Dear Christian Brothers and Sisters:

I wanted to make you aware of a website out there that allures unsuspecting Christians to send in comments about a horrid video that is pure blasphemy. If you do email them, your email will get posted "anonymously" onto their atheist forum and will be thoroughly abused. They are not looking for a real discussion. All they want to do is abuse, ridicule, and overwhelm you. I got caught up in the matter and is why I'm posting this message for you here as a warning. Don't get sucked in.

The video I came across was here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ

The website address is http://whywontgodhealamputees.com.

My correspondence can be found at http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/in...p?topic=15524.0

If anyone wants to give a good reply to their question about "Why Won't God Heal Amputees?", please post here. I attempted to address their question in several posts in the thread on their forum (above).

{Note: There was a problem with their website just prior to this post. If it doesn't work, try again later. I got about 40 spam emails today as well, so there could be some net flooding going on.}

I answered them once too, giving them examples of God regrowing surgically removed body parts (toes, a whole foot, a lung.....), but you are right! Even in the face of FACTS, they don't WANT to hear.

Cast not your pearls before swine......

You don't think that the spam emails might be a result of you emailing these people ?

C

Actually, in one of his books, David Cho mentions an amputee that came to him and challenged him about God's ability to heal. Cho shares the testimony how God grew legs for this man in from of their eyes.

I remember him saying "it sounded like sticks breaking and we saw the legs grow."

C

Yeah... I had heard about them on youtube. They post atheist clips asking Christians to answer some "hard core" questions just to taunt them... They don't want any solution or answer to their question: all they want is argue!!!

About the MAIMED being healed by Jesus in the Bible, here goes:

Matthew 15
29And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.

30And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed , and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:



Now, there must be SOMEWHERE MAIMED PEOPLE who are being healed. !!! Question is WHY don't we hear MORE of that? I DO believe that the maimed can be made whole. For instance, the other day, I saw a woman on TV RECEIVING a BACKBONE!!!

.... and she was born WITHOUT ONE! In a way, she was maimed, in that she could not stand up, nor walk, but had to remain in a wheelchair all of her life.

Anne - thanks for this info! This is the type thing we should track. Do you have a source where I can get that backbone miracle? TV Station? Country? Etc.... Anything would be helpful.

hey I am new. I met tbright on the wwgha forum. It basically is a bashing upon God, faith and Our LOrd Jesus.

I still post on there from time to time just to show them the love of Christ.


Not sure they want it.


Although it was good to sharpen my beliefs and knowledge of God's word.

They do seem to contradict themselves. They claim Jesus, God are totally imaginary then call him jerk, liar, murederer, and on and on. If they don't want to believe fine. But why do they insist on saying bad things about him, obviuosly they must doubt even a little bit that he might be real. So therfore he is bad so they don't have to accept their "sin" and the problems it causes.


thanks!

http://www.davidcho.com/NewEng/sermonpage.asp?id=22

You have to look in a book, mmmm, I read this about 25 years ago, but I think it was called "The Key to the Forth Dimension" By Dr Cho of the above link ministry

This is the book: But I cannot tell you 100% for sure if that miracle is recorded in here, but I think so.
God grew back the legs of a man, with no legs, in front of their eyes.

Maybe you can get an email through to Dr. Cho, its not impossible.

C



http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcx=81412890&aid=frg

I do not know what he teaches anymore these days, and I cannot underwrite what he says, so this is not a stamp of approval on his ministry, neither am I shooting him down. Its been 25 years since I looked at his ministry.

In answer to the website's posters...

Why should God heal amputees? What obligation does he have to mankind?

If mankind got what they "deserved," we'd all be thrust into hell immediately, would we not?

The fact that we're all still alive and breathing to debate such matters shows God's mercy, does it not?

Besides, who says God agreed with the decision for a doctor to surgically remove someone's limb in the first place? Now, God is required to "grow it back?"

Is God required to grow back limbs of a person born without any? He fashioned that person in the womb, did he not?

It's time for a little perspective on who God is and who we are in relation.

The Lord Jesus Christ will have his day.

I pray that those that spew forth such filth about Him will fall on him and be broken, BEFORE he falls on them, and THEY ARE CRUSHED!

Safely in Him,

Mike


www.oneark.org - 'cause it's important to know

Alas, I don't remember. There is so much info around! I believe I saw on TBN (program "Praise the Lord"); it was a guest who was showing a clip. I am still not quite sure there is where I saw it...
All I could remember is the lady receiving her backbone!

