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Miki
I believe the Lord has begun to give me a word l don't want to hear...
Well, I do want to hear but it's making me cringe.

On another topic on this forum some men were talking about meditation and eastern thought. http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=13202 Martial arts entered into the subject. I couldn't find a series of articles l sent my son, as he is into martial arts offered through his Christian college.

Just then the Lord spoke a word into my spirit.

"Is it OK to dance with a whore if you don't have intercourse"? to which l quickly added (inspired by the Spirit) After all she dances well and l want to teach my kids...

Some years back the Lord gave me a similar word through a vision. It had to do with the Catholic Church. Here's a portion of that from Jan of 2006.

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I saw the man walking hand and hand with a prostitute along tourist row...saying with a proud, haughty voice "Well all have sinned."

What does it mean? I had this vision during a discussion about the Catholic Church...I don't think this is only about the Catholic Church.

When we cross bridges into the community (The love of Jesus is the bridge) to witness and walk along side people for awhile it's good. I believe we have grown lax and have in fact taken the hand of the one being witnessed to on their turf. And instead of exhorting the ways of the Lord we have justified their behavior.


In this string..."Meditation an Oxymoron" God began to reveal to me the progression from holding hands to dancing..(Dancing was related to eastern meditation and the martial arts).

I wrote as he was showing me the Dragon Dance and then Dancing with Wolves. Dancing with Wolves, as most of you know, is a movie about a man who has a wolf as a spirit guide.

We're getting romantically involved with some of these things...Rationalizing. Go to the string and you will find a further expression of that word. Some thought l was getting off topic but l was following the Lord's lead.

But as l came to the forum this morning l realized something else... sad.gif

I believe God was wanting to speak about this forum. And l don't know what to do with it.

I can't discern the many voices.

In Sunday school this week my teacher was talking about all the people...scholars... who are of one persuasion and then another camp with another persuasion...

Honestly...I'm discouraged by it all. If the scholars can't even figure it out than who am l?
I don't want to end up like this. Locked in an embrace... till death do us part.
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Some say "Know the word" Know the word"... Well, a lot of you know the word here. What difference has it made?

Then l begin to think...Well love is important...Lets just love each other and everything will be all right.

But it won't...

because of what l think the Lord is wanting to say about dancing with wolves
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He's showing the natural progression from hand holding to dancing to whatever the heck comes next.

I know he's speaking but l haven't been able to deal with it so am posting it here to share not only what he has begun to say, has been saying and probably will continue to say. And also my confusion and dismay over it.

Yesterday l was trying to think of some way out. But putting my head under the pillow isn't an option at this stage of my walk... God is speaking. Can you hear him?
jhamner
Yes, Miki, I do.

I will relate a story I just heard two days ago. It is powerful and 100% true.

A certain young woman named Nikki grew up living in foster homes, group homes, and “children’s homes” (aka orphanages). She had abandonment issues, trust issues… issues. However, the Lord drew her in and HE became her father. She was filled with so much love and passion for Jesus- because FINALLY she had found the love and acceptance and purpose she had been missing for so long.

Only a few months after she had confessed Christ, she went on a women’s retreat at my church. One misty day, the ladies were told to “take a walk”. As they stepped outside their quarters, they discovered they had two choices- two paths to choose from. One appeared risky- even a bit dangerous. It entailed climbing down a steep ravine backwards using a knotted rope. This path was labeled “God’s will”. The other option looked much much easier- it was a lazy path winding through the forest. This way was labeled “Your will”. What the women did NOT know was that the path labeled “God’s will” was short- there were only a few steps after descending the hill to get back to the retreat. However, the “easy” path was FIVE MILES LONG.

Being a new Christian and full of zeal, my new friend Nikki decided to take the path labeled “God’s will”.

The decent down the rope was particularly treacherous that day because it had been drizzling all day. As Nikki backed her way down the steep hill using the rope, she prayed silently, “I trust You Lord, I trust You Lord.” She quickly made her way down the hill with no problems. Her feet were on solid ground again.

However, when she turned to walk back to the retreat, to her shock she saw wolf. A WOLF. It was about 10 feet away from her and staring her in the face.

Nikki testifies that in that moment a peace and calm flooded through her. With strength from the Holy Spirit, she looked at the wolf and said calmly, “I am His now, and you cannot hurt me.”

As soon as she spoke those words, the wolf RAN away as if it had been spooked by some hidden force. It ran as far and as fast as it could until Nikki could no longer see it.

She knew that she had faced something that day… that her past and her future met in that instant- and she had to take a stand. With Christ’s strength, she got the victory.
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I won't leave my comments now... I'll just let this sit for awhile.
Miki
You are so incredibly special to the Lord Julie...and to me. Thank you! Thank you for being bold and posting a word that is obviously for me and for others as well on this forum.

Since l posted this topic a flood gate of hearing has opened..... but l too will let it sit for a while.
Just what l was thinking before l came back on line and read your post...

Thank you again! It's awesome.... blush.gif wub.gif
jhamner
wub.gif Miki... I suppose we must be linked spiritually. This isn't the first time you and I have gotten simliar words. I'm just glad I could confirm what God was saying using someone else's testimony. God is good all the time.

I will say the same beautiful words you said to me: You are special to the Lord and special to me.

I love you. wub.gif
Messiahiscoming
Wow Miki.... I have been in the same place for a few weeks now! It seems that everytime I come to the forum I end up with my head in my hands. I have found that all I can do is cry out to Him and ask, "Lord why can't your people hear you clearly... why do we all see your word differently?" How can we all come up with differing views!" Whew it has left me with my heart ripped out weeping before the Lord. Thanks for starting this topic. I feel the Lord is truly speaking. Lord give us ears to hear what your Spirit has to say to your people! Julie thank you for the beautiful story! Whew... we have to talk about your weekend! I am so anxious to hear. Speaking of this thread and topic... Julie remember our conversation on the phone about this very subject. How I was distraut over God's people not coming to the same conclusions in His Word. I have been here with these same thoughts Miki for a few weeks now. Whew! Ears to Hear!


Your Friend in Christ,
Val

Messiahiscoming

Spirit Filled One
Miki and Julie,
As I was reading all of this, I heard the spirit within me just agreeing and could see some things so clearly.

This forum is a model.

It resembles what the church has become, it truly is a model of the last days. What we are seeing and hearing is probably very much the reason why you wrote:

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But as l came to the forum this morning l realized something else...

I believe God was wanting to speak about this forum. And l don't know what to do with it.

I can't discern the many voices.


There is so much confusion here on this forum and there are many "opinions" that are not from God.
There is a lot of anger and many seem to be at a place that they go beyond trusting and begin judging and pointing, in a place that is outside of the will of God.

To me, this seems like a laboratory model of what most of the church of the world is like, You find some places (believers) of real rest and peace in the Lord and then you find a great deal of strife and confusion and a hunger for power and wanting to be able to prove that you are right.

There are also many who, instead of posting about their own walk with the Lord and encouraging as they have been encouraged by Jesus, they are copying off of the internet almost always and posting someone elses walk and someone elses thoughts.

All of this brings confusion and coldness and does not bring us together in Christ alone. Its really difficult to even say these things, because it brings the reality of what you said when you said:

"Lets just love each other and everything will be all right. But it won't..."

