Types and shadows. If the Lord has shown you any then please share them with us all.

I love looking into the Bible and seeing the types and shadows. Its like learning a new language and God keeps on adding to it.

I will share a few that I understand:

God uses people to point to groups of people: For instance : when we look at Jacob, who becomes Israel, and now a whole group of people are called Israel.
But not only do the types and shadows point to the physical but they all have an application for us in the spirit as well, as we know that “Israel” also now has a spiritual counterpart in the church.

Rom 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 neither, because they are Abraham's seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.

OK, so now we have one already that we can look at:
1) We can see Israel in the flesh and their history
2) We can see Israel in the spirit as the church
3) Now we can also look in certain instances, God uses Jacob (before he became Israel ) as a type and shadow forJesus as well

Once we have that, we can slowly start to look at those related to Jacob as well, because they will also be types and shadows .From there we move on to see if we can find other types that relate. For instance: Jacob has two wives, which we will see represents Israel and the church in one layer of this type and shadow. (Do not worry that there are more than one layer, it is meant to be) So if we look for another story with the same imagery, we can see that in the story of Esther we find it again: The King has two brides, first Queen Vashti and then Queen Esther . Again, Vashti is Israel and Esther is the church.

We will find Jesus in Moses, Joseph and Joshua, King Ahasuerus , David, and many more.We must find out what type and shadow "Mountain" represents. There are the very obvious ones like "water", "bread" "Manna" "Lamb" "lambs"
The we have great ones hidden in some of the rivers, like the Jordan and also the Red Sea.

We have place names that have meaning. God hid revelations in the names of people and those they in turn related to. Some fields have a meaning to the story where they are mentioned.So do some villages and cities.

We can look at some of the laws and see how they point us today and what they are saying in the spirit.

We will see the Great Whore in Jezebel as she points to what the Whore will do in our day.
There are so many examples that the mind reels with info.

If you have any please add them !
love C

somebody(?) on christian radio said recently that:

mountain means THE GOVERNMENT OF GOD

think of MT Sinai
Mt of Olives
the Sermon on the Mount
the Temple Mount where Abe offered Issac, where (or near where) Jesus was crucified,
Mt Zion,
the mountains of Ararat (where the Ark landed)

on the mountain, Elijah called fire down from Heaven, after the prophets of Baal couldn't do it

God (and false gods) were worshipped on the HIGH PLACES (hill-tops),




why is God (Heaven) high above us?.........why are we below God?..........why are mountains high? why are the valleys low?

Why is Hell (sheol) pictured as below us?

Thanks Dennis,
I also see the mountain as a symbol for the Kingdom of God.In other cases it also refers to earthly kingdoms.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high,(Kingdom of God) and showed me the holy city Jerusalem,(Bride) coming down out of heaven from God,
Here is the Kingdom of God and the bride coming down.Jerusalem being a type and shadow of the bride.

Rev 21:2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

Also to understand "heaven" and "earth" we can look at Revelation. It is clear that "heaven" here cannot be a place , but a position. Same as earth , refers also to being in the flesh.

That said, you must see if what I have said can be seen in Scripture, BEFORE you believe it.

OK, follow my reasoning and see:First , we know that there are Christians on earth during the tribulation (even the pre trib believe that) So ask yourself this question, If this next scripture refers to ON THEM WHO DWELL ON THE EARTH it would include ALL the Christians as well, would it not?Everybody on earth !

Rev 6:10 and they cried with a great voice, saying, How long, O Master, the holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

So if this means literal earth, then all Christians must also be judged and those who cried for revenge, that their blood would then be avenged upon the Christians as well, if it is ALL who dwell on earth . So we can see that it does not refer to a place, but to a state, or position.

If you can understand that the "flesh" the NT talks about , is represented here by the word "earth" you will see something. Also then "heaven" (being seated in the heavenlies) is also a position.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ:

But here is the clear one:

Col 3:1 If then ye were raised together with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated on the right hand of God. (that would be heaven)
Col 3:2 Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are upon the earth.
Col 3:3 For ye died, and your life is hid with Christ in God. (remember Christ is in heaven, and He is IN you)
Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with him be manifested in glory.
Col 3:5 Put to death therefore your members which are upon the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry;
Col 3:6 for which things' sake cometh the wrath of God upon the sons of disobedience:

See? We are in heaven and what is on earth?

fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry

Read it again and now you will see it ! Those who have not died to self, still live in the flesh. ALL non Christians live in the flesh (earth) and all Christians are suppose to have taken up their cross and died to self, so that their position may be "In CHrist" and Christ is in heaven. So are we, in position, in heaven through faith.

