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BrotherJon
Is this not an extremely important topic since the False Prophet will lead MANY to worship the Beast and it's Image?

If we stick only to what's written in scripture and throw out all the traditional teachings of man, we will by the grace of our Father get an awesome revelation.

"The letter killeth but the Spirit giveth life"

Anyone can read the "letter" of the Revelation of Jesus Christ...and be deceived, be wrong and amazingly be very confident in their misunderstanding! It's when we study the WHOLE of scripture and compare verse to verse, type to type and shadow to shadow will the truth become evident.

Jesus usually taught in parables so that "seeing they may not see and hearing they may not hear". The entire Book of Revelation is a parable proven by the way the Lord uses the imagery of the stars in His hand and the lamp stands....He explains what these represent giving us a clue that what follows is hidden wisdom that can only be revealed through revelation (spirit) and not intellectual effort. (letter)

In order to adequately shine the light of truth on the False Prophet we MUST use a lot of scriptures. Please be patient with me as I only want to be led of the Lord in this study and share these incredible revelations with those of you who love truth.

Since we are reading a parable we must not get stuck on the letter which killeth, right? But it's only through the imagery that the Lord uses will we be able to understand what He is revealing to us. Let's start with the description of the False Prophet beast, yes, beast.....in Revelation 13.

Rev 13:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (obviously not literal)
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

This is the foundational verse we will start with which gives us some very important characteristics of this "beast".

1. It comes out of the earth (not from God-not of the Spirit but of Flesh like Cain's offering which was of the Earth and unacceptable to God)

2. It has 2 horns (horns all through scripture represent "power or authority" and this beast has two distinct divisions of power)

3. like unto a lamb (A false prophet must be deceptive and look like the real thing-wolves in sheep's clothing-appearing as ministers of Jesus Christ-the LAMB)
Here's scriptural proof:

2Cor. 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel of light.
It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

4. Speaks as a dragon (forked tongue speech-lies-untruths-half-truths-false doctrines-Satan speaking through them to deceive)

5.Exercises the authority of the first beast (as I will prove later in this study, the first beast ratifies the authority of the False Prophet to have dominion over the people of the earth)

6.And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed. (the mission of the False prophet is to deceive the earth dwellers into compliance to the first Beast-as Jesus said plainly that "the very elect would be deceived IF it were possible".)

So is this False Prophet some clever man with gifted speech? It says, "He" as in a single male human doesn't it? Hasn't most if not all the prophecy teachers stated that this is a person? That's the LETTER, friends. Remember, this is a parable not to be read only in the natural but in the Spirit.

What I'm about to share with you is very difficult for many to receive because they have been conditioned by false teaching for years, but if you love the truth no matter where it may lead, you won't be deceived by the traditions of men. Here's the best way I know to break through the fog of misinterpretation of not only the False Prophet character but ALL the characters in the Revelation of Jesus Christ:

QUESTION-
Is the Whore of Babylon who rides the 7 headed-10 horned Beast a single woman? A real person? A drunken harlot? That's the LETTER which KILLS......most prophecy teachers readily admit that the Whore is a type of a GROUP of people in the apostate "church". I agree...."She" is a corporate entity of all who follow false religion and hate the real born again Christians to death.
Here is scriptural proof:

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I wondered with a great wonder.

Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all that have been slain upon the earth.

Notice-ALL that had been slain upon the earth.

QUESTION- Who was the first person slain upon the earth? ABEL! This harlot is ether VERY OLD or "she" is a type-a shadow-of all those who attempt to approach God on their own terms as Cain did (false religion) and after being rejected by God they become jealous of the true people of God and try to kill them. Just like the Jews did to Jesus and the disciples-just like Jezebel tried to do to Elijah- just like Herodias did to John the Baptist...and on and on.....

SO- What if.....ALL the characters of Revelation are also corporate and not singular people?

It's obvious that the BEAST isn't a "man" as a singular person.
Scriptural proof:

Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth: (this is NOT a man....it says so right here)
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; (again...how can this be a "man" when it says 7 kings...giving us the interpretation of the letter plainly) the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.

Why have so many taught incorrectly that the Beast is a charismatic leader that will arise from the Middle East or whatever? That's false. Just as the Harlot is a group, so is the Beast a corporate entity....so is the FALSE PROPHET a corporate entity as well.

Hold on....I will prove this without a doubt as we go forward.

In the next post I will discuss:

What is a "beast" according to the types in scripture? (Daniel's vision of the 4 beasts)

What are the 2 horns? (1 Kings 18)

What are we hearing in the Christian churches today that expose the False Prophet and it's hidden agenda? (Daniel 3- "The Herald")

Pray and ask Him to confirm this teaching to you.....He will.

Blessings in Jesus!

Brother Jon
BrotherJon
The False Prophet leads the people to worship the Beast and it's image.

What is the Beast?

What is the image of the Beast?


We see how the scriptures interpret "beast" imagery in the book of Daniel.

Dan 7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of heaven brake forth upon the great sea.
Dan 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
Dan 7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth concerning all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, that shall arise out of the earth.

We see here that God uses beasts to represent "kings/kingdoms" or in our vernacular, "governments".

To prove this beyond any doubt God gives us a second witness.

In Daniel chapter 2- The King of Babylon has a dream about the image with the head of gold, chest and arms of silver, waist of bronze, legs of iron and feet of iron/clay mixture. Hidden in the cubit measurements of the image he builds is 666- the number of the beast.
Scriptural proof:

Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore (60) cubits, and the breadth thereof six (6) cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, (numeric value of this word is 600) in the province of Babylon. 666

Daniel correctly interprets the image (beast) to represent coming world kingdoms/empires/governments.

Dan 2:28 but there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and he hath made known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days.

Dan 2:32 As for this image, its head was of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of brass,
Dan 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet part of iron, and part of clay.
Dan 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, art king of kings, unto whom the God of heaven hath given the kingdom, the power, and the strength, and the glory;
Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee; and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things; and as iron that crusheth all these, shall it break in pieces and crush.

The beast images always represent governmental ruling powers- not charismatic guys that fool everyone with their intelligence and cunning words-but corporate entities.

If the Beast= Governments....what do we use as an image of a government? One type of this is the FLAG! Isn't it interesting that all Americans generally worship the Flag? Old GLORY? They pledge allegiance to the FLAG! An image of a beast....very subtle...very clever....

Here is proof that the False Prophet will lead the world into voluntary submission (worship) of the coming Global Government (New World Order). We see this in the type of "The Herald" which means "preacher".

Dan 3:4 Then the herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages,
Dan 3:5 that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of music, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up;

There it is....the message of the False Prophet is clear- cooperate with (worship) the United Nations (Bablyon-all nations)-New World Order-Globalistic Government of MAN=the image was of a MAN= the number 666 is that of a MAN.
Scriptural proof:

Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.

What I'm about to prove to you is that the 2 horns of the False Prophet Beast represent 2 distinct power divisions within what is deceptively considered by most to be authentic Christianity. Remember, Jesus warns us of DEEP DECEPTION that will fool even the ELECT if that were possible...Thank God it's not! But it does demonstrate the intensity of this deception.

So we are looking for "ministers" of Christ who are telling their congregations to accept and establish a One World Global Government AND Religion AND Economy to achieve Peace and Security-Unifying the Earth in Love and Harmony. (Dragon Speech)

In the next post we will look at the types found in 1 Kings 18-Jezebel (Harlot) and Ahab (Beast) the 10 apostate tribes of Israel (10 Horns-10 toes) as well as the prophets of the Asherah ( Goddess worship ) and the prophets of Baal (false son of god worship) which are types of the 2 horns of the False Prophet ( Those that eat at Jezebel's table).

