Dear people,

In the name of the Lord I will take the freedom of expounding what Scripture tells about the beast in the book of Revelation, ch 12. I see that there are an endless number of meanings brought forth as to what this beast might be, but they are few and far between who see the need of letting Scripture itself be the touchstone of truth. So, let's therefore look together at what Scripture really says, with the prayer that the good Lord will be our vanguard. If God would not lead our way we would soon get lost.

First of all, the beast in Rev 23 is also described in Dan 7:7-8, but in that description it is not revealed that it also had 7 heads. Why not? Well, the reason is that the fourth beast, which was dreadful, terrible, and exceeding powerful, with huge iron teeth, was DIFFERENT from all the beasts that were before it. That it was different doesnt mean that it was so right from the beginning. Before I enlarge on this important fact I will first mention that the first beast was like a lion (Dan 7:4), the second like a bear (Dan 7:5), the third like a leopard (Dan 7:6), and they symbolize the same empires or kingdoms as do of Nebukadnezzar's seen image in Dan 2:31(-43) the head of gold, the breast and arms of silver, the belly and thighs of brass, and legs of iron with feet of partly iron, partly clay. In addition, the one-horned goat in Dan 8:5 symbolizes the same empire as do the belly and thighs of brass in Dan 2:32 and 2:39, and the leopard in Dan 7:6, whereas the two-horned ram in Dan 8:6 symbolizes the same empire as do the breast and arms of the image in Dan 2:31, and the the bear that was raised up on one side in Dan 7:5.

We know from comparison of scriptures with known history that the first three beasts and parts of the image symbolize the Babylonian empire, the Medo-Persian empire, and the Hellenistic empire which came into being through Alexander the Great. Some people erroneously believe that the first three empires are the Babylonian, the Median, and the Persian, but that belief is not in accordance with Scripture, though I am not going to enlarge on that point now. The most interesting and relevant empire for us to take a look at here, is the fourth one, which is the Roman empire. In biblical prophecy it is called 'legs of iron with feet of partly iron, partly clay' and 'a leopard with a bear's feet and a lion's mouth'. It was therefore a mixture of fierce animals, not really given a name in Dan 7:7, but the strange thing about this leopard was that it had 10 horn, not four wings as the leopard that was the third beast (Dan 7:6).

Dear people, let's now look into this mystery in the light of Scripture, in order that we may escape the devastating power of deceit that this beast in its extention really is.

Scripture tells us that the fourth beast, the ten-horned leopard, was DIFFERENT from the other former beasts, and I added that it wasnt so in the beginning. Let us consider this fact, and still in the light of Scripture itself.

In Dan 8:5-8 we read that the goat, namely the Hellenistic empire first had one king only, that is, Alexander the Great, but was later divided in four parts after the death of the king. In Dan 8:9 we read that instead of one empire there came up four horns towards the four winds (directions) of heaven. Thus the Hellenistic empire was divided into four parts. But the description doesn stop at this point of history. Dan 8:9 tells us that FROM ONE OF THESE DIRECTIONS (not out of one of the four horns, as many Bible versions falsely read) there came a LITTLE horn. Before I go on expounding, I want to draw your attention to the biblical fact that while the four divisions belonged to the Hellenistic empire, the third empire, the LITTLE HORN belonged to the fourth empire, as you can be convinced of by reading Dan 7:8. Therefore, there is no doubt that described in Dan 8:9 was the Roman empire, which grew very large southward, eastward and toward the glorious land. History shows us that the Romans came into the Hellenistic territories by way of Macedonia, so history proves the truth of prophecy.

To understand these things we now ought to consider the LITTLE HORN and the biblical fact that the fourth empire became different from the former empires. So what should we know about the little horn at this stage in the story? Well, that the little horn came up AMONG THE THEN HORNS OF THE BEAST according to Dan 7:8, but still would rise up AFTER THE TEN HORNS OF THE BEAST according to Dan 7:24. The little horn is thus contemporary with the ten horns. To understand this we therefore must look more closely at what Dan 7:8 tells us. We learn that "three of the first horns" (not of the ten horns, as some Bible versions read) were uprooted. Yes, this prophecy doesnt imply that three of the ten horns were uprooted, but instead three former horns (rulers), for in Rev 17:16 we read that the ten horns are active even in the end.

