JOB 11:11
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
For He knows false men, And He sees iniquity without investigating.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
He knows who the scoundrels are. And when he sees sin, doesn't he pay attention to it?
King James Bible
For he knoweth vain men: he seeth wickedness also; will he not then consider it?
American Standard Version
For he knoweth false men: He seeth iniquity also, even though he consider it not.
Bible in Basic English
For in his eyes men are as nothing; he sees evil and takes note of it.
Douay-Rheims Bible
For he knoweth the vanity of men, and when he seeth iniquity, doth he not consider it?
Darby Bible Translation
For he knoweth vain men, and seeth wickedness when man doth not consider it;
English Revised Version
For he knoweth vain men: he seeth iniquity also, even though he consider it not.
Jewish Publication Society Tanakh
For He knoweth base men; and when He seeth iniquity, will He not then consider it?
Webster's Bible Translation
For he knoweth vain men: he seeth wickedness also; will he not then consider it?
World English Bible
For he knows false men. He sees iniquity also, even though he doesn't consider it.
Young's Literal Translation
For he hath known men of vanity, And He seeth iniquity, And one doth not consider it!
Full Version: Job 11:11
QUOTE
Henry:
Job 11:7-12
Zophar here speaks very good things concerning God and his greatness and glory, concerning man and his vanity and folly: these two compared together, and duly considered, will have a powerful influence upon our submission to all the dispensations of the divine Providence.
I. See here what God is, and let him be adored.
1. He is an incomprehensible Being, infinite and immense, whose nature and perfections our finite understandings cannot possibly form any adequate conceptions of, and whose counsels and actings we cannot therefore, without the greatest presumption, pass a judgment upon. We that are so little acquainted with the divine nature are incompetent judges of the divine providence; and, when we censure the dispensations of it, we talk of things that we do not understand. We cannot find out God; how dare we then find fault with him? Zophar here shows, (1.) That God’s nature infinitely exceeds the capacities of our understandings: "Canst thou find out God, find him out to perfection? No, What canst thou do? What canst thou know?’’ v. 7, 8. Thou, a poor, weak, short-sighted creature, a worm of the earth, that art but of yesterday? Thou, though ever so inquisitive after him, ever so desirous and industrious to find him out, yet darest thou attempt the search, or canst thou hope to speed in it? We may, by searching find God (Acts 17:27), but we cannot find him out in any thing he is pleased to conceal; we may apprehend him, but we cannot comprehend him; we may know that he is, but cannot know what he is. The eye can see the ocean but not see over it. We may, by a humble, diligent, and believing search, find out something of God, but cannot find him out to perfection; we may know, but cannot know fully, what God is, nor find out his work from the beginning to the end, Eccl. 3:11. Note, God is unsearchable. The ages of his eternity cannot be numbered, nor the spaces of his immensity measured; the depths of his wisdom cannot be fathomed, nor the reaches of his power bounded; the brightness of his glory can never be described, nor the treasures of his goodness reckoned up. This is a good reason why we should always speak of God with humility and caution and never prescribe to him nor quarrel with him, why we should be thankful for what he has revealed of himself and long to be where we shall see him as he is, 1 Co. 13:9, 10. (2.) That it infinitely exceeds the limits of the whole creation: It is higher than heaven (so some read it), deeper than hell, the great abyss, longer than the earth, and broader than the sea, many parts of which are to this day undiscovered, and more were then. It is quite out of our reach to comprehend God’s nature. Such knowledge is too wonderful for us, Ps. 139:6. We cannot fathom God’s designs, nor find out the reasons of his proceedings. His judgments are a great deep. Paul attributes such immeasurable dimensions to the divine love as Zophar here attributes to the divine wisdom, and yet recommends it to our acquaintance. Eph. 3:18, 19, That you may know the breadth, and length, and depth, and height, of the love of Christ.
2. God is a sovereign Lord (v. 10): If he cut off by death (margin, If he make a change, for death is a change; if he make a change in nations, in families, in the posture of our affairs),—if he shut up in prison, or in the net of affliction (Ps. 66:11),—if he seize any creature as a hunter his prey, he will gather it (so bishop Patrick) and who shall force him to restore? or if he gather together, as tares for the fire, or if he gather to himself man’s spirit and breath (ch. 34:14), then who can hinder him? Who can either arrest the sentence or oppose the execution? Who can control his power or arraign his wisdom and justice? If he that made all out of nothing think fit to reduce all to nothing, or to their first chaos again,—if he that separated between light and darkness, dry land and sea, at first, please to gather them together again,—if he that made unmakes, who can turn him away, alter his mind or stay his hand, impede or impeach his proceedings?
