SOFTENED for the consumption of Western audiences......

You have certainly vindicated the few people who told you that you were a nut job. You have left a lot of embarassed people who endorsed your ministry and encouraged your expensive jaunt to Israel. How ironic. You went their breathing fire and brimstone how Allah was the devil and how you were going to convert Muslims and instead they have converted you. What are you going to do with all that flour and oil you have stashed away at home.

To say that the Koran has the truth and is compatible with Christianity is so deluded that I am almost speechless that anybody could think that. You are an unstable man Togarma. Go back to church and obey the teachers and minister there and devote yourself in service in the Lord. You must understand your limitations. You are simply not equipped to tackle the rigours of preaching the gospel and evaluating scriptures and doctrines. Go back to being simple Togarma and be content to be a smiling and happy face at your local church. There is no shame in that. Not all are called to be teachers and missionaries and prophets. I implore you to go home and forget this mind explosion that you have had here and go back to church in Norway. Place yourself under the authority of the ministers there and you will be OK. Continue along this path and you will blow yourself up with no help from the Muslim.

Greetings Togarma:

Well, you certainly touch off an firestorm with your new-found beliefs about the Koran. I can respect the fact that you want to better understand the Moslems so you can preached the gospel better to them and I do think that it's quite commendable. I also have no problem with you reading it either to educate yourself of their mindset. However, to put the Koran on equal footing, being compatible with the Bible, is simply sickening repugdnant, to put it as mildly as possible. You do need to repent from that line of the thinking and I rebuke you in Joshua's name. I still get that sick feeling inside of my gut whenever I see that pic of Pope John Paul II kissing the Koran in the presence of a acknowledged terrorist, Yasser Arafat, and don't get me started on that either.

Sincerely yours,

Wendy

I will pray for the Lord Jesus Christ to place His Truths upon your heart.
This may be a trial that the Lord has placed at your feet. Will you use your earthly mind or will you turn your will over to Jesus and listen for His words to be placed in you?

Blessings to you..

Glory to GOD - The Allmighty.!!!!

I have now read about 3/4 of the Quran, and this is my take on it so far:

The Quran is not a Bible, but it is not against the Bible - It is more like a judgement-day description, and It is from the same God as our God that is in total control of the Quran.

Now the Bible on the other hand is like a human dictionary and as an instruction-book, (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) - it is like a Map and a Compass

Bible = Map
Quran = Compass

Man - we should give them our Bible, and they should give us their Quran - Look - I am telling the truth, Read it for yourselves - It is Map and Compass - Map and Compass - They Go together like hand in a glowe.

Bible = Instruction Book
Quran = Criteria

God - Kill me now if I am telling them a Lie - Please LORD - Raise up 4 truthfully God-Believing Christians that can confirm what I have found - that will Read the Quran

Forget Jew-Christian-Muslim-Orthodox-Pentecostal-Sunni-Shiah - It is the two books - We must follow the commandments and repent totally - Judgementday is upon us, and most of us are not ready.

It is not the Devils Manual - Someone have told us a lie - Check it for yourselves, and speak the truth.


Edit: My God - It is the Religion of Ishmael - Isaacs half brother - God have mercy enough for them both.

Look:

Genesis 17: 18 And Abraham said to God, "Oh that Ishmael might live before You!" 19 But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year."

They hold the Compass, We hold the Map

Isac + Ishmael = Abraham = Truth

I am not telling a Lie - It is Map and Compass!

Well I must agree with some other posters . You went to Israel to take the gospel there, but you landed up being "evangelized" by them

How was that so easy a thing to do?

I cannot stress enough that Christians should be grounded in the Word. As God tells us that THAT is the Way to Him, if we start ADDING , even it is another book and crediting GOD with the writing of the other one as well, we should know that we have been deceived.

You are in danger.

You are leaving your first Love.


Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman.
Gal 4:23 Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
Gal 4:25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children. Gal 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
(this scripture actually has FAR deeper meaning , but it might give you some thought.)

We are from the free woman.

Sorry, their book can be nicely written, but God did not write it. If He had a hand in it, He would not tell us not to add or subtract to His Word.




C

Be careful what version you read of the Quran. Since Israel became a nation... some have tampered with the writings for political advantage.
bananna

Paul said that if anyone present another gospel message than the gospel they
have given them then let them be accursed, whether it be of man or of Angels!