C

Think of the Ark of the Covenant as a type of the Virgin Mary. Inside was Aaron's Rod that budded; Inside Mary was new, miraculous Life from God.

Inside the Ark was a copy of the Torah; inside Mary was hidden the Word of God.

Inside the Ark was a pot of manna; inside Mary was the True Bread of Heaven.

There are a good many more parallels.

Thank you FO
I do see the ark as a symbol of Jesus. The presence of God going with His people. The Word of God inside it (like you pointed out)

C

Gen 6:18 But I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

Here Noah's ark is also a symbol for Jesus, and it shows us how we would be taken up in Him , when He comes for His saints.
C

thanks!

Aaron's rod that budded, leafed, bloomed, and bore fruit (almonds)..........this is a picture of my christian life.......
(spiritually speaking) i was raised from the dead by the resurrection-power of Christ, and
i bore fruit.........Gal 5;22

or , said another way..........this is a picture of the Christ in me.
Christ said......without Me, ye can do nothing!

i'm going to post in King James English from now on.

i wonder.....
did Aaron eat those almonds?

Here is one.

JESUS IS THE NEW WINE. He changes the water into Wine (Transformation)

John 2.

And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there:

2. And both Jesus was CALLED, and HIS Disciples, to the marriage.

This study has layers upon layers of Amazing points of Transformation...The New Wine, The New Wine skins, The Water, The Wine, The Wedding leaves us guessing of whom is getting married it doesn't say?
certainly he Will come for his Bride again out will come the Groom for his Bride.
God is the Same today, yesterday and forever. There is nothing new under the Sun...SON
Of course the Devil will try to duplicate everything the Word tells us, therefore we are all called to discern the spirits, and seek Jesus' face.

Jesus does His father's Will....and as he was called to do the Father's will, so too his disciples. So that the son glorify the Father, he was sent to save the children from the sins of this World.
If we had no one to submit to, wouldn't then we all get puffed up, and claim ourselves as Gods. But Jesus' character certainly leads us to how he submitted and surrendered all for the sake of God's children, sons and daughters of God. So as the Son submits to the Father, the Father also submits to the son, because there is no greater power on Earth than God's love and grace and mercy.

3. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.????

4. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? Mine hour is not yet come.

So Jesus is saying that the Water, Spirit turns into Wine ....His spirit is in the Water and the Wine,(For he is both and symbolized as the All in All, furfilling all for the Glory of His Father, Our Father who art in Heaven) not the kind of Wine that gets one drunk, unless they allow the Wine to consume them,,,get caught up in the experiences of the Spirit and but not submitting to him in the meekness of the spirit...as some do in our churches of today...pointing others to the experiencing the Spirit yet getting caught in it to the point of it distracting them from the Will of our Father, being sent forth to preach the good news of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our LORD..

Doesn't this make sence? I believe so....cause Jesus also warns us when he tells us though many miracles will be performed and demons my be cast down through those presenting the works of the Spirit they got caught up in the works and not seeking the character of God, in meekness they instead got caught up in the power...A thin line for sure that the Church needs take heed of.

5. His mother saith unto the servants, WHATSOEVER HE SAITH UNTO YOU, DO IT.

Here I believe Jesus gave Mary the words to speak, and the authority to do so...and she is saying that all authority is of God...Giving and Receiving.

Here we have Jesus and our Father whom sent him, allowing Mary to speak in authority to her Son's will.

6. And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the PURIFYING of the JEWS, containing two or three firkins apiece.

7. Jesus saith unto them, fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
Jesus the Cup that RUNNETH OVER.

8. And he saith unto them, DRAW OUT NOW and bear unto the governor of the feast.
And they bare it.
Distribution of the SPIRIT.Literal and Spiritual and Physical action.

9. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and KNEW NOT WHENCE IT WAS:???? (but the servants which DREW THE WATER KNEW;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom.