3. God is a strict and just observer of the children of men (v. 11): He knows vain men. We know little of him, but he knows us perfectly: He sees wickedness also, not to approve it (Hab. 1:13), but to animadvert upon it. (1.) He observes vain men. Such all are (every man, at his best estate, is altogether vanity), and he considers it in his dealings with them. He knows what the projects and hopes of vain men are, and can blast and defeat them, the workings of their foolish fancies; he sits in heaven, and laughs at them. He takes knowledge of the vanity of men (that is, their little sins; so some) their vain thoughts and vain words, and unsteadiness in that which is good. (2.) He observes bad men: He sees gross wickedness also, though committed ever so secretly and ever so artfully palliated and disguised. All the wickedness of the wicked is naked and open before the all-seeing eye of God: Will he not then consider it? Yes, certainly he will, and will reckon for it, though for a time he seem to keep silence.
II. See here what man is, and let him be humbled, v. 12. God sees this concerning vain man that he would be wise, would be thought so, though he is born like a wild ---’s colt, so sottish and foolish, unteachable and untameable. See what man is. 1. He is a vain creature—empty; so the word is. God made him full, but he emptied himself, impoverished himself, and now he is raca, a creature that has nothing in him. 2. He is a foolish creature, has become like the beasts that perish (Ps. 49:20, 73:22), an idiot, born like an ---, the most stupid animal, an ---’s colt, not yet brought to any service. If ever he come to be good for any thing, it is owing to the grace of Christ, who once, in the day of his triumph, served himself by an ---’s colt. 3. He is a wilful ungovernable creature. An ---’s colt may be made good for something, but the wild ---’s colt will never be reclaimed, nor regards the crying of the driver. See Job 39:5-7. Man thinks himself as much at liberty, and his own master, as the wild ---’s colt does, that is used to the wilderness (Jer. 2:24), eager to gratify his own appetites and passions. 4. Yet he is a proud creature and self-conceited. He would be wise, would he thought so, values himself upon the honour of wisdom, though he will not submit to the laws of wisdom. He would be wise, that is, he reaches after forbidden wisdom, and, like his first parents, aiming to be wise above what is written, loses the tree of life for the tree of knowledge. Now is such a creature as this fit to contend with God or call him to an account? Did we but better know God and ourselves, we should better know how to conduct ourselves towards God.
Job 11:7-12
Zophar here speaks very good things concerning God and his greatness and glory, concerning man and his vanity and folly: these two compared together, and duly considered, will have a powerful influence upon our submission to all the dispensations of the divine Providence.
I. See here what God is, and let him be adored.
1. He is an incomprehensible Being, infinite and immense, whose nature and perfections our finite understandings cannot possibly form any adequate conceptions of, and whose counsels and actings we cannot therefore, without the greatest presumption, pass a judgment upon. We that are so little acquainted with the divine nature are incompetent judges of the divine providence; and, when we censure the dispensations of it, we talk of things that we do not understand. We cannot find out God; how dare we then find fault with him? Zophar here shows, (1.) That God’s nature infinitely exceeds the capacities of our understandings: "Canst thou find out God, find him out to perfection? No, What canst thou do? What canst thou know?’’ v. 7, 8. Thou, a poor, weak, short-sighted creature, a worm of the earth, that art but of yesterday? Thou, though ever so inquisitive after him, ever so desirous and industrious to find him out, yet darest thou attempt the search, or canst thou hope to speed in it? We may, by searching find God (Acts 17:27), but we cannot find him out in any thing he is pleased to conceal; we may apprehend him, but we cannot comprehend him; we may know that he is, but cannot know what he is. The eye can see the ocean but not see over it. We may, by a humble, diligent, and believing search, find out something of God, but cannot find him out to perfection; we may know, but cannot know fully, what God is, nor find out his work from the beginning to the end, Eccl. 3:11. Note, God is unsearchable. The ages of his eternity cannot be numbered, nor the spaces of his immensity measured; the depths of his wisdom cannot be fathomed, nor the reaches of his power bounded; the brightness of his glory can never be described, nor the treasures of his goodness reckoned up. This is a good reason why we should always speak of God with humility and caution and never prescribe to him nor quarrel with him, why we should be thankful for what he has revealed of himself and long to be where we shall see him as he is, 1 Co. 13:9, 10. (2.) That it infinitely exceeds the limits of the whole creation: It is higher than heaven (so some read it), deeper than hell, the great abyss, longer than the earth, and broader than the sea, many parts of which are to this day undiscovered, and more were then. It is quite out of our reach to comprehend God’s nature. Such knowledge is too wonderful for us, Ps. 139:6. We cannot fathom God’s designs, nor find out the reasons of his proceedings. His judgments are a great deep. Paul attributes such immeasurable dimensions to the divine love as Zophar here attributes to the divine wisdom, and yet recommends it to our acquaintance. Eph. 3:18, 19, That you may know the breadth, and length, and depth, and height, of the love of Christ.
