Don't worry too much but we can be sure that God was not saying anything about making Mo like a pagan God ! That would be against all that He taught us, would it not !

C

OK back to Esther!

we left the story where ALL THE WORLD will know :

Est 3:14 A copy of the writing, that the decree should be given out in every province, was published unto all the peoples, that they should be ready against that day.

All Christians will know that they have been declared: State enemy no 1
Now watch closely what happens to the people of God. What happens is what ALWAYS happens and will happen in the tribulation again. God knows that this is ALWAYS the result of tribulation so HE BRINGS IT, because He wants THIS result :

Est 4:1 Now when Mordecai knew all that was done, Mordecai rent his clothes, and put on sackcloth with ashes, and went out into the midst of the city, and cried with a loud and a bitter cry;
Est 4:2 and he came even before the king's gate: for none might enter within the king's gate clothed with sackcloth.
Est 4:3 And in every province, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, there was great mourning among the Jews, and fasting, and weeping, and wailing; and many lay in sackcloth and ashes.

HA REPENTANCE! THAT is what God is after.

Mordecai sent word to Esther about all of this, she seemed a bit unwilling in the beginning, she sent him some new clothing at first to get him out of repentance and sackcloth.he refused.She said:

Est 4:11 All the king's servants, and the people of the king's provinces, do know, that whosoever, whether man or woman, shall come unto the king into the inner court, who is not called, there is one law for him, that he be put to death (Death to self is indeed needed for us if we want to enter into His presence ), except those to whom the king shall hold out the golden sceptre, that he may live: but I have not been called to come in unto the king these thirty days.

But Mordecai did not give up: He wanted Esther (The Bride) to intercede for all the people of God , including herself so that they will survive the tribulation:

Est 4:13 Then Mordecai bade them return answer unto Esther, Think not with thyself that thou shalt escape in the king's house, more than all the Jews.
Est 4:14 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then will relief and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place, but thou and thy father's house will perish: and who knoweth whether thou art not come to the kingdom for such a time as this?
Yes, the Bride will intercede for all the people of God, including herself.

Notice how she prepares herself:
Est 4:15 Then Esther bade them return answer unto Mordecai,
Est 4:16 Go, gather together all the Jews (Christians) that are present in Shushan, and fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days, night or day: I also and my maidens will fast in like manner; and so will I go in unto the king, which is not according to the law: and if I perish, I perish.
Est 4:17 So Mordecai went his way, and did according to all that Esther had commanded him.

Notice what happens, when the Bride intercedes:

Est 6:1 On that night (the night of Esthers's fast) could not the king sleep; and he commanded to bring the book of records of the chronicles, and they were read before the king.
Est 6:2 And it was found written, that Mordecai had told of Bigthana and Teresh, two of the king's chamberlains, of those that kept the threshold, who had sought to lay hands on the king Ahasuerus.
Est 6:3 And the king said, What honor and dignity hath been bestowed on Mordecai for this? Then said the king's servants that ministered unto him, There is nothing done for him.

Now we see , that the intercession brought Mordecai (the 'little boy" ) to remembrance to the King .



more later..................

I just wanted to add, this:



Here , hidden in the plain text , is the truth about entering into the presence of the King: It is NOT according to the law: It is all GRACE.
The Bible is really amazing
in Christ
C

Wheat...Why do you suppose God used wheat to describe us?

This is an interesting read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheat

I think because one Seed that falls into the ground (Jesus Christ) produces a "corporate group" that forms one.It is very much like the body of Christ.

Also BREAD comes from wheat, and Jesus is the Bread . It is amazing how powerful God's types and shadows are in capturing many truths in one picture.

This is a good one that l never thought of.


And then there's hybrid wheat...did you read that one...

Interesting. Very much like creating a doctrine of man, when the "tares" or (hybrids) are created.

Notice that the wheat flower is complete It does not need something else, because if we see it as the Word, the Word is all it needs.
love C

God hates mixing...

Hybrids don't reproduce without the help of man.

Here is another type; by providing us with a CONCRETE EXAMPLE, types help us understand the spiritual nature of God and of His word!



Someone posted here before on this forum 2 pictures: one representing wheat in a field, one representing tares...

The wheat BEARS FRUITS, which is garnered, and BOW DOWN due to their heavy fruit/since they produce fruit; which BOW DOWN is a picture of humility when faced with the awesome knowledge and presence of a supreme and divine creator.

