I might be the last to learn this, but I didn't know Paula White was getting a divorce. Gosh what is going on with TBN What ever happen to VOWS??? To Have and to Hold from this day forward for richer for poorer in sickness and in health TILL DEATH DO US PART!! ( I could see it if one was getting beat or got another lover and the one was left devastated and the cheating was never going to end) BUT that's NOT the case and they are suppose to have the LOVE OF GOD in them. Seems most on TBN is getting a divorce. TBN is becoming more UNGODLY each day. If their not announcing a divorce they are preaching GOD WANT'S YOU TO LIVE RICH. Well that's NOT what Jesus taught. Jesus taught you will be hated for my names sake. Paul was tossed in Jail, some stoned, cast into the fire, Not follow me and I will make you rich....urggggg What happen to the SIMPLE TRUTH of the Gospel of Jesus? (Sorry just getting this of my chest)

OOPS I didnt know!. I have been having a hard time watching alot of the shows on TBN. I guess I am behind.
Kim

what will you gain if you buy the whole world but lose your soul?

Juanita Bynum is getting a divorce to. Her (SO Called) Bishop husband attacked her in a parking lot.
Satan sure is going after ministries full force. ........I pray Paula sees this for what it is, not just an attack on her but an attack on God. I Pray for them Both.

Be careful about judgements based on gossip, hearsay and half truths.

Love them. Pray for them.

It's NOT half truths and Judgment...I seen the Announcement for MYSELF (It's not gossip when it's announced publicly by them)

You know nothing about the truth of the situation. The truth behind the scenes that only God knows.

Others here should resist being drawn into this discussion.

I agree, as to WHY they got divorced all we can do is speculate. We should remember that all of us make mistakes and instead of judging them harshly, let's pray for them.

I'm divorced, I didn't want it but it happened. My ex-wife said she was going to visit her Mom in Wisconsin. I had no idea she was planning to stay. She filed for divorce and got it. It tore a huge hole in my soul because I was serious when I took the vows.

Since then I've had several "Christian" people judge me even thought they know nothing of the details. Most of this was before I got back into going to church and to tell you the truth, it left a bad taste in my mouth about "Christians" that took me several years to get over.

I had to reply to you because I was divorce also. It was terrible for everyone. The worst thing was when I tried to go back to the Church we all attended, I was not spoken to. The women would not look me in the eye and the men tried to look to much. NOt one person came up and hug me. Truly I felt like an outcast in my own Church. Not one person knew what had happen but yet I was look down on. After 14 years still very few will speak to me. I needed them more than ever but not one step up to even smile at me. I never went back to the church again.
After reading your reply I remembered the pain and how I needed a Christain friend.
Kim

Well, that is bad in a way, but in a way that's refreshing! Who can pretend he has never sinned? Who can judge others for making mistakes?

This will help her in a way and let her know that even her, as good a televangelist as she is, is not free from mistakes; that we are born again, yet still sinners and that we still need Jesus' help, not only at the time we get born again, but EVERY DAY!

And yes, this helps us as well, and comfort us that we cannot be perfect, no matter how hard we try. We will still sin. That's why it's so hard to judge others because we are not perfect.

Only the one who has never sinned can judge, and that is Jesus Christ...