There is a lot of truth in this, but at the same time, Loving each other also means that we bring truth in Love.

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Ephesians 4:14-16
14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head[b]—Christ— [/b] 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.


Just loving and agreeing to try and keep peace or remaining silent is not the answer, but it is with what Love and with what salt our speach is seaoned is where we ought to be here or any other place as children of light.

Sometimes I think that its easy to let Laodicea take over and let the darkness do what it wants if that is what it so desperately wants to do, but then I remember the words of my Lord that He spoke through Paul:

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Philippians 2:15
that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,


If I went outside of the realm of what you were trying to get at, Im sorry, but what you and Julie were talking about here seems to be something that is hard to really put your finger on.

I think that its just as you are saying Miki, that first there are many that are holding hands with a prostitute
maybe because they seem to want to minister to her and the next thing that you know, they are dancing and then right, who knows.

THis is the frog in the pot syndrome that has happened and is happening to so many christians.
The frog is placed in the middle of a pot and some cool water is poured onto him, then he is placed on a stove at a very low temperature, next, the heat is turned up very slightly and this goes on for some time until after 40 minutes, the frog is completely cooked and doesnt even know it....

One of the most dangerous things to the christian (the frog) is that they have become friends with the world even though they had no initial intention of becoming a part of the world that now accepts them as its own.

Blessings to you both,
In CHrist,
Chris
Miki
Thanks Chris, You're right on target. The Spirit of the anti-christ wears us out.

Also:

God is speaking to us personally but also corporately. As a church as a whole. So l will set the personal aside for a moment.

The Progressive Step.

I decided to Google the image. This the first thing l found.
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This was the image the Lord gave me back before Easter when l felt l was dancing to the enemies tune. Numbered foot steps on the floor. Interestingly it's called the Fox Trot.

I went to Blue Letter Bible and typed in Fox.

It's from Luke 13 When Jesus tells the Pharaisees to go tell Herod the fox...

32And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

33Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

34O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!

35Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Is God giving four examples of the head of the enemy?

1. Roman Catholicism (The hierarchy)
2. Eastern influence (The Dragon)
3. Pantheism (Dancing with wolves)
4. The puppet(Herod the fox)Half Jewish half Arab.

But there is argument as to whether Herod the fox was really Jewish but Philistine...regardless. He was a puppet and there is another puppet coming.

We've been talking about the comet in another string and the head of the enemy. But it always comes back to our personal lives on a daily basis too doesn't it.
Messiahiscoming
Hey Chris.... Good word! I have to agree with you. I think there certainly has to be a balane of "Truth and Love" I have tried to make this point in several threads that I have responded to in the past week. Some of the threads have just become downright nasty! I see some truth spoken....yet with not one ounce of love! This breaks my heart. Here are just a few quotes that I have tried to make in the past few days.
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agree Brother! If we disagree.... I think we should state our case and give the reasons why. I just do not see the need for bashing of our brothers!
1 John 4
21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. smile.gif

I know that sometimes I have a hard time stating whatever it is because I just simply want to avoid the confrontation. Yet when the Lord says to speak up... we must speak up. I just feel that it Must be done in the spirit of Love.

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Whew..... this is exactly why I was reluctant to post to this thread in the 1st place! I am not one that likes confrontations at all and I do not care to debate the issue....Been there and done that. Yet when the Lord says post that is what I must do.


We must temper our truth with Love and Meekness....

Galatians 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit; meekness considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

This is a great chapter concerning the Study of God... and some really practical quidelines in following to avoid endless debates. I do not think that the Lord is to excited when we just carry on and on...and then that is when the bashing and hatred begins to surfuace.

2 Timothy 2
1Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.
6The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.
7Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
8Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
9Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
10Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. and, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
23But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming





jhamner
Yes, Valerie, I remember the conversation.

WHEWEE you sound like me.

I think SpiritFilled has said some powerful things.

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There are also many who, instead of posting about their own walk with the Lord and encouraging as they have been encouraged by Jesus, they are copying off of the internet almost always and posting someone else’s walk and someone else’s thoughts.


Wow. Powerful. PO-WER-FUL. While other's testimonies are meant to encourage- I don't think they can or should replace personal time talking and fellowshipping with Christ Himself. Martin Lurther, Wesley, Calvin, all those awesome men of faith- searched for themselves- and the Lord gave them wisdom and power. I will try so hard from now on not to use others as a crutch. This way (YIPEE), God can use ME in the very way He wants to use me... Julie... ME.

"Opinion shopper..." that's what I have been. But the past 6 months have taught me (and especially this past weekend) that opinion shopping is dangerous and reveals my insecurities. I used to seek out what others had to say before I made any decision, or formed any opinion. There is a place for godly counsel and fellowship is VITAL to growth. But eventually all the voices PARALIZED ME. I froze and stopped believing that God truly spoke to me personally. I forgot all the confirmations, all the answered prayers, all the beauty… and was confused and afraid.

Reminds me of a dream I had:

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It began with a little boy safe in his father's care. His father had this beautiful sounding bell that the boy grew to love. Have you ever seen the movie or read the book The Polar Express? Well, it was like that. Just like in Polar Express this bell was special, and it took belief to hear.

Time passed and suddenly the boy got separated from his father. The boy, now an orphan, was alone and full of fear. He looked and looked for his father, but couldn't find him. However, after many years had passed, he still hadn't given up. One day, in a gas station, the boy was paying for much needed food at the counter (using money he had probably begged for) when the boy saw a older man that he thought he might recognize. However, it didn't hit him who this man was until the older gentlemen left the store. Sometimes when you exit a store, there is a bell that rings announcing customers’ departure. Well, this time, the bell that rang was that special bell that only he and his father knew about. The boy knew the man was his father. The boy ran after his father but he was too far behind to catch him. However, he could still hear the sound of the bell, so he followed, using the ring as a guide.
The boy got on the back of a semi as the truck was about to take off. He listened. It seemed there were bells all around- many many bells, but the boy knew that none of these bells had the magical sound of his father's bell. He kept riding. Suddenly, a snow storm hit. It was bitterly cold on the back of the truck. All around him were noises, seemingly endless clanging almost like in a parade. But still, the boy kept riding to try to get his father. He even got really sick, but still he kept trying to get to his father- following after that distant special bell.

When I woke up I knew the Father was speaking.



It is so important to trust the One Who can bring ME life... trust what He is teaching ME, that I can hear HIS voice (hear the bell). Even when the storms come and there are many other sounds to distract me.

Part of backing down that rope is NOT knowing where I am going- but closing my eyes and trusting. Trust that He will be able to keep me, trust that He will keep me safe, trust that He is the Voice that I am hearing (and even if it isn't- He will again keep me safe and EVEN come to get me if I find myself lost). If I do not believe He is able or I get caught up in doubt- it can be paralyzing (I've been there before. I am like a double-minded man, unstable in all my ways.)

I must close my eyes, pray, "I trust You Lord", and start to move.
Roxygal
and a HUGE AMEN to that Julie!!
I asolutely love this thread!!!
and I love you all!!!
jhamner
I love you too, Lisa. wub.gif
Adonaicole
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I must close my eyes, pray, "I trust You Lord", and start to move.