Dear people, dont you remember how Constantin the Great became the only ruler of the Roman empire? He had to defeat Maxentius, Maximinus Daja and his former companion Licinius in battle before he became the absolute monarch of the still undivided Roman empire. These persons were the three horns that prophecy tells us about. When Constantin was the potentate of the empire he took jurisdiction over the the Christian church, making a state church. This is the start of the little horn. Prophecy tells us that still other nine horns or kings would come, among which the little horn would grow. Constantin the Great thus was the first of these ten horns that were still to rule an undivided Roman empire, but when the Roman empire fell apart the Roman bishop emerged as both the worldy and spiritual ruler of Rome. In this way does the beast of Rev 13 rise out of the sea, and in this way the fourth beast, the Roman empire, starts to become DIFFERENT FROM THE FORMER EMPIRES. So, because the Roman bishop (the little horn) took over the Roman empire is described as different in Dan 7:7. The biblical description of the little horn and the fourth beast now continues with Rev 13. Let's therefore read Rev 13.

The beast that John saw rising out of the sea is Antichrist and the falling-away of the Christian church. The sea from which this beast rises up symbolizes wicked people (Isa 57:20), from which false doctrines and deception came. But since this beast had 10 horns and seven heads we ought to know that its beginning was by the medium of worldly rulers, who the horns symbolize. The first head is the Roman church, and all the ten horns are on this head, for in the shadow of them did this false church come about. This church is called Ohola in Esek 23:4. Yes, this deception came about in heaven (Rev 13:3), that is, it forced its way into the apostolic church and made it a harlot (Rev 13:7). The seven heads of this beast are seven false main churches and doctrines, as well as their founders, who originated this abomination and spread it worldwide. In this way came the abomination that makes desolate, and in this way came the Devil and his angels into heaven on earth according to Rev 12:7, from where he shall be thrown out. Read about this in Matthew 8:11-12:

"And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

What a terrible fate!

When we read Rev 13:3 and see that one of the beast's head was wounded we won't understand this verse without taking into account what the apostle Paul explains in Rom 6:11:

"In the same way, count yourselves DEAD TO SIN but alive to God in Christ Jesus."

In Isa 9:15 we read that "the elders and prominent men are the head, the prophets who teach lies are the tail," so a person who teaches false doctrine and by it originate a church, is called a head in Scripture. So, that one of the beast's 7 heads was wounded means that Martin Luther, who started his fight against the fallacies of the Roman church because his conscience was wounded by the word of God, fell back into his former life and became even worse but still establishing a new doctrine. He wasn't a head of the beast but became a head because he didnt keep himself to Scripture and the guidance of God's spirit.

When Martin Luther entered the scene opposing the pope, people wondered and followed him, and they said: "Who can fight against the beast?" Since the doctrine of Luther deceived them they were convinced that nobody could rightfully oppose Luther and his doctrine. In this way they worshipped falsehood and were deceived. So instead of being revealed by Luther falsehood, that had started with the pope, continued in a new head, namely through the Lutheran church and doctrine. Luther's error was that he accepted the worldy powers to rule the church, and he taught falsely that baptism by water saves people, which is a lie.

Rev 13:5-6 tells us that this beast blasphemed against God and his people, and would go on doing so for 42 months, that is, for 1260 years.

The relationship between the papal church and the protestant church is seen in Rev 17:8, where it is said that deceived people will marvel when they behold THE BEAST THAT WAS, AND IS NOT, AND YET IS. Dear people, listen and pay heed to the biblical fact that when Luther came and revealed the error of the Roman church people said: Wow, now we see that the pope is false, and though he deceived us BEFORE and thus WAS the beast he cannot any longer fool us, so thus he is no longe any deception or beast to us. What these people didn't know was that a new deception or beast was come by the medium of Martin Luther. In this way the beast was, and is not, yet it is, for Luther's doctrine is falsehood.

That falsehood and deception, that is the beast, has fought and won over the saints we can easily see from the divisions of the Christian church. It has become Babylon.