2. God is a sovereign Lord (v. 10): If he cut off by death (margin, If he make a change, for death is a change; if he make a change in nations, in families, in the posture of our affairs),—if he shut up in prison, or in the net of affliction (Ps. 66:11),—if he seize any creature as a hunter his prey, he will gather it (so bishop Patrick) and who shall force him to restore? or if he gather together, as tares for the fire, or if he gather to himself man’s spirit and breath (ch. 34:14), then who can hinder him? Who can either arrest the sentence or oppose the execution? Who can control his power or arraign his wisdom and justice? If he that made all out of nothing think fit to reduce all to nothing, or to their first chaos again,—if he that separated between light and darkness, dry land and sea, at first, please to gather them together again,—if he that made unmakes, who can turn him away, alter his mind or stay his hand, impede or impeach his proceedings?
3. God is a strict and just observer of the children of men (v. 11): He knows vain men. We know little of him, but he knows us perfectly: He sees wickedness also, not to approve it (Hab. 1:13), but to animadvert upon it. (1.) He observes vain men. Such all are (every man, at his best estate, is altogether vanity), and he considers it in his dealings with them. He knows what the projects and hopes of vain men are, and can blast and defeat them, the workings of their foolish fancies; he sits in heaven, and laughs at them. He takes knowledge of the vanity of men (that is, their little sins; so some) their vain thoughts and vain words, and unsteadiness in that which is good. (2.) He observes bad men: He sees gross wickedness also, though committed ever so secretly and ever so artfully palliated and disguised. All the wickedness of the wicked is naked and open before the all-seeing eye of God: Will he not then consider it? Yes, certainly he will, and will reckon for it, though for a time he seem to keep silence.
II. See here what man is, and let him be humbled, v. 12. God sees this concerning vain man that he would be wise, would be thought so, though he is born like a wild ---’s colt, so sottish and foolish, unteachable and untameable. See what man is. 1. He is a vain creature—empty; so the word is. God made him full, but he emptied himself, impoverished himself, and now he is raca, a creature that has nothing in him. 2. He is a foolish creature, has become like the beasts that perish (Ps. 49:20, 73:22), an idiot, born like an ---, the most stupid animal, an ---’s colt, not yet brought to any service. If ever he come to be good for any thing, it is owing to the grace of Christ, who once, in the day of his triumph, served himself by an ---’s colt. 3. He is a wilful ungovernable creature. An ---’s colt may be made good for something, but the wild ---’s colt will never be reclaimed, nor regards the crying of the driver. See Job 39:5-7. Man thinks himself as much at liberty, and his own master, as the wild ---’s colt does, that is used to the wilderness (Jer. 2:24), eager to gratify his own appetites and passions. 4. Yet he is a proud creature and self-conceited. He would be wise, would he thought so, values himself upon the honour of wisdom, though he will not submit to the laws of wisdom. He would be wise, that is, he reaches after forbidden wisdom, and, like his first parents, aiming to be wise above what is written, loses the tree of life for the tree of knowledge. Now is such a creature as this fit to contend with God or call him to an account? Did we but better know God and ourselves, we should better know how to conduct ourselves towards God.
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary on the Whole Bible
back to: Job
Book: Job
Chapter: 11
Overview:
Zophar reproves Job. (1-6) God's perfections and almighty
power. (7-12) Zophar assures Job of blessings if he repented.
(13-20)
Vehement criticism from Zophar (later was reproved by God)
1-6 Zophar attacked Job with great vehemence. He represented
him as a Man that loved to hear himself speak, though he could
say nothing to the purpose, and as a Man that maintained
falsehoods. He desired God would show Job that less Punishment
was exacted than he deserved. We are ready, with much Assurance,
to Call God to act in our quarrels, and to think that if he
would but speak, he would take our part. We ought to leave all
disputes to the Judgment of God, which we are sure is according
to Truth; but those are not always right who are most forward to
Appeal to the Divine Judgment.
7-12 Zophar speaks Well concerning God and his greatness and
Glory, concerning Man and his vanity and folly. See here what
Man is; and let him be humbled. God sees this concerning vain
Man, that he would be Wise, would be thought So, though he is
born like a wild ---'s colt, So unteachable and untameable. Man
is a vain Creature; empty, So the Word is. Yet he is a proud
Creature, and self-conceited. He would be Wise, would be thought
So, though he will not submit to the laws of Wisdom. He would be
Wise, he reaches after forbidden Wisdom, and, like his first
parents, aiming to be Wise above what is written, loses the tree
of Life for the tree of knowledge. Is such a Creature as this
fit to contend with God?
