Dennis Mann questions

Scriptural trues are opening up before our very eyes and in unison the mockers and scoffers are trying to throw 'the snare' a little further over the truth of His word. He is 'my defense' I WILL NOT BE MOVED.

DENNIS SAID: world-wide, there are multitudes of good born-again Christians who have never heard of the pre-trib rapture, or mid-trib , or post-trib............many christians don't even have a bible............many are il-literate and can't read any writing..........many have no radio, TV, or newspaper
many have never heard that GORE is the a/c many have never heard of the 666 mark (and they don't know to avoid it)

DENNIS asked: WHAT ABOUT THEM?

MY ANSWER: God knows THEIR HEARTS

Then Dennis referred to the below points as not making any sense.

HE ASKED: why is it?.........that, if i believe in a pre-trib rapture,........that God will send me to Hell?

MY ANSWER: If it is even a misguided belief, that someone ‘TRUSTED IN’ the ‘traditions of man’ and DIDN’T STUDY to show themselves approved by searching the scriptures themselves, I believe God’s word is pretty clear, that they will STILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

However the twisting of the ‘seventy week’ of Daniel has major ramifications, especially on those who PROMOTE IT, and they will be held accountable for.

DENNIS ASKED: what about Christians who lived 200 years ago?...........they never heard of a pre-trib anything....they were never TESTED AND TRIED, as Gav says that we will be...........and Gav is making such a big issue about this.

MY ANSWER: Those who ARE NOT PRACTICING in 'deceivableness in unrighteousness' WILL NOT BE tested and tried and as Isaiah 26:20 says WILL BE HID.

HE SAID: Gav's writings don't make sense.

MY ANSWER: Dennis, using you as an example, ‘whether you know it or not’ are walking just where Paul said MOST WOULD BE WALKING!

As I have been proclaiming for 11+ months now, the prophecy ‘gurus’ teachings of the 70’s and 80’s have become as ‘rote’ never changing, now not even thought about or their ‘doctrines of demons’ even studied.

They have become, what Yeshua warned us about, “traditions of men”. That we have hung our hats on, by not ‘studying’ to show OURSELVES APPROVED.

Everyone on this forum has had more than ample to time to RUN WITH THE VISION. That bus bombing killing 19 in Jerusalem on 6-18-2002 was not WITHOUT REASON. That was the hand of EL SHADDAI, the ‘Almighty God’ of Israel!


RESPONDING TO DENNIS, In the “Mindy asked some tough questions” post, I said there are "many legs" to the 'lie'. Turning to the Evangelical Christianity leg, because that is what the biggest % of this forum is!

Evangelical Christians are going to HAVE TO DEAL WITH the 'deceivableness of unrighteousness' issue. They have taken away from their Lord and Savior his works, ASCRIBING THEM TO THE ANTICHRIST thereby denying Yeshua fulfilled them.

Scripture unequivocally REBUKES THE LIE of Daniel 9:27 as works of the antichrist and shows THEY ARE our LORD and Saviors, in Isaiah 42:6 and Galatians 3:14-15 PROVING the 70th week was fulfilled at the stoning of Stephen.

Dennis, I can't force God's hand, the "lie" is huge, the 'seventy week' and Daniel 8's 'Ghost of Alexander' lies are but a small part of the larger snare that Satan has thrown over the 'Evangelical community'. If you don't REPENT of them God turns them over to their own lusts.

Remember those in the Churches are judged first, look again at those Galatians 3 and Isaiah 42 texts.

Giving Him the glory gavrial

you never preach against any sin except the sin of believing in a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE.

there are other sins out there, such as murder, gluttony, rape, kidnapping, vote-buying, NOT helping the poor..............

but you condemn us for JUST ONE SOLITARY SIN.

why is that?


P.S.
i don't know whether the rapture is pre, mid,or post..............Shekel said that he doesn't know , and i'm thinking that Shekel is more knowledgeable than i


will your god send me to hell for not knowing?...........what will be Shekel's fate?...........will he be with me?

what difference does it make if i believe in a pre-trib rapture?............the un-believers may kill me for being a believer, BEFORE WE MAKE IT TO THE TRIB.

There are wonderful believers being horrifically persecuted and murdered/martyred today............Will they burn in Hell for believing a pre-trib-rapture?