In Rev 13:11 John describes another beast, which comes out of the earth. This beast is deception in the spirit of the head, Martin Luther, as can be seen from Rev 17:11. Since this falsehood that comes about is of one of the seven heads, itself being the eighth one, it will be a reformed type of the Lutheran doctrine, but still false. That it comes up out of the earth means that it is under a worldy regime. Its proponent will be the person who Scripture calls "the false prophet", but he will have a companion, so they can imitate the two witnesses of God. The false prophet is mentioned in Rev 19:20; 20:10 and 16:13-14 (quoted):

"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

Well, dear people, I have now showed you what is in Scripture, so now you can either contemplate on these things and pray God to show you if I have told you the truth or not, or reject what I tell you. Anyway, I am free from your blood if you don't pay heed to this everlasting truth. I have done what the Lord sent me to do.

Thanks for listening and reading!

PehJeshua

Too bad. I saw more words of man than scripture in the post itself, with a lot of interpretation thrown in.

Once again, a lot of opinion forced upon these Scriptures. Not properly a "Bible study" but a Doctrinal Study.......

Dear Yaqub,

What you see is one thing, what you are capable of corroborating with Scripture is quite another thing. If your sight is good and your basis sound, then let there be more substance to what you say. Therefore, show everybody here what is wrong in what I have written, or show all of us what the biblically right meaning is of the beast. If your sight is even better than just good, then you are advised both to show at what points I am in error, and, after having done so, to give us the right explanation on the beast. If my explanation is of man, then refute it with Scripture, if you can. It is too easy to fling empty words out of one's mouth, so, therefore, come forth with more substantial reasoning.

With expectation
PehJeshua

Dear Father Onesimus,

You too are welcome to show at what points I have forced my opinion upon Scripture. Of course, what I have written is fully in accordance with what God's apostles wrote, and therefore also their doctrine. I could have gone into greater details with my explanation, but reasoned that there will be time for it later.

With greetings from between the cherubim,
PehJeshua

Wow !. . . Your phrase, " greeting from between the 'Cherubim' ", is interesting !

How did you decide to use that salutation ?

Have you studied the Cherubim ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherubim

Involving Ezekiel's four creatures, the Cherubim's are the man & ox.

The Seraphim's are the lion & eagle.

So, I guess you are sending greetings, standing between the Man & OX ?

I am sure, you have a reason, for the salutation, could you tell me please ? Thank you !


Blessings !

I would say this" Daniel's drill down to identify the little horn and his location a the time of the end follows the Greek kings of the north and south of Jerusalem. It is the kingdom of the north that the little horn will appear in and this was Syrio-Babylonia. This is a Middle Eastern location .... not European and not Roman. In fact, Rome is not even in the scope of visionary prophecy at all. The scope ended with the completion of the 69 weeks of years (483 years) decreed for national Israel in about 33 A.D.. There are no events in the scope between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th (7 years) which is still pending and yet future. Rome is presented in the N.T. as a record of history, but this is not visionary prophecy. This truth nullifys any attempt to place Rome or any subesquent rulers of the Middle East over the last 2,000+ years in the scope. Neither are the Roman invasions of 70 A.D. in the scope. This can be verified by comparing the 14th chapter of Zecharia's visions of the time of the end with the historical accounts of 70 A.D. They ae not the same.

Also, the first beast of Revelation is described in 9:11, 11:7, 13:1-9, 17:8-11. This entity is not human, but a fallen angelic who rules over human king positions and related human kingdoms for satan. Abaddon-Apolloyn is the angelic king of the abyss angelics and he will be released at the time of the end to incarnate Daniel's little horn, human king of the north .... in the Middle East. Five of his past kingdoms have fallen (the beast was). Then the beast was not and still is not .... he is in the abyss and cannot interact with humanity. His last two kingdoms will exist during the 70th week at the time of the end. The first (6th) will be small and he will expand it into the next (7th) divided kingdom and rule it with the ten other kings. He will come out of the abyss (released by satan) and will rule the 6th (the king position that is) at the beginning of the 70th week and will also rule the next 7th (the king position yet to come) larger divided kingdom which will incorporate most of the Middle East. His symbolic ID's are the leopard body, bear feet, and lion mouth as stated in Revelation 13. These identify him with ancient Middle Eastern kingdoms and have nothing to do with Rome. He has no other symbols attached.