I would say that there is nothing useful in the Koran, they do not recognise Jesus as
Lord and Saviour as believers of Christ do.

One should stick to the truth, which is Jesus. I AM the truth the WAY the LIFE, no man
cometh onto the Father accept by me.

I would say Paul's words just about says it all.

Thunder

And you are right - Because the Quran points to the Bible - And the Bible confirms the Quran also:
Deut 18 (KJV)

[17] And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
[18] I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
[19] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
[20] But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
[21] And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
[22] When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.


It is the Propheth of Ishmaels tribe - Abrahams first son.

Now don´t be sad they have the Quran - It points to God, to the commandments, and it confirms for them that the Bible is true, so that the Arabs know that God will forgive them for Ishmaels sin.

God is Awesome - Islam is not for us, but for them - and God is in Control Quran is like the compass that gives them true evidence of the Bibles origin, and that God is in control so that they will repent to him and live as he commands.

And it only makes sense that the Quran should be written by Angels (It was given to Mohammed from the Angel Gabriel) - now, we did not care to think it was true for a second - but if Islam should be a sinfull religion, why would it stand the fade of time? It has become stronger over time - not weaker.

God is in total control.

i got a pair of old sneakers that have gotten stronger over time...and believe me, they are not of God...

you are out of control dude

No one says we should hate muslims...but I have read Qu'ran also which version are you reading? there three authorized english translations of the Qu'ran

A muslims concept of Jesus as Messiah is very different than what the Bible teaches. They do indeed deny the crucifixion and His deity. Ask any muslim and they will tell you that "allah has no son!"

Here is Shakir version I have notes on. I have problem with all these teachings---

1. Allah causes error and vain desires...

4.119": And most certainly I will lead them astray and excite in them vain desires, and bid them so that they shall slit the ears of the cattle, and most certainly I will bid them so that they shall alter Allah's creation; and whoever takes the Shaitan for a guardian rather than Allah he indeed shall suffer a manifest loss.

"6.39": And they who reject Our communications are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness; whom Allah pleases He causes to err and whom He pleases He puts on the right way.

"7.178": Whomsoever Allah guides, he is the one who follows the right way; and whomsoever He causes to err, these are the losers.

7.186": Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him; and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on.

14.4": And We did not send any apostle but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly; then Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

The Bible teaches God does not lie or lead us astray nor does he tempt us to do evil w/ vain desires.

2. Denies crucifixion of Christ...acnklowldges only His ascension.

"4.156": And for their unbelief and for their having uttered against Marium a grievous calumny.
"4.157": And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
4.158": Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

3. Jesus is only an Apostle

4.171": O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

5.75": The Messiah, son of Marium is but an apostle; apostles before him have indeed passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat food. See how We make the communications clear to them, then behold, how they are turned away.

18.4": And warn those who say: Allah has taken a son.

The Bible clearly teaches Jesus is NOT just a mere apostle but is the Son of the living God.

4. Pagan sacrifice still okay

5.2": O you who believe! do not violate the signs appointed by Allah nor the sacred month, nor (interfere with) the offerings, nor the sacrificial animals with garlands, nor those going to the sacred house seeking the grace and pleasure of their Lord; and when you are free from the obligations of the pilgrimage, then hunt, and let not hatred of a people -- because they hindered you from the Sacred Masjid -- incite you to exceed the limits, and help one another in goodness and piety, and do not help one another in sin and aggression; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

5.97": Allah has made the Kaaba, the sacred house, a maintenance for the people, and the sacred month and the offerings and the sacrificial animals with garlands; this is that you may know that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, and that Allah is the Knower of all things.

the Bible teaches that animal sacrifice is no longer necessary. and this had nothing to do w/atonement for sin. See here:

The blood of the sacrificial animals brought by the pilgrims was offered to the deities in the Kaba and sometimes even human beings were sacrificed and offered to the god... Besides idol-worship, they also worshipped the stars, the sun and the moon." (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)


5. Gnostic Gospel borrowing?

5.110": When Allah will say: O Isa son of Marium! Remember My favor on you and on your mother, when I strengthened you I with the holy Spirit, you spoke to the people in the cradle and I when of old age, and when I taught you the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel; and when you determined out of clay a thing like the form of a bird by My permission, then you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission, and you healed the blind and the leprous by My permission; and when you brought forth the dead by My permission; and when I withheld the children of Israel from you when you came to them with clear arguments, but those who disbelieved among them said: This is nothing but clear enchantment.

