http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3P-1FtcAqY


God bless you all

Dear Togarma,

What you say on your video is that God has called you to go to Israel to preach the gospel and that you are well-prepared for it, also bringing food with you for 3 1/2 years. Formerly God's people did not bring with them anything like that except their faith in God that he would provide for them.

Now, would you please answer to some questions I will put to you:

1) What is the gospel you are preaching?

2) Dont you know that the time of the sixth trumpet (in which we live now) is the time of the Gentiles, not the time of the Jews? (Your mission will therefore fail!)

3) Why do you bring with you food for 3 1/2 years?

4) Do you agree that if your mission to Israel fails there can be no doubt about it THAT GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO GO THERE?

5) Are you going back to Norway after 3 1/2 years?



With sorrow in heart
PehJeshua

Bring food? How on earth could I bring a tonne of wheat on an airplane to Israel?
I´m not going there for three and a half years - I have a return ticket for 14 days.

The food is for when I come home.

May the Lord be with you and keep you and your wife safe on your journey...
Many blessings...
Love, Lisa

Dear you,

Then you should speak in a more orderly way for listeners to understand you. By the way, you did not answer my relevant questions to your being called by God. Why so? I also asked you if you could substantiate your claim that the period 2000-2007 is connected to the mark of the beast, but stil there is no answer come from you. Are you a person who believes that you can claim whatever you want as to the Bible without having the obligation to prove at the same time that your claims are true and according to Holy Scripture?

With sorrow in heart
PehJeshua

Matthew 12:11
Then He said to them, “What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out?

If Jesus tells them that this is ok, why then would it be evil to go and preach to the lost?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

The gospel of Christ is for the Jew and the Greek, but for the Jew first!

Why is it wrong for this man or any other to go and preach the gospel to the lost?

Remember that Jesus said, "Luke 9:50 “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.”

Why discourage? Why not encourage?

Blessings to you Togarma and may the Lord of Hosts be with you.

In Christ,
Chris

May the Lord bless your trip to Israel. May the Lord prepare the way for this precious souls to receive the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Please know that you and your wife are in my prayers. We will be most anxious to hear of trip when you return.

The Lord bless you and keep you!
Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming

(I have removed quoted objectional content from this post Chrio39)

My dear sir, it is not of God to curse anyone in the name of our Lord Jesus. That is not the spirit
that the Lord has given his people. You are in error for thinking cursing people is a Godly thing
to be doing.
There is nothing wrong with witnessing the Lord Jesus to people that want to hear. One must be
careful and stick to the Word of God in the Holy King James version.
Always ask the Holy Spirit for guidence when teaching the word of God. Do not be deceived
about cursing people... this is not taught by God and should not be apart of Christian lifes.

God Bless,
Thunder

Bless you Togarma for going to Israel and sharing the Gospel. For any one to tell you it is wrong when we are commanded to do this from Yeshua Himself, they are simply wrong. They are lost on this matter.
PehJeshua no matter what differences you may have on the timing of the mark of the beast or what years its hear, should be of no consequence for this discussion. You will not find many on this forum that agree about the times of end-time events. But one thing is for sure ,as saints of Yahweh we are all in this together and are told to not present the spirit you are showing. But are to let the one true spirit shine through us.
Please I ask you for the sake of Yahweh's Kingdom to stop insulting, harrassing, and mistreating your fellow Saint. Treat Him with love as I know he would you. Togarma please learn about witchcraft as sending a curse upon someone is sending a demon to do harm to another. This is evil. There is but one spirit that you should even be considering and that is the Holy Spirit. Any other use of spirits or curses is witchcraft. We are told to stay away from this. How can you love your enemy and pray for those that persecute you if you are sending faul spirits to harm them. In what phrase does curse and good work together. These two cannot work together. They are different. One in a sin performed out of Gods will, and the other is His command.
Love, Love, Love and if anything else should be said here is WHERE IS THE LOVE the Jesus has shown both of you. How can you except a gift you don't cannot earn, but is freely given to you out of love , and then turn around and not show the same love to others.
Togarma I have followed your trip and Gotta say I wish I was doing what you're doing. Oh the dreams of many on this forum to go to Israel and share the gospel with JEws and muslims, and agnostics, and athiest, and all the many beliefs in Israel as Israel is a Country with religious freedoms. Continue to share and as we know you will continue to learn.
PehJeshua start loving or continue where you stopped at some point in this conversation and also continue to learn, and in a few years you may be sharing that food with Togarma as I know he would share for another Saint.
In love ,
Pull it together cause what Kingdom that is apart can stand.

I have removed 2 posts that are referenced above. I also edited out quotes from those posts from taltimbr's post.

Let's be Christlike and keep it clean please. I don't enjoy deleting and editing posts. I'd rather not have to. When we fight one another the devils are glorified, not Christ.

I agree that Togarma's post needed to be removed. However the only problem with removing those posts is that it shields us from knowing truly what manner of man togarma is. Also Chrio from your edit it appears that taltimbr has written objectionable content whereas I think from memory what you were removing were quotes from Togarma's objectionable post.

Togarma directly contravened the scripture
Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not

James 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. 11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place [5] sweet water and bitter? 12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

We need to be wary of Togarma in the future because of the curses he has uttered against members of this board.

Wary or teach? BOTH I SAY! Teach and be wary so see if he accepts he was in the wrong and will erase such thought from his thinking as a christian. I do not feel togarma is a false Christian, just learning. As we see from this he did not start in this manner but let his flesh get to him from the harassment of others. This is no excuse for cursing someone, but at the same time, this man shows he wants to know JEsus and share His Gospel. LEt us not condem a man on one act alone. Let us examine him from now on.
On a side note I have seen preachers do the same. Sending cursing back on people. SUch is a Sin. BUt Togarma obviously has been misled in this area. Let those that are wise instruct Him, so He may continuelly change into the man Christ would have Him be. If He shows no willingness to listen or change, then perhaps pursue action.
Has this been the only curse from Him or has this happened before?
If this is not the first then my writings are wrong and void.
Prayer for the growing knowledge of the Saints would be a great start on this matter.
If this helps!
And togarma I am sorry you were backed into this corner. Just show that you are sorry for your error and are aware of your actions and this will fade away. Because If Jesus has forgiven you what you've done, I cannot imagine a member here having any excuse not to as well..
ETC

EndTimeCalling......I respect you for your words of wisdom! The Love of Christ truly dwells in you richly.
Thank you for giving us a Godly example.


Galations 6:1
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming

chrio39,

I am at a loss to what you considered objectionable in my post on this thread. I notice that you
are editing these posts early in the morning hours, or in anotherway VERY late at night.
I made NO comment that could be judged as objectionable.

friends in Christ,
Thunder