CALLED THE BRIDEGROOM...Jesus is the Bridegroom here as well...it doesn't say whom is getting married.
I beleive this story is a reflection of Jesus coming for his Bride...but do not know for sure as anyone here whom reads this story cannot know all the answers of who was getting married at that time the story was written...( In Time) It just is amazing and wonderful to know that Jesus will come again to us all.
For he tells Mary that his time is not yet....and so he died and was raised again, for all power and glory and all wisdom was given to him...and furfillled at the Cross...and his Return will be the Marriage. in the meantime..What God has joined let no man seperate...And there is nothing that can separate us from the Love of God.


10. And saith unto him, Every man at the BEGINNING DOTH SET FORTH GOOD WINE; and when men have well drunk, then that which is WORSE: but thou has KEPT THE GOOD WINE UNTIL NOW.

I just wonder if they where literally drunk or feeling tipsy, yet when they drank the Water that was made to wine, they became SOBER THROUGH THE SPIRIT of our LORD...

What an amazing story...Jesus is the Word of all Truth.

This is an amazing story full of layers of the Spirit of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The First and the Last.

Good study C...blessings to you

Yes, I always approach the Old Testament in this way.

It is rich beyond measure, and these layers of types are in itself a type of encoded message.

But only those with faith in the word of God will see it, the rest don't look for what they do not believe they will find.

Thanks Shekel, it would be great if you were to help us add some types and shadows.

Again, like you say its the spirit and not the letter. The letter has only one dimension to it.

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I want to add another layer to the "water into wine"

We see water/ wine/ vessels/ Groom/ wedding feast/ but an important thing is the changing of the water into wine. Right ? Its the theme of this piece in the Bible.

We are vessels according to the Bible. We must fill ourselves with the water of the Word. Then when the time comes (Joh 2:4 And Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. ) Jesus will change the water in us into wine. Wine is a symbol for His blood and the Bible teaches us that the life is in the blood. So this is a picture of the wedding feast, when Jesus will change those with the Word (Christ in them) in them , and give them His ZOE life.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is

Since I'm like a kindergartner l will give a recent one the Lord showed me.

I recently winterized my patio. After doing so l stood gazing and realized something...

About layering.

We have a lot of east wind and SW wind here. I wanted to enclose the patio and yet still let the wind come through. I began with the corner pole. An Iron rod embedded in the cement of the patio. I began to add from there....bracing and over laying as l went .... using old doors and windows...bamboo screening etc.

I was reminded at finishing how God overlays his word...the codes etc. The solid cornerstone and foundation in place the Lord begins to build from there. (OT) Things need to be taken apart in order since they are overlaid and intertwined. It's the best way to see what God is saying. We can't force it. It is done and must be undone the same way. We can still see it but taking it apart always leads back to the corner foundation.

Yes everything MUST lead to our foundation Jesus. The Bible is the testimony of Jesus. It is Him, the Word of God that became flesh.

God uses the types and shadows method, because it is a incredibly rich and powerful way to communicate endless amounts of truth. God will use the same story over and over and He places inside of it, many layers of truth.

He is sovereign and we can see it , in how God sometimes uses characters that we think is "bad" and He makes them into a type and shadow for Himself.

Pharoah (God) in the story of Joseph.
Pharoh (devil) in the story of Moses.
Nebuchadnezer , KIng of kings and the beast.

Solomon, the groom with the Shulammite (bride) and the apostate 666, who builds altars to many religions on the Mount of Olives.

C

C, you mentioned 666......here is an understanding the Lord has blessed me with which I hope will help someone.

6 is the number of MAN who was created on the sixth day.

The Image that Nebuchadnezzar made was 6 cubits by 60 cubits set on the plain of DURA (circle of dwelling) 600 gematria value=666 The image was of a MAN-all were forced to worship this image. this image was a representation of the world empires or governments.

This tells us that God has been dethroned in the lives of humanity who accept this governance of Man over Man.

So, in essence, when you govern YOUR SELF...it is Man ruling Man which is worshiping the image of the Beast=666.

All who reject the rule of God (Christ) in their lives are actually worshiping SELF or the Beast=666.

The coming New World Order is the fulfillment of Man's governance of Man without God. (Psalm 2)

So, individually all unsaved Christ rejectors worship SELF and corporately they will worship the image of the Beast through World Government=666.

THIS IS ANTICHRIST!!! All who worship SELF=Antichrist All who accept the Beast government= Antichrist=666.