The story of Jesus making clay birds as a child comes from the Gospel of Infancy(which is false).

6. Live by the sword..kill and destroy, burn, etc.

3.151": We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust

"4.56": (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

"4.89": They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

5.33": The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

7.4": And how many a town that We destroyed, so Our punishment came to it by night or while they slept at midday.

17.16": And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.

7.182": And (as to) those who reject Our communications, We draw them near (to destruction) by degrees from whence they know not.

8.12": When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

7. Curses Chrstians(ie People of the Book)

4.50": See how they forge the lie against Allah, and this is sufficient as a manifest sin.
"4.51": Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in idols and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: These are better guided in the path than those who believe.
"4.52": Those are they whom Allah has cursed, and whomever Allah curses you shall not find any helper for him.

5.60": Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed(unbelievers) and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.

it teaches christians and Jews are Apes and Swine! Hello? And you think this does not contratdict God?

Man created from a seed or clay?


"16.3": He created the heavens and the earth with the truth, highly exalted be He above what they associate (with Him).
"16.4": He created man from a small seed and lo! he is an open contender.

15.25": And surely your Lord will gather them together; surely He is Wise, Knowing.
"15.26": And certainly We created man of clay that gives forth sound, of black mud fashioned in shape.


Sorry Tog I totally disagree... Qu'ran is not holy...and by the way paganism is referenced in Qu'ran see here:

Near it is the Garden of Abode. Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!) (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong! For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat? These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for. What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female? Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair! (an-Najm Surah 53:19-22)

Al-'Uzza, al-Lat and Manah, the three daughters of Allah, had their sanctuaries in the land which later became the cradle of Islam. In a weak moment the monotheistic Muhammad was tempted to recognize these powerful deities of Makkah and al-Madinah and make a compromise in their favour, but afterwards he retracted and the revelation is said to have received the form now found in surah 53:19-20. Later theologians explained the case according to the principle of nasikh and mansukh, abrogating and abrogated verses, by means of which God revokes and alters the announcements of His will; this results in the cancellation of a verse and the substitution of another for it (Koran 2 :100). (History Of The Arabs, Philip K. Hitti, 1937, p 96-101)

Woman with stork wings.. isn't that found somehwere in the Bible? Zecheriah 5....maybe you should read it.

Never mind - it is not for you guys to know about.

As I have said - I find nothing wrong in the Quran - and nothing wrong in the Bible.

God promissed them a propheth, they got Mohammed - and what Mohammed gave them was the Quran he had received for his people by the Angel Gabriel.

Now I beleive they did - and I have read it - it is a compass which points to the Bible - confirming for the tribe of Ishmael that they also will receive salvation - but they have to read the Bible for details to get it.

Please don´t be a hinder to those who want to see the truth - there are many muslims out there who has not yet read the Bible which the Quran points to - so don´t be judgemental - God is in control of what he is doing.

You guys should shut up and read more before you throw rocks.

You want to know why my friend the Quran has and even mentions parts of the bible.
Muhammed once he recieved his visit from this angel(which he thought a demon) he wanted to consider himself a prophet in the line or Jewish prophets. THe moment he was rejected by the Jews, he then has a change in attitude toward hate for the jews and christians.
This is why you will find two main attitudes in the writing of the Quran. Notice the first is where we find the prospects about peace. Then later in his writings (after the rejection) he changed his position to that of aggressor. After being rejected and realized his message would not be accepted by the jews or christian(because it is a lie, and event ridiculous in some points) he then turned to the conquering attitude. We decided what he could not do properly he would do by force. This is why in the later writing things change for the "people of the book"(christians and jews). If the early churches and JEws knew better than to adopt this false writing, then take these great leaders examples and stay away from false spirit.
We are told to test the spirit. This screams spirit of the antichrist as told by John. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease see what your loving brothers and sisters are warning you about. If you continue this path you are considered a double minded man and this is not good in the eyes of the God who gave you life.
If you continue preaching what you preach this.
I have to say you would not be a Christian, but a muslim. I can assure you there is a difference, and you will know this if you opened your eyes to more than that false book you've glued your eyes and heart to.
In love my brother. I love you as I would my very own brother. Awaken Please!