The TARES, SINCE THEY DON'T PRODUCE ANY FRUIT, stay upright, and are a symbol of PROUD MAN, refusing to humble himself in front of God, refusing to humble himself like a child, (Jesus says that unless we be like LITTLE CHILDREN, we won't inherit the kingdom of God), and as such the tares WILL BE BURNT! which is a type of the unquenchable fire of Hell...

They represent man in his self-righteous state, men who think they are "good enough" and thus don't need God...

Tare was probably ryegrass...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryegrass

It does reproduce after its kind...hybrid wheat does not.

These parallels are not only true of mary but mary was a type of all believers in Christ because just as she bore the fruit of Christ and He was in her womb, Christ by His word and Spirit are in us and grows up in us to the baring of the fruit of Christ. In us is he manna, the bread etc.... amen! the word says that jesus and his children ( of which mary is one) were for signs!

satans God is GOD, and moses is a type of Messiah who is satan as pharohs GOD. the truth always has authority over the enemy and even if satan and pharoh hate it, GOD Is their GOD. moses is also a type of the end time manchild ministry of Jesus in the end time first fruits.

Actually C, it makes a whole lot more sense if Pharaoh did view Moses as a pagan God.

The whole point of the battle between Moses and Pharaoh was to show God's strength. That is the bigger picture.

Now, in the smaller picture of Pharaoh's world, he didn't have any concept of Jehovah, the one God of Israel.




All he understood was a pantheon of Gods.
And in his world view, Moses appeared as one of these.
And because there were many gods, it was natural for them to compete with each other.

Amen, 100% correct
C




Good insight and again I agree 100 %

praise God
C

What does this all mean?

It means:

Satan knows only ONE God and that is the God we know. He knows God very well and you can see him speaking to God in Job. Satan is familiar with truth, because it is the opposite of who he is (He is the father of lies)



So , God is God. to Pharaoh and to Satan. There is no indication that this speaks of another Elohim, but God.
So, the truth always has authority over the lie, even though Satan and Pharaoh might not like it, it is still true. God stays God over them as well.

I like this quote:

SEVERAL LETTERS TO WRITE A WORD...

SEVERAL WORDS TO WRITE A LETTER...

Est 6:6 So Haman came in. And the king said unto him, What shall be done unto the man whom the king delighteth to honor? Now Haman said in his heart, To whom would the king delight to do honor more than to myself?

Just interesting that 6 is featuring here, where it also speaks about "to myself" . Man getting the honour.

mmmm

OK, now lets look what happens. Haman is a type for the Beast (He could be seen as the head of the Beast body, the "leader" if you will )

Est 6:9 and let the apparel and the horse be delivered to the hand of one of the king's most noble princes, that they may array the man therewith whom the king delighteth to honor, and cause him to ride on horseback through the street of the city, and proclaim before him, Thus shall it be done to the man whom the king delighteth to honor.
Est 6:10 Then the king said to Haman, Make haste, and take the apparel and the horse, as thou hast said, and do even so to Mordecai the Jew, that sitteth at the king's gate: let nothing fail of all that thou hast spoken.
Est 6:11 Then took Haman the apparel and the horse, and arrayed Mordecai, and caused him to ride through the street of the city, and proclaimed before him, Thus shall it be done unto the man whom the king delighteth to honor.

This is in line with Mordecai, being a type for the man child/first fruits of Revelation. We see this also echo again in the rider on the white horse. The Kings apparel could be seen as :Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
That would certainly be royal apparel.

I am backtracking a bit, to first show you the Harlot, speaking to the Beast about the Christians:

Est 5:13 Yet all this availeth me nothing, so long as I see Mordecai the Jew sitting at the king's gate.
Est 5:14 Then said Zeresh his wife and all his friends unto him, Let a gallows be made fifty cubits high, and in the morning speak thou unto the king that Mordecai may be hanged thereon: then go thou in merrily with the king unto the banquet. And the thing pleased Haman; and he caused the gallows to be made.
Gallows is also the word for tree, like in "cross" , so notice here also the parallel with the Harlot of the days of Jesus:

Mat 27:20 Now the chief priests and the elders (The Harlot of the time: remember the Harlot is a religious system that turns on true followers: Harlot is opposite of Virgin) persuaded the multitudes that they should ask for Barabbas, and destroy Jesus

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OK, quickly: Here is another Beast and Harlot type and shadow:

1Ki 16:30 And Ahab the son of Omri did that which was evil in the sight of Jehovah above all that were before him.
1Ki 16:31 And it came to pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jeroboam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Sidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him.