Feel free to comment......

Blessings in Christ,

Brother Jon
Marta Farta Returns!
Good stuff!

The false prophet: MUHAMMAD

Image of the beast: BLACK STONE (to wash away their sins)

First there is the TRINITY....GODHEAD mentioned THREE TIMES in THE BOOK:

GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPRIRIT........

then....

Lucifer.....oh how you have fallen and have glorified yourself to be LIKE GOD and to overtake his throne. Lucifer who was the most beautiful angel has fallen and how he wants to be worshipped like GOD.

unfortunately......

MILLIONS DO WORSHIP HIM....(The Mark....signs of prostration on their foreheads - worship 5 times a day)

PEOPLE ARE EASILY DECEIVED, MISLED BY THE BEAST:

The TRI-UNE / ANTI-TRINITY:

ALLAH (SATAN)
MUHAMMAD (FALSE PROPHET)
IMAM AL MAHDI (ANTI-CHRIST) or Islamic Savior

What is the one religion to make it their main premise and core belief system in the SHAHADAH that

ONE: GOD HAS NO SON......NO PARTNERS.......whispered in their ears at birth....

Dried figs....dried fruit....

TWO: DO NOT TAKE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS AS YOUR FRIENDS......

THREE: BEHEADING CHRISTIANS AND JEWS>>>>>>ALL UNBELIEVERS>>>>KAFIRS!

Shame...ISLAM...DENY DENY DENY.

How they do ERR not knowing the scriptures.
togarma
I beleive, the name of the False Prophet is: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


I read this link every morning - and my beleives in him being the False Prophet grows every day.
dennis mann
the Bride is the true church of Christ..............chaste, virgin, waiting for the Marriage and the True BrideGroom, no sin, no infidelity, no other gods, no idolatry, FAITHFUL, FAITH-FILLED

the Whore is the false church...........adultery with others.

also, the Whore is the world-wide system of opposition to God.

JJJJJJJJJJJJ

the wicked Jews were exiled to PHYSICAL Babylon. about 500 BC

the un-believers, non-christians (TODAY) are exiled to SPIRITUAL BABYLON. (confusion, they're walking in darkness, no Light of understanding the Gospel, un-repentance, no discipline, outlaws, rebellious, foolish, wicked, on satan's side, )
BrotherJon
QUOTE(togarma @ Oct 9 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]123736[/snapback]

I beleive, the name of the False Prophet is: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


I read this link every morning - and my beleives in him being the False Prophet grows every day.


Remember...the biblical description of the False Prophet is that it has 2 horns like a LAMB....Ahmadinejad doesn't fit that image nor does Islam....it must LOOK like its Christian to be deceptive. How is Ahmadinejad deceptive....no...he's rather obvious....the Lord said even the very elect would be deceived if it were possible. We must be more discerning than that. The False Prophet looks CHRISTIAN which I will prove with scriptures in future posts.

QUOTE(dennis mann @ Oct 9 2007, 05:06 AM) [snapback]123738[/snapback]

the Bride is the true church of Christ..............chaste, virgin, waiting for the Marriage and the True BrideGroom, no sin, no infidelity, no other gods, no idolatry, FAITHFUL, FAITH-FILLED

the Whore is the false church...........adultery with others.

also, the Whore is the world-wide system of opposition to God.

JJJJJJJJJJJJ

the wicked Jews were exiled to PHYSICAL Babylon. about 500 BC

the un-believers, non-christians (TODAY) are exiled to SPIRITUAL BABYLON. (confusion, they're walking in darkness, no Light of understanding the Gospel, un-repentance, no discipline, outlaws, rebellious, foolish, wicked, on satan's side, )


Dennis...the Jews that were exiled were not unbelievers....neither are the "Christians" that are in Babylon...they are just disobedient to God's Word. This is why we must Come Out of Her- I came out of Babylon 8 years ago...as a believing Christian......It's the false "church" system and structure that is pastor dominated-denominational- 501c3 tax exempt harlotry. Jesus is calling us into the wilderness where He is.

Heb 13:13 Let us therefore go forth unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
crownsevenalphabet
SO the interesting bit, the real test, is if the one after the Glory
of the Olive is an Italian called Peter, THEN you KNOW Armageddon is
on its way. The Third Secret of Fatima also predicts the destruction
of the catholic church.

The third secret of fatima was already revealed - it was the
assassination attempt upon PJII.

Just a randon guess as to Glory of the Olive, but lets not rule out a
pope from the USA - the great US seal and the Presidential seal show
an eagle holding an olive branch with 13 olives and 13 leaves.(The
eagle also hold arrows in its other talon).

could this next pope be the start of the anti-christ?
Glory of the Olive
all the Popes throughout history have numbered their names, as most
Monarchs do.

If we add all the numbers of all the Popes' names in the time period
specified in Revelation 17, do you know what number Pope John Paul II
equals? We are told to, "count the number of the beast" (Revelation
13: 18), and counting up to and including Pope John Paul II, we
arrive at the number 665! This means that the next Pope, having a
name not previously used, will have, "the number of his name"
equaling 666.

Aaron Sen.

http://www.666beast.net/

The other thing about this prophesy that fascinates me is that it is
almost over. There are only two more mottos on the list. The next
pope is de gloria olivæ ("from the glory of the olive"). You can view
the odds on who this might be. Symbolically, the olive could be a
reference to any (or none) of the following:

the Jewish race (for which the olive branch is an ancient symbol)
a)Jesus' prophecy on the Mount of Olives
b)Peace-making
c)Dark skin
d)Italy, Greece and/or Spain

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BeastNumber.html - 35k
http://www.stetson.edu/~efriedma/numbers.html
GET READY JUMP....`OK`....ARE YOU OUT OF THE BOX ?

YES THE 666 CAN BE STUDIED AT MATHWORLD. . .
interesting in the world of math the ` 666 ` is the largest rep-
digit t r i a n g u l a r n u m b e r.
So why not really read how this largest rep-digit
triangular number relates to the world around us, in other
specific math formula evalutions ?
I discovered those 666 digits are included in many things
within our planet, I never thought about, before reading
the Mathworld information on 666.
666 is the largest rep-digit triangular number.
Beast Number -- From MathWorld
666 is the occult "number of the beast," also called the "sign of the
devil" (Wang 1994), associated in the Bible with the Antichrist. It
has figured in many numerological studies. It is mentioned in
Revelation 13:18: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding
count the number of the beast: for it i
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BeastNumber.html - 35k

Click here: Beast Number -- From MathWorld

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/BeastNumber.html
666 is the occult "number of the beast," also called the "sign of the
devil" (Wang 1994), associated in the Bible with the Antichrist. It
has figured in many numerological studies. It is mentioned in
Revelation 13:18: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding
count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his
number is 666." The origin of this number is not entirely clear,
although it may be as simple as the number containing the
concatenation of one symbol of each type (excluding ) in Roman
numerals: (Wells 1986).

Roman numerals: (Wells 1986).



SO WE HAVE FROM THE ROMAN NUMERALS OF 666, A SET
OF HEBREW ALPHABET KEYCODES TO EVALUATE THE 666 . . .
D http://www.inner.org/hebleter/dalet.htm

C http://www.inner.org/hebleter/gimmel.htm

L http://www.inner.org/hebleter/lamed.htm

X http://www.inner.org/hebleter/tzadik.htm

V http://www.inner.org/hebleter/vav.htm

I http://www.inner.org/hebleter/yud.htm


OR YOU MAY CONSIDER THE EVALUATION OF 666 . . .
READING LIKE THIS :

THE DALETH[DOOR] OPENS OUR GIMEL[SURVIVAL]
WITH LAMED[JUSTICE] TO USE THE TZADDI[FISH-HOOK]
TO UNDERSTAND VAU[RELIGION] IN THE YOD[HAND OF
GOD]...