Resurrection
John 11:11 (New International Version)
11After he had said this, he went on to tell them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up."
Greatest in Kingdom of Heaven
Matthew 11:11 (New International Version)
11I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Land of Milk and Honey
Deuteronomy 11:11-12 (King James Version)
11But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:
12A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.
back to: Job
Book: Job
Chapter: 11
Overview:
Zophar reproves Job. (1-6) God's perfections and almighty
power. (7-12) Zophar assures Job of blessings if he repented.
(13-20)
Vehement criticism from Zophar (later was reproved by God)
1-6 Zophar attacked Job with great vehemence. He represented
him as a Man that loved to hear himself speak, though he could
say nothing to the purpose, and as a Man that maintained
falsehoods. He desired God would show Job that less Punishment
was exacted than he deserved. We are ready, with much Assurance,
to Call God to act in our quarrels, and to think that if he
would but speak, he would take our part. We ought to leave all
disputes to the Judgment of God, which we are sure is according
to Truth; but those are not always right who are most forward to
Appeal to the Divine Judgment.
7-12 Zophar speaks Well concerning God and his greatness and
Glory, concerning Man and his vanity and folly. See here what
Man is; and let him be humbled. God sees this concerning vain
Man, that he would be Wise, would be thought So, though he is
born like a wild ---'s colt, So unteachable and untameable. Man
is a vain Creature; empty, So the Word is. Yet he is a proud
Creature, and self-conceited. He would be Wise, would be thought
So, though he will not submit to the laws of Wisdom. He would be
Wise, he reaches after forbidden Wisdom, and, like his first
parents, aiming to be Wise above what is written, loses the tree
of Life for the tree of knowledge. Is such a Creature as this
fit to contend with God?
Resurrection
John 11:11 (New International Version)
11After he had said this, he went on to tell them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up."
Greatest in Kingdom of Heaven
Matthew 11:11 (New International Version)
11I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Land of Milk and Honey
Deuteronomy 11:11-12 (King James Version)
11But the land, whither ye go to possess it, is a land of hills and valleys, and drinketh water of the rain of heaven:
12A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year.
Well, of course, we all know Zophar's heart in his reprove, but it is not the whole message behind Job's friend Zophar that I am highlighting; it's the PRECISE and CONCISE WORDS in the statement found ONLY in Job 11:11, N O T Job11:10, or Job 11:12, etc.
By focusing on the overall message diffuses my intended point and is a DISTRACTIVE dis-service to my specific point that these SPECIFIC words are ASSOCIATED WITH 11:11, and thus DEFINED BY ASSOCIATION 11:11 as the embodiment of the following:
"He knows who the scoundrels are. And when he sees sin, doesn't he pay attention to it?"
This clearly HIGHLIGHTS that 11:11 is associated with NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS. It states that 11:11 IS NOT GOOD.
Whereas, the message behind Zophar's reprove is for an entirely different thread and Bible study not at all applicable here.
Nice try, though, Miki & "voice", BUT NO CIGAR... You're going to have to wake up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes.
-7
By focusing on the overall message diffuses my intended point and is a DISTRACTIVE dis-service to my specific point that these SPECIFIC words are ASSOCIATED WITH 11:11, and thus DEFINED BY ASSOCIATION 11:11 as the embodiment of the following:
"He knows who the scoundrels are. And when he sees sin, doesn't he pay attention to it?"
This clearly HIGHLIGHTS that 11:11 is associated with NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS. It states that 11:11 IS NOT GOOD.
Whereas, the message behind Zophar's reprove is for an entirely different thread and Bible study not at all applicable here.
Nice try, though, Miki & "voice", BUT NO CIGAR... You're going to have to wake up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes.
-7
QUOTE(THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Oct 11 2007, 07:05 PM) [snapback]123997[/snapback]
Well, of course, we all know Zophar's heart in his reprove, but it is not the whole message behind Job's friend Zophar that I am highlighting; it's the PRECISE and CONCISE WORDS in the statement found ONLY in Job 11:11, N O T Job11:10, or Job 11:12, etc.
By focusing on the overall message diffuses my intended point and is a DISTRACTIVE disserve to my specific point that these SPECIFIC words are ASSOCIATED WITH 11:11, and thus DEFINED BY ASSOCIATION 11:11 as the embodiment of the following:
"He knows who the scoundrels are. And when he sees sin, doesn't he pay attention to it?"
This clearly HIGHLIGHTS that 11:11 is associated with NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS. It states that 11:11 IS NOT GOOD.
Whereas, the message behind Zophar's reprove is for an entirely different thread and Bible study not at all applicable here.
Nice try, though, Miki & "voice", BUT NO CIGAR... You're going to have to wake up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes.