The human little horn will fill both the 6th and 7th king positions. Abaddon-Apollyon will incarnate him and become the 8th king himself. Abaddon-Apollyon has been and will be connected (by ruling over them for satan) with all 7 human king positions and related Kingdoms, he will be come the 8th king himself (combination of angelic and human), and he will go to his destruction (perdition) in the lake of fire. His Middle Eastern kingdoms of the past were the Land of Magog, Akkadian/Assyrian, neo-Babylon, Medo Persian, and northern Grecian. The legs of iron are not Rome. Rome did not start out as a divided kingdom. The visions end with the Greek, one north and one south (two thighs). There will be two kingdoms existing at the beginning of the future 70th week, one north and one south (two iron legs). The northern kingdom will be the little horn's and he will defeat the king of the south. He will also conquer the entire Middle East including Israel and rule for 42 months before he is defeated at Armageddon.

The two future kingdoms of the beast in the Middle East are not named in Scripture, but if we are close to the beginning of the 70th week then I would suggest that these will be Islamic kingdoms because they are inhabited by the adherents of Islam today and they are the traditional enemies of Israel. The Islamic king of the north (the little horn-area of ancient Syrio-Babylonia-Northern Iraq today) will defeat the king of the south (Egypt) and will then rule his divided kingdom with ten other kings. Israel will be invaded and occupied in the process. This is the setting presented in the scope of the visions of the Bible prophets.

You make a supposition that based upon the little horn appearing in the Middle East Area, as did Antiochus Epiphane....that his place of origin is in the middle east, which is not true at all.

All the Generals and that partionned Alexanders territories were Greek Macedons...
Look at their names Ptolomy, Cassander, Licimicus and Antiochus....

Just because they ruled over an are made them no more Syrian than Pontius Pilate..

You may have the area correct, but if history repeats itself, which many times it does, you have not made the proper supposition as to where the bun head anti christ comes from.

What you are saying doesn't even make sense...the israelis are not going to buy into some guy from Syria...they just bombed that neighbor last month! However, I wouldn't be surprised it this Greek/Macadonia/Slovenian is able to broker peace in Iraq...surely that will be his mark of accomplishment that makes the world love him...then he will head west and set his tents in between the two seas with eyes on the Holy City...of course, his game will be different than what it outwardly appears to be....people will like him.

Besides, isn't the US building him a gigantic compound over there in the green zone right now...with luxery suites, racketball, sport courts, fountains and lodging for 613 foreign dipolmats....

You don't really think we are building an $800 million dollar embassy in Iraq just to hand a few passports do you...we deny them visas and passports all the time,,,we could do that on line!!!! It's all a guise. They are building satan his last assault headquarters and it will be run similar to the UN....ahhhh...no wonder God says Babylon must burn........

The location is the answer. Ethnic is not in the Scriptural ID. Israel will never "buy into" his game. Why would think this? He will kill two thirds of the nation and the rest will flee. He will invade and occupy Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount. The covenant of Daniel 9 is not a peace agreement, it is the covenant of the 70 weeks of years as stated in the context of the chapter. The Lord will confirm the decree by executing the 70th. There will be no peace agreement between Israel and the nation's Islamic enemies and certainly not with the little horn. All that the USA is building in Iraq will be lost and come to nothing as you will see. And who are those doing the building that you refer to. Tell me who they are. Remember it is the little horn and the 10 other kings who will burn MBG's "great" city part at the time of the end .... and this "great city" will not be in the Middle East where the little horn will rule. You are a bit loose with your evaluation of my post and view of the visions. Give me your Scripturally supported views on this subject.

Dear Crownsevenalphabet,

Sorry that I haven't had the opportunity of answering your questions until now. No, I haven't studied Cherubim at the site to which you refer but the Bible only. No, I am not standing between the man and ox either, for what I meant by my greetings is that what I have said and written is in accordance with the spirit who enlivens the witnesses of God and is between the cherubim, and that spirit is of Jesus Christ after the everlasting gospel (Rev 14:6).

Yes, of course I had a reason for the salutation, namely to reveal that the sixth seal is opened and the sixth trumpet is sounded, and the secret and message of the two witnesses is about to be revealed to all mankind.

I will return to this subject and expound it in fuller details later for people to read and test it.

With hope for broken hearts
PehJeshua

Dear Stephen,

I will advise you to keep yourself to what Scripture tells us and not make up things for which there is no basis whatsoever in Scripture.