I am awake - it is all of you who is sleeping.

You only read what you want to read.
You only beleive what you want to beleive.
You only speak what other have spoken.

You do not know nothing - you have not read it.


I was looking into the Quran to find lies - I found no lies - and I am not going to make a Lie by telling that there is Lies in the Quran - I read it - I found no lies.

Now, Am I stupid? Ignorant? Non-Christian?

No - I am very much a True Christian - I keep the 10 commandments - I don´t break them - I teach the 10 commandments - I live by the word - do you?

I have accepted Jesus as Messiah - and I beleive every word of the Holy Bible - don´t you doubt that.

Now - As I have said many times now - The Quran is a compass - not a map - please know the difference - and know that the Quran is for the people of Ismael - not Isac.

Try and live by the word - teach the word and stay on it - and quit arguing when your arguments have no root in the truth.

I wanted to find lies in the Quran - I did not find it - and I am not going to make a lie to suit your oppinion.


Now - I have read it - and I know what I have read, I have read it in my own language - and I found nothing wrong in it.

Just more details to what I allready knew from the Bible - It is a compass - not the map - but trust me, the Arabs need their compass - or else they would be lost.

Don´t trust me - read it yourselves and see if I am telling the truth - I am telling the truth.

Tell me togarma what do you have to say about the fact that John says that any man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist. 1 John 2
He also goes on to say that Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist-he denies the father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the son has the father also.

Instead of giving you scriptures and you just ingnoring them. You tell me what you think about this scripture. Because the Quran denies the Son, therefore denies the Father. What can you say to justify your new beliefs.
How can this be of the Father when the bible says they have not the Father if they deny the Son as the Christ. Notice it does not say whoever denies Jesus. He Said SON, whoever denies that jesus is the son, has not the Father. Where is your truth for this.

And I say this not out of anger, but when you tell the christian members on a christian forum to shut up so you can promote Islam I say this to you. Go somewhere else to destroy the faith of infant christians. Do not bring this evil here. Do not bring the spirit of the antichrist here with your teachings. I have had high hopes for you because you first showed love for your God. Now you are spitting in Jesus' face.
I will pray for you because you are in deep my friend. You had better take up the name of Jesus and demand these influencing spirits to leave.
So you know no learned christians would agree with you, only muslims because they have been taught lies.
In fact their is a term in Islam(I will find it, because I cannot remember it) but it allows a muslim to lie if it benefits Islam. I will find this. BUt from what I see you have blocked the Holy spirit from guiding you and have allow a spirit called a demon to do some leading. Take up your sword and take back your life before it is consumed in this fire.

Yeah, I have read it and the whole religion is like the Mormons...some guy thinks he gets a divine revelation from God, so he needs to write another book. The Book of Revelations says woe unto them who adds or takes away from this Book. Any religion who adds another book and has sex in the afterlife is a false religion. Jesus said to the Pharisees that no one is given in marriage or is married in the afterlife and that we are like the angels. Angels are neither male or female. We are created for eternity to worship and serve God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit....not to have sexual encounters with virgins, not to live on the earth and procreate. It is a lie of the devil to get our minds on our physical needs and not on the Lord.

ETC said:

"And I say this not out of anger, but when you tell the christian members on a christian forum to shut up so you can promote Islam I say this to you. Go somewhere else to destroy the faith of infant christians. Do not bring this evil here. Do not bring the spirit of the antichrist here with your teachings. I have had high hopes for you because you first showed love for your God. Now you are spitting in Jesus' face.
I will pray for you because you are in deep my friend. You had better take up the name of Jesus and demand these influencing spirits to leave.
So you know no learned christians would agree with you, only muslims because they have been taught lies.
In fact their is a term in Islam(I will find it, because I cannot remember it) but it allows a muslim to lie if it benefits Islam. I will find this. BUt from what I see you have blocked the Holy spirit from guiding you and have allow a spirit called a demon to do some leading. Take up your sword and take back your life before it is consumed in this fire."

Very true. Islam is openly more "antichrist" than any other main stream religion including apostate Christianity. I can see Satan's footprints all over it. And its adherents, particularly in the Middle East, are the direct and most pronounced enemies of national Israel. Why do you think? Does the Bible concur? No question about it.