-7
I don't sense the Spirit of Christian love in your replies so I'll not continue responding to you.
Try reading 1 Corinthians 13 and living it.
You are shouting. Lots of 'thunder' but no light(ning). Have the last word if you must, but I won't respond to insults and accusations.
God be with you
QUOTE(voice @ Oct 11 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]123999[/snapback]
I don't sense the Spirit of Christian love in your replies so I'll not continue responding to you.
Try reading 1 Corinthians 13 and living it.
You are shouting. Lots of 'thunder' but no light(ning). Have the last word if you must, but I won't respond to insults and accusations.
God be with you
And, I’m sure you would have said precisely the same to Jesus… “You are shouting. Lots of 'thunder' but no light(ning)….” --- as “Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. And as he taught them, he said, ‘Is it not written:
" 'My house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"’” (Mark 11:15-17)
VOICE: “(Why,) I don't sense the Spirit of Christian love in your replies, (Jesus).”
For have you not come to also do the same, to make the Temple, the Body, the House of God to follow ANOTHER sweet sounding “voice” that will ROB the prayers of the nations, turning the Temple into “a den of robbers”? This is apparent to many here by the skewed 11:11 gospel that you are figuratively selling in the Temple of God. I think you are sincere in your belief, but, unfortunately, sincerely wrong. It is the gospel of ANOTHER JESUS. Hopefully, one day soon you will wake up to this grave and damaging error leading many astray.
May the Lord help you.
QUOTE
Nice try, though, Miki & "voice", BUT NO CIGAR... You're going to have to wake up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes.
Seven...I kept trying to think of that phrase yesterday to say it to you...I kept thinking "Nice try but no bananas...for some reason l couldn't remember cigar..
I have to say something though. Looking for that kind of pattern to find hidden meaning is ordinary. Not that God may not do that...but you're getting really hung up on it. Gee wiz...there's several strings on the same topic. Do we really have to see connections to 11/11 to read the writing on the wall? Or better said...to know just what the surface word says?
Seven..just because it strays from topic doesn't mean God didn't want it posted. Henry's commentary relates to something in my persoanl ministry.. Totally disconnected from this..
Don't you think we should get off 11...It's getting like the 11:11 cult. Gosh. Oh hey 11/11/07 is just around the corner. I know your heads will be swirling along with perdictions...
Sorry..I can't resist...
QUOTE(THE SEVEN THUNDERS @ Oct 12 2007, 12:57 AM) [snapback]124025[/snapback]
QUOTE(voice @ Oct 11 2007, 06:39 PM) [snapback]123999[/snapback]
I don't sense the Spirit of Christian love in your replies so I'll not continue responding to you.
Try reading 1 Corinthians 13 and living it.
You are shouting. Lots of 'thunder' but no light(ning). Have the last word if you must, but I won't respond to insults and accusations.
God be with you
And, I’m sure you would have said precisely the same to Jesus… “You are shouting. Lots of 'thunder' but no light(ning)….” --- as “Jesus entered the temple area and began driving out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves, and would not allow anyone to carry merchandise through the temple courts. And as he taught them, he said, ‘Is it not written:
" 'My house will be called
a house of prayer for all nations'? But you have made it 'a den of robbers.'"’” (Mark 11:15-17)
VOICE: “(Why,) I don't sense the Spirit of Christian love in your replies, (Jesus).”
For have you not come to also do the same, to make the Temple, the Body, the House of God to follow ANOTHER sweet sounding “voice” that will ROB the prayers of the nations, turning the Temple into “a den of robbers”? This is apparent to many here by the skewed 11:11 gospel that you are figuratively selling in the Temple of God. I think you are sincere in your belief, but, unfortunately, sincerely wrong. It is the gospel of ANOTHER JESUS. Hopefully, one day soon you will wake up to this grave and damaging error leading many astray.
May the Lord help you.
James 3:16-18 (King James Version)
16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
QUOTE(Miki @ Oct 12 2007, 07:30 AM) [snapback]124045[/snapback]
QUOTE
Nice try, though, Miki & "voice", BUT NO CIGAR... You're going to have to wake up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes.
Seven...I kept trying to think of that phrase yesterday to say it to you...I kept thinking "Nice try but no bananas...for some reason l couldn't remember cigar..
I have to say something though. Looking for that kind of pattern to find hidden meaning is ordinary. Not that God may not do that...but you're getting really hung up on it. Gee wiz...there's several strings on the same topic. Do we really have to see connections to 11/11 to read the writing on the wall? Or better said...to know just what the surface word says?
Seven..just because it strays from topic doesn't mean God didn't want it posted. Henry's commentary relates to something in my persoanl ministry.. Totally disconnected from this..