Sorry to hear how they treated you Kim...That's WHAT Gets me if someone says "Meaning the church that did you wrong" say they are a christian then they should be a christian (By showing you love at the time you needed it). mikki has missed what I was trying to say by nit picking. Im NOT just talking about their Divorce...Judging ect...My point is this... People who are on TV are being judged on how they live a Christian life, And they should be..They are preaching how everyone should live their lives and this is setting an example...When God places us into a ministry people are judging whether we want them to or not....I know this because My husband IS a pastor and I am looked at much more than any other member of my church AND I should be because we are in a leadership position....And this is NOT to say we shouldn't forgive if they fall short and sin....Right now we have a soon to be new member who at one time was an On fire minister as well as singer who traveled with his family to minister....Well satan set a trap and he left his wife for a Sunday school teacher in a church he went to sing in....After he left his wife... He went through Hell and back lost everything he had was put into a hospital for just about losing his mind Not to mention this Other women is in prison for trying to kill him....God did a Miracle just last night in our church for this family he had been living with this women for the last 2 years. He came up and cried out to God for forgiveness his 22y/old twin daughters as well as his x-wife (Members of our church) who all hadn't seen him for some time came up and prayed with him (I cried as they all cried) God blessed them so good. I thank God healing has started for this family...Before the church service was over He was up front with his 2 twin daughters singing the 3 of them for the first time in 2 years.....He asked my husband and I could he go up front and play and sing again we said YES {If he asked God to forgive him we are not their to condemn.}.. I will keep you up dated.. on how it turns out...Please you ALL be praying for them..They will need it.

That is so wonderful. It sounds like you have a great Church.
I know what you meant by your post. I too have wondered alot about some of the people on TBN live when the cameras are not on over the past year.
I am really feeling that God is showing us the wheat and the tares alot more now days.
As for me, I realized who my true friends turn out to be. I know I will never walk away from some one who is going through such a horrible thing as divorce.
kim

Some people can't wait to expose the sins of others.

paul said ...........ex-communicate the man who HAD HIS DAD'S WIFE.

so, church-discipline is biblical.

if my spouse is faithful, and i was un-faithful (i did adultry),.........she is innocent, and Jesus permits her to divorce and re-marry,...........she is innocent and a Saint,...........and i am a sinner.

should a church ex-communicate people who commit adultry?

in the OT, adultry was punished by death.

should Paula White tell us the circumstances of her divorce?,.............how do we know her divorce is Biblical (and she is innocent)?,.....if she doesn't explain it?

Jesus practiced what He preached...........He was transparent.............He didn't belong to any secret societies............He was innocent,,,,,,,,and He HAD THE APPEARANCE OF BEING INNOCENT.

if paula white is innocent, why should she be secret about it?...........her ministry (and her credibility) is at stake.

if our marriage love is permanent...........that is a little picture of God's Love for His Church.

if our marriage love dissolves before the world,...........that tells the whole world (and my children) that Christian Love DOES NOT LAST.

OSAS is not true............Christian Love changes the world that we live in (for the better)...........Christianity without Holiness doesn't change the world for the bettter..............if i remain saved while sinning, that contradicts Love and God.

OSAS is the Gospel without repentance and love.

Love changes (improves) the world.
OSAS leaves the world as it is.

Love builds orphanages and hospitals, and sends Bibles to the Bible-less.
OSAS does nothing,,,,, except sin and hurt people.

Dr. Chapman… on marriage and love


VIDEOS:

The 5 love languages
http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/...litary_5LL.html

Understanding and processing Anger
http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/...tary_Anger.html

5 signs of a Healthy Family
http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/...ary_Family.html

5 languages of Apology
http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/...ry_Apology.html

Making Marriage Work: It doesn't have to feel like a chore
http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/forcouples.html

Your emotional love language and the language of your spouse may be as different as Chinese from English. No matter how hard you try to express love in “English”, if your spouse understands only “Chinese”, you will never understand how to love each other.

Being sincere is not enough. We must be willing to learn our spouse’s primary love language if we are to be effective communicators of love.

My conclusion after thirty years of marriage counseling is that there are basically five emotional love languages—five ways that people speak and understand emotional love. However, there may be numerous dialects. The important thing is to speak the love language of your spouse.

Communicating love isn’t as easy as feeling “in love,” because it’s quite a different thing. Falling in love is not an act of the will or a conscious choice. It’s effortless. One who is “in love” is not genuinely interested in fostering the personal growth of the other person. If the euphoric pleasure of being “in love” never ended, we might never experience true love and meaningful communication.