No. The Lord's "harpazo" action will take place before His hour of trial. This can be supported with Scripture 100%. There is a large movement today in professing Christianity that denies this truth. And there is a reason for the denial. The believer should not be deceived by those who refute the Lord's promises.

i didn't know what harpazo meant, so i looked it up.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture
Etymology

"Rapture", when used in eschatological terms, is an English word used in place of the Latin word raeptius; taken from the Vulgate, which in turn is a translation of the Koine Greek word harpazo, which is found in the Greek New Testament manuscripts of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

In many modern English translations of the Bible, harpazo is translated; "caught up", or "taken away".

"Harpazo" \har-pad'-zo\ Koine Greek; "forcibly snatched away", "taken for oneself".

Yes, I know: Everybody is 100% right ! Pre mid and post. They all have their scriptures.

Like Dennis said: You guys can only preach on the rapture. Is that really what Jesus said we must do? Shout at each other about this?
I cannot see it anywhere in the Bible. I see a lot of preaching on death to self , overcoming, being perfected, Christ manifesting in us, the revelation of the sons of God, God bringing us to maturity in Christ, God bringing us into unity of doctrine, but all we read these days by Christians is : Rapture, rapture, rapture.

C

DM,

Correct.

This event is totally unique in Scripture and described differently from any other resurrection/translation. The Lord will execute this action just prior to His hour of trial and judgment against an unbelieving world. [Revelation 3:10]. The evidence of this action and the timing of it in relationship to the 70th week decreed for national Israel is Scripturally supported, but no one knows when the 70th week (same as the Lord's hour of trial) will begin ..... so no one knows the date of the Lord's "harpazo". The Lord will shout "come out of her my people" [Revelation 18:4] just before the "great city" of Revelation is destroyed [Revelation 8:7-12, 17 and 18]. This destruction will be the first judgment of the tribulation period. The "Church" will be in heaven during the 70th week and will observe the tribulation period on the earth [Revelation 4:4, 5:9-10, 7:9-17, 11:1, 12:12, 19:1-14]

Lexicon Results for harpazō (Strong's G726) Greek for G726 ἁρπάζω Transliteration
harpazō
Pronunciation
här-pä'-zō (Key)
Part of Speech
action verb
Root Word (Etymology)
from a derivative of G138
TDNT Reference
1:472,80
Vines
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Outline of Biblical Usage 1) to seize, carry off by force

2) to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly

3) to snatch out or away


Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 13 AV — catch up 4, take by force 3, catch away 2, pluck 2, catch 1, pull 1

There will be no signs or warnings directly linked with this event or the beginning of the Lord's hour of trial (the tribulation period of 7 years). We can see the stage being set today for these things to come. Particularly in the Middle East.

dennis mann on Oct 22, 2007 at 11:56 AM' in post # 125395 SAID a) you never preach against any sin except the sin of believing in a PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. there are other sins out there, such as murder, gluttony, rape, kidnapping, vote-buying, NOT helping the poor.............. c) but you condemn us for JUST ONE SOLITARY SIN.

THEN ASKING, why is that?

MY RESPONSE; Dennis my brother, I am not a preacher, I responded to the prophet Habakkuk’s call that the “tarrying days” were over and that it was time to place the ‘vision’ in SIMPLE TERMS on the WWWeb and that’s what I did on November 14, 2006 on this very site.

Dennis I CAN’T CONDEMN ANYONE as you claim in c) above. God’s word does, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RAPTURE, the Daniel ‘seventy week’ heresy and the ‘ghost of Alexander’ are what’s “of deceivableness in unrighteousness” they condemn you.

If you don’t REPENT OF IT our God, not just mine as you reiterate below will give us over! The ‘rapture’ may have come out of one of these teachings, but is a last day, September 29/30, 2008, occurrence.

DENNIS ALSO SAID,

P.S. i don't know whether the rapture is pre, mid,or post..............Shekel said that he doesn't know , and i'm thinking that Shekel is more knowledgeable than i

DENNIS, Shekel, will tell you the same thing, we all have to study to SHOW OURSELVES APPROVED, what it gets down to is rightly dividing the WORD OF TRUTH.

We can easily say, Hal Lindsey or John Doe told me…..but my brother you have to search FOR YOURSELF. The evidence given for George Bush’s Roadmap to Peace becoming Daniel’s 2300 day vision has been overwhelming and is permeated in pockets all over this site.

DENNIS THEN ASKED, will your god send me to hell for not knowing?...........what will be Shekel's fate?...........will he be with me?

what difference does it make if i believe in a pre-trib rapture?............the un-believers may kill me for being a believer, BEFORE WE MAKE IT TO THE TRIB.

There are wonderful believers being horrifically persecuted and murdered/martyred today............Will they burn in Hell for believing a pre-trib-rapture?