You wrote:


My answer:
What you have written is just a mess and downright a denial of what Scripture itself reveals. How can you, for instance, say that the little horn WILL APPEAR IN SYRIO-BABYLONIA? Why "will appear"? Don't you know that this is already passed time since the little horn CAME UP as part of the fourth beast and actually made it different from the former three beasts, among which the Babylonian empire belong? You are completely off the right track! Why didn't you get it that according to the original text the little horn did come up outside the hellenistic kingdoms into which Alexander the Great's empire was divided. You also seem to believe that the 70 prophetic weeks of Dan 24 are divided, with the last week being separated frome the rest of the weeks. That is wrong. The 70 weeks are one time unit, and they ended in 36 CE. Jesus died in the last of these prophetic weeks, that is, in the "week" that started in 29 CE and ended in 36 CE. You refer to Zech 14 but I dare tell you that you dont understand the true contents of that chapter. If need be I will expound it and show what it really tells us.

You wrote:



My answer:
Listen man, the second beast of Rev 13:11 is part of the the first beast, being one of its heads, the one called Oholiba in prophecy. The word 'beast' means deception, and its red colour that it simulates the Holy Spirit. The horns of the beast are people, and so are its heads too, and in the body of the beast is all the world included through the beast's dominion over every tribe, people, language and nation, and because "all inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast". Don't mix up these things!

You wrote:


My answer:
You are completely lost, for the little horn came at the time of Constantine the Great. There is no other little horn to come. You are wrong and cannot prove with Scripture what you say to be true. Take care, you are going astray!

You wrote:


My answer:
How can you come up with that much falsehood? When Rev 17:10 tells us that five of seven kings are fallen, and that one IS, you ought to know that these fallen heads are still on the beast, as they are the originators of false doctrines and churches, but these fallen ones are not anymore the only head of their respective "kingdoms" (churches) as is the POPE, who still IS. He "IS" because he is still the king of his church. The beast, therefore, is not in the abyss but on the foundation of Scripture, which is heaven on earth, where it deceives people to believe that it is the true church of God. It will not succeed, as can be seen in Rev 12:8 and Matthew 8:12. You are completely wrong again!

You wrote:


My answer:
What you tell here is just rubbish and has got no basis in Scripture! What I have said earlier proves that!

You wrote:


My answer:
Since the 70 weeks of Dan 9 are passed by long ago you are totally wrong in all what you tell! You should stop talking out of your own flesh and instead start listening more while talking less!

With friendly advice
PehJeshua

Boy, the Scripture is sure true! We Christians certainly spend a LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT '....wondering after the beast.....'!

There are numerous other passages that coincide with Daniel and Revelation. Amos, Obadiah, Micah, Hosea, Psalms. Zephaniah. Zecheriah, Numbers, Genesis, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Nahum, Joel, Ezekiel. I could go on but there is not enough space to write an entire Bible which mostly has been chopped out of your conclusions. Many seem to overlook these passages or make this same error.


Ezekiel 23---"Oholah" and Oholibah" are "Samaria" and "Jerusalem". It is reference to physical Israel committing spiritual adultery... you are confusing the physical seed of Israel with the church. God clearly called physical Israel a harlot and desribed as "Sodom and Gemorrah". Jerusalam(physical Israel) is in bondage unless she is regrafted back into the olive tree. See the following description:

Sitting in the wilderness--- see Jeremiah 3
Decked as Queen committing harlotry with kings see Ezekiel 16 & Nahum 3
Dressed in crimson as a harlot see Jeremiah 4
Bearing the cup of drunkeness to all nations see Jeremiah 25 * please note Sheshach is LAST(ie Babylon to drink it) It is the same as the cup of Babylon---see Jeremiah 50
Sold into slavery with the Sabeans(Arabia) see Jeremiah 3 and Ezekiel 23, and Galatian 4.
Israel bears the wicked women and brings her in Shinar(Babylon) see Zecheriah 5 and Jeremiah 27
Full of blood of saints and prophets of all the earth see Matthew 23, Isaiah 1, Ezekiel 16 and 23.
Voice of bridegroom gone see Jeremiah 7, 16, and 25.
Recieves Double for all her sin see Jeremiah 16, and 30
Lovers turn against her and hate her see Jeremiah 30, Ezekiel 16, and Hosea 13
Takes up tabernacle of Moloch and the Star of Saturn see Amos 5 and Acts 7.