We all know that King Ahab wanted the vineyard (vineyard is a sybol for God's people ) and Jezebel had Naboth killed, so as to take the vineyard.

How many apostate tribes did Ahab rule over?

10

How many kings are mentioned in the end times

10

Who had the Harlot killed?

1Ki 18:4 for it was so, when Jezebel cut off the prophets of Jehovah, that Obadiah took a hundred prophets, and hid them by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water.)

Who are the hundred prophets that Obadiah hid?

A remnant.

Maybe we can come back later and study these two clear types and shadows later again.

C

Type, Shadow or Symbol: Type, Shadow or Symbol Of: Scofield Note & Verse Reference: Antitype, Shadow or Symbol Reference:
Woman The Church Gen 2:23 Eph 5:25-32; 2 Cor 11:2-3
Cp. Jn 3:28-29; Rev 19:7-8
Coats of Skin Christ Gen 3:21 1 Cor 1:30
See Rev 19:8 (note)
Cain Earthly Man Gen 4:1 2 Pet 2
Abel Spiritual Man Gen 4:2 Heb 9:22; 11:4
Lamb Christ Gen 4:4 Jn 1:29;
Adam Christ (contrasting) Gen 5:1 Lk 3:38
See also Rom 5:14;
1 Cor 15:21-22
Enoch Raptured Church Gen 5:22 Heb 11:5
cp 1 Th 4:13-18
Ark Christ (as refuge) Gen 6:14 Heb 11:7
Flood Baptism Gen 7:10 1 Pet 3:19-21
Melchizedek Christ Gen 14:18 Ps 110:4; Heb 5:5-6; 6:20
Heb 7:23-24
Hagar The Law Gen 16:3 Gal 4:24-25
Sarah Grace Gen 21:3 Cp Gen 15:19; Gal 4:22:31
Isaac Church Gen 21:3 Gal 4:28
Isaac Church (as Son) Gen 21:3 Gen 22:1-10
Isaac Christ (as Groom) Gen 21:3 Gen 24: Mt 16:18 (note)
Isaac New Man Gen 21:3 Gal 4:29
Isaac Christ Gen 22:9 Phil 2:5-8
Abraham Father (Offering a Son) Gen 22:9 Rom 8:32; Jn 3:16
Ram Christ Gen 22:9 Heb 10:5-10
Abraham King Gen 24:1(note) Mt 22:2
Unnamed Servant Holy Spirit Gen 24:1(note) Jn 16:13-14
Rebekah Church Gen 24:1 (note) Gen 24:16; 2 Cor 11:2;
Gal 5:25-32
Isaac Bridegroom Gen 24:1 (note) 1 Pet 1:8;
Gen 24:63; 1 Th 4:14-17
Abraham Justification by faith Gen 25:8 Rom 4; Gal 3; Jas 2:21
Esau Man of the Earth Gen 25:25 Heb 12:16-17
Drink Offering Christ Gen 35:14 Cp. Ps 22:14; Isa 53:12
Joseph Christ
(Analogy) 37:2 (esp. note) Mt 3:17; Jn 15:24-25;
Mt 26:3-4; Mt 21:37-39;
Mt 27:37-37; Acts 15:14
Asenath Church
(Analogy) Gen 41:45 (esp. note) Jn 1:10-12; Acts 15:14;
Eph 5:31-32
Benjamin Christ
(Shadow) Gen 43:34 (note) Cp. Gen 35:18 note;
see notes @ Gen 1:26;
1 Sam 8:7; Zech 12:8
Moses Christ Ex 2:2 (great note!) Isa 61:1-2; Lk 4:18-19;
2 Cor 1:10; 1 Th 1:10
Serpent Satan
(Symbol) Ex 7:12 Heb 2:14; Rev 12:9
Passover Christ Ex 12:11 (great note!) Jn 1:29; 1 Cor 5:6-7;
1 Pet 1:18-19
Manna Christ Ex 16:35 (great note!) Jn 6:49-51
Rock Life thru the Spirit Ex 17:6 1 Cor 10:4; Eph 2:1-6
Gold Deity
(Analogy) Ex 25:1 (esp. note) Ex 26:19 note; see Heb 9:1-24 &notes; Ex 30:11-16 notes;
Ex 38:27; Num 21:6-9
Silver Redemption
(Analogy) Ex 25:1 (esp. note) Ex 26:19 note; see Heb 9:1-24 &notes; Ex 30:11-16 notes;
Ex 38:27; Num 21:6-9
Bronze Judgment
(Analogy) Ex 25:1 (esp. note) Ex 26:19 note; see Heb 9:1-24 &notes; Ex 30:11-16 notes;
Ex 38:27; Num 21:6-9
Blue Heavenly