DENNIS IN RESPONSE to this question, if they were adamantly promoting it knowing that it seemed like an ‘easy out’ and didn’t repent of it I’d think yes?

The ‘biggest’ percentage of so called Christianity doesn’t believe in a rapture, it’s the ‘leg’ that does that has to deal with it. I did some 10 years ago and rejected it.

I remember going in to book stores and opening up new prophecy books back in the 80’s and as I’d glance through them the Holy Spirit would point to a ‘convicting truth’ that I was believing a ‘lie’ and I’d QUICKLY CLOSE IT UP and read a ‘soothing’ book that was in my own camp!

Have any of you ever been there?

DENNIS , I’ll say it again, the ‘traditions of men’ will make true teachings of ‘non effect’. That’s what has happened, God has allowed it, read Isaiah 42:6 and Galatians 3:14-15 they ‘tear the LIE of Daniel 9:27 ASUNDER!!

You WILL NOT be tried and tested IF YOU REBUKE the ‘lies’ There is a ‘rapture’ and it is at the ‘last day’, it’s the ‘escape to the wilderness’ for 40 weeks were we go supernaturally.

WHILE GOD TESTS AND TRIES THE DOERS OF DECEIVABLENESS OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS’ and he is such a merciful and loving God that there will be an angel WARNING NOT to take the mark, flying in the heavens.

Would you not rather BE HID while the seals are being peeled, than taking a chance, THAT YOU WILL EVEN SURVIVE?

There’s going to be ‘nuclear radiation’ that’ll permeate certain parts of our country when 7 or 8 cities are simultaneously terrorized and you may NOT EVEN BE ALIVE TO HEAR the warning angel in the heavens.

That’s why it says many, many will be in the VALLEY OF DECISION that’s where you and all of us are, the vision is true, Run with it. Your ‘bro’ Gav

Giving Him the glory, gavrial

The scoffer and the false prophet typically combine these two attributes. Let the reader beware.

Stephen,

You mentioned "signs."

This is interesting: http://www.californiajudgment2008.citymax.com

I'm not sure what I think about every little aspect of it, but it definitely provokes thought.

In Christ,

Mike

Stephen,

What ATTRIBUTES ARE THESE "You shall know them buy their fruits" My posts may be 'propheticly harsh' so to speak, there is not one NO NOT ONE PERSON, not one, that have I been rude to.

Stephen, I have been posting on this forum for over 2 years, whatever these attributes are, would I have not had them early on or even in the middle.

My postings are in and always have been in a 'Yeshua' oriented attitude and are consistent throughout, and I give Him the glory.

I ask all on this forum today, ESPECIALLY YOU 'OLD TIMERS' in forum membership longevity, if I have ever offended you or have you ever thought I had offended anyone intentionally?

There was one time, almost 2 years ago, when todays "birthday boy" said something so far out that I kiddingly scolded him but other than that, can you all say MY FRUITS, these 2 attributes, that you have been seeing through 2+ years of posting are GOOD?

Or could it be Stephen, that by your being very adamant about the VERY OBVIOUS DANIEL 8 AND DANIEL 9 LIES, that 'pride' won't let you DENY THEM, remember "greater is HE who is in you". Rebuke it, kick the dust off your feet, those 'traditions of men and come back to the light.

Stephen, my brother, seek righteousness, God's word has torn these lies apart. They were all built on quicksand, 30 some years before the 'vision' even began. It's hard to break old habits, been their done that.

I have remained quiet and will continue to keep my soul quiet, even to those who curse me and will let the Set Apart One of Israel, speedily nullify the counsel and disrupt the design of those who tend to do evil against me.

His word will stand, Run with the vision, in love and in Yeshuas' name.

Giving Him the glory, gavrial

The Lord's Word stands against false prophecy and false teaching. October 29th will tell the tale.

What will happen on Oct. 29th?

Stephen on Oct 22, 2007 at 5:58 PM in post # 125474 evidently STILL BELIEVING the 2 lies of Daniel 9:24-27 and the 'ghost of Alexander' in Daniel 8 is still calling Gavrial a "false prophet' and "false teacher' said,

The Lord's Word stands against false prophecy and false teaching. October 29th will tell the tale.

This is from an October 6, 2007 post telling ALL that the antichrist would be revealed in six days.

Did I SAY THUS SAITH THE LORD, NO I said the timelines and the scriptures ‘DEMANDED’ THAT the antichrist be revealed! And HE WAS.

Now look at this quote “It will be at this time, sometime between October 26 and November 11, 2007 that Jeremiah 51:27-28 and Isaiah 13:6-17 will also be fulfilled.”