This is exactly what God has been teaching me, simple trust.

I love all of you guys....
Miche
Thank you all so much for sharing. It has blessed me. I am here in this place of needing to trust God. And it seems like there are alot of "safe paths" that people keep pointing me to. And yet................

I am on this road that seemingly the Lord has put me on. I am compelled to see it through to the end. I don't know where it leads. I have made my plans and commited them to the Lord. The outcome is His alone to determine. There is a peace that comes with that. Knowing that all I need to do is to be still and WAIT ON THE LORD! Man.......... why did it take me so long to get here? To finally surrender all to him? I trust and believe in him.... even though He is silent.

Hugs to you all
Miche
Adonaicole
I am feeling that same peace, why did it take me so long to get here?

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There is a peace that comes with that. Knowing that all I need to do is to be still and WAIT ON THE LORD! Man.......... why did it take me so long to get here? To finally surrender all to him? I trust and believe in him


jhamner
Same here Don and Miche.

The Lord spoke to me all weekend... "Be still and know that I am God."
Spirit Filled One
Ive been so very blessed by this thread today, I especially like what you said Miche.

QUOTE(Miche @ Oct 30 2007, 05:04 PM) [snapback]127199[/snapback]

I am on this road that seemingly the Lord has put me on. I am compelled to see it through to the end. I don't know where it leads. I have made my plans and commited them to the Lord. The outcome is His alone to determine. There is a peace that comes with that. Knowing that all I need to do is to be still and WAIT ON THE LORD! Man.......... why did it take me so long to get here? To finally surrender all to him? I trust and believe in him.... even though He is silent.



Yes, as His children, the Lord has us all on a road that He chooses for us, and its up to us to surrender to Him completely and to stop trying to complete His will for Him, but to instead stay on this narrow road
and trust and believe and surrender everything espacially our will.

Yes, even though through so much of it He may be silent. So much of our walk is spent looking for answers and trying desperately to make God do something, when what He wants us to do is to not keep looking for
the signs and wonders, but to just believe. Simply believe and surrender.

These are such great truths that most of us learn early in our walk, but as we go through this hardened
world (and even a christian-forum) , its very easy to lose the simplicity of it, especially when there is so much strife and deception to take away the simle faith in just believing and surrendering to Christ.

Blessings again to all of you, Miki, Julie, Val, Miche and Don.

In Christ and thanking Him,
Chris

Miki
blink.gif l don't want to stretch it anymore...


One of the jobs of the antichrist is to ware us down. We sense it as we weary through the posts trying to hear. I've been on the forum a long time. If anything.... l understand why my Pastor never wants to talk about controversial issues. Is it right? I don't know...but l know one thing...I understand it.

Should we remain in the dark on issues? No...but we should know when to quit and who to quit talking to. Some people are in a league of there own..
wernotalone
QUOTE(jhamner @ Oct 30 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]127213[/snapback]

Same here Don and Miche.

The Lord spoke to me all weekend... "Be still and know that I am God."


Confirmation, YES IN DEED 1dsz5e4.gif smile.gif ...the LORD has been giving me peace...I try to often to fix things instead of surrendering it all to Jesus..

I truly believe JESUS HE IS MIGHTY, and will do Mighty works within us, for his Glory...because he LOVES us, and hears our prayers...he prays for us...as we pray for one another.

Some are in a league of their own, yes Miki...yes that is all the more reason we pray, for we have all been on different paths, some long and rough roads indeed...BUT GOD BLESSED THE BROKEN ROAD that lead me to HIM...I will never forget, and pray for meekness, and a kind heart...even in the face of adversity, we pray for God's peace to come upon us all in all situations. and thwe words to speak in his love and forgiveness..for WE ARE SENT, and even the adversity is SENT TO US...for all God's purpose and Glory we pray IN Jesus name. Amen I love you Miki, and all of you here have helped me when I was broken and confused...JESUS CLEARS THE AIR...for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but the principalities of darkness in the air and in high places...Blessed be the Name above all names, all glory, all honor and wisdom belongeth to you Dear LORD of Hosts.

Jesus is LORD. AMEN wub.gif
Adonaicole
QUOTE(wernotalone @ Nov 1 2007, 07:36 AM) [snapback]127572[/snapback]

QUOTE(jhamner @ Oct 30 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]127213[/snapback]

Same here Don and Miche.

The Lord spoke to me all weekend... "Be still and know that I am God."


Confirmation, YES IN DEED 1dsz5e4.gif smile.gif ...the LORD has been giving me peace...I try to often to fix things instead of surrendering it all to Jesus..

I truly believe JESUS HE IS MIGHTY, and will do Mighty works within us, for his Glory...because he LOVES us, and hears our prayers...he prays for us...as we pray for one another.

Some are in a league of their own, yes Miki...yes that is all the more reason we pray, for we have all been on different paths, some long and rough roads indeed...BUT GOD BLESSED THE BROKEN ROAD that lead me to HIM...I will never forget, and pray for meekness, and a kind heart...even in the face of adversity, we pray for God's peace to come upon us all in all situations. and thwe words to speak in his love and forgiveness..for WE ARE SENT, and even the adversity is SENT TO US...for all God's purpose and Glory we pray IN Jesus name. Amen I love you Miki, and all of you here have helped me when I was broken and confused...JESUS CLEARS THE AIR...for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but the principalities of darkness in the air and in high places...Blessed be the Name above all names, all glory, all honor and wisdom belongeth to you Dear LORD of Hosts.

Jesus is LORD. AMEN wub.gif



Wow wernotalone (We are not alone) your post has blessed me so much. I cried when I read, "BUT GOD BLESSED THE BROKEN ROAD that lead me to HIM" Yes he has! Jesus is Lord.

Glory to God in the highest, our God is truly an awesome God.
C
QUOTE(SpiritFilledOne @ Oct 30 2007, 04:47 PM) [snapback]127104[/snapback]

Miki and Julie,
As I was reading all of this, I heard the spirit within me just agreeing and could see some things so clearly.

This forum is a model.

It resembles what the church has become, it truly is a model of the last days. What we are seeing and hearing is probably very much the reason why you wrote:



I have not read this thread until now and these were my words exactly today to some of my friends. The forum is a clear view of the church. Plus it is showing us that there will be a falling away and why. It was 25 years ago, and I was a young newly reborn Christian. I heard the voice of the Lord very clearly after I was just baptised with His Spirit. One day He said: "I am placing a sword down the middle of the church and a many will fall away"

At that time, having NO knowledge of the Word yet, I did not even link "sword" to "word" and I assumed that the Lord was telling me that many will backslide soon, and He is doing the "cutting with a sword" (somehow) I thought He was telling me I am going to backslide.

It took many years for that word to start to mean something. Today I actually SEE it happen and it is true. God has placed HIS (S)WORD down amongst us and it is dividing us.

Mat 10:34 Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law:
Mat 10:36 and a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:38 And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me.


At that time, I never even knew about this scripture.

C
Miki
Pollution!

C said:

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I have not read this thread until now and these were my words exactly today to some of my friends. The forum is a clear view of the church. Plus it is showing us that there will be a falling away and why.


Is the position of the rapture the cover of your book?