D ================= in Hebrew is door [opens and closes]
C/G ======================in Hebrew is camel [survival lesson]
L =====================in Hebrew is ox-goad [scale of balance in justice]
X/Tz ======================in Hebrew is fish-hook[penetrating one world into
another world]
V/U ==========================in Hebrew is nail [religion and reflective self]
I =========================== in Hebrew is hand[ as in Hand of God {IHVH} ]
BrotherJon
QUOTE(Marta Farta Returns! @ Oct 8 2007, 09:02 PM) [snapback]123708[/snapback]

Good stuff!

The false prophet: MUHAMMAD




Thanks for the comment...YES...MUHAMMAD was/is A false prophet, no doubt. But to identify THE False Prophet of Rev.13 we must actually stick with the biblical description! It looks like a LAMB.....thats deceptive...this deception is for Christians, not Islam. Satan already HAS them, now he goes after the woman and her seed.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast down to the earth, he persecuted the woman that brought forth the man child.

I hope you keep following this study because it will prove the False Prophet is in the pulpits. Now THATS deceptive.
Mouser
7 heads, are the 7 nations that have ruled the world, Eygpt, Babylon, Assyria, Medes and Persians, Greece, Rome, Holy Roman Empire= neither Holy or Roman. The last head is wounded, but then healed, really it's a mirror image of the last. The harlot, rides on the beast, church and state working together= adultery with the kings of the earth. Mouser
yaqub
QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Oct 9 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]123771[/snapback]


Thanks for the comment...YES...MUHAMMAD was/is A false prophet, no doubt. But to identify THE False Prophet of Rev.13 we must actually stick with the biblical description! It looks like a LAMB.....thats deceptive...this deception is for Christians, not Islam. Satan already HAS them, now he goes after the woman and her seed.


How about somebody who can convincingly sway many Christians (not all) that he is their Lord? He is supposed to come in the clouds. He is supposed to perform miracles.

Yes, there is such a character in Islam. He is Isa, the Muslim version of Jesus. And he is expected to come in the clouds, and perform many miracles. Read more about him at: http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/isa.html

C
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QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Oct 9 2007, 09:53 AM) [snapback]123771[/snapback]


Thanks for the comment...YES...MUHAMMAD was/is A false prophet, no doubt. But to identify THE False Prophet of Rev.13 we must actually stick with the biblical description! It looks like a LAMB.....thats deceptive...this deception is for Christians, not Islam. Satan already HAS them, now he goes after the woman and her seed.


How about somebody who can convincingly sway many Christians (not all) that he is their Lord? He is supposed to come in the clouds. He is supposed to perform miracles.

Yes, there is such a character in Islam. He is Isa, the Muslim version of Jesus. And he is expected to come in the clouds, and perform many miracles. Read more about him at: http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/isa.html


If you go back and read the first post with care, you will see that BrotherJon have actually proven from Scripture that this is not a person but a group. So this is not talking about one person out of Islam. Go read it with care, he has spent a lot of time putting this together from Scripture. It is not his personal opinion that he is giving, but a totally correct interpretation from the Word.
C
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The beast images always represent governmental ruling powers- not charismatic guys that fool everyone with their intelligence and cunning words-but corporate entities.



Once people see this truth, they will get more understanding.

I also once believed that the AC was a man. I must admit I felt a bit cheated when I saw the truth. I was somehow looking forward to seeing this man with the hypnotic eyes and clever talk, so that I could point to him and tell all my unbelieving friends: "Look, there he is now , just as I told you" !!! biggrin.gif But at the time I was looking and seeing only in the letter.

C

togarma
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QUOTE(togarma @ Oct 9 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]123736[/snapback]

I beleive, the name of the False Prophet is: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


I read this link every morning - and my beleives in him being the False Prophet grows every day.


Remember...the biblical description of the False Prophet is that it has 2 horns like a LAMB....Ahmadinejad doesn't fit that image nor does Islam....it must LOOK like its Christian to be deceptive. How is Ahmadinejad deceptive....no...he's rather obvious....the Lord said even the very elect would be deceived if it were possible. We must be more discerning than that. The False Prophet looks CHRISTIAN which I will prove with scriptures in future posts.



2 horns represents two weapons represents two super-powers.

It just so happends that Russia have allied with Iran, and China has also allied with Iran.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the President of Iran.


He looks innocent, like a lamb - but he speaks like a dragon, and he has Russia and China to watch his back.


Take a look at www.president.ir - it is Ahmadinejads official presidental homepage.


BrotherJon
[quote name='togarma' date='Oct 10 2007, 07:49 PM' post='123895']
[quote name='BrotherJon' post='123764' date='Oct 9 2007, 09:08 AM']
[quote name='togarma' post='123736' date='Oct 9 2007, 04:31 AM']
I beleive, the name of the False Prophet is: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


2 horns represents two weapons represents two super-powers.

It just so happends that Russia have allied with Iran, and China has also allied with Iran.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the President of Iran.


He looks innocent, like a lamb - but he speaks like a dragon, and he has Russia and China to watch his back.


Take a look at www.president.ir - it is Ahmadinejads official presidental homepage.
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How in the world does Ahmadinejad look like a lamb? He has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map!! LOL! As I posted earlier, the False prophet is NOT a single man....until you admit that JUST LIKE the Whore isn't a single woman but a GROUP....neither is the False Prophet a single man but a GROUP of religious rulers...the Catholic and Protestant apostate leadership which I will prove beyond doubt in future posts.
yaqub
QUOTE(C @ Oct 10 2007, 02:18 PM) [snapback]123875[/snapback]

If you go back and read the first post with care, you will see that BrotherJon have actually proven from Scripture that this is not a person but a group. So this is not talking about one person out of Islam. Go read it with care, he has spent a lot of time putting this together from Scripture. It is not his personal opinion that he is giving, but a totally correct interpretation from the Word.


Er, no. I fail to see it. He went from description of False Prophet (emphasizing LAMB), with a long list of interpretations of those verses (not scripture itself), then to the Whore of Babylon, then concludes that :

QUOTE

It's obvious that the BEAST isn't a "man" as a singular person.


Another assertion:

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Just as the Harlot is a group, so is the Beast a corporate entity.


yet there is no logical progression from one to the other.
BrotherJon
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QUOTE(C @ Oct 10 2007, 02:18 PM) [snapback]123875[/snapback]

If you go back and read the first post with care, you will see that BrotherJon have actually proven from Scripture that this is not a person but a group. So this is not talking about one person out of Islam. Go read it with care, he has spent a lot of time putting this together from Scripture. It is not his personal opinion that he is giving, but a totally correct interpretation from the Word.


Er, no. I fail to see it. He went from description of False Prophet (emphasizing LAMB), with a long list of interpretations of those verses (not scripture itself), then to the Whore of Babylon, then concludes that :

QUOTE

It's obvious that the BEAST isn't a "man" as a singular person.


Another assertion:

QUOTE

Just as the Harlot is a group, so is the Beast a corporate entity.


yet there is no logical progression from one to the other.



Er, I'm not surprised you fail to see it. Read it again...I prove the Whore is not A woman and using the scriptures I prove the Beast is not A man.....then I state that just as these two are corporate, so is the False Prophet. Rather logical progression to those who aren't conditioned with traditional teachings of man.

It's obvious that the BEAST isn't a "man" as a singular person.