Togarma,
Please, for yourself and the sake of your family..please be still before the Lord and earnestly pray for the Truth about this. Do not just formulate a rebuttal or reason...get off the computer right now...close yourself off from everything and pray to the Lord.. to first...forgive you of your sins...ones that you're aware of and unaware...ask the Holy Spirit to guide you as you humbly ask the Lord to bring you the truth about the Quaran. Just try it...please..it's not much to ask. Go with an open heart..not closed against the thought that you may have been led down the wrong path. I've had my fleshly ego stand in my way before...It would have been a lot smoother had I broken down my walls before the Lord first..instead of Him knocking them down.

Please pray about this.
Praying for you..
Lisa

Good advice for Tog.

Beautiful beautiful advice, Lisa.

I stand in agreement to your prayers.

I am not meaning this in a bad way what so ever but I feel we should all pray not only for this person for all who are dabbing into this stuff.
It is really on my heart to pray for this person but I know there are more than Tog that is searching for answers. Lets join in.
Kim

Thank you for your kind prayers.

I am telling the truth.

If you don´t beleive me - then get off this track.

If you beleive me - then read the Quran - and let us have an adult christian debate on how to harwest all the millions of muslims who are waiting for the TRUTH.

The Quran is only a compass - they need the Bible to understand the Quran - now - We have that BIBLE they NEED.


I am talking Salvation here - If you have been praying for salvation, here is the chance for you to start a salvation - start by turning your life over to God completely, follow the Ten Commandments because you Love Jesus - and go to all you have done wrong against and ask forgiveness - then Jesus has died for your sins and you are free to go.

But if you beleive Jesus died so you could live your life as your body wish - then, hell is a sad place to spend eternity.

Jesus died so that you could turn over your life to God - but look at you all - judgemental people - a sad sight for sore eyes - most of you live as you lust for - spending your time thinking mostly of your selfish needs.

If you truly want to follow Jesus - then sell all you don´t need - or sell everything you don´t need - and start blessing people with your earthly belongings - lets see how that works out for you - God is a blessing to those who bless - and he is a judge against those who judge.

It is time for you to understand that God is in control over all the spoken languages of the world - he messed up our languages to test us - giving everyone a guide to the Holy Bible.

Now you go and give what you have received - and you will be blessed - The muslims are listening to every word of the Bible - and if they don´t know about Jesus of the Bible - then you read it and explain so that they do understand.

God have given them the Quran - this is an easy mission.

I feel the quran is not my compass. Only God is. I spent along time to get to where I am at and I am not going to read a cult book.

I can read any post I want and I am pleading with you to understand where we are going coming from on this.
Kim

I do understand what you're doing...but you are treading on a very dangerous road. Maybe you're prepared for it and maybe you're not. Only the Lord knows. I wouldn't even want to claim that I KNOW where your heart is. All I know is what you've allowed us to see in your posts. I believe the Lord can use anything He wants to bring people to Him...but...you must shine your armour. You are dabbling with very strong spirits...clever..deceptive...sounding sooo close to the truth that only the Lord Himself could have placed it in their hands. But...the ONLY truth is the bible. The compass you are calling the Quran is not in the bible. YOU are the compass..not the Quran. If this is truly your mission to help bring Muslim people to the Lord...then you must..please...as my brother in Christ, take the time I asked of you in my last post. If this is your calling...then the Lord will give you the tools to protect yourself. I know you're excited about this..and that's good...just make sure you are wise and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you instead of guiding yourself..there is a fine line.

Praying for you....
Lisa

So Believe me then.

We are holding the Bible against the Muslims - We are standing in their way of receiving the Word of God - Because we are fighting with them when we holds the Truth they want so deeply.

If you are from America, you will soon be slaves on other peoples land - you will be dragged out from there - finding your people you left in Norway when you white folks went over there to find your "American dream" from Sweeden and Scotland and Europe - You have mixed blood - and have become Babylon - and from you comes the movies we watch, the news we watch, the tv-series we watch - you are polluting the whole world - and look how we drink from what America is giving back to us.

See how she have become - See how she has polluted the rest of the world with her lies and agression.

Say: The Dollar is our God - We trust in the Dollar - The Dollar trust in God - We are saved by the Dollar!

Well - Scream for your Dollar - for America is falling - the whole world is shaking - The Time has come for you to leave - God has something against America - Look at the weather he has sent you.