Don't you think we should get off 11...It's getting like the 11:11 cult. Gosh. Oh hey 11/11/07 is just around the corner. I know your heads will be swirling along with perdictions...
Sorry..I can't resist...
Remembrance Day
On the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month we observe a 2 minute silence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/remembrance/history/
http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_...ils.php?id=3615
A solemn day of respect for fallen heros and for appreciating the freedoms we have.
God bless
QUOTE(Miki @ Oct 12 2007, 06:30 AM) [snapback]124045[/snapback]
QUOTE
Nice try, though, Miki & "voice", BUT NO CIGAR... You're going to have to wake up pretty early to pull the wool over my eyes.
Seven...I kept trying to think of that phrase yesterday to say it to you...I kept thinking "Nice try but no bananas...for some reason l couldn't remember cigar..
I have to say something though. Looking for that kind of pattern to find hidden meaning is ordinary. Not that God may not do that...but you're getting really hung up on it. Gee wiz...there's several strings on the same topic. Do we really have to see connections to 11/11 to read the writing on the wall? Or better said...to know just what the surface word says?
Seven..just because it strays from topic doesn't mean God didn't want it posted. Henry's commentary relates to something in my persoanl ministry.. Totally disconnected from this..
Don't you think we should get off 11...It's getting like the 11:11 cult. Gosh. Oh hey 11/11/07 is just around the corner. I know your heads will be swirling along with perdictions...
Sorry..I can't resist...
MIKI! YOU MAKE ME LAUGH! I JUST LOVE YOU!
Voice:
I have been in my prayer closet, and the Lord has revealed to me that yes, indeed, there are two Jesus, two Christs, and two Messiahs. One is the True Jesus and the other is the False Jesus. One is the True Christ and the other is the False Christ. One is the True Messiah and the other is the False Messiah. Satan is the great counterfeiter, and he corrupts everything authored by God. It is clear as I have posted that these “corruptions” exist surrounding “11:11” and the number “11”, though even in the Holy Scriptures “11” is definitely defined as “separation”, a “dichotomy”, “disintegration”, “disorganization”, “deterioration”, and the number of “confusion”, and we all know who the “god of confusion” is.
As I said earlier there exists Existential Trans-Universal Laws and Principles set in place at the beginning of our Universe by God which Satan takes full advantage of and manipulates for his deceptive purposes, corrupting and perverting them. Yes, all numbers were created by the Lord, but yet we know “666” possesses properties in opposition to the Lord, and according to Satanists, the number “9” (the number of “destruction”) is the number that Satan claims as his own. Even “9/11” (the terrorist attack date) has his number “9” plus the number of “disintegration/disorganization” (“11”), which no one can deny that this event is the embodiment of “disintegration”, for even when summed it equates to “11”: 9 + 1 + 1 = “11”, the number of “separation”, a “dichotomy” between two times (ages: for the “times” have since that date changed forever), as the “11” curtains of the Tabernacle divided the internal Holiness from the external profane.
So after much thought it seems to me that we may be both right and both wrong, simultaneously. It may very well be that as part of these universal laws there are indeed two aspects to “11:11”, one being the embodiment of its tangible surface meaning (what I have been extolling), and one being the embodiment of its intangible sub-surface meaning (what you have been extolling), and also this is dealing with the “two” Messiahs where “11:11” is being used by both the Divine and the demonic on both levels, the tangible surface and intangible sub-surface.
There appears to be two “impregnations”, one demonic, and one Divine, and the universal law of “11:11” appears to be the “instrument” by which this will be attained:
So the Demonic Nature has implemented “11:11” for its use in the “Antichrist Ascension Code” and its New Age use to bring forth the Nephilim via “Transformism”. It shall be an impregnation from Orion’s Belt of 7 prescribed demons per human host being prepared for the “triggering” by the “11:11 ascension frequency” which is transmitted through the human retinal nerve and “programs” the Junk DNA encoding to ultimately manifest “surrender” to Antichrist. Simultaneously, this will collectively trigger “transformation” of human hosts into the “Preterhumans” (super + humans), or “Transhumans”, i.e. "you tell the gods who did not create the heavens and earth that they shall surely perish.” New Agers also call this “quantum leap” to the next evolutionary species as “Homo noeticus” (man of the mind).
And, the Divine will implement “11:11” for His purposes, via the “impregnation” not from Orion’s Belt, which is “Kesil” in Hebrew, meaning “Fool”, but from Aries (the Ram: “The Lamb Put Forth”), being the Zodiac Sign under which Christ resurrected, having 8 stars as His name “Yeshus” is “888”; and God will “impregnate” Christ into the Remnant Bride, for I believe He will come “into” His Bride “before” He “physically” comes for her (intangible & tangible). This is the catching up of the “Man-Child”.