You can't judge a book by it's cover.

Many have taken a lot of truth concerning types and shadows and polluted them with their own end times interpretation. The litmus test touches end times theology and has some standing like a god in the midst of wrath...

There will in fact be some that The LORD OUR GOD will protect but it will be because of saving grace.

I'm sickened by types and shadows because of the pollution...Something that should be good. Something that should be easily received and understood but is tinged by the blood of those trying to make their way out of the brambles ...

l'm sickened by the quail vomited out of thoughtless lips...The word predigested by those on a spirit quest.

The good of the word has been contaminated and l don't know how to fix it!

How can l receive the good of the Lord when l have to eat the puke along with it???

Please...Tell me how to do it.

Should l not eat at all? Should l become an island unto myself with my black book and palm tree?

The thing meant for good has stung me like a prod. I see a sword with spiders dripping down the blade. How can l submit to a wicked taskmaster holding the Lords book and hitting my hands every time l misstep to the tune he's playing?

Will the real Jesus please stand up! Who the heck are we dancing with.

He's tapping. He's cutting in. Why not turn around to see whoo's there....

Or have you danced with so many you're ignoring the final tap?

This song just came to mind...


QUOTE
"Save The Last Dance For Me"

You can dance-every dance with the guy
Who gives you the eye,let him hold you tight
You can smile-every smile for the man
Who held your hand neath the pale moon light
But don't forget who's takin' you home
And in whose arms you're gonna be
So darlin' save the last dance for me

Oh I know that the music's fine
Like sparklin' wine,go and have your fun
Laugh and sing,but while we're apart
Don't give your heart to anyone
But don't forget who's takin' you home
And in whose arms you're gonna be
So darlin' save the last dance for me

Baby don't you know I love you so
Can't you feel it when we touch
I will never never let you go
I love you oh so much

You can dance,go and carry on
Till the night is gone
And it's time to go
If he asks if you're all alone
Can he walk you home,you must tell him no
'Cause don't forget who's taking you home
And in whose arms you're gonna be
Save the last dance for me

'Cause don't forget who's taking you home
And in whose arms you're gonna be
So darling,save the last dance for me
Save the last dance for me
Save the last dance for me.


Maybe it's a silly song but l find myself unwilling to turn to the tap for fear of another whirl around the dance floor.

I'm dizzy from going around and around the theological wheel and it's making me sick.
I want to rest in the arms of Jesus.

Don't patronize me for my honesty. I'll have none of it.

The Lord cares for those sick at heart.
Stay humble and don't pretend to know everything

and

don't believe you need to know everything in order for the Lord to whisk you into his arms.

His Blood's enough! Keep running...Don't give up...

Don't become hardened to the tap tap tapping of the truth of God's word because of the POLLUTION.

Miki
And The Beat Goes On



QUOTE
Don't Let Me Me Misunderstood
by The Animals

Baby, do you understand me now
Sometimes I feel a little mad
Well don't you know that no-one alive
Can always be an angel
When things go wrong I seem to be bad

I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

Baby, sometimes I'm so carefree
With a joy that's hard to hide
And sometimes it seems that
All I have to do is worry
And then you're bound to see my other side

I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

If I seem edgy, I want you to know
That I never mean to take it out on you
Life has it's problems and I get my share
And that's one thing I never mean to do

'cause I love you
Oh, oh, oh, baby, don't you know I'm human
Have thoughts like any other one
Sometimes I find myself alone and regretting
Some foolish thing, some little simple thing I've done

I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

Yes, I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

Yes, I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood

Yes, I'm just a soul who's intentions are good
Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood


QUOTE
Artist: Angels
Song: My Boyfriend's Back


(Spoken:)
He went away
And you hung around and bothered me every night
And, when I wouldn't go out with you
You said things that weren't very nice

My boyfriend's back, and you're gonna be in trouble
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
When you see him comin', better cut on the double
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
You've been spreadin' lies that I was untrue
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
So look out now, 'cause he's comin' after you
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)

Hey, he knows that you've been tryin'
And he knows that you've been lyin'

He's been gone for such a long time
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
Now, he's back, and things will be fine
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
You're gonna be sorry you were ever born
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
'Cause he's kind of big and he's awful strong
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)

Hey, he knows I wasn't cheatin'
Now, you're gonna get a beatin'
What made you think he'd believe all your lies?
You're a big man now, but he'll cut you down to size
Wait and see!

My boyfriend's back; he's gonna save my reputation
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)
If I were you, I'd take a permanent vacation
(Hey la, hey la, my boyfriend's back)

Hey, I can see him comin'
Now, you better start a-runnin'

*instrumental*

Wait and see!

My boyfriend's back; he's gonna save my reputation
La, hey la, my boyfriend's back
La, hey la, my boyfriend's back


Just speaking the worlds language....
Miki
See some people want to run away from the stench of pollution yet when they turn they're falsely accused. "Ha! There they go...falling away.." Told ya so...."
jhamner
Vomited quail...OH YES. It doesn't even take too much meat to make you sick. We can be overwhelmed by too much milk. We grow in sequencial steps... just as a child learns to crawl before walking.
http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...c=10925&hl=
QUOTE

I had a dream last night.

I dreamed that I had a baby. I took the baby home, and immediately started breast feeding (I breast fed both of my children). When my milk "came in", there was an over abundance of milk. It was amazing how much milk I was producing! Now for those of you who don't know anything about breast milk, I'll give you a little breastfeeding 101 so you'll better be able to understand the way my milk was.

When a baby is first born, the mother doesn't have a lot of milk in her breasts. The substance that the baby first gets when he comes out is VERY VERY thick, very very high in calories and protein, and it has a gold color. "Colostrum", as this first milk is called, is nicknamed "liquid gold". Most scientists think that this first milk has so many antiboties that it is the last and vital part of the baby's immune system.

Later on, about 48-72 hours later, the mother starts producing milk- or her milk "comes in". Mother's milk is extremely miraculous! When the baby breastfeeds, he gets a full meal. The first milk that comes out of the breasts, called hindmilk, is watery- it clenches the baby's thirst. Then about 5 minutes into the feeding, the milk changes in texture and color. Foremilk, the second kind, is more like what we typically think of as milk. This is the baby's real meal. It is more nutritious and has more calories. BUT AT THE END OF THE FEEDING... there is a third kind of milk. This milk is extremely THICK, very very creamy, and sweet to the taste. It is the baby's desert.

OK... so I know that was a lot... but it helps to have that background knowledge to understand the next part of my dream.

I started pumping milk into bottles when the milk that came in was so abudandant- to store milk for later (just as I did with my own children). The colostrum- or liquid gold- was the first part of the milk- but as the foremilk came in...it settled to the top of the bottle (as it does in real life). However, I just kept pumping and pumping because there was so much milk. To my SHOCK, the last very thick and sweet part of the milk was THICK THICK- like hair moose it was so thick. I couldn't bottle it because it was coming out in very very thick streams- there is no way that the baby could suck this thick substance out of a bottle (probably could out of my breasts because I could pump it out with a breast pump).

I was so busy pumping milk- and in TOTAL SHOCK over the thickness of this third sweet part of the milk, that I forgot to feed the BABY! I also knew that I had to get some "liquid gold" colostrum into her and FAST!