You have upset GOD - What did you do wrong America? You big proud Eagle - You that came to us and said "Ev´riting is bigger over th´ere" - Look how you have become a disgrace to the world - Look how the world follows you.

You will perish - And you will Die - Judgement is upon you state by state - And believe me - It is Truth!

So Turn to God the Allmighty on your Knees America - For God will destroy you - and who can stand his wrath? It has been prophesied - Fallen, Fallen is Babylon the Great - But God has a better plan for those who follows him.

I repeat: God has a better plan for those who follows him!!!



Now - Do as you have been told by your parents parents - or in sunday school - Give to those who need it - do not give dollars - buy them a meal - and sit down and teach them the Truth!

God will know what you are doing - Give the Gospel to everyone you meet - And be aware that God holds secret you don´t know.

He knows everything.

If you love Jesus ---- Be Virgin - ---- Be pure - ------ Do as he said ----


Say: I Love you Jesus - I repent, I follow from now, everything you said - I will keep your commandments, and I will be a blessing for everyone who seek me - and if noone seeks me, i will go out and find someone I can bless - Because God will bless those who bless.

Please understand that I am not lying - I know some details you don´t know or beleive in yet - But I live a true life - and I keep the commandments - and if I can do that - me that is just a human - not Jesus, then I suppose everyone can do it - and so should you live your life.

Wake up the Virgins!

So I will die because I live in the United States? Did you find this in the Koran too?

Mark 16:1515He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation.
This says that the bible will be preached in ALL the world. That includes the arab lands which by the way are not but a stone throw away from where these words were spoken by JEsus Himself.
You say God has given different ethnics books, based on their language, but JEsus says there is only this gospel and this will be preached in ALL the world. Why would he lie. Why would he say this to only give a whole other book, that denies what he claims over 700 years later. Do you think mabey He was worried the bible just wasn't enough. or what
Please answer the question. You have yet to answer these questions. I am not trying to fight. I sincerely want to know your perspective on these. Because you say you know more than you have shared, and secrets that we don't yet know. Please tell me why would jesus do this.
Why would he not give another to the eskimos, or indians, or vikings, or japanees, or samolians. WHy just this one extra book to the arabs 700 years later that denies who He claimed to be, what he came to do, and everything that is essential to the christian faith?
This compass as you call it. Is it only for the arabs, because it has been well documented that the original caliphes say the only true version is that of Arabic and it must stay in arabic. Why then would are Lord and Savior bring about a book or be a compass for the world that only you can read in arabic, and denies that he is your Lord and Savior, but claims he is only a man, a prophet.

Yes of course we are the Great SAtan and Israel is the little Satan.
Just ask any Shiite.

togarma yes it is obvious you have been reading the koran -"you will die". Ummm excuse me If any thing the US has been trying to follow Europe with her secular "openess". We picked up alot of bad habits while over there saving your behinds from Hitler. I know...Ill pack up and move to Amsterdam. Im sure ill be safe there among the muslims. I can study my Bible between smoking hash and picking up prostitutes. The whole reason we left Europe was it was corrupt. Oh and I guess G. BUSH bombed the Cole,and he took hostages in Iran,and turned his back on the Jewish people while they were being exterminated-oh wait,that was you guys.

Okey - I will answer your question - so please read it carefully, and give it a little time to also sink in.

The answer is a long Biblical story, so read carefully and please try to stay on track:



Gen.11
[1] And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
[2] And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there.
[3] And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter.
[4] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
[5] And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
[6] And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
[7] Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
[8] So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
[9] Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
[10] These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
[11] And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
[12] And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
[13] And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
[14] And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
[15] And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
[16] And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
[17] And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
[18] And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
[19] And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
[20] And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
[21] And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
[22] And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
[23] And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
[24] And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
[25] And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
[26] And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
[27] Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot.



[28] And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees.
[29] And Abram and Nahor took them wives: the name of Abram's wife was Sarai; and the name of Nahor's wife, Milcah, the daughter of Haran, the father of Milcah, and the father of Iscah.
[30] But Sarai was barren; she had no child.
[31] And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
[32] And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.
Gen.12


[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[4] So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.