You are either marked with 666 or you have rejected SELF rule and enthroned Christ in the Holy Place and submitted to His Word=the Mark of God!

This may be a basic understanding for some, but it really helped me to see that there are only 2 men on the earth Christ and Antichrist.

This is a powerful post Jon ! Bless you.
C

An interesting thought, and well worthy of consideration.

Because the text emphasizes the fact that it was a miracle showing His glory ahead of the time, I think that this phrase is key to understanding it in its symbolism. And you have incorporated this rightly.

But, I take it to simply mean that this ZOE life that you speak of (represented by the blood/wine) was to come later in time, that is at his death, and ultimately, as you implied, at the end of the age at the wedding banquet of the Lamb. But Mary (and the disciples) wanted all that then, and bypass the cross!

And there are other lessons, too.

Amen, once we see this truth, we can learn. It is when we get stuck on ONE only layer, that we stop learning.

In the book of Esther, we see more than one prophetic picture. It fits the time of Jesus, when Vashti (Israel) did not come when the King called, and then God went and got another bride: Esther.

The King had a feat but:Est 1:9 Also Vashti the queen made a feast for the women [color=#FF0000] in the royal house [/color] which belonged to king Ahasuerus.

Interesting. That was true of the Jews (doing their own religious thing, in the "house of the King" )

Interesting: The church is also at the moment having a feast for the woman in the "house of the King"

We see in this story many types and shadows.

Est 1:10 On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine, he commanded Mehuman, Biztha, Harbona, Bigtha, and Abagtha, Zethar, and Carcas, the seven chamberlains that ministered in the presence of Ahasuerus the king,
Est 1:11 to bring Vashti the queen before the king with the crown royal, to show the peoples and the princes her beauty; for she was fair to look on.

Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceed lightnings and voices and thunders. And there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God;

Here is a picture of the unbreakable Word of God:Est 8:8 Write ye also to the Jews, as it pleaseth you, in the king's name, and seal it with the king's ring; for the writing which is written in the king's name, and sealed with the king's ring, may no man reverse.
Est 8:9 Then were the king's scribes called at that time, in the third month Sivan, on the three and twentieth day thereof; and it was written according to all that Mordecai commanded unto the Jews, and to the satraps, and the governors and princes of the provinces which are from India unto Ethiopia, a hundred twenty and seven provinces, unto every province according to the writing thereof, and unto every people after their language, and to the Jews according to their writing, and according to their language.

Joh 10:35 .................. (and the scripture cannot be broken),

I will add more later from Esther.
C

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Articles/..._ben_yosef.html

Jewish tradition actually refers to two redeemers,
each being called Mashiach (Messiah). Both of these redeemers are involved in delivering the Jewish people from galut (exile) and ushering in the long-awaited Messianic era. These two Mashiachs are called Mashiach ben David (Messiah the descendant of David) and Mashiach ben Yosef (Messiah the descendant of Joseph), respectively.

When Jews typically think of “the” Messiah, however, they generally have in mind Mashiach ben David of the tribe of Judah who shall rule in the Messianic age. Mashiach ben Yosef is said to be of the tribe of Ephraim (son of Joseph), and is also sometimes called Mashiach ben Ephraim (Bavl'i Sukah 52b). Mashiach ben Yosef will come first, before the advent of Mashiach ben David, to prepare the world for the coming of the kingdom of the LORD. He will fight God's wars (against “Edom,” collectively understood as the enemies of Israel) in a time preceding the fulfillment of the Messianic Kingdom.

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I do believe ' C ' in the category of, Types & Shadows . . .

And I am very interested, in the continance of the ' Water into Wine '
theme !


Blessings, in the name of Christ the Messiah !

I will need a bit of time , but I will put something together from Scripture, re the water and the wine for you.
C

How about the most obvious one of all that is type and shadow. There are numerous ones. what a wonderful topic.


The day of Atonement(Yom Kippur)

The Sin offering who is Jesus, and the scapegoat(the casting down of Satan and his angels)

Leviticus 16

3 "This is how Aaron is to enter the sanctuary area: with a young bull for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. 4 He is to put on the sacred linen tunic, with linen undergarments next to his body; he is to tie the linen sash around him and put on the linen turban. These are sacred garments; so he must bathe himself with water before he puts them on. 5 From the Israelite community he is to take two male goats for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering.