(Analogy) Ex 25:1 (esp. note) Ex 26:19 note; see Heb 9:1-24 &notes; Ex 30:11-16 notes;
Ex 38:27; Num 21:6-9
Purple Royalty
(Analogy) Ex 25:1 (esp. note) Ex 26:19 note; see Heb 9:1-24 &notes; Ex 30:11-16 notes;
Ex 38:27; Num 21:6-9
Scarlet Sacrifice
(Analogy) Ex 25:1 (esp. note) Ex 26:19 note; see Heb 9:1-24 &notes; Ex 30:11-16 notes;
Ex 38:27; Num 21:6-9
Tabernacle Church Ex 25:9 (esp. note) Eph 2:19-22
Tabernacle Believer Ex 25:9 (esp. note) 2 Cor 6:16
Tabernacle The Heavenlies Ex 25:9 (esp. note) Heb 9:23-24
Tabernacle
(Wood & Gold) Christ -humanity & deity Ex 25:9 (esp. note) Ex 26:15 note
Tabernacle
(Ark Contents) Christ Ex 25:9 (esp. note) Ex 25:16; Ex 16:33;
Num 17:10; Heb 9:4
Tabernacle
(Mercy Seat) God's Throne Ex 25:9 (esp. note) Ezek 1:5 note
Brazen Altar Cross
(Place of Sacrifice) Lev 1-5 Eph 2:14-16; Col 1:19-22
Showbread Christ Ex 25:30 1 Pet 2:9; Rev 1:6;
Jn 12:24-33
Lampstand Christ Ex 25:31 Jn 1:4-9; 8:12; 9:5
Rev 1:4
Fine Linen Righteousness Ex 26:1 (note) Rev 19:8
Linen - Blue Jesus' Heavenly Origin Ex 26:1 (note) See blue above
Linen - Purple His Royalty Ex 26:1 (note) See purple above
Linen - Scarlet His Sacrifice Ex 26:1 (note) See scarlet above
Acacia Wood Christ's Humanity Ex 26:15 (great note!) Isa 53:2
Silver Redemption Ex 26:15 Ex 30:16; 1 Pet 1:18-19
Veil Christ's Body
(torn for us) Ex 26:31 (great note!) Heb 10:20
Bronze Altar Cross Ex 27:1 Heb 9:14
Wood Christ's Humanity Ex 27:1 Cp. Heb 10:5-7
Bronze Judgment Ex 27:2 Cp. Num 21:9 (note);
Jn 3:14 w/ Jn 12:31-33
Linen Personal Righteousness
(Symbol) Ex 27:9 Lk 10: 25-28
Oil Holy Spirit Ex 27:20 Zech 4:2-6 (note);
Cp. Jn 3:3-4 w/ Heb 1:9;
Eph 2:8; Cp. 1 Cor 2:14-15;
2 Cor 3:18;13:14; Phil 2:1
Aaron Christ Ex 28:1 Heb 7, 9
Aaron's Sons Believers Ex 28:1 Rev 1:6; Cp. 1 Pet 2:9
& note
Washing Regeneration
(Symbol) Ex 29:4 Ti 3:5; Jn 3:5-6
Laver Cleansing Ex 29:4 1 Jn 1:9
Pomegranates Fruitfulness Ex 28:31-35 Jn 15:16
Altar of Incense Christ our Intercessor Ex 30:1 Jn 17:1-26; Heb 7:25;
Heb 13:15; Rev 8:3-4
Laver Cleansing Ex 30:18 Eph 5:25-27;
Cp. Jn 13:2-10
Anointing Oil Holy Spirit
(Imparted for Service) Ex 30:31 Acts 1:8
Burnt Offering Christ Lev 1:3 Heb 9:11-14; 10:5-7;
Cp. Ps 40:6-8; Phil 2:8
Laying on Hands Faith Lev 1:4 Rom 4:5; 6:3-11
Fire God's Holiness Lev 1:8 Heb 12:29
Sweet Aroma Offering Christ Lev 1:9 Lev 1:9 note
Grain Offering Christ Lev 2:1 Lev 2:1 note
Peace Offering Christ's Work Lev 3:1 Col 1:20; Eph 2:17;
Eph 2:14
Sin Offering Christ
(Made Sin for Us) Lev 4:3 2 Cor 5:21
Trespass Offering Injury Caused by Sin Lev 5:6 Ps 51:4
High Priest Christ Lev 8:12 Heb 1:9
Leprosy Sin
(Symbol) Lev 13:2 1 Cor 11:31
Leprosy
(Healing of) Gospel
(Shadow) Lev 14:3 Lev 14:3 note
Earthen Vessel Christ's Humanity Lev 14:5 Rom 8:2; 1 pet 3:18
The Two Goats Christ's Work Lev 16:5 Lev 16:5 note
Passover Christ Lev 23:5 1 Cor 5:7
Unleavend Bread Communion W/ Christ Lev 23:6 1 Cor 5:6-8; 2 Cor 7:1;
Gal 5:7-9
First Fruits Resurrection Lev 23:10 1 Cor 15:23; 1 Th 4:13-18