Love is something you do for someone else, not something you do for yourself. Most of us do many things each day that do not come “naturally” for us. For some of us, that is getting out of bed in the morning. We go against our feelings and get out of bed because we believe there is something worthwhile to do that day. And normally, before the day is over, we feel good about having gotten up. Our actions preceded our emotions.

The same is true with love. We discover the primary love language of our spouse, and we choose to speak it whether or not it is natural for us. You might not love the language itself, but speaking it will clearly communicate love to your spouse.
Love is a choice. And either partner can start the process today.

An online quiz… tallying your primary love language
http://www.greaterquest.com/LoveLanguages.asp

The Five Love Languages
http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/learn.html

Words of Affirmation

Mark Twain once said “I can live for two months on a good compliment.” Verbal appreciation speaks powerfully to persons whose primary Love Language is “Words of Affirmation.” Simple statements, such as, “You look great in that suit,” or “You must be the best baker in the world! I love your oatmeal cookies,” are sometimes all a person needs to hear to feel loved.

Aside from verbal compliments, another way to communicate through “Words of Affirmation” is to offer encouragement. Here are some examples: reinforcing a difficult decision; calling attention to progress made on a current project; acknowledging a person’s unique perspective on an important topic. If a loved one listens for “Words of Affirmation,” offering encouragement will help him or her to overcome insecurities and develop greater confidence.



Quality Time

Quality time is more than mere proximity. It’s about focusing all your energy on your mate. A husband watching sports while talking to his wife is NOT quality time. Unless all of your attention is focused on your mate, even an intimate dinner for two can come and go without a minute of quality time being shared.

Quality conversation is very important in a healthy relationship. It involves sharing experiences, thoughts, feelings and desires in a friendly, uninterrupted context. A good mate will not only listen, but offer advice and respond to assure their mate they are truly listening. Many mates don’t expect you to solve their problems. They need a sympathetic listener.

An important aspect of quality conversation is self-revelation. In order for you to communicate with your mate, you must also be in tune with your inner emotions. It is only when you understand your emotions and inner feelings will you then be able to share quality conversation, and quality time with your mate.

Quality activities are a very important part of quality time. Many mates feel most loved when they spend physical time together, doing activities that they love to do. Spending time together will bring a couple closer, and, in the years to come, will fill up a memory bank that you can reminisce about in the future.

Whether it’s sitting on the couch and having a brief conversation or playing together in a tennis league, quality time is a love language that is shared by many. Setting aside focused time with your mate will ensure a happy marriage.


Receiving Gifts

Some mates respond well to visual symbols of love. If you speak this love language, you are more likely to treasure any gift as an expression of love and devotion. People who speak this love language often feel that a lack of gifts represents a lack of love from their mate. Luckily, this love language is one of the easiest to learn.

If you want to become an effective gift giver, many mates will have to learn to change their attitude about money. If you are naturally a spender, you will have no trouble buying gifts for your mate. However, a person who is used to investing and saving their money may have a tough time adjusting to the concept of spending money as an expression of love. These people must understand that you are investing the money not in gifts, but in deepening your relationship with your mate.

The gift of self is an important symbol of love. Sometimes all your mate desires is for someone to be there for them, going through the same trials and experiencing the same things. Your body can become a very powerful physical symbol of love.

These gifts need not to come every day, or even every week. They don’t even need to cost a lot of money. Free, frequent, expensive, or rare, if your mate relates to the language of receiving gifts, any visible sign of your love will leave them feeling happy and secure in your relationship.


Acts of Service

Sometimes simple chores around the house can be an undeniable expression of love. Even simple things like laundry and taking out the trash require some form of planning, time, effort, and energy. Just as Jesus demonstrated when he washed the feet of his disciples, doing humble chores can be a very powerful expression of love and devotion to your mate.