None, unless God wishes to call Himself "good."
What if for one penny I could save thousands of people from starvation, or by just by lifting one finger, a fraction of an inch, release hundreds of thousands of people who are there in the first place for trying to follow me, from Nazi like death camps in various countries, but I did nothing. If I called myself "good" or "loving" maybe, just maybe a case could be made that I do have some obligation, if only for my names sake.

I found a video that helps to put things in perspective.

Startling Proofs: Does God Really Exist?

Enjoy!

Like I said...perspective...

God sent his one and only begotten son--the pride and joy of the Father himself--to a sinful, destitute, and rebellious world. He was taken by lawless men and crucified after living a perfectly sinless and holy life.

In that, God the Father poured out the wrath due me, you, and them upon, I say again, his one and only begotten son, so that in repenting of our sin and believing that the Lord Jesus Christ is indeed "THE SON OF GOD," we can be redeemed, clothed with the righteousness of Christ, and given eternal life with Him in heaven forever.

As I asked, "What obligation does he have to mankind?"

God stands in the state of being good.

Who are we to confirm him? Perspective...

In Christ,

Mike


P.S. Job is a good book to read for understanding in such matters.

Jesus paid the price of the sins of the world. I believe this and realize it was a MAJOR, costly thing for God to do. The problem is that God having done the hard part, seems so reluctant to do the small minor things (in respect to His infinite power)in this life which would make so much difference to so many people.

isn't it amazing that we think of people that have gross physical
problems as some how less than one without.

if you ask a person with major medical problems or birth defects,
it is often that God works through these persons to point us to our
blessings and also to point us to our particular "sin" nature.

why him? why don't you heal him? when many times what we are
really saying is, why me...why can't you do this for me?

it is a way that God blesses and God is sovereign and of course,
it doesn't make sense and often seems tragic.

His ways are above our ways...

i worked in nursing for some years and have seen all kinds of
things...and there are pronounced steps to the grieving process.
God is in every step of that process and takes one step with each of us
when we suffer loss.

that loss can be the life of a loved one, a marriage that dissolves,
the loss of a pet that runs away, the friend that betrays, the loss
of a limb, or the loss of youth preparing for the next stage of life.

God is not far from the one that's heart is being prepared for
the next step...spiritual growth and a witness to God's grace.

those that ask the kinds of questions are really seeking God, in a
negative sense and want Him to answer them, sort of anonymously.

i hope that He will. many will be snatched right out of unbelief
by the tragic occurances and brought before the mercy seat of God,
for there is no where else for comfort, peace or answers.

God is good. sometimes He answers in a miracle, or sometimes He
answers in silence. the wisdom is to learn to discern...and we are
taught by the Word that we do not know the beginning from the end,
so how can we judge God?

blessings,
signet

This is a great link. it is a very professionally made documentary. Thanks Tony for bringing it here.

It also links to alot of other videos and websites. I joined the mailing list for Laurence Tissdale at this address truth@godsphere.com Alot of great young earth creationist info and apologetics available!


Thanks!

Thanks for the link!

I took your advice and emailed them this response.

Subject: faithless and perverse generation

To: comment@whywontgodhealamputees.com

This is the day of wrath. Those who have the faith to return the severed limbs will instead shut up the heavens and dry up the earth so that all of the vanity of man will cease to exist. So when you see the oceans and water supplies on the face of the earth turn to blood like the blood of a dead man. Then know that the power that did it was offered to you but your vanity and hatred towards God and Christ would not allow you to find it. All you had to do, even without legs or arms is follow Christ's example. It was that simple. The destruction of this planet will all start in July. After things get well under way you might be able to find a camp of the Lord. The leader of that camp will be able to restore your limbs. It is a minor thing. But until then you will not be able to find them.

But you can become one of them. there is time left upto 1290 days after it starts.
Get baptized While there is still water. Cut off your hair put on sackcloth and go into the wilderness. Do Not prepare your way back to the pig pen in any way. If you have the spirit of "In Case I Fail" about you. You Have already failed. Pray and fast eating and drinking nothing for 40 days. The Lord will meet you there and make His home with you.

I really think we will see alot more of these types of people soon. They seem to be out just to mock our faith, and turn us away from what we belive in.

But hey that's what being a Christians all about. I really did laugh the whole way through the Youtube video. It was quite funny. HA ha ha ha

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If you want to track my text im "burnbluefox" on the responses.