I went into the room to where the baby was (my old childhood bedroom). She was really really sick because of lack of fluids (of course). She had a burning high fever! I started to feed her- but she didn't want the drink anymore because she was so ill. As I write this, I am recalling that the baby looked a lot like my daughter does now at five years old. The "infant" didn't really look like an infant- even though she acted like a newborn in every other way.

Eventually after a lot of work (cold towels, sip after sip), she started getting a little better. I was so relieved.
Adonaicole
Miki,

I'm a little baffled by your posts. What exactly were you offended by?

Asking in love.
jhamner
wub.gif I love you Don! Nice to see you today!
jhamner
OH MAN!

This dream came back to me in a complete flash today as I was talking with my friend/mentor.

In the dream I had eaten raw hamburger. It tasted ok going down- I didn't even realize it was uncooked as I ate. But then my body started to reject the meat- it was full of germs. As I threw it up- I looked at the red meat and realized it was raw- why I was feeling sick.

The confirmations just keep on coming.
Messiahiscoming
QUOTE(Adonaicole @ Nov 2 2007, 10:31 AM) [snapback]127794[/snapback]
Miki,

I'm a little baffled by your posts. What exactly were you offended by?

Asking in love.



I have to agree with Don..... I am a little lost out here not knowing where exactly you are going here Miki?

Sorry.... huh.gif


Your Friend in Christ,
Val

Messiahiscoming



Miki
Thanks Julie...You're seeing it with me.

Is this about me personally Don? Well yes and no... if one part is sick all are sick.

Some years ago l dreamt l was at my old High School. I was waiting to go to what we called then "the inner court." My tent was set up outside waiting to go in. Other tents were there too. Some one came and put meat on the floor in my tent. I knew it was bad and didn't eat it. I kept having busy conversation with others about going in..Some one else came along and threw some meat into my tent. Again little bite size pieces. It was almost time to go in so l hurried up and scooped all the meat in the bowl and quickly ate it. After l had done so l stopped in shocked realization that l had eaten the bad meat. I woke up.

I remember thinking that even if it was just one little piece it could still make me sick.
I guess l should have thrown the bad meat out right away...But l was to busy so it got mixed.
C
Are you OK Miki?

Spirit Filled One
Miki,

Could you explain in very basic terms, what you are trying to say?
I really want to understand, but I just dont at all.

All that I can come up with at all is that you are somehow tring to say that no one is speaking the truth here
or that everyone is giving opinions that have taken us far from the purity of seeking Christ alone??
Am I even close to what you are saying??


In Christ,
Chris
Miki
This has been explained. It's not hard to understand. These are simple pictures and if you want to see them you will..Most don't because it's to hard. Even those closest to me struggle. I struggle.

It's about perspective...About having a birds eye view. We have to step back and L00k because we become enmeshed in what we're doing.

There's a lot to be said about healing the body...and a lot of different opinions on how to do it. But healing can't begin without getting rid of the thing that's causing the problem.

This is about mixing...and about touching. It's not just about this forum it's spread throughout the body.

You know...leaven...I'm just painting a different picture with more dimension. Sorry. I just don't know how to talk plainer. I'm not going to point a finger at one particular individual if that's what your looking for. Nor am l going to point a finger at one particular camp either because this is touching us all in one way or another.

I was praying with a domestic violence group the other day. This precious Christian women was praying with her heart. I have visions. They pop up and are so descriptive and odd. But as she was praying for the lost l saw someone that was stuck in the mud. The earth was on fire. As she prayed her prayers were like a suction cup..They were stretched and pulled as she prayed. It was almost animated..pulling like a tug of war this one, out of the muddy fire.

Maybe this is the key more than anything else...

So l will pray for perspective.

If we don't come up and out we will continue to wallow in the words of conflicted discourse.
Miki
And there is good in the different movements. You just can't make a list and call them all evil. But you can't eat either...If you participate in the good of anyone of the many you will be contaminated by the evil of the thing too.

That's why l'm sick...and don't know the answer.
jhamner
Miki-

I understand. I want to reach through the computer and hug you. I understand.

There is so much yeast out there that it makes me tired. It was SO SICK the last few months spiritually. I was the child on the bed needing the milk... I was desperate. What do you do? How do you sift through it all- eating the fish and throwing out the bones?

I was talking to my brother about things last night- and he reminded me of something I told him a few years ago when he was struggling. We are the body of Christ- and each part has a function. When we don't rely on each other- we look and act like swollen ankles and enlarged hearts. We get puffed up and out of balance. It makes me sad.

My brother is awesome. I love him so much that it makes my heart explode. He has such a heart for people. Yesterday he told me a story about three of his friends Adam, John, and Michelle:

Adam fell down and hit his head. John is taking classes to be a paramedic. John was trying to asses the situation using his new knowledge. Michelle, Adam's girlfriend, is in dental school and was also trying to use her medical skills to help Adam. Eventually John and Michelle were fighting about who knew best how to help Adam. As my brother told me this story, in frustration he said, "It was so silly! They both had knowledge. But John and Michelle refused to work together because they were so full of pride." Poor Adam just sat there still hurt.

Isn't this the church???
Miche
Julie said.......

QUOTE
Adam fell down and hit his head. John is taking classes to be a paramedic. John was trying to asses the situation using his new knowledge. Michelle, Adam's girlfriend, is in dental school and was also trying to use her medical skills to help Adam. Eventually John and Michelle were fighting about who knew best how to help Adam. As my brother told me this story, in frustration he said, "It was so silly! They both had knowledge. But John and Michelle refused to work together because they were so full of pride." Poor Adam just sat there still hurt.

Isn't this the church???


this is so true. Is the answer in knowing when to pray instead of say????

Miki said.......

QUOTE
There's a lot to be said about healing the body...and a lot of different opinions on how to do it. But healing can't begin without getting rid of the thing that's causing the problem.

This is about mixing...and about touching. It's not just about this forum it's spread throughout the body.


we are not the ones to get rid of the ones casusing problems.

It says in the word that the wheat and the weeds will grow up together....... in fact we are instructed not to pull the weeds in case a sheath of wheat be pulled too............ On the last day, the wheat harvest will occur. The weeds will be seperated from the wheat and burned. How will God know the difference????? The wheat will be humble and bowed down. The weeds will be prideful, arrogant and standing tall.

Let God harvest the field.

We only need to be patient and

WAIT ON THE LORD

Miki
Yes Miche that's true...But that doesn't mean we won't ever get mixed seed in our bread. It's OK to pick through what we eat.

Julie l've wanted people to work with me too...giving a piece of what l know and having others add to it instead of taking a part the little good l have...Mostly it doesn't happen but sometimes it does. It seems like God gives just enough to sustain us through others but he wants us to relay mainly on him.

The forum is just part of the real world. My son is home from college and he's writing a paper on the deity of Christ and humanness of Christ wacko.gif Why would he pick this kind of subject matter...something so controversial? He said in college Mom, that's what everybody does is sit around and discuss all the issues...

It just makes me tired...I guess the debating is for the young.