I think this verse is chock full of stuff. The sin offering is Jesus Christ. How about the sacred gaarments washing with water BEFORE putting them on( a shadow of baptism).

6 "Aaron is to offer the bull for his own sin offering to make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Then he is to take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats—one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat.

15 "He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people and take its blood behind the curtain and do with it as he did with the bull's blood: He shall sprinkle it on the atonement cover and in front of it. 16 In this way he will make atonement for the Most Holy Place because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been. He is to do the same for the Tent of Meeting, which is among them in the midst of their uncleanness. 17 No one is to be in the Tent of Meeting from the time Aaron goes in to make atonement in the Most Holy Place until he comes out, having made atonement for himself, his household and the whole community of Israel.

18 "Then he shall come out to the altar that is before the LORD and make atonement for it. He shall take some of the bull's blood and some of the goat's blood and put it on all the horns of the altar. 19 He shall sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times to cleanse it and to consecrate it from the uncleanness of the Israelites. well this is a shadow of Jesus Christ here)


20 "When Aaron has finished making atonement for the Most Holy Place, the Tent of Meeting and the altar, he shall bring forward the live goat. 21 He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—all their sins—and put them on the goat's head. He shall send the goat away into the desert in the care of a man appointed for the task. 22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a solitary place; and the man shall release it in the desert.

The first appearance of the name "Azazel" is in Leviticus 16:8, when God orders the high priest Aaron to "place lots upon the 2 goats, one marked for the Lord and the other marked for "Azazel" on the Jewish Day of Atonement. The goat designated by lot for the Lord is to be used as a sin offering, while the goat designated for Azazel "shall be left standing alive before the Lord, to make expiation with it and to send it off to the wilderness to Azazel" (Lev. 16:10). Aaron was to "lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat and confess over it all the iniquities and transgressions of the Israelites, whatever their sins, putting them on the head of the goat; and it shall be sent off to the wilderness by someone designated for the task. Thus the goat shall carry on it all their iniquities to an inaccessible region; and the goat shall be set free in the wilderness" (Lev. 16:21-22). Leviticus also says that "He who set the goat for Azazel free shall wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; after that he may reenter the camp" (16:26). This is the origin of the term scape-goat.

Azazel is mentioned in Enoch( a rocky place where the fallen angel Azazel was imprisoned (I Enoch 10-4-6)

The Talmud (Yoma 67b) identifies Azazel the goat was taken into the wilderness and thrown over a cliff in atonement ritual for Yom Kippur.

Azazel is fallen angel could the scapegoat signify Satan and his angels being cast down? A picture of of the day of the Lord. scapegoat is cast over a cliff signifying Satan being ultimately cast into the pit where all sin goes..


Ohh and the washing with water before putting on the sacred garments and after our sins are confessed before the Lord. I would say that signifies baptism. What do you think?

This came to mind also:Rev 19:8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
If the water is the symbol also for the Word, it is also saying: Let your actions be controlled only bu the Word (wash them with the Word ) and you will have clean actions, righteous actions, which are the fine linen of the garment of the Bride


I am still reading the rest of your post too (I just jumped ahead, when I saw it)

I saw something and added it to my post here about the goat of Azazel

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=127434

love C

Yeshua is Messiah!

Of course I'm preaching to the choir here but I realized the Old Testament mentions him by name.

Types and shadows...

First there was Yeshua the leader who led the Israelites into the promised land.
Next there was Yeshua the high priest who was the first one mentioned when they returned to Israel after the babylonian captivity.

Ezra 2:
2Which came with Zerubbabel: Yeshua,

What I realized this morning is that Zechariah comes right out and says Yeshua is the Messiah, he calls Yeshua the High Priest, the Branch.

Zechariah 3:

1And he shewed me Yeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

3Now Yeshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.

Now why would he say that Yeshua was clothed with filthy garments, because Yeshua the High Priest was a man and no man is without iniquity. But if you read further down, he talks of another Yeshua the High Priest with clean garments and no iniquity.

4And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

5And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the LORD stood by.

6And the angel of the LORD protested unto Yeshua, saying,

7Thus saith the LORD of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.

8Hear now, O Yeshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH.

OK, I have some more on this.

As we see, the Bible refers to the garments as the righteous acts of the saints.