Very often, both pairs in a couple will speak to the Acts of Service Language. However, it is very important to understand what acts of service your mate most appreciates. Even though couples are helping each other around the house, couples will still fight because the are unknowingly communicating with each other in two different dialects. For example, a wife may spend her day washing the cars and walking to dog, but if her husband feels that laundry and dishes are a superior necessity, he may feel unloved, despite the fact that his wife did many other chores throughout the day. It is important to learn your mate’s dialect and work hard to understand what acts of service will show your love.

It is important to do these acts of service out of love and not obligation. A mate who does chores and helps out around the house out of guilt or fear will inevitably not be speaking a language of love, but a language of resentment. It’s important to perform these acts out of the kindness of your heart.

Demonstrating the acts of service can mean stepping out of the stereotypes. Acts of service require both mates to humble themselves into doing some chores and services that aren’t usually expected from their gender. However, these little sacrifices will mean the world to your mate, and will ensure a happy relationship.


Physical Touch

Many mates feel the most loved when they receive physical contact from their partner. For a mate who speaks this love language loudly, physical touch can make or break the relationship.

Sexual intercourse makes many mates feel secure and loved in a marriage. However, it is only one dialect of physical touch. Many parts of the body are extremely sensitive to stimulation. It is important to discover how your partner not only physically responds but also psychologically responds to these touches.

It is important to learn how your mate speaks the physical touch language. Some touches are irritating and uncomfortable for your mate. Take the time to learn the touches your mate likes. They can be big acts, such as back massages or lovemaking, or little acts such as touches on the cheek or a hand on the shoulder. It’s important to learn how your mate responds to touch. That is how you will make the most of this love language.

All marriages will experience crisis. In these cases, physical touch is very important. In a crisis situation, a hug can communicate an immense amount of love for that person. A person whose primary love language is physical touch would much rather have you hold them and be silent than offer any advice.

It is important to remember that this love language is different for everyone. What type of touch makes you feel secure is not necessarily what will make your partner happy. It is important to learn each other’s dialects. That way you can make the most of your hugging, kissing, and other physical contacts.

http://www.moody.edu/mp/promo/garychapman/...land/index.html

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divorce aside.
TBN has been a light in the dark world for years. BUt I will say that it is very hard to watch alot of what TBN plays now. Rarely do I see gospel preaching. IT is alot of things that blind a person, and lead them into things that are of this world. We should pray for TBN and what it represents. Cause as the worlds largest Christian network, they have a very large responsibility to show a Christ like example. Some of their shows are down right a waste of Christian television. Some does nothing for the kingdom but raise money for TBN, but other shows shine the light of Jesus into billions of Homes world wide.
Just Pray

I am like you on that. I feel it in my soul when I'm watching TBN.
WE would like to see some good shows that are directed for the Christain.
Kim

Dennis...

http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Davis...doctrine_10.htm

We leave our old nature behind...with our flesh dust body...the Spirit moves on when we die or Christ comes for us but until then we are constantly trying to pull it under subjection to the Spirit...and we'd better hurry up because the Lord is in a hurry.

So you are saying that we are trying to pull a dead and crucified old man under subjection to the Spirit?

Rom 6:5 For if we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection;
Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;
Rom 6:7 for he that hath died is justified from sin.


C

when i became a christian,

my spirit surrendered to the Holy Spirit,
but, my fleshly, dusty body remained the same........Adamic and under the curse,
my body will die (or be Raptured),
my body will be changed to a perfect body in the First resurrection,

until i die (or until i'm raptured),
my spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak,
and my spirit struggles against the flesh.....(the flesh is my carnal , sinful desires),

when i'm resurrected, and i see Jesus face-to-face,......i shall be like Him!.........my body and spirit will be sinless and perfectly LOVING! (WOW!)....LIKE HIM!.....until then, i struggle against sinful desires.

before i became a believer, i was spiritually dead (spiritually allied with satan),

after i'm a believer, my spirit is a new creation, a new birth, a new Dennis, a dennis who wants Christ, and rejects satan,.........yet, there is the possibility that i might return to satan.