Feast of Weeks Spirit's Descent Lev 23:16 1 Cor 10:16-17; 12:12-30
Wave Loaves Church Lev 23:17 Acts 2:1-4;
1 Cor 12:12-13, 20
Feast of Trumpets Israel's Regathering Lev 23:24 Isa 18:3; 27:13;
Joel 2:1--3:21
Kinsman Redeemer Christ Lev 25:49 Ruth 2:1; 3:10--18;
4:1-10
The Nazarite Christ Num 6:2 Ps 104:15; Phil 3:1;
4:4,10; 1 Cor 11:14;
Jn 1:18; 6:38; Mt 122:46-50
Sabbath & Canaan Rest in Christ Num 15:1 Heb 3--4
Blue Thread Separation
(Symbol) Num 15:38 Num 15:38 note
Aaron's Rod Resurrected Christ
(Symbol) Num 17:8 Num 17:8 note
Red Heifer Christ's Sacrifice Num 19:2 Heb 9:12-14
Water Spirit & Word Num 19:2 Jn 7:37-39; Eph 5:26
Bronze Serprent Christ Num 21:9 Jn 3:14-15; 2 Cor 5:21
Reubenites and Gadites Carnal Christians
(Symbols) Num 32:1 2 Tim 4:10; Cp. Gen 11:31
Cities of Refuge Shelter in Christ Num 35:6 Rom 8:1, 33; Heb 6:17-20;
Cp. Ps 46:1, 142:5
Horn Strength, Pride, Power
(Symbol) Deut 33:17 Deut 33:17; Ps 75:4-5;
Dan 8:20-21
Joshua Christ Josh 1:1 Heb 2:10; Jn 1:17; Rom 8:3-4; 10:4-5; Gal 3:23-25; Rom 8:37; 2 Cor 1:10; 2:14;
1 Jn 2:1-2; Eph 1:11, 14; 4:7-11
Rahab Salvation by Faith Josh 2:1 Heb 11:31
Scarlet Thread Safety thru Sacrifice
(Symbol) Josh 2:21 Heb 9:19-22
Passing Over Jordan Death with Christ
(Symbol) Josh 3:1 Rom 6:3-4, 6-11; Eph 2:5-6;
Col 3:1-3
Ruth Redemption by Christ Ruth 4:5 Heb 2:14-15; Rom 3:24 note
Mountain Kingdom
(Symbol) Isa 2:2 Dan 2:35, 44-45;
Rev 17:9-11; 13:1 note
Wine Press Divine Judgment
(Symbol) Lam 1:15 Isa 63:3; Rev 14:19-20, 19:15
The Vine Unregenerate Man
(esp. sinful Israel)
(Symbol ) Ezek 15:2 Isa 5; 15; Jn 15
Sea Masses of Humanity
(Symbol ) Dan 7:2 Isa 60:5; Mt 13:47;
Lk 21:25; Rev 13:1
Horns Kingdoms
(Symbol) Dan 7:8 Rev 17:12
Beasts Kingdoms
(Symbol) Dan 7:26 Dan 7:15, 23; Rev 13:1
Marriage God's Relationship
to Man Hos 2:2 2 Cor 11:1-2; Jn 3:29;
Rev 19:7; Eph 5:25-32
Chewing Locusts Day of the Lord
(Symbol) Joel 1:4 Joel 1:13-14; 2:1-11
Plumb Line Judgment
(Symbol) Amos 7:8 Cp. Isa 28:17; 34:11;
Lam 2:8
Altar Mercy thru Judgment
(Symbol) Amos 9:1 Jn 12:31-33
Jonah Christ in the Tomb Jonah (heading) Mt 12:39-40
Sheol The Grave Hab 2:5 2 Sam 22:6; Ps 18:5;
116:3; Isa 14:9-17;
Ezek 32:21; Jon 2:2
Signet Royal Authority
(Symbol) Hag 2:23 Hag 2:23 note
Measuring Line Preparation
(Symbol) Zech 2:1 Ezek 40:3,5;
Cp. Mt 24:29-20
Lampstand God's Witness
(Symbol) Zech 4:2 Rev 1:12, 13, 20; 2:1, 5
Two Olive Trees Two Phases of
God's Government
(Symbol) Zech 4:2 Acts 2:4 note
Scroll Word of God
(Symbol) Zech 5:1 Ezra 6:2; Jer 36:2, 4, 6;
Ezek 3:1-3
Four Chariots Four Heavenly Spirits
(Symbol) Zech 6:1 Lk 1:19; Heb 1:14
Crowning of Joshua Crowning of Jesus
(Symbol) Zech 6:11 Mt 16:27; 24:30; 25:31;
Heb 7:1-3
Leaven Evil or False Doctrine Mt 13:33 Ex 12:15, 19; 13:7;
Lev 2:11; Dt 16:4;
Mt 16:6; Mk 8:15; Lk 12:1;
1 Cor 5:6-9; Gal 5:9
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oo i got something here for ya C the Lord gave it to me the morning after reading ester 6 in a bible study. If we know what mordecai is a type of compair these-