Now look at this:

Rev 19:8 And2532 to her846 was granted1325 that2443 she should be arrayed4016 in fine linen,1039 clean2513 and2532 white:2986 for1063 the3588 fine linen1039 is2076 the3588 righteousness1345 of saints.4

G2986λαμπρός
lampros
lam-pros'
From the same as G2985; radiant; by analogy limpid; figuratively magnificent or sumptuous (in appearance): - bright, clear, gay, goodly, gorgeous, white.

This is the clothing of the Bride

Next we have the clothing of the invited guests:

Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they that are bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are true words of God.
Rev 19:10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rev 19:11 And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure.

But this time the Greek is:G3022
λευκός
leukos
lyoo-kos'
From λύκη lukē (“light”); white: - white.

The Bride wears lampros and the invited guests wear leukos

Now if we look in the OT we see about garments: Deu 22:11 Thou shalt not wear a mingled stuff, wool and linen together.

Wool is from the Lamb
Cotton is from flax and is from the earth

Same as the sacrifices of Cain and Able

Gen 4:2 And again she bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto Jehovah.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And Jehovah had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Able offered the Lamb and Cain the "earth fruit" or "his own works" "his flesh" "those that live on the earth " (Revelation)

So : If we WORK to be holy, good enough, do the right things, in order for us to be acceptable to God: We are mixing linen with the wool, offering the fruit of the earth to God.

When we count ourselves dead to sin and alive unto God, we are accepting that the arm of the Lord is not too short to save and all good things that we do, comes from Him and not through our own goodness. He is able, because He already did it all at the cross.

We have been perfected, set free, healed, delivered.........all we must do is accept it by faith and THEN the arm of the Lord will manifest it.

If not: we are offering the wrong sacrifice like Cain

We have to wait for God in faith , so that He can manifest His truth in us:

Isa 64:4 For from of old men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen a God besides thee, who worketh for him that waiteth for him .

God must do it or else you and I have a spotted garment.

C

Here is an important one. If you ever read anything about the vineyard, you will know what God is saying:

Isa 5:7 For the vineyard of Jehovah of hosts is the house of Israel, and the men of Judah his pleasant plant: and he looked for justice, but, behold, oppression; for righteousness, but, behold, a cry.

Here's one for ya, Bethlehem means 'house of bread'.

That is correct, And because Jesus is the Bread that comes down from heaven, the Word of God.......what happens when there is no more Word , Bread? People leave ........

Rth 1:1 And it came to pass in the days when the judges judged, that there was a famine in the land. And a certain man of Bethlehem- judah went to sojourn in the country of Moab, he, and his wife, and his two sons.


Praise God, but the Lord will not leave us without His true unleavened Bread so:

Rth 1:6 Then she arose with her daughters-in-law, that she might return from the country of Moab: for she had heard in the country of Moab how that Jehovah had visited his people in giving them bread.
Rth 1:7 And she went forth out of the place where she was, and her two daughters-in-law with her; and they went on the way to return unto the land of Judah.

Ruth did not want to go back to her god and people,

Rth 1:16 And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, and to return from following after thee, for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge; thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God; Rth 1:17 where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: Jehovah do so to me, and more also, if aught but death part thee and me.
Rth 1:18 And when she saw that she was stedfastly minded to go with her, she left off speaking unto her.
Rth 1:19 So they two went until they came to Bethlehem (the House of Bread)

This story has many types and shadows. I pray that the Lord will open them to us all.
love C

Types shadows and images in the Bible are also seen all around us in nature. The way the Lord teaches us. He loves to use farming. He still teachs by his Holy Spirit this way if you are open to believing and seeing. There isn't an exact science to it...It's only 'like' something. Simple things like..."The fruit closest to vine ripens first"... There is nothing exact about it. You can't go out and research all plants and find out if it's true for all. But on one particular day l found that thought placed in my spirit as food for thought.

WOW ! HOW CORRECT YOU ARE, MIKI :

QUOTE:
..."The fruit closest to vine ripens first"...

And this is why in my opinion, that the Milk versus the Meat eaters, is based on this
quote.

Remember, the first shall be the last, the last shall be first ?

The Meat of the Word, is the closest to the vine and ripens first, to reveal The Milk, that we need to
reflect upon about our first foundations of faith. WE DO NOT WANT TO FORGET, " our first love "
( see Church of Revelation )

And yes, " The fruit closest to the vine ripens first ", and at the harvest of the fruit, both
the first and last fruit will all be subject to the harvest process.