1 Cor 9;27

my spirit is my free will mind, thoughts, decisions, choices, personality, charisma (if any), emotions, beliefs, values, lifestyles,

my spirit lives on, whether in the body or outside my body.

my spirit is an everlasting spirit,........it will spend the everlasting future WITH JESUS , OR WITH SATAN,......whichever i (my spirit) choose.


my brain is not my mind..........my brain is simply a "computer", which my mind runs.............when i die, my brain dies, ........but my spirit is still conscious WITH JESUS OR SATAN, whichever i chose.



i chose Christ
but
Christ chose me.
how can both be true?

Christ offered to me......Himself and salvation.
Christ chose all people , SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS (we must believe, confess, repent, and obey).
i was one of the Few who agreed to HIS conditions.

so, it's BOTH.........He chose me, and I chose Him.
a Relationship takes the cooperation of BOTH persons.

Sorry, I do not agree.
How can this person contradict Paul and still go as "Christian Doctrine" He contradicts God in Romans.



Paul KNEW that he was a new creation (his spirit was new and that spirit could not sin)
Paul also knew, that the sin he saw in himself was not done by the newborn spirit, but by the sin that dwells in the flesh. Rom 7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
So in fact we DO have a situation where we are now not the same as when we were still living in our sins.
Our reborn Christ within us, cannot sin, yet we are still pulled by the sin itself, that uses the "old man" to pull the strings of our bodies. Our bodies become the "puppet" that sin uses to to manifest through, thus bringing us into:Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
Rom 7:19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practice .

A push, pull situation starts in the Christian. Paul tells us that it causes a terrible situation in the believer: Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?

So Paul tells us the only way out: Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord

So it is not through sheer will power and continues saying "I am sorry God, I will do better next time"

The way out of our sin is something that Jesus PROVIDED at the cross.

Paul already stated giving us the answer in Rom 6 :Rom 6:6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be done away, that so we should no longer be in bondage to sin;

So God, through Paul tells us that our problem has been dealt with, by God and not by our own works of mighty willpower. If we are IN CHRIST, our history is the same as Christ’s history, because we are the same: Christ.

Christ was crucified and so were we. Our old sinful nature was killed on the cross and has no power left.

We do not enter this truth, because we do not believe it. Why do we not believe it? Because we do not see it.
But, its the same as all the solutions and promises of the Bible. First faith, then see.

Joh 20:29 ......... blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

So first come to believe the Scriptures and KNOW that your old man is dead. Then see how the Holy Spirit will come and manifest your victory over sin . He will allow you to shed it daily and become like Christ more and more, until He finally breaks through in His glory in your mortal flesh.
So in the end we will not be able to say: Look Father I did it !
No, I would only say: Thank You Father, not I , no never anything that I did, but it was ALL grace.
Here is a more visual picture of what must happen:
Before salvation we have : sin………..then the old man tempted………..then the flesh making sin happen.

After salvation we still have sin exuding temptation but now something has changed:
Instead of tempting the old man, this old man is now dead (first by faith, before you will actually see this death. If we do not first believe this death is a reality, we NEVER get to see and walk the victory) but now CHRIST is there where the old man use to be.
SO sin is now tempting Christ in you. He cannot sin and thus will not allow the body to move in sin.
ALL through faith and grace, nothing by how strong your will is.

If sin still rules over us, we actually do not believe that we have been crucified with Christ. Even when we know this truth, God will allow us to fall back, if we forget that it is all done by grace and not by our own power, or when we forget that we "have been crucified " and "no longer live"



love C

Note: The "old man" or "flesh" cannot do ANYTHING good. Even the GOOD works of the flesh is unacceptable to God. Isa 64:6 ..........all our righteousnesses are as a polluted garment:
Notice, that would be our good works......are as polluted garments.