Est 6:8 Let the royal apparel be brought which the king [useth] to wear, and the horse that the king rideth upon, and the crown royal which is set upon his head:And let this apparel and horse be delivered to the hand of one of the king's most noble princes, that they may array the man [withal] whom the king delighteth to honour, and bring him on horseback through the street of the city, and proclaim before him, Thus shall it be done to the man whom the king delighteth to honour.

Jhn 19:1 ¶ Then Pilate therefore took Jesus, and scourged [him]. And the soldiers platted a , and put [it] on his head, and they put on him a purple robe,And said, Hail, King of the Jews! and they smote him with their hands.Pilate therefore went forth again, and saith unto them, Behold, I bring him forth to you, that ye may know that I find no fault in him.Then came Jesus forth, wearing the crown of thorns, and the purple robe. And [Pilate] saith unto them, Behold the man[b]!

if we know the end time understanding of this, now we can see how it also showed this in Jesus day. to show more clearly this parabel to us of those end time events and how the same was done to Jesus, but in taking our punishment so that we as mordecai will have the victory and honor !

i was so excited the very next morning when i got this!

Amen, that is right.

You know there is something that most people miss and that is what you are pointing to now. It is the fact that Jesus as ALSO a sign (a Type and Shadow ) Himself.

We know the word "SIGN" is "omen" which just means the sign points to some future event.

When we look at this scripture we see two things about Jesus.
1)
He is a sign
2)
This sign will be spoken against


Luk 2:34 and Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the falling and the rising of many in Israel; and for a sign which is spoken against;

We can clearly see here that it does not say that JESUS will be spoken against, but that the SIGN will be spoken agaisnt.
This is a difficult one for most Christians, because this has never really been taught in mainstream Christianity. This has always just been known in a remnant of Christians, but in these times, I pray that the Lord will open the eyes of His children so that they can see the wonder of His works in and for those whom He loves.

The SIGN , is about Revelation 12, the Man Child being born through the church.