Here is an obvious example from scripture:

Hosea 13:1-9

When Ephraim spake trembling, he exalted himself in Israel; but when he offended in Baal, he died. And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves. Therefore they shall be as the morning cloud and as the early dew that passeth away, as the chaff that is driven with the whirlwind out of the floor, and as the smoke out of the chimney.

Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought. According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me. Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them: I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.

Revelation 13:1-3

And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

That is just one example of how peopel overlook other applicable passages. As reulst they base their ideology and conclusions on Daniel and Revelation alone. Here is more:

You say Abaddon is not the beast. Let us see here by comparing scripture:

Revelation 9:1-2
1The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

Revelation 9:9-11
9They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. 10They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months. 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

Compare to:
Revelation 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.

Revelation 11:6-7
6These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want. Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

The beast comes up out of the abyss as described in Revelation 11 and 17. Abaddon the destroyong angel comes up out of the abyss. Clearly Stephen has read his text correctly... it is obvious that Abaddon and the beast are one and the same...

Proof that Abaddon is a fallen angel. If you read your Bible carefully amd look Hebrew up or in ASV you will find that Abaddon also mentioned specifically in Job. The Hebrew text in KJV clearly confirms that the word :destruction: used in the translation of passage below in Job is actually literally "Abaddon" the angel of the abyss or destroying angel... not a lot is mentioned concerning Abaddon but there is some reference is you look for the Hebrew.

Job 26:5-7

They that are deceased tremble Beneath the waters and the inhabitants thereof. Sheol is naked before God, And Abaddon hath no covering. He stretcheth out the north over empty space, And hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Okay now we have to look at Hebrew the word "deceased" here is not "muwth" the common word for the deceased. This word here translated as "deceased" is actually "Rapha" from the root word "Rephaim". It does not mean deceased in the gneral sense at all. Rephaim are translated as "the dead ones" or "giants" also known as a tribe of Nephilim. The word "Rapha" means "shades or ghosts", or plural Rephaim.

Clearly Abaddon is refernced to the period of the flood and the Nephilim giants destroyed in the flood mentioned in Genesis 6. If Abaddon is referenced to the flood era---I can see why Stepehn concludes that Abaddon is a fallen angel. Remember there are several fallen angels...not just Satan. They hang with Satan as seen in Job 1.

Now in Jude and 2 Peter 2 we see mention that certain angels who sinned were chained in the abyss in the flood era. If Abaddon is referenced to the flood era in Job 26, we can easily conclude that Abaddon is one of those angels...further interesting that Job mentions the "north" here also and Abaddon in the same context...

Now that we know that Abaddon the beast from the abyss. We can also indefity that he incarnates or poses as a human king. Let see where Stephen might find this in scripture:

Isaiah 14:9-17

Sheol from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming; it stirreth up the dead(the RAPHA) for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall answer and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Thy pomp is brought down to Sheol, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations! And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the uttermost parts of the pit. They that see thee shall gaze at thee, they shall consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and overthrew the cities thereof; that let not loose his prisoners to their home?

Sound familair?... ie who can make war with the beast?Oh My this is the man who deceived us? Sounds like what Revelation is saying too.

Now guess where the beast comes from..is it Rome?

Isaiah 14:24-27
24 Jehovah of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely, as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: that I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulder. This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth; and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. For Jehovah of hosts hath purposed, and who shall annul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

No the Bible says he is Assyrian... ohh wait Stephen says Abadon incarnates:

29 Rejoice not, O Philistia, all of thee, because the rod that smote thee is broken; for out of the serpent's root shall come forth an adder, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

Now you need to reseacrh the Hebrew to undertsand this one:

It reads like this emphasis mine ... for out of the Serpant's(Nachash---snake or fleeing serpant ie Satan) root(children, proginy) shall come forth an adder(Tsepha---cockatrice, viper's nest), and his fruit (seed, offspring) shall be a fiery flying serpant(Saraph--seraphim, a serpentine angel).

Now let us see if Isaiah 14's "the Assyrian" relates to Daniel in anyway.