Thank you for reminding me, of this foundation message !

Well thank the Lord for he is the one who whispered it in my ear.

You are so right Miki, God has taught me so much through gardening. Clearing away the old to make way for the new. Death and rebirth. Beautiful flowers followed by sweet fruit. Many lessons.

Adam and Eve were meant to be gardeners.

btw Don, I like your posts.

It is true. Jesus is the vine and He is also the Word , so those closest to the Word,will bear fruit.

Biblically speaking , we are not the fruit, but the branches that bear the fruit:

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

That fruit is Christ in us. The Word is the SEED that fall into our hearts. Some bear no fruit, or:

Mat 13:8 and others fell upon the good ground, and yielded fruit, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

So some will yield fruit thirty, sixty or a hundred fold.

Jesus is coming for the fruit, not the plant.

Mat 3:10 And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:16 By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Mat 13:20 And he that was sown upon the rocky places, this is he that heareth the word, and straightway with joy receiveth it;
Mat 13:21 yet hath he not root in himself, but endureth for a while; and when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, straightway he stumbleth.
Mat 13:22 And he that was sown among the thorns, this is he that heareth the word; and the care of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.




C

Here is another beautiful type and shadow:

God is building His temple (us) This temple is being built by and through faith alone.
No human works are needed to build it.

Look in the type and shadow how no sound of hammers and tools (human works) were heard when the Temple was being built.

1Ki 6:7 And the house, when it was in building, was built of stone made ready at the quarry; and there was neither hammer nor axe nor any tool of iron heard in the house, while it was in building.

What a perfect picture. Total silence and at the same time: The Temple is going up.
Praise God.
C

Dear brother...He wasn't giving me a lesson in hermenutics...He was just loving me.

Jesus was on one occasion mistaken for a gardener.

Mat 3:10 And even now the axe lieth at the root of the trees: every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I have always looked at this as pronounced judgement on Israel, although it wasn't until 40 yrs. later in A.D. 70 that they recieved it. God is always long suffering, and not willing that any should pershish, but it doesn't mean they won't.

Yes Mouser, but the scary thing is, that the same picture is now being moved forward to the today church.

We are now Vashti and the King is calling and we are not coming. We are having our own party in the King's house. The tree is not bearing fruit again, and again God is warning us. Again few will listen and again He will use the axe.

Interesting how God will now turn back to the Jewish remnant, when the church is doing her own thing.

THEN: Out of both (church and Israel) will come the final remnant. (Esther) Its actually rather amazing.

Both will be rejected and out of both comes the final group.

C

So if souls aren't fruit (but branches)- then what is the fruit?

In short: The Word is the SEED, that falls in your heart, if it finds good soil, it will produce a crop of what ???? WORD of course, seeing that seed produces after seed.

What is the Word?Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

So God produces God in us, through the seed of the Word. That is the fruit.

Mat 13:8 and others fell upon the good ground, and yielded fruit, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Some more than others

..............................................................

(that was the short version ) now here is a little bit more:


Christ in you is the fruit that must come forth.

We have nothing to offer God, not even our own good or best is good enough.

Isa 64:6 For we are all become as one that is unclean, and [b]all our righteousnesses [/b] are as a polluted garment: and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

So we have to come to the end of ourselves and our efforts and our doing and US. Only then can the Gospel do something for us. It is the point where we actually realise that we cannot do ANYTHING, bad or good, to add to our salvation.

what then are the works that God wants?

FAITH in the fact that He has done all that needs to be done already. Even our fruit, must come from Him.We really, really have to believe and confess that we have been crucified with Christ. The moment you realise that, that is what God wants, and you take this to be a "Faith Fact" it will be so in God;s eyes.
God will also then count you as dead.
When God counts you as dead, you and Him, will agree that it is now Christ that lives in you. Again, by FAITH

So, God tells us : Let it be to you according to your faith..

Do you have faith that you are dead and that Christ now lives in you?

Good,.......... then He lives in you.

Only now, when we give up, will the Holy Spirit take over and make this real in your life.

The same with all the promises. Perfection (or maturity) in Christ, overcoming, all through faith.


You and I must produce fruit through faith in the fact that God has done it already in us. Then we wait in faith, for Him to manifest it in us.

Have the Word settle in your heart, water it with more Word and wait: God must do the next step Himself!
God's arm is not too short to do this. He is well able. Trust HIM.