Do YOU SEE A ‘THUS SAYETH THE LORD? There’s not even a “scripture DEMANDS IT”

Stephen since day one, August 10, 2005, I have been saying that Yeshua returns on September 30, 2008 since November 14, 2006 I have been saying that Daniel’s 2300 day vision ends on October 9, 2008.

As for those two dates I HAVE BASICALLY SAID THUS SAYETH THE LORD because I have not wavered one ‘iota’ off them!

As for November 29, 2007 as a ‘watchmen’ I have WARNED ON SEVERAL SITES to watch out for this day.

Make sure you have water, batteries in your short wave radios, dried goods and etc. The reason being, in case we have forgotten, GOG, the chief prince of Russia, Vladmir Putin has had his long range bombers on a 14 day training mission.

Were into day 8, what I’m telling you all, is NOT TO GET LAZY, a work of a watchman, so from the Full moon of November 25th to the end of His training mission on November 30, 2007 be ON HIGH ALERT.

Now if you are trying to pin me down to a day, as I have said many times on this site, I can NOT FORCE GOD’S HAND and that overrides any particular date I might mention, when the MAJORITY ON THIS FORUM KNOW WHERE I stand in regards to SEPTEMBER 30TH AND October 9, 2008.

That’s the days I’m looking forward to, As far as the fulfilling of Jeremiah 50; 31-32 and the ‘third’ fourth and fifth seal’ I wish I could give an exact date. November 29-30 look ominous and SHOULD BE WATCHED as the ending of the ‘second seal’.

I will say December 21 and December 25 do look AS TO BE SET IN STONE with both timelines DEMANDING THESE DAYS TO BE FULFILLED just as OCTOBER 12 DID !!

Stephen, there are TWO TRUE TIMELINES counting down, the ‘FAKE TIMELINE’ Daniel’s ‘seventy weeks’ has been scripturally proven to be a ‘fraud’ and a ‘deception’ that puts its followers in God’s hand.

Unless they REPENT FROM the ‘deceivableness of unrighteousness’ of the lies of Daniel 9:24-27 and Alexander’s ghost’ of Daniel 8. They will be tried and tested.

Can you be a ‘lying Christian’? “Thou shall not bear false witness”, is one of the ‘BIG TEN’ that’s why those “who have the testimony of Yeshua and KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS get into the wilderness!

I have remained quiet and will continue to keep my soul quiet, even to those who curse me and will let the Set Apart One of Israel, speedily nullify the counsel and disrupt the design of those who tend to do evil against me.

Again Stephen, His word will stand, Run with the vision, in love and in Yeshuas' name.

Giving Him the glory, gavrial

Dude, Al Gore is not the a/c. The a/c will arise out of the revived Roman Empire and I believe it will be after the Gog/Magog War when the Jews are allowed to start building their temple. The only way the Jews could get that temple rebuilt is from a divine intervention. I am sure that the a/c would be very interested in the rebuilding of that temple because he wants to sit on that throne. Anyways, I believe that the a/c will not be married, not have a family and seem too good to be true. I mean very handsome, lean, like an Italian godfather type of persona and will be able to speak all languages which will impress people. Al Gore is an average person who has a family and is trying to make a name for himself. Anyways I think this a/c will somehow be head of the UN including the EU.

I saw a post about October 29th. Well I have to tell you something odd that happened to my mother that day. She lives in Houston, Texas. She was praying and asking the Lord when He will return. He said to her that He should not return to her as a thief in the night because she was watching, and she shall know Him.

Well that day later in the afternoon, a van pulled up in front of my mom's house. Her car is parked in the garage and she has a for sale sign in the yard. A couple of guys walked up to the front of the house and started twisting the door knob as to get in. Then they walked to the back of the house in the backyard and went to the back door. They started twisting the door knob again. Then they went to the kitchen window looking in. My mom knew they were thieves and show she raised the blinds and confronted them!

So my mom knew that this occurrence of these men showing up was a foreshadowing concerning the "thief in the night" prophecy the Lord gave her.

"but all we read these days by Christians is : Rapture, rapture, rapture."

The believer's greatest hope .... the Lord will deliver !!!

The mature believer knows that one cannot perfect one's self in this physical life, or ever. Neither can flesh and blood enter. This idea that one will evolve into a super Christian for the Lord's hour of trial is deceptive. No believer can or will do this. This is the very reason for the need of salvation.

Are you ready?

There are schemes running rampent today for the very purpose of diverting the believer from focus upon the Lord's sudden "harpazo" action. Some very subtle and others direct. Caution.