So it may very well be that the “11:11” is the universally dualistic (common denominator) “outpouring” upon ALL flesh, both Righteous and profane described in Joel, but it’s just that it will manifest two different effects. For the Righteous it will be wholeness in Christ. For the profane it will be wholeness in Satan. Remember there are two “marks”, two “seals”. Those sealed up by God marks them as His Own, and those accepting the “Mark of the Beast” seals them up as Satan’s own. So this may be the determining factor establishing who shall receive what type of “impregnation”, Holy or profane. Could it be that these two groups are the 10 Virgins in Christ’s parable? Five are prepared with their lamps full of oil (Holy Spirit), and five are “asleep” and unprepared without any oil (Holy Spirit) and the “Door” shuts on them after the other five receive their True Bridegroom… and the other whom will they receive as their bridegroom? And, it may be that this second group becomes the False Church of the coming One World Religion, appearing Christian in façade and name only, worshipping the false messiah.
So for the moment I will reserve from any further criticism, and focus on silent study, exploring the intangible sub-surface to the "11:11" phenomenon "hidden" in scripture for God's purposes. And I apologize to you for being excessively firm; yet you have not at the least acknowledge the profound evidence of deception that is going on in the New Age Movement regarding the “11:11” phenomenon as distinctly different and completely antipodal from God’s purpose for His Bride, which you have not yet commented upon, rejected, or addressed. Particularly, you not rejecting the antithetical verison propagated by the New Agers gives the impression to others that you endorse it, which is why their is opposition to your message. That may not be the case, but we have no way of knowing because you have not revealed your stand on the New Age version of the 11:11 phenomenon.
Blessings & Peace in Christ Jesus…
-7
I have been in my prayer closet, and the Lord has revealed to me that yes, indeed, there are two Jesus, two Christs, and two Messiahs. One is the True Jesus and the other is the False Jesus. One is the True Christ and the other is the False Christ. One is the True Messiah and the other is the False Messiah. Satan is the great counterfeiter, and he corrupts everything authored by God. It is clear as I have posted that these “corruptions” exist surrounding “11:11” and the number “11”, though even in the Holy Scriptures “11” is definitely defined as “separation”, a “dichotomy”, “disintegration”, “disorganization”, “deterioration”, and the number of “confusion”, and we all know who the “god of confusion” is.
As I said earlier there exists Existential Trans-Universal Laws and Principles set in place at the beginning of our Universe by God which Satan takes full advantage of and manipulates for his deceptive purposes, corrupting and perverting them. Yes, all numbers were created by the Lord, but yet we know “666” possesses properties in opposition to the Lord, and according to Satanists, the number “9” (the number of “destruction”) is the number that Satan claims as his own. Even “9/11” (the terrorist attack date) has his number “9” plus the number of “disintegration/disorganization” (“11”), which no one can deny that this event is the embodiment of “disintegration”, for even when summed it equates to “11”: 9 + 1 + 1 = “11”, the number of “separation”, a “dichotomy” between two times (ages: for the “times” have since that date changed forever), as the “11” curtains of the Tabernacle divided the internal Holiness from the external profane.
So after much thought it seems to me that we may be both right and both wrong, simultaneously. It may very well be that as part of these universal laws there are indeed two aspects to “11:11”, one being the embodiment of its tangible surface meaning (what I have been extolling), and one being the embodiment of its intangible sub-surface meaning (what you have been extolling), and also this is dealing with the “two” Messiahs where “11:11” is being used by both the Divine and the demonic on both levels, the tangible surface and intangible sub-surface.
There appears to be two “impregnations”, one demonic, and one Divine, and the universal law of “11:11” appears to be the “instrument” by which this will be attained:
So the Demonic Nature has implemented “11:11” for its use in the “Antichrist Ascension Code” and its New Age use to bring forth the Nephilim via “Transformism”. It shall be an impregnation from Orion’s Belt of 7 prescribed demons per human host being prepared for the “triggering” by the “11:11 ascension frequency” which is transmitted through the human retinal nerve and “programs” the Junk DNA encoding to ultimately manifest “surrender” to Antichrist. Simultaneously, this will collectively trigger “transformation” of human hosts into the “Preterhumans” (super + humans), or “Transhumans”, i.e. "you tell the gods who did not create the heavens and earth that they shall surely perish.” New Agers also call this “quantum leap” to the next evolutionary species as “Homo noeticus” (man of the mind).
And, the Divine will implement “11:11” for His purposes, via the “impregnation” not from Orion’s Belt, which is “Kesil” in Hebrew, meaning “Fool”, but from Aries (the Ram: “The Lamb Put Forth”), being the Zodiac Sign under which Christ resurrected, having 8 stars as His name “Yeshus” is “888”; and God will “impregnate” Christ into the Remnant Bride, for I believe He will come “into” His Bride “before” He “physically” comes for her (intangible & tangible). This is the catching up of the “Man-Child”.