[5] And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.
[6] And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
[7] And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
[8] And he removed from thence unto a mountain on the east of Bethel, and pitched his tent, having Bethel on the west, and Hai on the east: and there he builded an altar unto the LORD, and called upon the name of the LORD.
[9] And Abram journeyed, going on still toward the south.
[10] And there was a famine in the land: and Abram went down into Egypt to sojourn there; for the famine was grievous in the land.
[11] And it came to pass, when he was come near to enter into Egypt, that he said unto Sarai his wife, Behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman to look upon:
[12] Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they shall say, This is his wife: and they will kill me, but they will save thee alive.
[13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
[14] And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.
[15] The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house.
[16] And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.
[17] And the LORD plagued Pharaoh and his house with great plagues because of Sarai Abram's wife.
[18] And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
[19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.
[20] And Pharaoh commanded his men concerning him: and they sent him away, and his wife, and all that he had.
Gen.13
[1] And Abram went up out of Egypt, he, and his wife, and all that he had, and Lot with him, into the south.
[2] And Abram was very rich in cattle, in silver, and in gold.
[3] And he went on his journeys from the south even to Bethel, unto the place where his tent had been at the beginning, between Bethel and Hai;
[4] Unto the place of the altar, which he had made there at the first: and there Abram called on the name of the LORD.
[5] And Lot also, which went with Abram, had flocks, and herds, and tents.
[6] And the land was not able to bear them, that they might dwell together: for their substance was great, so that they could not dwell together.
[7] And there was a strife between the herdmen of Abram's cattle and the herdmen of Lot's cattle: and the Canaanite and the Perizzite dwelled then in the land.
[8] And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.
[9] Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.
[10] And Lot lifted up his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the LORD destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the LORD, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.
[11] Then Lot chose him all the plain of Jordan; and Lot journeyed east: and they separated themselves the one from the other.
[12] Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom.
[13] But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
[14] And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
[15] For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
[16] And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
[17] Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.
[18] Then Abram removed his tent, and came and dwelt in the plain of Mamre, which is in Hebron, and built there an altar unto the LORD.
Gen.14
[1] And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;
[2] That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.
[3] All these were joined together in the vale of Siddim, which is the salt sea.
[4] Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled.
[5] And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
[6] And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.
[7] And they returned, and came to En-mishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites that dwelt in Hazezon-tamar.
[8] And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar;) and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
[9] With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.
[10] And the vale of Siddim was full of slimepits; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and fell there; and they that remained fled to the mountain.
[11] And they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah, and all their victuals, and went their way.
[12] And they took Lot, Abram's brother's son, who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.
[13] And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eschol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.
[14] And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.
[15] And he divided himself against them, he and his servants, by night, and smote them, and pursued them unto Hobah, which is on the left hand of Damascus.
[16] And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people.
[17] And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale.
[18] And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
[19] And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
[20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
[21] And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
[22] And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,
[23] That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:
[24] Save only that which the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men which went with me, Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.
Gen.15
[1] After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward.
[2] And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
[3] And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
[4] And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.
[5] And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
[6] And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
[7] And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.
[8] And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?
[9] And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
[10] And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
[11] And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
[12] And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
[13] And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
[14] And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
[15] And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
[16] But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
[17] And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
[18] In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
[19] The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
[20] And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
[21] And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
Gen.16
[1] Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar.
[2] And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
[3] And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
[4] And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes.
[5] And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
[6] But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.
[7] And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.
[8] And he said, Hagar, Sarai's maid, whence camest thou? and whither wilt thou go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai.
[9] And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.
[10] And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
[b][11] And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
[12] And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
[13] And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?
[14] Wherefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.
[15] And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
[16] And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
Gen.17
[1] And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
[2] And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
[3] And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
[4] As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
[5] Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
[6] And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
[7] And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
[8] And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
[9] And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
[10] This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
[11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
[12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
[13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
[15] And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.
[16] And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
[17] Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
[18] And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
[19] And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
[20] And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
[21] But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
[22] And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
[23] And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.
[24] And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
[25] And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
[26] In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.
[27] And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.
Gen.18
[1] And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
[2] And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
[3] And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
[4] Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
[5] And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
[6] And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
[7] And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
[8] And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
[9] And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
[10] And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
[11] Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.
[12] Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
[13] And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
[14] Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
[15] Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
[16] And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
[17] And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
[18] Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
[19] For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
[20] And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
[21] I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
[22] And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.
[23] And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
[24] Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
[25] That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
[26] And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
[27] And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
[28] Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
[29] And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
[30] And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I wil