Scriptural proof:

Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth: (this is NOT a man....it says so right here)
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; (again...how can this be a "man" when it says 7 kings...giving us the interpretation of the letter plainly) the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.
Mouser
Scriptural proof:

Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth: (this is NOT a man....it says so right here)
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; (again...how can this be a "man" when it says 7 kings...giving us the interpretation of the letter plainly) the five are fallen, the one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a little while.
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When John was writting, there had been five world powers that had great influence over Israel. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Meda Persia, and Greece. Rome (Pagan) was ruling, with Papal Rome to follow.

Rev. 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exercised all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

The last beast spoken of is a mirror image of the beast that was wounded. The wounded beast was Papal Rome, when Napoleon banished the Pope to an Island. In the last days the leader of the apostate church will rise in power and favor of men, declaring he's the only one capable of bringing peace to our troubled world.

Rev. 17:10 tells of the seven kings, five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eight, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. VS. 12 emphasizes the 10 kings which have recieved no kingdom as yet; (because they were future tense, in our time) but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. The beast that they will give their power to, is a re-made extension of the 7th head.

Dan. 2:36 This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king. Thou, O king, art a king of kings: ( King of Babylon) for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee (Meda Persia, the breast and arms of silver), and another third kingdom of brass (Greece), which shall bear rule over all the earth. And the fourth kingdom (Rome) shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in peices and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes (Papal Rome), part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed od men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The dream in Dan., tells us the last four beast, because the first two had already pasted before them, and were of no relevance to them. The greatest part of this dream is the 44-45th vs' Telling about the little stone cut out of the mountain (true religion taken out of the mountain of false religion, Rev. 18:4 Come out of her my people.) that will brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, and the silver, and the gold; and the interepretation thereof is sure. The thing that really upsets God, is people of God, mixing with politics and changing the truth, or using religion to lord over people. Look back over history, it's amazing so much is there to see. In Rev. 17: it clearly shows what the great whore was guilty of, committing fornication with the kings of the earth, she's drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: Who would you reckon that to be? Dark ages? She's riding on the back of the beast, church and state mixed, the beast referring to Civil government.

In Jesus' time on earth the very people he opposed were the Pharisees, and the Sadducees, because they were in bed so to speak with the Roman government. The very people that were to lead and teach God's people, were themselves in need of a teacher. For which they killed him, because they didn't want to lose their seat of authority.
togarma
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How in the world does Ahmadinejad look like a lamb? He has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map!! LOL! As I posted earlier, the False prophet is NOT a single man....until you admit that JUST LIKE the Whore isn't a single woman but a GROUP....neither is the False Prophet a single man but a GROUP of religious rulers...the Catholic and Protestant apostate leadership which I will prove beyond doubt in future posts.



1John.2

1. [18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2. [22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John.4

1. [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John.1

1. [7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



As i read in 1. John.2 he states that 1. There is many antichrists - and 2. there will come a singular Antichrist in the endtime. I agree with you brother Jon - but lets not close the book on the "Singular antichrist" that will come in the next couple of days/weeks/month.

There is many christians - but there is only one Christ.
There is many Lucifer worshippers - but there is only one Lucifer.
There is many Spiritual moved anti-christians - But there is only ohe Antichrist.

I beleive what the Bible tells - and I beleive you are missing out on something that the Bible teach is important - yes there is many deceivers out here in the world, and they are moved by THE spirit of Antichrist just as Christians are moved by THE spirit of God.

Please, let us not fight among eachother - but let the BIBLE teach us - and may the Spirit of the LORD guide us so that we have one spirit among us and one mind.
BrotherJon
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QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Oct 10 2007, 08:40 PM) [snapback]123899[/snapback]

How in the world does Ahmadinejad look like a lamb? He has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map!! LOL! As I posted earlier, the False prophet is NOT a single man....until you admit that JUST LIKE the Whore isn't a single woman but a GROUP....neither is the False Prophet a single man but a GROUP of religious rulers...the Catholic and Protestant apostate leadership which I will prove beyond doubt in future posts.



1John.2

1. [18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2. [22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John.4

1. [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John.1

1. [7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



As i read in 1. John.2 he states that 1. There is many antichrists - and 2. there will come a singular Antichrist in the endtime. I agree with you brother Jon - but lets not close the book on the "Singular antichrist" that will come in the next couple of days/weeks/month.

There is many christians - but there is only one Christ.
There is many Lucifer worshippers - but there is only one Lucifer.
There is many Spiritual moved anti-christians - But there is only ohe Antichrist.

I beleive what the Bible tells - and I beleive you are missing out on something that the Bible teach is important - yes there is many deceivers out here in the world, and they are moved by THE spirit of Antichrist just as Christians are moved by THE spirit of God.

Please, let us not fight among eachother - but let the BIBLE teach us - and may the Spirit of the LORD guide us so that we have one spirit among us and one mind.


We agree and I am not fighting anyone! I am however fighting spiritual forces of wickedness that have been lying to the people of God. The "singular" Antichrist is the SPIRIT from the abyss. See? Just as there are not multiple Jesus' but only ONE...which inhabits MANY Christians...so there are not multiple spirits of Antichrist...only ONE... which inhabits all who reject Christ, making many Antichrists.

Also- why did you change the scripture in 2 John? It doesn't say "an" Antichrist....but "THE" Antichrist. Did you do that? What version of scripture did you use? The numeric pattern proves it to be "THE".

Togarma- Please stay with this study as i have only gotten started and will add all the needed scriptural proofs that will help many to identify these characters and break through the false traditions of men.

God bless you......I'm not against you in anyway but we disagree on some of the understandings here...that's ok....we must abide in the unity of the Spirit as we learn from scripture.
togarma
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QUOTE(togarma @ Oct 11 2007, 07:18 AM) [snapback]123930[/snapback]

QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Oct 10 2007, 08:40 PM) [snapback]123899[/snapback]

How in the world does Ahmadinejad look like a lamb? He has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map!! LOL! As I posted earlier, the False prophet is NOT a single man....until you admit that JUST LIKE the Whore isn't a single woman but a GROUP....neither is the False Prophet a single man but a GROUP of religious rulers...the Catholic and Protestant apostate leadership which I will prove beyond doubt in future posts.



1John.2

1. [18] Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
2. [22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1John.4

1. [3] And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2John.1

1. [7] For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.



As i read in 1. John.2 he states that 1. There is many antichrists - and 2. there will come a singular Antichrist in the endtime. I agree with you brother Jon - but lets not close the book on the "Singular antichrist" that will come in the next couple of days/weeks/month.

There is many christians - but there is only one Christ.
There is many Lucifer worshippers - but there is only one Lucifer.
There is many Spiritual moved anti-christians - But there is only ohe Antichrist.

I beleive what the Bible tells - and I beleive you are missing out on something that the Bible teach is important - yes there is many deceivers out here in the world, and they are moved by THE spirit of Antichrist just as Christians are moved by THE spirit of God.

Please, let us not fight among eachother - but let the BIBLE teach us - and may the Spirit of the LORD guide us so that we have one spirit among us and one mind.


We agree and I am not fighting anyone! I am however fighting spiritual forces of wickedness that have been lying to the people of God. The "singular" Antichrist is the SPIRIT from the abyss. See? Just as there are not multiple Jesus' but only ONE...which inhabits MANY Christians...so there are not multiple spirits of Antichrist...only ONE... which inhabits all who reject Christ, making many Antichrists.

Also- why did you change the scripture in 2 John? It doesn't say "an" Antichrist....but "THE" Antichrist. Did you do that? What version of scripture did you use? The numeric pattern proves it to be "THE".

Togarma- Please stay with this study as i have only gotten started and will add all the needed scriptural proofs that will help many to identify these characters and break through the false traditions of men.

God bless you......I'm not against you in anyway but we disagree on some of the understandings here...that's ok....we must abide in the unity of the Spirit as we learn from scripture.