Daniel 11:21-23

And in his place shall stand up a contemptible person, to whom they had not given the honor of the kingdom: but he shall come in time of security, and shall obtain the kingdom by flatteries. And the overwhelming forces shall be overwhelmed from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully; for he shall come up, and shall become strong, with a small people.

Daniel 11:28-30
Then shall he return into his land with great substance; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do his pleasure, and return to his own land. At the time appointed he shall return, and come into the south; but it shall not be in the latter time as it was in the former. For ships of Kittim shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and shall return, and have indignation against the holy covenant, and shall do his pleasure: he shall even return, and have regard unto them that forsake the holy covenant.

Numbers 24:14-16

And now, behold, I go unto my people: come, and I will advertise thee what this people shall do to thy people in the latter days. And he took up his parable, and said, Balaam the son of Beor saith, And the man whose eye was closed saith;He saith, who heareth the words of God, And knoweth the knowledge of the Most High, Who seeth the vision of the Almighty, Falling down, and having his eyes open:

Numbers 24:21-25
21 And he looked on the Kenite, and took up his parable, and said, Strong is thy dwelling-place, And thy nest is set in the rock. Nevertheless Kain shall be wasted, Until Asshur shall carry thee away captive. And he took up his parable, and said, Alas, who shall live when God doeth this? But ships shall come from the coast of Kittim, And they shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber; And he also shall come to destruction. And Balaam rose up, and went and returned to his place; and Balak also went his way.

Clearly the prophecy of Balaam coincides with the visions of Daniel...both describes the ships of Chittim coming against him... Balaam clarifies Daniel by identifying the "him" as Assyrian which also hold congruent with Isaiah 14, and Jeremiah 25. By the way Chittim is Rome...LOL why would Rome come against itself?

Babylon plays a big part in the Armageddon Struggle. AS we see in Rev 16:12-16 it is not a mystery as to where one of the first major assaults comes from:

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

Rev 13 even indicates the anti christ and false prophet will have made this one of their attack headquarters:

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Therefore, it is clear, if this is the attack headquarters, something monumental must bring the area together to facilitate this activity due to it's current state of unrest.
It has to be a middle east capital upon which peace is grounded...one of the 10 regions.

Now, I am pretty familiar with Geography. The Euphrates is a very descriptive term...it doesn't leave any other options as to whether it is a physical or spiritual Babylon that is involved in the attack.

Clearly other kings will be involved as well and will oppose this attack..this is satans strategy. Bring up the kings of the east the west the south and the north all against the glorious land....some literally against it, and some theoretically for it...although it is ultimately all regional self interest and with petroleum playing a major role in that interest....If we examine the US situation in Iraq...we can see how the current military bases can be used for other launching purposes..especially if a treaty between Irag, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia...etc is established by genius leader outside the direct sphere of this area.

Indeed, they are all looking for the mahdi who comes into town on a white horse..this is the exact opposite of what Holy Scriptures proclaim...indeed they talk about the four horseman...in Revelations 6:2-8....this of course is the anti christ impersonating Christ himself who at a later time does return on a white horse...

satan is a counterfeit christ...he imitates Christ Jesus albiet loosely if you are aware of his devices...if you are not aware of his devices, he is downright brilliant

Dear 1LikeDeborah,

Will you please tell me in short if anything of what I wrote is wrong or insufficient instead of quoting a lot of scriptures.

I could easily comment on all of these scriptures but will instead wait for the jist of what you intended to tell me.

With sorrow in heart
PehJeshua

I think it's easier to see the (first) beast of Revelation 13 as a composite beast after it has assimilated all the other beasts from Daniel 7 where there was a lion, bear, leopard, and dreadful beast.

In Rev 13, after the Old Testament and many centuries have passed, the Roman Empire (4th beast out of which a little horn (papacy) grew to persecute the saints, Dan 7, we see Rome has a mouth like a lion, feet like a bear, looks like a leopard and has the total heads and horns from Daniel 7.

The 2nd beast like a lamb (a professedly Christian nation) calls fire down from heaven (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) and causes the world to make an image (something that looks similar) to the first beast.
Early Americans believed that 1st beast was Rome as they fled the Old World Order. But now we see an image of it, New World Order and it will ultimately involve false worship from which we, too, must flee, or receive the wrath of God (Rev 14:9,10).