So , God has to do this (and has done it) through the cross of Jesus. We must believe it first to be able to move into this reality.
If you have a strong willpower and succeed to keep yourself from sin, but still "think about it" you are still sinning. God once said to me: Abstinence is not victory. Freedom is victory .

thanks, C

somehow, we have to reconcile what you said with the .......TESTING of our faith.

# Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was put to the test [while the testing of his faith was still in progress], had already brought Isaac for an offering; he who had gladly received and welcomed [God's] promises was ready to sacrifice his only son,
Hebrews 11:16-18 (in Context) Hebrews 11 (Whole Chapter)
# Hebrews 12:1
THEREFORE THEN, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses [who have borne testimony to the Truth], let us strip off and throw aside every encumbrance (unnecessary weight) and that sin which so readily (deftly and cleverly) clings to and entangles us, and let us run with patient endurance and steady and active persistence the appointed course of the race that is set before us,
Hebrews 12:1-3 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter)
# Hebrews 13:20
Now may the God of peace [Who is the Author and the Giver of peace], Who brought again from among the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, by the blood [that sealed, ratified] the everlasting agreement (covenant, testament),
Hebrews 13:19-21 (in Context) Hebrews 13 (Whole Chapter)
# James 1:12
Blessed (happy, to be envied) is the man who is patient under trial and stands up under temptation, for when he has stood the test and been approved, he will receive [the victor's] crown of life which God has promised to those who love Him.
James 1:11-13 (in Context) James 1 (Whole Chapter)
# James 5:3
Your gold and silver are completely rusted through, and their rust will be testimony against you and it will devour your flesh as if it were fire. You have heaped together treasure for the last days.
James 5:2-4 (in Context) James 5 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Peter 1:7
So that [the genuineness] of your faith may be tested, [your faith] which is infinitely more precious than the perishable gold which is tested and purified by fire. [This proving of your faith is intended] to redound to [your] praise and glory and honor when Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One) is revealed.
1 Peter 1:6-8 (in Context) 1 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)
# 1 Peter 4:12
Beloved, do not be amazed and bewildered at the fiery ordeal which is taking place to test your quality, as though something strange (unusual and alien to you and your position) were befalling you.
1 Peter 4:11-13 (in Context) 1 Peter 4 (Whole Chapter)



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Yes Dennis. When we are tested, we are tested in WHAT we believe.

So , when sin comes, we have a choice. We can believe that the old man is still alive and kicking
or

We can believe that the old man is dead and crucified.

THEN, when we have stood the test, we will see the manifestation of our faith :Victory.

That is why we are MORE than conquerors in Christ, because we do not get to fight the battle, we get to rest in God and His promise.

Amen Cornelius.

That was good said.

i'm thinking that the REST is a SPIRITUAL rest.........rest from sin, satan, shame, guilt, spiritual death, separation from Maker/Friend, etc

ISRAEL enjoyed a PHYSICAL SABBATH........rest from physical labor.

the Church enjoys a SPIRITUAL SABBATH.........rest from sin, death, shame, etc

NT believers are ZEALOUS to do good works.
they are WORKING out their salvation with fear and trembling.

Genesis 22;1-12
God tested Abe's faith...........Abe passed the test by OBEDIENCE.........Abe got up early and obeyed (diligently) God's voice.

Abe is our example/father-of-all-who-believe..............Abe was never accused of sin.......Sin was not a part of his story........Abe obeyed God's Voice...............Abe was justified by his faith cooperating with his works.

OBEDIENCE was a part of his story.

How did ISRAEL produce a Few OT Saints?...........the Jews who became Saints were the ones who believed AND OBEYED the WORKS OF THE LAW OF MOSES.

today, a person becomes (and remains) a NT Saint by Faith and (continuing, persevering) OBEDIENCE TO THE BIBLE.

faith includes repentance and works.

we work BECAUSE we believe.

we are saved by grace THRU FAITH.