Asking the question, "Why won't God heal amputees?" is like asking if you still beat your wife. Why won't God buy me a pink Cadillac? This is another version of this kind of thinking. When did God say that He won't heal an amputee? When did God say He won't buy me a pink Cadillac? Funny stuff except the wails of Death from atheists are so annoying even they have to do something as a diversion.

atheists wil just be them selves we have to learn how to see them for who they are


this is one of my rules with the orginisation i work for i cant save every client that comes into my care


i see to many workers especialy christian workers thinking they will be able to turn the world up side down


atheists have been among us since christ walked this earth did christ ever go into atheist communites and waste his time arguing with atheists ? he only responded to the ones who listened to what he had to say


even though he found him self in villages that served other gods


paul also delt with atheists in the villages and citys he found him self in he took the time to study their culture he observed what the people believed in and once he had enough information he used this to win people over

i do this in what ever suburb i find my self living in i take my time to learn about the history of the town i also check out the churches i also look at the cultured groups living with in the suburbs i find my self living in

sydney has the biggest atheist community we have our own gay community we also have our own orthadox churches sydney has a lot of mosques we have hindus we have buhdists we have scientologists new agers

the chinese comunity follow their own custums and they have their own gods they worship

hear wear i live i walk past a hindu temple this group live in the compound not once have they been rude to me i say hello the guys taking care of the grounds say hello to me or smile at me


the cultured groups who live in the city i am living in have brought their own customs not many let go each cultured group speaks its own language even though the kids try to be difrent i love walking in the mall i like the smell from the food stores set up in the plaza for five bucks you can eat all you want

if i can give one peace of advice dont bother arguing with an atheist dont see an atheist as a bad person though i have seen god use born again atheists to win their own kind over


god bless from damo

Thank you Tony for making us aware. I did not know about this.

Well , somebody without an eye, would be an amputee of sort. I have heard of at least two people who have received new eyes , after having a glass eye for a while. The one I met , the other was told of by the pastor who prayed for her. This lady came up every time he prayed for the sick for years, and she was cross-eyed. So he thought, she was coming to be healed of that. But every time she went back the same. Until one day, when he came to her, she said: "This is my day" She fell down and out popped a glass eye and while they watched, the new eye formed.

The other lady , I met years ago. Petti Wagner gave her testimony of how the Lord brought her back to life and then also gave her a new eye after a while. This was a known fact, because all of those around her , knew she had a glass eye before.


Anyway, we are not told that people will receive faith when they hear about miracles. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.You will find that most people will just want to find some proof that God did in fact NOT heal somebody. That makes them relax a bit, because if they can prove that God does not heal, they will not have to walk that road of faith at all. "If it is God's will" is their favorite saying. Interpretation : I will not put my faith out anywhere.C

Well, isn't that special.
Our South African friend has 'heard' of 'at least' two people who miraculously 'grew' a new eye.

That's proof enough for me.

Although I do wonder why I haven't seen this nameless lady ( and her baffled physician ) on CNN.

Is there anybody here who is just a bit curious about truth or are we all just gathered here to lull each other into a superstitious stupor?

Re-growing an eye ! What, for Rice Cakes, is the matter with you ?

V.

LOL you are funny.I did not write this to convince you or anybody, but you reaction is Biblical.

You missed this part :

It means , no matter how clever you are, (and I know you are no fool ) you will not believe it. Even when and if you were to see it happen. I have seen people get up from situations that resembled death, and I must admit that I doubted at that moment that it was real. I had no way of knowing how sick they really were to start with. But then , as I said, the Bible says: We do not believe by seeing, we believe when we hear and that hearing only comes through the Word of God. Now THAT is something I have experienced and many here will also tell you they know what I mean.
But if you have NOT heard in this way, you will not believe.(or rather, you cannot believe ) I also know that you have not heard in this manner yet.

I have no judgment against people who do not believe. I feel no anger toward you. I will not try and "convert" you.

C

Oh and her name is Petti Wagner

I did not hear of her, I met her.

Not that this would matter (for the same reasons as mentioned above ) but I prayed for a friend of mine who broke the cartilage in her knee.We had the x-rays to prove the fracture. After prayer, we also had the x-rays to prove that it was now no longer broken. As any doctor will tell you, that is impossible.That friend of mine then went and became a hockey star in our country with that knee.

A young man here in my country too: His foot was destroyed in an accident. I admit that it took close to seven prayer sessions, but the x-rays taken in his case also show, that the disintegrated bones in his foot somehow managed to come together again. From what use to be pulp, is now foot again. And he can walk on it.