That is why Jesus is the sign, because we see that it will happen exactly like His birth.
The WORD will enter the VIRGIN (Church that only believe the Word ) and this Word will produce Christ, the same way it produced Christ in Mary in the Physical, it will bring forth Christ in the corporate Body of Christ.

I always wondered why we are called the "Body of Christ" if it is not really the body of Christ. A body certainly belongs to the person after whom a body is named, in this case CHRIST.

2) This sign, we are told will be spoken against. This we well know is true.

This is long, but important. In this section we can see that this sign will be understood "in the last days" (Now) This whole passage is about the false leadership in the church and God sending a new leadership in the end times. Here the leadership is called a "righteous Branch"

We all know who the branch is, because Jesus tells us:Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches:

Jer 23:1 Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, against the shepherds that feed my people: Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them; behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and multiply.
Jer 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them, who shall feed them; and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall any be lacking, saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and he (Man child, Firstfruits) shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and righteousness in the land.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness. (Please take note that this group will be called "Jehovah OUR righteousness" because it is "our" like in GROUP. This ALSO shows that this is NOT talking about Jesus, because He is not called "our")Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that they shall no more say, As Jehovah liveth, who brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 but, As Jehovah liveth, who brought up and who led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all the countries whither I had driven them. And they shall dwell in their own land.
Jer 23:9 Concerning the prophets. My heart within me is broken, all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of Jehovah, and because of his holy words.
Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers;(bringers of false doctrines) for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pastures of the wilderness are dried up. And their course is evil, and their might is not right;
Jer 23:11 for both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery places in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein; for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied by Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.

Jer 23:14 In the prophets of Jerusalem also I have seen a horrible thing: they commit adultery(false teaching), and walk in lies; and they strengthen the hands of evil-doers, so that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them become unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith Jehovah of hosts concerning the prophets: Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall; for from the prophets of Jerusalem is ungodliness gone forth into all the land.
Jer 23:16 Thus saith Jehovah of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they teach you vanity; they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of Jehovah.
Jer 23:17 They say continually unto them that despise me, Jehovah hath said, Ye shall have peace; and unto every one that walketh in the stubbornness of his own heart they say, No evil shall come upon you. (This is so true, this is the message today of the church, once saved always saved, God is love )
Jer 23:18 For who hath stood in the council of Jehovah, that he should perceive and hear his word? who hath marked my word, and heard it?
Jer 23:19 Behold, the tempest of Jehovah, even his wrath, is gone forth, yea, a whirling tempest: it shall burst upon the head of the wicked. (The wrath is coming at the end of the tribulation)

Jer 23:20 The anger of Jehovah shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall understand it perfectly. (Here is the key, that God is speaking to us, who are living in the last days. ) Jer 23:21 I sent not these prophets, yet they ran: I spake not unto them, yet they prophesied. Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my council, then had they caused my people to hear my words, and had turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings


Yes this is true and very much to the point.

In these days, God is going to bring HIS leadership back to a rebellious church , His righteous Branch, (Jehovah OUR righteousness) which is Christ manifesting in His Body. He will walk amongst us again. God will do this and wipe away all the false doctrine that has led His people into falsehood .

These are "Jehovah our righteousness":

Rev 14:4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, to be the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.


C

Simple, it may be that you are trying to force round puzzle pieces into square holes. God never went before Satan, but just the opposite. I think that what is being said to Moses in your quote is that he will appear as a God to Pharaoh because he will seem to have his very own prophet in Aaron. The parallels in this particular part of Exodus are the plagues. For instance, the 9th plague of darkness was a pretty direct hit to Ra, the Egyptian sun god. Every plague had relavence to some Egyptian deity. However, that last one was the granddaddy of them all. Maybe it was payback for what the previous Ramses had done to Moses' generation when he was saved by being set afloat on the water.

sojourner

Hi sojourner.

Yes, I was thinking the same, well put!

Actually I was going to talk about something completely different!

I just found these yesterday and they went right with this!!!


Gen 41:42 And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him [ruler] over all the land of Egypt.


Dan 5:29 Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and [put] a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom.