I have not changed anything - it is what it litterally says in the King James Version

Because of Copyright Laws, every time some company want to publish a Bible, they have to change it 10 % - King James is an accurate Bible that has not been changed, it is a photo-copy-translation of the Holy scrolls, and back in those days they where very precisely accurate, because King James wanted it that way.

Bible-codes are only found in King James and Hebrew (as far as I know) and I am afraid to read a Bible that is not litterally accurate.

I fear God, so I am afraid to do something or say something he might not aprove.

That is why I have the signature the way I have - because I need knowledge from Above, because down here people have different versions of the word of God - and therefore we have these arguments.

For the Love of Money is the root of all Evil.
Let me re-mind you that the Bible was a best-seller back in the days, and many greedy publishers wanted in on the fun - so I beleive there is a lot of Unholy Bibles out there we should throw away because of the 10 % change caused by Copyright Law.

BrotherJon
The False Prophet "Comes in His name to deceive many".


1Cor. 10:11 Now these things happened unto them by way of example; and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages are come.


The bible says that the stories in the Old Testament were written for OUR admonition-those of us living in the latter days should take heed to ancient history because as you know, history repeats.

So far in this study, many have tried to make the False Prophet Islam/Islamic. This does NOT fit the Old Testament pattern which we MUST follow if we really love the truth. If you are determined to think of the False Prophet as a singular person from Islam, that's your prerogative, but you'll miss the truth and be subject to deception. Remember, this is all about deceiving the people of God and the world along with them....luring them into compliance with the coming Global Government (BEAST) many call the New World Order.

Deception is the name of the game.........

Matt. 24:3-5 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; (Christian/Anointed) and shall lead many astray.

They come IN HIS NAME, friends. Mahammoud didn't come in His Name...neither has Ahmadinejad. These ARE speaking false prophecies, YES! BUT they are not THE False Prophet Beast of Rev. 13 because they do not fit the O.T. pattern or the description Christ gives us in His Revelation.

The 2 Horns of the False Prophet that "look like a LAMB"


Where do we find a type of the end times in the O.T. that deals with False Prophets ruling the people of God ? A woman "riding the Beast"? The people of God being deceived? Read on.....

In 1 Kings we read the story of Elijah who confronted the Prophets of Baal AND the Prophets of the Asherah "those that eat at Jezebel's table" (False Prophets with 2 horns). These people were not Gentiles, Arabs or Australian- they were ISRAELITES! The called out people of GOD.

[If you aren't familiar with Baal and Asherah worship, you can't understand any of what I'm about to write. Do a Google search on "Baal" (the false son of god-Tammuz) then one on "Asherah" (goddess-fertility-mother worship).]
Scriptural Proof:

1Kings 18:19 Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the Asherah four hundred, that eat at Jezebel's table.

THERE IT IS.....The Harlot (Jezebel)- The Beast (Ahab and his 10 apostate tribes)- The False Prophet (those that eat at Jezebel's table- BAAL and ASHERAH- the 2 Horns)


HORN ONE


Baal worship represents those who are following a false son of God- Apostate Protestants who do not die to self- they think they can just "accept" Jesus but not carry their cross, not obey His commandments, not accept His Spirit, live for the world, love money, neglect the scriptures as nothing more than myth, accept homosexual "ministers", sell the Word of God making His house a den of thieves, and promoting a LOVE of Country- bowing to the political system-telling their people to unite for world peace- coming together with the Catholics- Unity at the expense of TRUTH. This is not true Christianity nor are they following the Real Jesus but a counterfeit! A Golden Calf that gives golden milk! (Prosperity doctrines) They take up arms and kill those of other nations in the Name of God! (USA worship) This is highly deceptive! These leaders will tell their people to support the United Nations (Beast).

Here are links that prove they are already doing this:

http://www.un.adventist.org/news/archive/2002/aug02.html

http://www.rense.com/general20/unholy.htm

http://www.cephasministry.com/n1083.html

http://gothinkblog.com/?p=291


There are so many stories exposing the Protestant Pastors acceptance of what's coming....do your own research.

HORN TWO


The Prophets of the Asherah represent the Catholic Church and it's worship of the Madonna and Child- Babylonian Fertility- Goddess based "Christianity". Claiming to follow the Jesus of the bible they do err MUCH. This "Jesus" isn't the truth but a counterfeit as well. In order to have him in you , you must physically "eat" his body through the real presence- his blood only opens the door to heaven but you must burn for awhile in purgatory to be cleansed of your sin- the worship of other gods whom they call, "saints"- the worship of Semiramis the Babylonian fertility "Mother of Heaven" whom they call, "Mary"- it's all wickedness and deception. Their leadership openly denies the scriptures and claims that evolution is the truth- they practice sexual perversions on children then PAY to shut people up- they sell the Word of God and baubles constantly in his name to gain monetary wealth- they instituted a priesthood that is totally unbiblical- they "re sacrifice" Christ which is blasphemy- and MAINLY they expose who they are by the Popes actually calling for a NEW WORLD ORDER under the United Nations! The False Prophet makes all to worship the BEAST!
Here are the undeniable links that prove this beyond argument:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/01/01/pope.ny.ap/

http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/bened...lls_for_nwo.htm

http://100777.com/node/652


This post is only for those of you who love the truth more than your religion-religious affiliation- traditional teachings of men. I have more to share but before I do - I ask you to do your OWN research. Pray for God to reveal these things to you.

Blessings to you in Jesus Name.

Bro. Jon
BrotherJon
Bible-codes are only found in King James and Hebrew (as far as I know) and I am afraid to read a Bible that is not litterally accurate.


I used to think that way but then did some research on the multiple inaccuracies in the KJV. Ivan Panin's work on Bible Numerics proves that the mathematical pattern in the scriptures verifies what text is accurate. No man could have produced this numeric pattern- God did it. And 2 John 1:7 says, "The" not "An".

Here is the Greek word:

καί

Apparently a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; ergo="the".

Again, we disagree, but that's ok. When you look at ALL the types of Antichrist, it becomes clear that "He" isn't a "guy" but all who deny Christ and are filled with THE Anitchrist spirit.


On the one hand all are one in Christ because they have His Spirit (Gal.3:28)…[Y]e all are one [man] in Christ Jesus. (Rom.8:9)…[I]f any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. On the other hand, Solomon showed that the corporate body of the beast has one common, unregenerate spirit. (Eccl.3:18) I said in my heart, [It is] because of the sons of men…that they may see that they themselves are [but as] beasts… (19) yea they have all one breath (Hebrew: “spirit”).


May the Lord guide us by His Spirit into all truth.


C
Thank you, I have new insight now on the two horns......I am looking forward to the rest of your study Bro Jon.
I must confirm what you are saying about the Numeric New Testament. I bought one and its amazing. God did not leave us without a true copy of the Word. I think an important thing to remember is that we have entered the "end times" and God is going to open the Word in a wonderful way to those who are genuinely seeking. He has His reasons for waiting until now. So saints ! if you really want to know, then look for yourself and then make up your own mind ! Read up and Google Panin and see what it about.
Ask God about it and wait.
love C
BrotherJon
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Thank you, I have new insight now on the two horns......
love C


What I find fascinating is God's ability to use one image (2 horns of the False Prophet) that appears multiple times in the scriptures (history).

When Ahab and Jezebel were leaders of Israel- the 2 horns appeared as the Prophets of Baal and Asherah.

When Jesus was on earth the 2 horns appeared as the leadership of Judaism: the Pharisees AND the Sadducees.

In our day, in the leadership of Christianity the 2 horns appear as the Catholic AND Protestant apostate leaders.


The Harlot riding a Beast to kill the man of God repeats many times...