I have video of people getting cured of cancer in a way that you can see it.Not one, but many. In Africa we have sickness that the rest of you cannot even imagine. Some people are being eaten alive by cancer with no medical help. One such man was picked up next to the road and his whole backside was eaten away. The sore was about six inches across and three deep. He was visibly cured during a period of three days (the camera stayed with him and recorded it all ) after prayer. What can I say, this is Africa, here they film your backside and then give it out as evidence.

C

Amen C

I've never heard of God regrowing removed body parts. When and where has that ever happened?

You don't believe in the miracles of Christ or the things that He taught His

disciples to do?

What do you believe in?

Why are you here?





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Ha ha, I bet the non-believers would be really annoyed with my answers on this one!

In short, God doesn't owe you anything, and if He wanted, could chop off all your limbs and still be God and Holy. We are all sinners who deserve DEATH.

I am blessed to have all my limbs, but if I lose an arm or finger or what have you, I will not be upset with God if it isn't grown back. Jesus did help some amputees, but even still, I don't see how any non-believer could see this as a way to challenge belief in God.

If non-believers think God is being mean now by not helping amputees (he probably helps tons we don't hear about anyhow), rest assured they'll really think He's mean when He tosses them into a lake of fire and eternal torment for their rejection of His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Love that He has shown mankind!

Harsh, I know, but c'mon why does everyone seem to think God owes mankind something!?

So when people argue, both sides don't want any solution or answers to their question?


Actually, the argument (the way I assume it) is amputee prayers after the age of the apostles - not before or during.

He created mankind...


Or in other words, we should be thankful that God didn't purposely give us the disadvantage of causality.


?

Sounds like untouched causality.


No he isn't.

On a side note, what about the people born without limbs? ;'(


Did he really? So why did he make some people born with a missing limb and others not? Are you going to tell me, that God's ways are far too advanced and complex for us to comprehend? And yet you know it is true?

This is actually not a good analogy, nor is it worth sympathizing.

Ask them what, exactly?



What exactly does a birth-defect person point to our blessings?

Are you implying we should feel grateful that we aren't like that? That we can look at the birth-defect people as a personal gain that we aren't that way?

How about - people with birth defect suffer a more biological (genetic) disadvantage than those that are not?


How can we judge God? Same way we judge people.

Neal C.

I'm having trouble understanding the very premise of the Bible that all humans are deserving of God's wrath.

I keep hearing that we deserve to be put in hell, and that God really was under no obligation to send Jesus to die for our sins.

From my understanding of the Bible, I see a God who created humans in his own image and likeness, yet they were made with the ability to make a wrong choice, which they most certainly did, and that is why "there is none righteous, no not one". So if "all have sinned and fallen short", then there was never any possible way for some to _not_ fall short. And so we have no choice in the matter. We were all brought into the world and sooner or later we will commit sin no matter how hard we try. If all of us are in that same sorry state, why would it be OK for God to burn us in hell forever? If he did that then he wouldn't be a "just" God, so he had no choice but to send Jesus, the Lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world.

So no, God didn't have the right to burn us all in hell unless he is not a just God. Surely, no just individual would send the entire human race to hell because they're only crime was that they were created just as he made them: human.

And so if every human was born with a nature that is always fighting against God's ways, how is God "just" in condemning them all? This is his creation! He made humans to be human, not to be cherubs! If he wanted us to be perfect, why not make us perfect? I know that the subject of "free will" will come up now, but there is no "free will" in being born into a sinful state. You're a sinner whether you like it or not, but you didn't have a "choice" in that matter. You might say that God wanted us to choose him freely without becoming mindless drones, but when the only other option is a gaping fiery lake hanging over our heads, what choice do we have in the matter? I'd have rather been programmed to love God then to have born into a world where I have no choice but to be under God's judgment. And if I don't try to "fix" things by accepting that God has paid the penalty that we somehow deserve, even though we were created in his own image and likeness with a nature that naturally goes astray, then I'm under his wrath....? How does this make sense?

If I was to buy a lizard as a pet, for example, and put one of my fingers in front of its mouth and i got my finger chomped in the process, how is that the fault of the lizard? The lizard was just reacting according to his nature. Should I kill my pet lizard now because it bit me? No, that's preposterous - that's what lizards do sometimes. Should I blame the lizard for being a lizard? No, but that is exactly what God does to us - blames us for being human.