Dan 6:4 Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he [was] faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.

these go right along. and i learned this the same time with these

another show of how Jesus took our curse and the curse of all creation upon himself is that that put a crown of thorns on His head- and thorns came forth from the curse!

so in all these we see that Jesus was crowned with the curse so that we could be crowned with glory and be freed

Amen, and those also refer to the man child: can you see the pattern , all these (including Mordecai) went through something similar in clothing, horses and crowns. The same as the white horse rider in Rev.
All these are in fact types of the man child ministry.
Good spot
C

I really enjoyed these thoughts you have concerning the mixture of wool and cotton. There are a variety of what I consider "oddities", where I've been left to wonder (what was God's reasoning behind that one?). Thanks, Kim

Types and shadows are one of my most favorite bible topics. Nice to meet you all btw!

I noticed someone brought up Nebuchadnezzer as a shadow and I'd like to make some comments on that. One morning, quite out of the blue, a thought came to my mind. "Compare the image found in Daniel to the image in Revelation". It's like a light bulb went off in my mind. (And I find that this is the most trustworthy way I've received anything from the Lord, when it's out of the blue like this)...

This was like a key that led me to recognize many parallels in Daniel.
The image in Daniel 3 is made of gold. We are not told exactly what the image is, but that it is made of gold. We are given the dimensions, 60 by 6 cubits. Those who gathered together for the dedication were all those in all/any forms of governance.

The image in Revelation is similar (666), although the one in Daniel is lacking a dimension(60/6).
I don't believe it was by accident that the description of the image in Daniel was that it was gold... because this is the primary focus of the image, materialism/greed. Notice the parallel in Revelation...
Rev 13:16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name

...a similar theme, materialism.

In Daniel's image we see that if one does not worship, death is decreed. In Revelation a person cannot buy or sell without the mark. This image has the capacity to both move and speak. Also one is killed for not worshiping this image (as in Daniel as well). Both are impostering God as a source of life. Many people look to their money and possessions as a source of life, but Jesus made it clear that one's life does not consist of their possessions. You cannot serve God and mammon.

Also of note is the fact that the furnace is heated seven times hotter than normal. This speaks of fiery tribulation for those who believe and also makes me wonder about our missing week of prophecy...(although in Revelation it is spelled out clearly as 3 1/2 yrs).

The dimension which was lacking, IMHO, is the spiritual application behind it. This is why the image in Revelation also moves and speaks. It is like an un-holy spirit behind the high places/governments/(beasts) of man. It is the false life being promised to those who embrace it and worship it. It's the American Idol of the human heart.

More thoughts on Daniel,

In chapter 4 we read about Nebuchadnezzer's pride and lack of acknowledging God who had given him these things. What is interesting is that his heart was given over to the heart of a beast. Not only was his heart as a beast, but this lasted for seven periods of time. If we look to Nebuchadnezzer as a prototype of the antichrist, then we can be assured that the antichrist will have the heart of a beast. (also, is the seven periods of time referring to the great tribulation?)...it's fascinating.

In ch 5 we read of King Belshazzar (antichrist) and Daniel (bride of Christ/church). Once again praise/worship is being given to materialism (gold and silver, bronze and iron, wood and stone). God judges these things (as He will in great tribulation) and the kingdom was given to another/will be completely ruled by Jesus. And just as Daniel was promoted to third ruler status, so shall the church (who remain loyally submitted to both Father and Son).

God bless!
Kim

(Dan. 3:1) Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore (60) cubits, and the breadth thereof six (6) cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura (600), in the province of Babylon. The image of the beast was 60 cubits in stature and 6 cubits in scope. As we saw, adding up the Greek or Hebrew letters in a word, which are also numbers, gives us an important prophetic equivalent. The image was on the plain of Dura, which in Hebrew means "circle" and "dwelling", symbolizing the "world" which has a gematria of 600. Notice that all the kingdoms of the world make up the full measure of the beast; 600 + 60 + 6 = 666. In Revelation 13:18 the words "Six hundred and sixty and six" were originally written with three Greek letters. In Greek, the word "world" equals 600, and the word "earth" equals 60, and 6 is the number of fallen man. Indeed, man and the beasts were made on the sixth day, for as Solomon said, "[M]an hath no preeminence above the beasts" (Eccl. 3:19). From this we see that 666 identifies men who are "in the world" and "earthly" and are of the fallen creation. The gematria for "in the world" in John 1:10 equals 666. As we see, "[T]he whole world lieth in the evil one" (Jn. 1:10).

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