Jezebel "Rode" Ahab to kill Naboth and take his vineyard.

Herodias "Rode" Herod to kill John the Baptist.

The Jews "Rode" the Roman Beast to kill Jesus and the disciples.

In our day- The United Religions will pass international laws that will empower the United Nations Beast to kill all Christ professing and system rejecting believers.


History repeats- History IS Prophecy-a more sure word of prophecy
.


Those who study the end times should study the Old Testament to see the patterns of history that CANNOT be broken.


C
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Jezebel "Rode" Ahab to kill Naboth and take his vineyard.


Mat 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that was a householder, who went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard.

The harlot will try again to steal the vineyard.

C
togarma
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May the Lord guide us by His Spirit into all truth.





Hmm, Bible Codes in one version, Number Pattern in another version...

Brother Jon, what is going on? How is it possible that the King James Bible gives us Bible Codes, and your Bible give us accurate number patterns?

The only significant difference is that my Bible is in the Old English language, while yours is in the American language.

Mabe God show us the same things in different ways?

BrotherJon
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QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Oct 11 2007, 09:12 AM) [snapback]123950[/snapback]


May the Lord guide us by His Spirit into all truth.





Hmm, Bible Codes in one version, Number Pattern in another version...

Brother Jon, what is going on? How is it possible that the King James Bible gives us Bible Codes, and your Bible give us accurate number patterns?

The only significant difference is that my Bible is in the Old English language, while yours is in the American language.

Mabe God show us the same things in different ways?


I used to be KJV only....I did some research and saw many poor translator errors....but I still use King James and the New American Standard and the Numeric new testament.....I agree that God can use any of them to bring truth to a true disciple.

togarma
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QUOTE(togarma @ Oct 13 2007, 05:12 PM) [snapback]124176[/snapback]

QUOTE(BrotherJon @ Oct 11 2007, 09:12 AM) [snapback]123950[/snapback]


May the Lord guide us by His Spirit into all truth.





Hmm, Bible Codes in one version, Number Pattern in another version...

Brother Jon, what is going on? How is it possible that the King James Bible gives us Bible Codes, and your Bible give us accurate number patterns?

The only significant difference is that my Bible is in the Old English language, while yours is in the American language.

Mabe God show us the same things in different ways?


I used to be KJV only....I did some research and saw many poor translator errors....but I still use King James and the New American Standard and the Numeric new testament.....I agree that God can use any of them to bring truth to a true disciple.


He is a pretty awesom God smile.gif
Intelligent too.

Father Onesimus
Has anyone considered the meaning of the Greek words translated as 'False Prophet' in KJV?

The words mean 'forth-teller of lies.' So the 'forth-teller of lies' IS the False Prophet.

If the Word of God--our Bible--is the TRUTH, then any speaking in disagreement with God's Word is a lie.

The Scriptures tell us that the "old man is dead" buried with Christ in Baptism, and that we are 'raised to newness of life'! The Scriptures tell us that we are truly 'dead to sin, but alive to righteousness.' The Scriptures say satan is a defeated foe, and that "ALL POWER" in heaven and in earth belong to Jesus Christ!

Yet many Christians--with their mouths--will say stupid things like: "Well, the 'old man' is coming up out of the grave to fight me lately," or they will glibly talk about how 'the devil' has power to do this or that, or they will talk about how WEAK THEY ARE, and how they fall into sin all the time........ THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS!

When we speak in such ways, we are 'lying.' We ourselves become that 'Forth-teller of lies!' When we disagree with God, WE are the False Prophet. If you can rid yourself of the False Prophet who too often lives RIGHT IN YOUR OWN MOUTH, you need have no fear of some false prophet "out there" somewhere......
Shekel
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Has anyone considered the meaning of the Greek words translated as 'False Prophet' in KJV?

The words mean 'forth-teller of lies.' So the 'forth-teller of lies' IS the False Prophet.

If the Word of God--our Bible--is the TRUTH, then any speaking in disagreement with God's Word is a lie.

The Scriptures tell us that the "old man is dead" buried with Christ in Baptism, and that we are 'raised to newness of life'! The Scriptures tell us that we are truly 'dead to sin, but alive to righteousness.' The Scriptures say satan is a defeated foe, and that "ALL POWER" in heaven and in earth belong to Jesus Christ!

Yet many Christians--with their mouths--will say stupid things like: "Well, the 'old man' is coming up out of the grave to fight me lately," or they will glibly talk about how 'the devil' has power to do this or that, or they will talk about how WEAK THEY ARE, and how they fall into sin all the time........ THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT GOD'S WORD SAYS!

When we speak in such ways, we are 'lying.' We ourselves become that 'Forth-teller of lies!' When we disagree with God, WE are the False Prophet. If you can rid yourself of the False Prophet who too often lives RIGHT IN YOUR OWN MOUTH, you need have no fear of some false prophet "out there" somewhere......


Yes, there is a fugurative sense for 'false prophet', however, there is a literal sense too, just as there is a literal devil who is not merely a symbol of evil, although he can be.
togarma
QUOTE(Father Onesimus @ Oct 14 2007, 04:58 AM) [snapback]124198[/snapback]

When we speak in such ways, we are 'lying.' We ourselves become that 'Forth-teller of lies!' When we disagree with God, WE are the False Prophet. If you can rid yourself of the False Prophet who too often lives RIGHT IN YOUR OWN MOUTH, you need have no fear of some false prophet "out there" somewhere......



I am sick and tired of listening to this kind of stupid teaching.

Do as I do - Follow the TEN commandments - not just "try" - Just DO it!
It is NOT hard - It is just something we HAVE to do - so DO IT!!!

The word of GOD is like a knife - it cuts trugh carrot, and the carrot splits into two seperate sides of the knife - so will mankind be - splitted into two seperate sides for eternity.

Father Onesimus
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QUOTE(Father Onesimus @ Oct 14 2007, 04:58 AM) [snapback]124198[/snapback]

When we speak in such ways, we are 'lying.' We ourselves become that 'Forth-teller of lies!' When we disagree with God, WE are the False Prophet. If you can rid yourself of the False Prophet who too often lives RIGHT IN YOUR OWN MOUTH, you need have no fear of some false prophet "out there" somewhere......



I am sick and tired of listening to this kind of stupid teaching.

Do as I do - Follow the TEN commandments - not just "try" - Just DO it!
It is NOT hard - It is just something we HAVE to do - so DO IT!!!

The word of GOD is like a knife - it cuts trugh carrot, and the carrot splits into two seperate sides of the knife - so will mankind be - splitted into two seperate sides for eternity.


I'm pretty new here, Togarma, so I don't really know you. Is English a second language for you? You have altogether missed the meaning of what I said.

I do believe in following the 10 Commandments, but I never even mentioned them in my post at all. Where did you get the idea I was telling folks not to follow the 10 Commandments? So, we agree on that, but it wasn't what I was talking about.

I also consider the KJV the best English translation available, as it is the only one to hold faithfully to Textus Receptus. We agree on that too. But I didn't write about that in my post either..... I'm trying to figure out what made you angry enough to resond as you did, but I'm truly at a loss; for your response does not address what I said.

"What ails the Polyphemus?"
C
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Rev 13:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (obviously not literal)
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.

This is the foundational verse we will start with which gives us some very important characteristics of this "beast".