Because we're all evil! We all deserve to go to Hell!


Exactly.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it?


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You said God made us in his image. So if we are evil, and we are made in his image, God might be evil too!

I agree that we shouldn't _still_ _be_ _punished_ today for what Adam and Eve did - Adam and Eve's 1st sin. God can't get over that it was 6,000 years ago.

It is one thing to postulate that an all-powerful entity exists.
Why people also assume that said entity is benign I am not sure of.
For all we know we could be stuck under the magnifying glass of a celestial teenager.
A quick glance at our planet, teeming with critters, animal and somewhat human, spending most of their time devouring one another , makes me think that the magnifying glass theory isn’t all that far fetched.
I’d make a much better creator. We’d all be vegetarians and all women would look like Jennifer Connelly in “The Hot Spot”.
Feel the burn baby.
V.

Again, every human came into the world 'wired' with a nature that goes astray. This is how we were created by God, the very God that condemns us for the nature which he gave us. Adam and Eve were no different except that they were the first people to display this 'nature'. If 'none are righteous', then Adam and Eve certainly were not, for if they had been they wouldn't have eaten of the forbidden fruit. But the fact is, they were created with a curious and error-prone nature, and so just like with any human, it was only a matter of time before they 'fell short of the glory of God'. But again, how could any human not fall short? It's not like we each decided, "hey, I'm gonna be a sinner when I come into the world". No, we just popped into the world labeled as sinners and under God's wrath. I don't understand how any human could possibly have prevented that, since none have. So how is God able to condemn us all for the way he made us?

Listen, you're using the Christian definition that "we are all sinners." Obviously, Christians will believe that.

This is a tactic to get people into religion. There's more to religion than "don't do this" and "don't do that." It's "do this" and "do that."

See, the point of Christianity (besides the Jesus saga) is to accept the fact that everyone is a sinner, defaultly a sinner, and 1 must go about a process of repenting, to no longer be a sinner. That's how to be saved. (And I guess their logic implies that everytime you sin, you must repent.)

Note that, sin when used in atheism/agnosticism, is a weasel word. What does sin mean? What does holy mean? Doesn't holy mean "of God?" Or like God? Doesn't sin mean "of not like God?" So clearly by that definition, all humans are sinners.

Or sin means something condemned by God. By this 2nd definition, it should be at least possible for someone not to be a sinner.

It's certainly okay to ask what seems like a flaw in Christianity on how to get around it, imo.

This is why I expect to go to Hell in Christianity. In fact, I expect to go to Hell in all the world religions that has 1 or the equivalent of 1.

It could be that God is not a loving God.

Or, surprise us and we might still go to Heaven/equivalent even if we are sinners.

Neal.

By his omnipotence..

Neal,

Please try to refrain from confusing religion with Christianity after-all there is such a vast difference. And in your posts you and Jehu are speaking so much about sin without speaking about GRACE? Why is it that we humans have a deep understanding of sin while only a superficial understanding of Grace? Our God Loves us very dearly so much that he sent his son to die for us:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rqb1BG4JU...feature=related

Neal have a great day.

Shalom,

Al

PS- Vissonary, great to read your post!

Al

Oops.

I'll uh, rephrase.

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Listen, you're using the Christian definition that "we are all sinners." Obviously, Christians will believe that.

This is a tactic to get people into religion [ Christianity ]. There's more to religion [ Christianity ] than "don't do this" and "don't do that." It's "do this" and "do that."

See, the point of Christianity (besides the Jesus saga) is to accept the fact that everyone is a sinner, defaultly a sinner, and 1 must go about a process of repenting, to no longer be a sinner. That's how to be saved. (And I guess their logic implies that everytime you sin, you must repent.)

Note that, sin when used in atheism/agnosticism, is a weasel word. What does sin mean? What does holy mean? Doesn't holy mean "of God?" Or like God? Doesn't sin mean "of not like God?" So clearly by that definition, all humans are sinners.

Or sin means something condemned by God. By this 2nd definition, it should be at least possible for someone not to be a sinner.

It's certainly okay to ask what seems like a flaw in Christianity on how to get around it, imo.

This is why I expect to go to Hell in Christianity. In fact, I expect to go to Hell in all the world religions that has 1 or the equivalent of 1.

It could be that God is not a loving God.

Or, surprise us and we might still go to Heaven/equivalent even if we are sinners.

Neal.

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Grace..