So it may very well be that the “11:11” is the universally dualistic (common denominator) “outpouring” upon ALL flesh, both Righteous and profane described in Joel, but it’s just that it will manifest two different effects. For the Righteous it will be wholeness in Christ. For the profane it will be wholeness in Satan. Remember there are two “marks”, two “seals”. Those sealed up by God marks them as His Own, and those accepting the “Mark of the Beast” seals them up as Satan’s own. So this may be the determining factor establishing who shall receive what type of “impregnation”, Holy or profane. Could it be that these two groups are the 10 Virgins in Christ’s parable? Five are prepared with their lamps full of oil (Holy Spirit), and five are “asleep” and unprepared without any oil (Holy Spirit) and the “Door” shuts on them after the other five receive their True Bridegroom… and the other whom will they receive as their bridegroom? And, it may be that this second group becomes the False Church of the coming One World Religion, appearing Christian in façade and name only, worshipping the false messiah.
So for the moment I will reserve from any further criticism, and focus on silent study, exploring the intangible sub-surface to the "11:11" phenomenon "hidden" in scripture for God's purposes. And I apologize to you for being excessively firm; yet you have not at the least acknowledge the profound evidence of deception that is going on in the New Age Movement regarding the “11:11” phenomenon as distinctly different and completely antipodal from God’s purpose for His Bride, which you have not yet commented upon, rejected, or addressed. Particularly, you not rejecting the antithetical verison propagated by the New Agers gives the impression to others that you endorse it, which is why their is opposition to your message. That may not be the case, but we have no way of knowing because you have not revealed your stand on the New Age version of the 11:11 phenomenon.
Blessings & Peace in Christ Jesus…
-7
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It's been spelled out for me with signs and wonders since 1973........
How much plainer than 2 owls...Or Tracing paper...Doesn't matter if every line is right on...there's still an original and still a counterfeit. How will we know for sure? "My sheep know my voice"... and when He says "Come up here!" Wh00's going to be left. That's who's going to be walking around pretending to be the great redeemed church.
I've always maintained that there will be a huge catastrophic event accompanying the rapture. It will be hard to know unless you saw someone go if it really happened, as there will be many missing. This is the reasoning behind the new tracking device put on people and how the "rescuer" appears on the scene.
This is why l've said to C many times the danger of a post rapture view. I just don't believe Christians will be engaged with demonic beings this way because we will be taken out of the way. This is the deception so impossibly hard to detect. If it where possible the elect would be deceived...So it applies IF left behind. Seven you have a hard time telling even with the knowledge you have. What about the masses? I'm not sure about your demonic impregnating thing through the eye though
We have it in front of our face even now in the form of the codes and it is still difficult to tell who is saying what...Because both are speaking whether you see it or not. I don't see all of it thank God but l see enough to make known that ...
the jester is laughing. The joker...the jack of all trades..the deceiver of Jacob...the ruler of this world...The one who thinks he's the MC...But there's only one true Master and he's getting ready to rise from his heavenly throne and raise his hand...Maybe he's already up...maybe he's on his horse? I don't know but he has Holy Breath in his mouth. He's going to exhale and it will be all over. Amen!
How much plainer than 2 owls...Or Tracing paper...Doesn't matter if every line is right on...there's still an original and still a counterfeit. How will we know for sure? "My sheep know my voice"... and when He says "Come up here!" Wh00's going to be left. That's who's going to be walking around pretending to be the great redeemed church.
I've always maintained that there will be a huge catastrophic event accompanying the rapture. It will be hard to know unless you saw someone go if it really happened, as there will be many missing. This is the reasoning behind the new tracking device put on people and how the "rescuer" appears on the scene.
This is why l've said to C many times the danger of a post rapture view. I just don't believe Christians will be engaged with demonic beings this way because we will be taken out of the way. This is the deception so impossibly hard to detect. If it where possible the elect would be deceived...So it applies IF left behind. Seven you have a hard time telling even with the knowledge you have. What about the masses? I'm not sure about your demonic impregnating thing through the eye though
We have it in front of our face even now in the form of the codes and it is still difficult to tell who is saying what...Because both are speaking whether you see it or not. I don't see all of it thank God but l see enough to make known that ...
the jester is laughing. The joker...the jack of all trades..the deceiver of Jacob...the ruler of this world...The one who thinks he's the MC...But there's only one true Master and he's getting ready to rise from his heavenly throne and raise his hand...Maybe he's already up...maybe he's on his horse? I don't know but he has Holy Breath in his mouth. He's going to exhale and it will be all over. Amen!
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