Julie it's good you have your brother....
jhamner
Amen to that sister. Man alive. I have been guilty of "opinion shopping" my whole life... and the Lord says "look to Me".

wub.gif

Yes, it is good that I have my brother. I thank God for him. He has been my only human constant since birth (we were adopted at 5).
Adonaicole
QUOTE
and the Lord says "look to Me".


You are so right, that's what God has been showing me too. I can't even figure out a lot of peoples complicated theologies but when I turn to God, he says, "I am simple, I am love". I love you Julie and Miki.
jhamner
I LOVE YOU TOO DON! wub.gif
Miki
I want to re-post an article by Shekel about mixing. It's been a long time since l read it. I was amazed at the opening scripture as the Lord gave it to me several months ago concerning something in my personal ministry. I've come a long way since Dean was first prompted to write it. We must have frustrated him so.

It's hard when you have hardly any knowledge at all and are raise in the world or in a worldly church.

It takes time to get it. It's hard to extract the psychological element. That may seem odd to those who know and quote scripture. He's states it plain. Thank you Dean... Thank you for telling the story of the Bible in an inspired way that is easy to understand and makes sense.

This word given about dancing with wolves reflects the growth l've had over the last 4 years of being on the forum. I'm able to set my sails and understand the moving of the Spirit and l'm not afraid to say it.

Flesh? Oh yes. It's a work in progress. Is this word mixed? I hope not. But l have to be glad for where l am. Is 4 years really that long?

But there are still some things to ask...

What about Love?

What do we have to face in ourselves in order to pass the fruit of this word along? This isn't something we only do on the forum but are faced with it daily through those we encounter.

Do we get mad and quote reams of scripture? Do we say "Thus saith the Lord?"

Honesty... We don't exalt ourselves but give personal testimony. I have a personal testimony apart from this forum that God will allow me to use. He opens doors. We remain humble and He does the rest.

The word through Dean was about more than a movie. It reaches into every area of our lives. The movie was only a vehicle to prompt the proclamation. (and the warning)

QUOTE
From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible Teaches that God Hates Mixture!

Mel Gibson's, "The Passion Of Christ"


This is the word, I believe, that the Spirit of God gave me concerning the film:

"Behold, thou trustest upon the staff of this bruised reed, even upon Egypt, whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust on him," (Isa 36:6).

Brethren, Egypt will not help us in the cause of Christ! Hollywood will not help us! Even the devil knows that! (Egypt is Babylon---the world system.)

From Genesis to Revelation, the bible teaches that God hates mixture! From beginning to end, God hates compromise!

God separated the darkness from the light. "And in Him is no darkness at all," (1John 1). "Every good and perfect gift comes down from above from the Father of lights, in whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning," (James). God does not change! He hated mixture in the Old Testament. He hates it in the New, and He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

The Catholic church is utterly mixed with the world. Who denies it?

Recall the world- day of prayer back a decade ago, when the Pope had the Deli Lama (leader of Buddhism) do his ceremony from his very own pulpit! After that, there was the witch doctors, the fire eaters, those from every religion! Back then we were shocked. But now we are so enlightened! We have become Christian New Agers with realizing it!

Our leaders have deceived us, and we wanted to be deceived so that we would be more accepted by the world. But God is not deceived. Nor has He changed His mind about the millions tortured to death under the crucifixes of the Catholic Church; those that refused to bow their knee to popish doctrine. The blood of the martyrs still cries out!

What did Paul say? "If any one preaches to you anther gospel other than that which I have preached to you, let him be eternally damned!" (Galatians). He even said it twice concerning those that mixed works with grace for salvation. Yet the Roman Catholic Church declares accursed and damned all who believe salvation is by faith and grace alone! Who shall we believe? God or men? Who shall we trust our eternal salvation to, God or men? "Come out from her my people, lest ye be a partaker of her sins and of her plagues. For her sins have heaped up to heaven," (Revelation).

If we love Catholics we would tell them the truth, but I see this film as another work of Satan to mix the godly seed with the ungodly seed. Evangelicals with Romanism. Since there is no common ground theologically, I see that Satan is using the arts to bridge the gap instead. And no wonder, for the devil was the musical cherub at the throne of God before evil was found in him. Thus, Satan is expert in those things that entertain the flesh.

From Genesis to Revelation, the bible teaches that God hates mixture!
Recall that it was Cain's line (whom God separated and drove out from the godly line of Seth) that first made musical instruments, and tools for plowing, and cities to live in. All these things are good in their right place, but the devil knows that the more at ease a people are, the more happy they are the less likely they will seek God. The natural man wants to make life as easy as possible during the few years he exists on earth. But the godly seed of Seth "began to call upon the name of the Lord," all the way to Noah. But in the days of Noah, things had become altogether mixed, "And violence was in the earth." So He destroyed them as He saw right. And then they built the tower of Nimrod in defiance of God. God had told them to disperse among the world. But they wanted to unite and build a name for themselves. So God confounded their languages and forced them to flee Babylon. A few hundred years later he called Abraham "out of Ur of Babylonia." 'Leave everything behind,' God told him, 'and come, and I will show you a land you don't know.'

From Genesis to Revelation, the bible teaches that God hates mixture!
But the wickedness of the land of Canaan was great, and the children of Abraham were in danger of being assimilated into the nations. So God sent Joseph ahead of them so that they may live in the finest part of Egypt completely separate from the Egyptians, "who hated shepherds".

In Egypt the Israelites multiplied greatly and became a nation. But the Egyptians feared them and made them their slaves. But God separated Moses from his people 40 years, until his call at the burning bush. God led them out of Egypt with a mighty hand under the very eyes of the Egyptians---but the rabble ("mixed multitude") went with them. The rabble stirred up the rest frequently to rebel against God and against Moses. (Moses is a type of Christ). Therefore, God slew every last one of them except for two. Only their children entered the promised land.

During the period of the Judges that followed, the people again prostituted themselves after other gods and mixed again with the nations. "Everyone did what was right in their own eyes." God repeatedly afflicted them until they reluctantly sent their gods away. God had explicitly told them not to worship Him according to the way the nations worshiped their gods. But they would not listen. Finally, God gave them up to have a king "like all the other nations," (though the Lord God was their king).

The king was instructed to control the people by force (rather than by mere moral persuasion). But still they mixed with the nations---both they, and their kings. To halt their backslidings, God split the nation of Israel into two camps---Israel (the Northern Kingdom), and Judah (the Southern Kingdom). Israel to the north mixed themselves completely with the nations so God sent them far away into exile in 722 BC. By 586 BC, God has sent Judah away as well, for Judah followed in her sisters path.

But God was merciful, and left himself a remnant for His names sake; (for Messiah would soon come through the line of Judah). God mercifully brought them out of Babylonian exile, but they again had mixed with pagan practices, so God stirred Ezra to force them to send away their pagan wives and children.

And again they mixed with the nations during the days of the Greeks, so that they became just like the Greeks. Then God allowed Antiochus Epiphanies in 138 BC to sift the true from the false. For all that would not bow to Greek god's were put to death. However, many gladly became Greeks, and fully participated in their lewd Olympic games, and in their great drama performances at the amphitheatres. Later, this was repeated with the Romans.