Richard.
PS: I don't know who put this website up, but it reflects the above idea that an increasing number see--
http://www.bibleprophecy.net/rev13.htm

Dear Richard,

The beast that came out of the sea according to Rev 13, which you call the first beast, was neither the Roman empire nor any composite of the four beasts mentioned in the book of Daniel. The fourth beast of Dan 5:40 and 7:19 symbolizes the Roman empire, which came before the beast of Rev 13 came out of the sea. Everyone who reads Dan 7:7-8 will see that the little horn came up in the fourth empire and beast, and as part of it, and not within a composite of the four empires or beasts of the book of Daniel. According to Dan 7:24 the little horn was DIFFERENT FROM THE EARLIER ONES in the fourth empire. Actually, since the fourth empire, which was the Roman empire, would also be DIFFERENT FROM THE EARLIER BEASTS OR EMPIRES (Dan 7:7), it must have become so because of the little horn and the beast that came out of the sea (Rev 13). Remember that the little horn should come up both BETWEEN (Dan 7:8) and AFTER (Dan 7:24) the 10 horns, so this should prove that the little horn also is part of the beast that came out of the sea according to Rev 13. Thus it ought to be simple to understand that the little horn is part of the sea beast, whereas the sea beast that comes out of the sea comes up within the Roman empire. Dont mix these important things! Even though it is said that three of the first horns were uprooted before the little horn, there still remain 10 horns on the beast. None of the ten horns of the beast are meant by those three that would be uprooted, and of course not, for they will remain till the end according to Rev 17:16. Believe what Scripture shows you! So what are the little horn and the sea beast? Well, in short the little horn is the first head of the beast, and thus is the pope and the papal church, and the beast itself is the deception and falsehood that won victory over the NT Christian church and brought about the total falling-away. This is the true meaning of the beast, which is red and utter deception. It started by the coming of the ten horns, the first of which was Constantine the Great, and the little horn, which was and IS, is the pope and the papal church. Constantine was the first of ten emperors who would still rule in the Roman empire before it was definitively divided. During and through these ten emperors was the road paved for the pope, so that the little horn eventually became the first head of falsehood or the first head of the sea beast. This explanation is from God and Scripture and can not be refuted!

You wrote:


My answer:
No, you are wrong again! The second beast is also just a part of the sea beast, namely one of its 7 heads. To be frank with you, the beast that came out of the earth is Martin Luther and his doctrine or church. He just made an image of the sea beast as it first turned up in the shape of the Catholic church, the first head. There are also other heads on the sea beast, and they are the Methodist doctrine and church, the Baptist doctrine and church, the Reformed doctrine and church, the Orthodox doctrine and church, and the Anglican doctrine and church. These seven main churches of the beast are its heads, but only the first head, the pope, IS STILL (the one that IS, whereas 5 has fallen, Rev 17:10), for even today the pope IS the head of his doctrine and church. Those fallen five churches are fallen in the sense of not being ruled by their one originator and head. The Orthodox church is not ruled by Photin, the Anglican church not by Cranmer, the Reformed church not by Calvin, the baptist church not by John Smyth, the Lutheran church not by Luther. None of these originators or leaders are still ruling their respective churches by so-called apostolic succession, except the pope. Therefore he IS. This secret is not yet revealed to the whole world but will be very evident to mankind one day in the future.

You wrote:


My answer:
Dont believe such lies as what that website presents but believe what I tell you, for this is from between the cherubim and shall one day judge the whole earth!

With sorrow in heart
PehJeshua

Dear PehJeshua,

You may think your information is "from between the cherubim" but the Shekinah used imagery that cannot be improved by you saying, "The second beast is also just a part of the sea beast, namely one of its 7 heads." I would like to warn you of such fanciful interpretations. Founding fathers of this country recognized the 1st beast of Rev 13 as the papacy (Holy Roman Empire) and the 2nd beast coming up out of the earth (sea is people and multitudes, Rev 17:15) as unpopulated New World, the United States which looked like a lamb, gentle, peace-loving, a symbol of Christ, but now speaking as a dragon and bringing fire down from heaven, and making New World Order (image of the 1st beast, Old World Order). This is not hard to understand and most people have no problem following it.

Let me invite you to shift your focus to www.WhyMay19.com and I welcome any response to Ruhling7@juno.com
Richard

So true. Prophesy fulfilled.