When we can see that the true rest in God is resting from the "arm of the flesh" or "own own good and bad works" , then we are getting somewhere.
Resting in the real Sabbath today means exactly that, :to stop trying to do everything ourselves, when we have a promise that covers it anyway.

Christians who do not get to enter the rest are the "Yes but...." Christians, they always add their reasoning to the Word and thus cannot enter through faith, because faith does not have a "but".

Here it is: The rest is not for the "but" Christians, because they are in unbelief:Heb 3:18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient?
Heb 3:19 And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief. (but, but , yes, but.....)

love C

Agree C...Good word...especially since l read it after my post in Kjv code. But let me ask you this... Why does the the striving have to be of the flesh. You act like we're just suppose to whistle around. Why can't the striving to behave "for his names sake" be of the Spirit?

I like my black and white cat image..I love my cat...It's kind of slow..retarded...maybe lack of oxygen at birth? Weird cat.

C...after fasting for 5 days on water alone l had a vision during prayer time (early 90's) of being taken through an iron door into heaven. Everything that was bad couldn't come in. I knew it in the Spirit. I was amazed at how much of me was there.

I agree with what you are saying. Though you exacerbate the point and make it seem like we're whistling...We pick through peoples thoughts and put them together with what we think the Spirit is showing us according to the word. I have more to say but l'm tired or writing and thinking.

Miki I love that you Do fast not many do this age and time..I know what you go through I believe fasting is where you will see your breakthroughs.. I always ask someone who I know loves the lord and who fast to keep me in their prayers..So please remember me when you fast..and I also will you..God Bless you Miki...Benita

I am sorry if it seems like that is what I am saying Miki.
Its just that the Lord has been taking me through this for some time now. About a year ago , He took away a bondage in my life. Supernaturally. Then it returned a month later. God showed me what it is like, when HE does it. When He dealt with it, it went away......out of me, out of my thoughts, it "never was"
But when I do it, I use my willpower, my own strength and all I have in the flesh and the spirit, to fight. I will have some victory and then slip. Then God said: "Abstinence is not victory. Freedom is victory" and I understood.
He has been dealing in my life for about a year now in ONE revelation. (as you by now know: Christ in me the hope of glory) He showed me (and is still showing me) how the fact of me being crucified with Christ must become a reality (first in faith..........then and only then, will He take it through to manifestation)

God has been kind in giving me a friend who He is talking through a "mirror experience" Whatever she is going through, happens to me the same day. We are living in the same city and when I phone , she is going through the same lesson. So it is encouraging.

Its all about death to self. A dead man cannot fight, cannot sin, cannot do anything. God took out the old nature and replaced it with Christ. Christ in us is now in control (or should be, if we actually believe He is in us and if we believe that we are actually crucified and dead)

Even our best efforts are not acceptable to God. Flesh is flesh and cannot enter the Kingdom. The old man in us must not be restored as some are teaching, but the Bible teaches that God dealt a deathblow to the old man. I understood it, when I realized that when I am in Christ, I also share what happened to Christ: crucifixion.

So I guess, the thing to learn would be: when am I in the flesh and when am I responding to that still small voice of the Spirit within.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us C.

Benita,

The Lord hasn't called me to a complete fast for a long time due to health issues but l will remember you none the less. Thanks.

Hi everyone, I just had a chance to pop in today.
Haven't been around on the forum much.
Although it looks like it because I always forget to log off. LOL!

Anyway I just want to say hi and that I love you all.
Our love for Jesus and love for everyone make for a beautiful day.

I heard a beautiful quote the other day.
People who have a love for God, have a love for people.

I love you all and know that you love our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I ask you all to keep me in your prayers for I may be sent to China.
I want to do the will of our Father, there and everywhere.

I pray all is well with you.
love,
from your sister rosie who has missed this special place on the net.

CHINA! Keep us updated...We love you too!

Rosie... you are in my prayers! Be very safe!



Dani