From Genesis to Revelation, the bible teaches that God hates mixture!
Than Jesus came, "undefiled, separate from sinners," (Hebrews). But His own people did not recognize Him. He called out 12 men to follow him. They were to establish His church of "called out ones." The church was to be a "peculiar people, a royal nation, a holy people," who alone were able and worthy to sing the praises of Him who had called them out from darkness into light. But Jesus warned them while He was yet alive that a day would come when others would think that they were doing God a service by putting them to death!

And so it was. First their Jewish brethren persecuted them to death, and then the Romans. But Satan could not defeat them. Persecution only purified them and kept them separate from all the heathen practices that surrounded them. So Satan changed tactics. He recalled Balaam of old in the days of Moses. Back then Israel could not be defeated by war since God was with them, but instead Satan had the false prophet Balaam trick Israel to participate in the sacrifices of Idolaters, Before long they were behaving just like them. God punished them with the plague because of their immortalities. So Satan repeats the Balaamite trick!

Suddenly, by the 3rd century AD, Satan suddenly reverses tables on the Christians. "Let us make love, and not war," was Satan's battle strategy. "That way we will turn God Himself against them!"

Suddenly it was now virtually illegal not to be a Christian! The Roman Emperor turned pagan temples into church temples, and an official 'church' priesthood replaced the old pagan ones. The pagans saw a good thing and converted so that they might cash in on high positions that were now vacant. The poor church suddenly became filthy rich, and decked with the finest of purple and scarlet. The church absorbed the pagan world and became pagan Christianity. Men fought for supremacy among themselves and soon popes ruled the whole religious Roman Empire. Now they were the ones who put to death all that would not compromise with her, and fornicate with the kings and leaders of the earth.

The Roman Catholic Church was not satisfied with the blood of true Christians, so they murdered by the hundreds of thousands Jews as well. God was angry and sent the Islamic scourge to slay whole nations. And so much of what was formerly 'Christian' became Islam. Pagan Islam was appalled at all the idols of Rome, and was there justification for their murderous rampage.

Satan's plan was working. Much of the world remained under the Papacy. But God rose up men to turn people back to biblical Christianity; they understood the words of John, "And we know that no murderer has eternal life in them." They lived holy lives. They had fled the lands of Rome's control and were safe, but only for a short time, because Satan rose up false churches there, too! Compromising churches sprung up almost overnight---married with the civil authorities---all the while professing Jesus as Lord. They, too, were mixed with the nations. They, too, began to kill in Jesus name. They persecuted the remnant that refused to worship in "the synagogue of Satan." Their persecutors indeed hated Roman Catholicism, but were yet her sisters. They bore similar resemblance, except the younger sister was more self righteous. And so together, (though enemies), they began to put to death all that loved the Lord and refused to mix with state worship. Thus, in Catholic countries the remnant were burned at the stake, while in Protestant countries they were slain with the sword. In pretense the sisters served Jesus, but in practice they slew the true brethren of our Lord.

Yet, Jesus himself had said, "By their fruits you will know them." But even these words fell deaf on many a true saint, intoxicated, stupefied, unwilling and unable to run. Like in a nightmare, many could not run away. But some did. "Come out from her," cried God's messengers! But they justified their remaining within her. "Perhaps she can be healed," they foolishly thought!
All was well nigh lost, but for God!

Amazingly, God had another world coexisting with the known world at that time. This new world was that of North and South America. After it was discovered, men fled to it from Britain and Spain and elsewhere, in search of freedom---freedom to serve God with a good conscience. But Rome sent her missionaries too.

Rome, "the city on seven hills," conquered South America, and had her influence in North America too. But God rose up great revivalists such as Wesley and Edwards. They turned people back from compromise, and warned of the whorish church of Rome.

But succeeding generations fell away again. Affluence settled over the land in the 20th century. But the roaring twenties was replaced by the horrors of two world wars. Hitler tried to exterminate the Jews, and justified it on the ancient practices of Catholicism. Rome even had a concordant with Hitler.

The war ended. Peace and prosperity grew in North and South America, and in Europe, (though communist countries were thrust into darkness. Millions of Christians perished. Today, the KGB rules the Russian Orthodox church---likely the next source of official persecution there. In China they have an official state church as well. But there are millions of true believers in the underground house churches. Many are in prisons too. Satan has learned over time that the best place to hide is behind a priestly robe in a cathedral surrounded by religious trinkets that deceive the gullible.)

So after the great wars, the western world grew rich and fat again---much more rich than even before the wars. Correspondingly, the church generally became weak and anemic. Sensing her need, but not willing to sacrifice greed, the church of the west looked to Rome as an example of spirituality. Rome, after all, was adept at producing the feeling of religion, but woefully empty in substance. And Rome, always the opportunist, seized the opportunity to embrace her wandering child back to her breasts. Satan conjured up Vatican Two---the great council meeting at Rome---the great 20th century deception of God's elect!

In 1962, the windows of the Vatican flew open, and much of nothing was written, so as to distance herself from her past anathema's against bible believing evangelicals, and pull the wool over their eyes. (The Roman church never officially rejected any of these anathema's.)

But besides mainline evangelical Christianity, Rome craved the then blossoming Pentecostal movement too. And so, Rome created a new Pentecost---a new wind---a new spirit to reach out to the charismatic evangelicals. Thus, visions and prophecies and tongues in the name of the mother of God began to multiply! The Charismatic evangelicals were thrilled! Hence, Vatican II appealed to both groups of evangelicals. One, to the stuffy knowledge-based Christianity that worships the mind, and the other to the charismatic community that worships the emotions. The written documents of Vatican II appealed to all evangelicals who wanted to believe it, and the gifts of other spirits appealed to all charismatics who disdained stuffy-headed knowledge.

And so all was mixed, and has been steadily mixing for 50 years till the difference between truth and error is now nonexistent.

"What difference is there between us and Roman Catholics," the ecumenicalists demands.

"Not much," I respond!

Why, they have drama, we have drama!
They have cathedrals, we have cathedrals!
They have psychology, we have psychology!
They create a mood of worship and we create a mood of worship!
They have music experts and we have music experts!
They have institutions of learning and we have intuitions of learning!
They have removed the reproach of the cross and we have removed the reproach of the cross!
They are like the world and so are we! We are no better! We commit her sins, don't we? We are afflicted by her plagues are we not?

Is there not as much divorce in the church as in the world? Are there not almost as many molesters of boys among our leaders as the celibate priests of Rome? Are we not as spiritually blind as her? Yes, we are no better! Yes, there is little difference between us and them anymore! O countless martyrs, you all died in vain! This harlot seeks not our harm, but our pleasure!

Let us get on with it! Why this endless foreplay? Surely, we are just tempting ourselves! Let us fill up our sins! Let us enter her! Let us go back to Rome!
O' mother of harlots and of abominations in the earth (Rev. 13), we long for thee! Let us come in! Open up and let us come inside Babylon's walls!

Jesus warned, "Take heed that no man deceives you."
From Genesis to Revelation and from first to last, the Bible teaches that God hates mixture!

(Rev. 22:13-15.) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Blessed are they that wash their robes, that they may have the right to come to the tree of life, and my enter in by the gates into the city. Without (the New Jerusalem) are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the murderers, and the idolaters, and every one that loveth and maketh a lie."