1. It comes out of the earth (not from God-not of the Spirit but of Flesh like Cain's offering which was of the Earth and unacceptable to God)

2. It has 2 horns (horns all through scripture represent "power or authority" and this beast has two distinct divisions of power)

3. like unto a lamb (A false prophet must be deceptive and look like the real thing-wolves in sheep's clothing-appearing as ministers of Jesus Christ-the LAMB)
Here's scriptural proof:

2Cor. 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel of light.
It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

4. Speaks as a dragon (forked tongue speech-lies-untruths-half-truths-false doctrines-Satan speaking through them to deceive)

5.Exercises the authority of the first beast (as I will prove later in this study, the first beast ratifies the authority of the False Prophet to have dominion over the people of the earth)

6.And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed. (the mission of the False prophet is to deceive the earth dwellers into compliance to the first Beast-as Jesus said plainly that "the very elect would be deceived IF it were possible".)

So is this False Prophet some clever man with gifted speech? It says, "He" as in a single male human doesn't it? Hasn't most if not all the prophecy teachers stated that this is a person? That's the LETTER, friends. Remember, this is a parable not to be read only in the natural but in the Spirit.

Brother Jon


Just to get us back on track. I think its important if anybody wants to add to this thread, that they actually read what it is about. BroJon is giving Scripture for everything that he teaches. If you bring an opinion that is based on anything BUT Scripture is stays an opinion, it is therefor not correct teaching.

I must admit that I personally find it fascinating how easy it is for people to just believe something without knowing what the Bible says about it. How is that possible that Christians do not or cannot consider the Word of God? . It is beyond me.

There is only ONE truth and it is the Bible. The rest are all opinions of men.
C
BrotherJon
Amen- Back on track-------He we go a bit further-----

Who's image are you being conformed to?


Rev 13:14-15 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


When you hear the true Word of God and accept it by faith, you become conformed to the image of Christ.
2Cor. 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

When you hear a false word and accept it, you become conformed to the image of the Beast.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

How do you know you are hearing the True Word of God and not deceptive words of the False Prophet?


This is a very important truth and could very well keep you from deception. We find the answer to this question in the story of Elijah and the challenge he made to the "false prophets of Baal and Asherah" in 1 Kings 18.

I'm sure you've read this story several times so I'll hit the main points for the sake of this study. Israel was apostate and serving false gods under Ahab and Jezebel who was called a prophetess. Here is his call to confront these false prophets, false gods and false worship:

1Ki 18:19 Now therefore send, and gather to me all Israel unto mount Carmel, and the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, which eat at Jezebel's table.
1Ki 18:21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
1Ki 18:23-24 Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken.


So we have two offerings of flesh/meat/beasts--this represents OUR fleshly life! Proof:

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

We still offer a burnt offering even in the New Covenant! Our carnal life MUST be offered to God in order to be a true disciple.

Mat 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.


Watch what happens....the false religion/prophets offering doesn't burn up...they even cut themselves and scream to their god but......the FLESH REMAINS! Have you ever watched Catholics do penance on their knees, place laws on their flesh, say repetitive prayers, some use metal devices to inflict pain.....but to no avail! They still have the sin nature. The FLESH REMAINS!

1Ki 18:28-29 And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.

Now look at what happens when Elijah, a true prophet of the true God offers his flesh.....

1Ki 18:36-38 And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

Our God is a consuming FIRE! If you honor His Word, He will consume your carnal man because we WERE crucified with Christ! The true disciples of Jesus are NO LONGER SINNERS contrary to what the false prophets of Catholicism and Apostate Protestantism preach. they teach that you'll always sin, be a slave to sin and just hope for forgiveness....that is a lie from hell. Jesus delivers us FROM the POWER of SIN that we should NO LONGER walk in it!

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


The image of the BEAST (flesh) is created in those who listen to the False Prophet! The true Word of God comes and KILLS the old man and we are then made free from it's power! Elijah served the true God....do you? Is your flesh being consumed? Are you walking in willful sin and claiming to know God?

The false doctrines are designed to allow your carnal man to continue living...Once saved always saved, sinners saved by grace, no one is perfect....these will lead you to allow sin in your life and you will justify your own wickedness contrary to scripture!
C
So Brother , it is moving into the rest of God , if we allow HIS fire to consume our flesh. We cannot crucify the flesh, but God HAS crucified us with Christ. Am I correct when I say that taking that fact by faith, brings the fire of God to our sacrifice? He consumes it, whereas if we try in out own power to kill the flesh (sacrifice it) it will come to nothing.

It all boils down to Christ in us the hope of glory. It is when Christ takes the place of the "old man" or flesh, that God will allow us to be conformed into His image.

I have seen this sacrifice in Scripture (about us being that sacrifice) but I have not seen this type and shadow in the Jezebel story. I will read the whole story again, to get the whole picture.

C
C
1Ki 18:21 And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word.
That is exactly what the church is doing! One foot in the world and one foot in the Kingdom.

I am reading 1 Kings now and it is FULL of types and shadows.

C
leia
Come on now gentleman and ladies, you will know him....you don't have to go into all this stuff! Gods side works and his side doesn't so it will be a someone (rather some group) that pretends in all their religious capacity to be just like God. Theywill have their own Jesus, they will have their own scripture, they will have their own metting places (undoubtable off limits to christians so we won't know most of what goes on).

Just find that group. Like as not it is not a person but an organization just as our church is a singular word but means plural organization.

leia
BrotherJon
QUOTE(leia @ Oct 16 2007, 07:45 AM) [snapback]124444[/snapback]

Come on now gentleman and ladies, you will know him....you don't have to go into all this stuff! Gods side works and his side doesn't so it will be a someone (rather some group) that pretends in all their religious capacity to be just like God. Theywill have their own Jesus, they will have their own scripture, they will have their own metting places (undoubtable off limits to christians so we won't know most of what goes on).

Just find that group. Like as not it is not a person but an organization just as our church is a singular word but means plural organization.

leia


That "group" has 2 horns. Ultimately it will be the United Religions under the United Nations. It will be evident that this false religion will not bring the crucified life as true Christianity does. I must kindly disagree with you, Leia. It is very important to seek these things out scripturally, not just opinion based reasonings. We are dealing with deep deception here....as Christ warned us. It does take some serious study and a humbling to what's written in scriptures.
C
Unfortunately Bishop Tutu is speaking from my home country South Africa. He is a prime example of an apostate "Christian" not knowing the gospel, but yet has won a Nobel peace prize. He has no clue about the real gospel, as you can see from his own mouth:

Publisher Comments
by The Most Reverend Desmond M. Tutu: " Our home is heaven where God is. On earth we learn how to discover home, and each faith leads its adherents homeward. We must learn here how to live together with those with whom we will spend eternity. How can we arrogantly claim that ours is the only way, and not learn to remove our shoes as we stand on what others consider to be holy ground, where they catch their glimpse of the Eternal, the Inscrutable, the Holy, the Compassionate, the Gracious One?
May the Initiative described in this book succeed for the sake of all believers."

Book Description
For more than 100 years, visionaries have been dreaming of a day when the world's religions could work together for peace. "That day is coming--soon!" writes William E. Swing. He and others in the United Religions Initiative (URI)have already held consultations with numerous religious and spiritual leaders during global summits, regional conferences, and interviews. The 1998 Summit drafte and endorsed a draft Charter, and the organization is planning to inaugurate the organization in the year 2000. Meanwhile, URI is reaching across the planet to gather insights and support from people, young and old, of every faith.

Why a United Religions now?

On the threshold of the first global civilization, we face crises in which people of all faiths play significant roles, for good or ill.

Nations have been working for peace through the UN for more than 50 years, but religions do not yet have daily, global forums for dialogue, conflict resolution, and cooperative action.

With the approaching millennium come rising expectations of a new spiritual paradigm, beyond the clash of beliefs, where believers respect the differences as well as the wisdom in other faiths.

Am emerging "global ethic," initiated at the 1993 Parliament of the World's Religions, invites the consensus of religious and spiritual traditions, but it also needs a permanent forum for its expression.