8. Theology.

a. the freely given, unmerited favor and love of God.
b. the influence or spirit of God operating in humans to regenerate or strengthen them.
c. a virtue or excellence of divine origin: the Christian graces.
d. Also called state of grace. the condition of being in God's favor or one of the elect.

Okay, so we're all sinners *and* God loves us all the the same time.

Imo, we either go to Hell, or we don't go to Hell.

..Most of us don't believe in an in between...


This should cancel out with God's wrath to us on the Adam and Eve's 1st sin.

Back to neutral God.

Neal C.

Vissarion makes a very valid point here:



I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7

The hebrew word for evil here is: 'ra' which means evil רע

יוצר אור ובורא חשך עשה שלום ובורא רע אני יהוה עשה כל־אלה׃

If one says, 'no, that only means 'confusion' , well, it can mean 'calamity' but in hebrew it means unmitigated 'evil'. God is autonomous and 'evil' is at his command.

Notice in I Corinthians 14:33:

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all assemblies of believers.

Therefore Vissarion's comment, according to the hebrew and Rabbinically speaking is correct.

"But evil will come on you Which you will not know how to charm away; And disaster will fall on you For which you cannot atone; And destruction about which you do not know Will come on you suddenly. Isaiah 47:11

One cannot rationalize away the 'evil' that God commands by saying that He sends Satan to do His bidding.

4 Moses said, "Thus says the LORD, 'About midnight I am going out into the midst of Egypt, 5 and all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the firstborn of the Pharaoh who sits on his throne, even to the firstborn of the slave girl who is behind the millstones; all the firstborn of the cattle as well. 6 'Moreover, there shall be a great cry in all the land of Egypt, such as there has not been before and such as shall never be again. 7 'But against any of the sons of Israel a dog will not even bark, whether against man or beast, that you may understand how the LORD makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.'

Exodus 11:5


'For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments-- I am the LORD.
Exodus 12:12



Now it came about at midnight that the LORD struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of cattle.
Exodus 12:29



Some of those firstborn were little innocent children, babies, infants ... were they deserving of God's wrath? Did not Abraham plead with God -

That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
Genesis 18:25



Of course for Job, this was not an issue ....

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him. Job 13:15


God, or in deference to Vissarion, 'the entity' says ...

(especially concerning antisemites and those who hate Israel)


9 ........for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 10 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Exodus 20:5,6 & Deuteronomy 5:9,10


For if God did not spare the natural branches, he certainly will not spare you, either.
Romans 11:21

bc/ri/11:11 scripture ref.



Good to see you back Vissarion. Always enjoy your posts which are challenging
and interesting.

v

There is no evil IN God according to the Word of God.

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
James 1:17


God may use evil to effect His purposes with the obstinate and unrepentant person.

As stated above -

The hebrew word for evil is: 'ra' which means evil - רע

יוצר אור ובורא חשך עשה שלום ובורא רע אני יהוה עשה כל־אלה׃

If one says, 'no, that only means 'confusion' , yes, it can mean 'calamity' but in hebrew it means unmitigated 'evil'. God is autonomous and 'evil' as unmitigated calamity is at His command. Though He is not the author of confusion and is actually the author of order ... He will allow the disorder and anarchy of man, or of Satan to fulfill His Word, even at the expense of human life.


The Holocaust of six-million Jews in a pre-planned, pre-meditated genocide by the Germans is evidence of this.
http://www.spectacle.org/696/goldhag.html

Yet God allowed this, up to a point. The nation of Israel was borne out of those ashes and prophetically exists today. While Germans still attempt to come to grips with the actions of their progenitors, Israel has nothing to be ashamed of, standing proudly with her head held high as God's Chosen people.
http://christianactionforisrael.org/czionism.html




King David felt justified by God, and as His servant, to say -
I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.
Psalm 139:22

Moses, the servant of God in the eternal Torah said -
Justice, and only justice, you shall pursue, that you may live and possess the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
Deuteronomy 16:20


The Lord in justification of His autonomy and omnipotence, thus says to man -

You turn things upside down! Is the potter no better than his clay? Can something that has been made say about its maker, "He didn't make me"? Can a piece of pottery say about the potter, "He doesn't understand"?
Isaiah 29:16



"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '?
Isaiah 45:9


Joseph, mercifully speaking to his own Jewish brothers, who he loved passionately, explained the purposes of God to them -

But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
Genesis 50:20


Job in yielding, trusting faith said:

Though He slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before Him. Job 13:15