C

PS, The short version above is really your answer !

Ah! Now we're talking.

You might want to ask Shekel about his dream of the Sun and the Moon and the Tree.

Shekel promised to find the posts with his name in them, so: Shekel be so kind and leave us a link and a commend
C

Hmmm....

OK. I'm convinced that the seed produces the Word (I've been studying the parable of the sower lately). "Each after its own kind." It's the only thing that makes sense. The Bible plainly says it is so. Got it.

But something isn't quite right to me about the "seed" being the fruit. HMMMMM...

I was pacing the cafeteria thinking this through today during lunch duty, praying for clarity.

Something isn't clicking here. Seems to me that the seed (Word) and the fruit are two different things. Fruit contains the seed (the Word). I am NOT an egg- but I contain eggs with ability to reproduce. You see what I am saying?

What does the fruit look like? The Word is made flesh... ??? (Thinking about the flesh of fruit...)???

Adam was made from dust. OK. This makes sense- because most seeds only produce in the ground. So, our hearts are the soil (dirt). The seed grows and produces fruit... that reproduces more fruit (containing seeds)... that reproduces more fruit (containing seeds).


OK... More thinking...

Jesus is the Vine and we are the branches- the fruit (containing the seed) hangs off of us.

FRUITS. IT JUST HIT ME LIKE BRICKS. DOI!

Galatians 5:22-23 (ASV)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

23 meekness, self-control; against such there is no law.



OK. Makes sense. Against such there is NO LAW...

Romans 8:1-2
There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

Is anyone else following me????? ANYBODY (as I hear an echo)? LOL!
Sorry you guys had to endure my thought processes.
Again- just thinking outloud.

ATTENTION JHAMMER : Your commentary about fruit's . . . reminded
me of this dream posting about fruit :

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry127622

POST #14 : Vision: The Flight Of Wisdom

. . . The Fruit of Love, is connected to the word of wisdom . . .

Seed produces after its own kind

The seed does not look like the fruit , but contains the "DNA" of the fruit.

The Word is the Seed, and is also God. It produces after its own kind.

The seed of God , produces God.

Christ (the Word) is in you as a seed (Christ in you the hope of glory)

Mary said: Let it be to me according to Thy WORD (and then Jesus came, after she received the Word)
We too are receiving the Word and we too will bring forth Christ.

2Th 1:10 when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be marvelled at in all them that believed (because our testimony unto you was believed) in that day.

The fruit of the Spirit can only come from the Spirit and not from flesh. We are dead and Christ lives in us: It is His fruit, not ours.

Some thirty, some sixty and some a hundred fold.

Some produce more fruit than others.

1Co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.

RADIOACTIVITY AND SIN!

Both are invisible but their results are evident! Plus readioactivity will burn you like an unquenchable fire and it takes THOUSANDS OF YEARS to wear off!

BOMBS AND TIME
A BOMB is always tied to a CLOCK; and it always takes someone from the outside to click on the button, sooner or later, one day or another... then it's A COUNTDOWN until it explodes.

The same works with life. We all have so much time allocated and if we don't take care, we will die unawares. From our birth, our lives ARE a countdown!

WATER AND LIFE!
No water, no life! Regular water will make us thirsty again, but the WATERS Jesus has to offer will never make us thirsty again.

Ho, everyone that thirstest, come ye to the waters, and he who has no money, come, yea come, buy wine and milk without money and without price!

out of every believer shall flow rivers of living waters!

No water, no life. Demons haunt DRY PLACES!

and so on...

Perhaps it is this link that you were thinking of. I did not have a dream about it thoug. It was a code.

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...ost&p=19450



Although I did have a dream about a constellation in the sky forming a throne upon which the overcomer was to sit.



http://www.bible-codes.org/arafat-Tsunami-...ecy-3-comet.htm



(Revelation 3:21-22) "He that overcometh, I will give to him to sit down with me in my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith to the churches."











See http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...st&p=128648

Thank Shekel, but your last link to the dream, takes us straight back to this thread..... . .. like a reoccurring dream !!


C

Its my fault.

Shekel never had the dream!

I dreamed he had the dream.

But in fact it was someone else.

Wheat

So you dreamt that he had a dream about dreaming . I never dreamt that this dream thing could be so dreamy.

C