UNITED RELIGIONS INITIATIVE
BrotherJon
QUOTE(C @ Oct 19 2007, 09:46 AM) [snapback]124936[/snapback]

Unfortunately Bishop Tutu is speaking from my home country South Africa. He is a prime example of an apostate "Christian" not knowing the gospel, but yet has won a Nobel peace prize. He has no clue about the real gospel, as you can see from his own mouth:


Why a United Religions now?

On the threshold of the first global civilization, we face crises in which people of all faiths play significant roles, for good or ill.

Nations have been working for peace through the UN for more than 50 years, but religions do not yet have daily, global forums for dialogue, conflict resolution, and cooperative action.

With the approaching millennium come rising expectations of a new spiritual paradigm, beyond the clash of beliefs, where believers respect the differences as well as the wisdom in other faiths.

Am emerging "global ethic," initiated at the 1993 Parliament of the World's Religions, invites the consensus of religious and spiritual traditions, but it also needs a permanent forum for its expression.

UNITED RELIGIONS INITIATIVE

AWESOME POST!!!!! This is a prime example of the False Prophet and "his" message. PLEASE do a study on the URI if you truly want to be prepared for what's coming and be able to intelligently warn others. Thank you-C......great addition to this study.
Mouser
Man, I looked at that and it's some scary stuff. Everything and anything is acceptable, if you'll only join and accept their leadership.
BrotherJon
QUOTE(Mouser @ Oct 19 2007, 02:17 PM) [snapback]124976[/snapback]

Man, I looked at that and it's some scary stuff. Everything and anything is acceptable, if you'll only join and accept their leadership.


Yes, Mouser....what people fail to see is that the leadership of Catholicism openly call for this United Religion system...identifying them as part of the False Prophet...but amazingly so do MANY protestant "ministers" of whom we find Billy Graham, Rick Warren, Robert Schuller et all DOING THE SAME THING proving them to be a part of the False Prophet as well. These are the 2 horns that look like a lamb......

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=42412

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0102-03.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=51461
Mouser
The mother harlot and her daughters.
Mouser
I read the comments off one of them links you gave, and hears what they think, "And here, beloved Sons and Venerable Brethren, it is necessary once more to mention and censure the serious error into which some Catholics have unfortunately fallen. For they are of the opinion that men who live in errors, estranged from the TRUE FAITH and from CATHOLIC UNITY, can attain eternal life. This is in direct opposition to Catholic teaching. Also well-known is the Catholic dogma that NO ONE can be saved outside the Catholic Church. (Pope Pius IX, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, 1863)

BrotherJon
The coming persecution will originate from the False prophet.....just like the Catholic history of the Inquisition is a foretaste of what will happen to those who refuse to bow to the Image of the Beast. The Apostate Jews brought the persecution to the first century disciples through Rome, so shall this end times religious body bring persecution to the saints through the revived roman beast U.N.
C
A friend of mine phoned me today from Boston. She went to a meeting where Bishop Tutu from South Africa was speaking. She confirmed what we spoke about before, re the United Religions. That was what he was speaking about, saying that "Christianity is not the only way" She said when she got out, there were Christians outside, saying to her: Oh good, you got out of there! "
There were shouting and some were demonstrating. She said something about the meeting being about apartheid against the Palestinians from the side of Israel. The meeting was to promote "peace" amongst religions.

C
Marta Farta Returns!
BrotherJon,

With all due respect I have to differ with your opinion here on the FALSE Prophet...you said,

"Remember...the biblical description of the False Prophet is that it has 2 horns like a LAMB....Ahmadinejad doesn't fit that image nor does Islam....it must LOOK like its Christian to be deceptive."

The false prophet is supposed to come in the name of 'PEACE' and is a 'RELIGIOUS' or 'SPIRITUAL' leader..


Islam totally fits the description of the BEAST/ANTICHRIST SYSTEM!

I would LOVE to talk more with you about this BIG TIME!

Please!

How much of the Qu'ran and Hadith have you studied on? We have to look at ALL SIDES. I am very much interested in your studies 'YES' but GOD is showing me this and that is why I've been gone so long because I've been deeply engrossed in this study of Islam and it is (ANTI-CHRIST). The FINAL BEAST to behead all Christians and Jews....all NON-BELEIVERS..anyone that doesn't believe in Allah will be beheaded.

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BrotherJon
yes, Marta...we are in agreement on much. I see "Antichirst" as very broad.....including all false religion and humanistic government and philosophy. The False Prophet throughout the bible tells people to worship the BEAST or governmental leadership that is opposed to the true God. Islam does fit this quite well.....I still look at the 2 horns of the Prophet as like a Lamb leads me to look for deception in the Christian church..... We are in more agreement than you may think, sister.


God bless you,
Jon
C
Yes ,Marta, I must agree with Bro Jon. You are seeing it, but just make it still a bit bigger. You see, being the LAST time round, God will now use ALL the planet, and not just sections anymore , like He did before.

If you look in Biblical history you will see how God enlarges everything. Example: Jacob, becomes Israel. Then Israel is the name used for one nation, then finally Israel becomes the name God uses for all His people , including the Gentile believers.Rom 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel: That are OF Israel is the important word here.Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly See? Now Israel constists of ALL who are so in spirit.


Look at Jesus: first you have Him, now you have Him IN us : Now you have "Christ-in" people, the "Body of Christ" . Again, a huge group.

You have many antichrist individuals in the Bible , like Ahab, Nebuchadnezzar, Ceasar etc. , but now God is going to make it the "body of antichrist" ALL who do not believe that Christ "is cometh" in the flesh. (meaning not only that Christ came, but that He is still busy coming in you and I............in His BODY of believers: the body of Christ)

So if we look today, here is what we see: A Body of Christ (all true believers) standing against a Body of Antichrist (all outside the true believers) and with the Body of Antichrist, a body of "Christian- lookalikes" that promote a United Religion Wold. (See? they look like Christians (Bishop Tutu is such a good example of this) but they do not promote the gospel. Rev 13:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

See? The "look as a lamb" is the key here ! Who are the lambs in Scripture?

"spake as a dragon" would be these so called Christians, are speaking in agreement with that which satan has been pushing in this planet.
The small picture would be the "prophets of Baal" at the table of Jezebel .
Those prophets were Israelites, who have gone over to Baal (BrotherJon, please correct me if I am wrong, but that is how I see it.)

C
BrotherJon
Yes, C....the False prophet can be understood as the mouth or head of the harlot. The URI will serve perfectly as this "mouth" that speaks blasphemies and causes many to fall away into the One World religion of "tolerance" for "peace and security"...actually building another "tower of Babel'. The Antichrist spirit from the abyss will inhabit all these people and organizations, driving them to hate the body of Christ and bring great persecution on those who refuse the Beast system and mark.

What many don't see is that Islam will ultimately join with a modified catholicism in the worship of Mary. Muslims already revere her as the "Blessed Virgin" and they believe Jesus to be a great prophet. Marian apparitions will continue to appear, with a message of unity, drawing all those who worship her"sacred heart" into compliance with the URI and "New World Order".

Hard to believe? Yes, until you look closely....

Both Islam and Catholicism have prayer beads, the women/nuns wear very similar clothing, both chant and have the very same sun god worship symbols in their mosgues and cathedrals. Both honor "Mary" as blessed and see Jesus as her subordinate son who does her bidding. It's a setup.

When God says "Come out of her MY people", he is not only calling us out of apostate Christianity but also our brothers and sisters (who have yet to be born from above) who are in other religions like Islam to come out as well.

Catholic means "Universal" as is a type of the One World Religion that was set up by Constantine to bring together the pagans and Christians for political unity. History repeats.
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