Dean Coombs


I'm not trying to open old discussions or debates on this string but only want to testify how God through the Holy Spirit has continued to grow me up and out...It's like jumping across a huge swollen steam and just landing on the other side. You know how you see some one wobble as they get there footing...not wanting to fall backward into the raging torrent...Well I've made it to the other side...and l've got my footing... As l look back l see the flooding...the washing away of houses and dreams built on sand....I can only pray that God will guard me and keep me. It's not to late to throw the life line...I'm convinced that a true word of the Lord only comes through a willingness to be humble.. It's not easy. In fact it can be down right grievous. But we have the 'responsibility of knowledge' ...can we do any less than what's been done for us?
sojourner
Shekel? Dean?

Do you honestly believe that it was God who sent Islam rather than Satan? Are you sure about this?

Sojourner
Miki
Maybe you should put it in another string... blush.gif
jhamner
Wow, I've never read that article before. WOAH NELLY! Powerful stuff.
Shekel
QUOTE(sojourner @ Nov 7 2007, 07:08 AM) [snapback]128804[/snapback]

Shekel? Dean?

Do you honestly believe that it was God who sent Islam rather than Satan? Are you sure about this?

Sojourner


Is the devil so big that God is not in control of him? Remember the leash that Satan was under in the story of Job.

Therefore, when Satan is allowed to bring about so great a calamity as Islam then we must realize that God allowed it.

And why?

Because the church had completely lost its way and so God "removed her lampstand", just as He warned that he would do to the Church of Ephesus in the book of Revelation, (now a Muslim city).

And so this judgement passed upon many places, not merely Ephesus.

So in this sense, and in this sense only, God allowed Islam to spread its darkness over a land that had forsaken its light for Roman Catholicism.
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Miki,
Mine started about a month or so ago....some how I ended up on an ex-Christian forum. I have visited with those people until about a week ago.....some fairly nice people. I kept asking myself, how did I land here Lord, and what is the purpose. Long story short, it has been a faith trying time with all of the discussion and thoughts. I keep asking God please to not let me fall. With that said, I can identify with the last month or so being very "something". I feel as though there is a change happening, but I don't know how to describe the events. If there is a falling away or confusion present, I don't wish to be a part. Additionally, I feel as though I am being called out of my normal Sunday church somewhat....not so much by the ex-Christian conversations, but by something. Don't know if that helps, but it makes me worried for humanity as a whole, due to the fact that I consider myself very strong Spriitually. I think it would probably classify as an attack. I am praying for all and please do the same for me. Thanks, Ed
Miki
Hi Ed...Here you said:

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Hey, my name is Ed. I am part of a study group in west Texas. Great to find this forum as I feel as though I belong. Conventional church has left me more times than not mostly flat as there seems to be no urgency to venture past the initial stages of the walk. Please pray for me as my attitude is not always as it should be. I love the Lord


You probably are experiencing a change but the devil wants to use it to try to discourage you.

Love is your escape...not necessarily the door. It seems he calls us out spiritually first. Then comes the tricky part where the enemy wants us to throw in the towel. But instead of throwing it in we become the light. Perhaps we might even use it to wash a few feet. Meaning we humble ourselves knowing that God loves these people and IF we are willing he will use us. Most people choose the door and possibly for them that is the right answer...others have another calling. This is hard and not recommended for everybody.

sojourner
QUOTE(Shekel @ Nov 8 2007, 06:03 PM) [snapback]129072[/snapback]

QUOTE(sojourner @ Nov 7 2007, 07:08 AM) [snapback]128804[/snapback]

Shekel? Dean?

Do you honestly believe that it was God who sent Islam rather than Satan? Are you sure about this?

Sojourner


Is the devil so big that God is not in control of him? Remember the leash that Satan was under in the story of Job.

Therefore, when Satan is allowed to bring about so great a calamity as Islam then we must realize that God allowed it.

And why?

Because the church had completely lost its way and so God "removed her lampstand", just as He warned that he would do to the Church of Ephesus in the book of Revelation, (now a Muslim city).




Dearest Dean,

Here is your mistake. If you look closely into history you will see that your version of the story is slightly askew. By the 7th century, during the time of Mohamed, a rift had been growing for some time between the eastern Church and the western Church. As I have pointed out before, paganism was a constant threat for our infant faith as it spread to the nations and it was a constant struggle for our early church fathers to keep things straight. Consequently we have the famous debates between St. Augustine and Faustus (a gnostic) and the writings of Ignatius, Polycarp and many others too numerous to mention here. Men like Mani (Manicaenism) and Arius (Arianism) kept trying to inject eastern thought into our Judao-Christian faith. And, as we all know, by the 7th century almost all that was left of the ROMAN EMPIRE was Constantinople. Known today as Istanbul. Even if the city of Rome still existed, geographically speaking, in Italy, precious little remained of it's former grandier. The emperor's throne was in Constantinople. This is eighth grade history, I'm not making this up. If you were paying attention in your eighth grade history class it all should be coming back to you now. And, of course these are things you can't possibly find in the Bible since the canon was closed in the 4th century. So Sola Scriptura will not help you here.

So, by the 7th century Christianity was becoming a force to be reckoned with and Satan appeared in a cave to Mohamed and got his attention by nearly choking him to death. Of course he lied and told Mohamed that he was the archangel Gabriel. In ignorance Mohamed believed him and thus began all out war, Rev. 12:13-18. Islam began it's conquest of convert or die and all but snuffed out the eastern Church. Not the western Church, or what you call Roman Catholicism. So you see this was Satan's work not God's work. But as you say, God is ultimately in control, by allowing these things to go on. Therefore, bad things happen to good people as we all know. I'm sure you do not believe that the Christians who were mauled to death by lions in the Roman arena were being punished by God. Of course not. So you really do need to re-evaluate how you look at things. You are turning things upside down when you say that it was God's wrath against a faultering church. You are inventing your own scenario here. Read Revelation with eyes that see, and you will understand. Islam is the faith of the anti-christ and is chasing the Bride of Christ. Know that Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world today because of a very powerful, very dark driving force behind it.

Only in the Catholic Mass will you hear night and day "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty," Rev. 4:8, and a virtual army of priests undefiled by women.

sojourner


And so this judgement passed upon many places, not merely Ephesus.

So in this sense, and in this sense only, God allowed Islam to spread its darkness over a land that had forsaken its light for Roman Catholicism.



oops wub.gif sorry. I did not mean to get literally in between your words here.
Miki
This post is hard to understand..who said what when and where. Please respect the fact that people... even though they believe something that may not be true deserve respect. I wasn't in the cave so can't testify to what took place.
Miki
I would also like to add that we are all decieved by the enemy at times.
The Lord is gentle when he leads those who know nothing out.
sojourner
QUOTE(Miki @ Nov 10 2007, 08:22 AM) [snapback]129350[/snapback]

This post is hard to understand..who said what when and where. Please respect the fact that people... even though they believe something that may not be true deserve respect. I wasn't in the cave so can't testify to what took place.




Miki, the encounter in the cave is Mohamed's story as he told it. I probably screwed up the message because the last 3 lines belong to shekel.

But believe me, I have a healthy respect for Islam.

sojourner
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