Hey everyone..

i'm so sorry if this presses any buttons and i'm not sure if i'll get a strait answer but here we go.

There's just something not sitting right with me.

The fact that Jesus Christ can be the Son of God and God at the same time. I just can't understand that?

We were and always suppose to worship One (1) God. It just seems to me that worshipping Jesus (Yeshua) and God (Yahweh) is worshipping two different entities.

Even in Psalms it says that God will send his annointed one. But It doesn't actually say that God will come to earth in the form of a man.

I'm sorry but it's just giving me that feeling. You know the feeling when someone tells you somethings right but you know in your stomach that it's wrong..

Please Help me any way you can!!!

Thanks.

Whew ..... well let me see if I can take a stab at this... I am sure that their are many others that could explain this better than I.

1st I would like to take you to the very beginning...

Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth

The hebrew word that is used here in this passage is "elohiym" Although this word with its iym added to it makes the word a plural noun..... it is used with a singular verb or adjective. It is not an ordinary plural word, if that were the case a plural verb form would have been used. In other words it would be like me saying Valerie are going to the store. Valerie would not be going to the store Valerie is going to the store. Yet somehow God was trying to show us that He was plural yet "He" was singular.

It is evident by the use of "us" in this passage that there were more than just God the Father at the time of creation.

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

It is clear that Jesus was in the begining and that He was the creator...

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Hebrews 1
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Jesus makes is clear in Scripture that He and His Father are one

John 10:30
I and my Father are one

He makes claims after claims that He was "I AM" this is why the religous leaders accused Him of Blasphemy. Because Jesus was claiming to be the Eternal I AM. The very name that God had told Moses at the burning bush.

It was also evdient that the Spirit was there in the beginning at creation as well....

Genesis 1

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

and 1 John 5:7 says ....

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:and these three are ONE.

and finally...

Deuteronomy 6:4

4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

He is one God... known by many names... Jehovah... I AM... Adonai... Saviour...King of Kings... Jesus....Messiah.... Ancient of Days.


But He is ONE... God the Father God the Son and God the Holy Spirit

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming

Mabe It´s like "Spore"

God is on the outside of the Universe - and Jesus is God´s character inside the Universe.

And if we want to go to the next level - we´ll have to do what God´s character Jesus have told us to do, or else it is Game Over.

what do you think?

matt 3;17
4;3
8;29
14;33
16;16
17;5
26;63
27;54

mark 1;1
1.11
3.11
5.7
9.7
14.61-62

luke 1;32
1.35
3.22
4.41
9.35
22.70

john 1;34
1.49
3.16
3.18
5.25
9.35
10.36
19.7
20.31


john 14.6
10.9
14.6
6.35
11.25
14.6
11.25
11.26
4.25-26
8.58
17.5
14.9
10.30

matt 28.18
28.20

mark
1.1
1.11

john 3.16
3.18
20.31
1.34
1.49
matt 16.16
jiohn 11.27
matt14.33
luke 1.32
1.35

john 1.1
10.33
romans 9.5
col1.16
2.9
1 tim 1.17
heb1.8
1john5.20
jude25
isaiah 9.6
jeremiah 23.6
33.16
zech 12.8

john8.12
10.11
8.23
8.56
5.46
5.39
5.37
5.36
15.24
8.24
luke 10.23-24
matt12.42,41


thanks to HALLEY'S BIBLE HANDBOOK

in some places in scripture, it seems to say that the father, son, and holy spirit are 3 different "persons".

in other places, the bible seems to say that they are ONE.

He is one god, in 3 persons.............or something like that............they all have one purpose, plan, character, love, etc

i don't fully understand it, ..........but we MUST believe it, to our best ability.

When you worship Jesus Christ, you are worshipping God.

The Spirit that is in Jesus Christ is the same Spirit that is in the beginning:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Gen 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.


John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:6
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Exodus 3: 14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”


1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

The Lord was the only one that could give His life so that mankind could be redeemed. It could only be someone without sin or blemish, it could only be God.

When men fall down to worship angels or other men in the Bible, they are told to not do it:

Acts 10:25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”

Rev 22:8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For[d] I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.”

And Jesus told the devil: Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.’”

Jesus tells the devil that God is the only one that deserves worship and our service, but we see people worshiping Jesus and He does not tell them to stop:


Matthew 8:2
And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.”

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.”

Matthew 15:25
Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

Matthew 28:9
And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.

Luke 24:52
And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 9:38
Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him.

Jesus is certrainly worthy of ALL of our worship and praise. He is the Son of God and He is truly God.
And yet, we have to really keep 1 Tim 3:16 in mind, that "great is the mystery of Godliness".
Our finite minds can only comprehend a portion of who Christ is and how He and the Father are one.

I pray that this is helpful.
In Christ,
Chris

I understand that Yah is Yah and we should not try to question his mysteries.

but that's just not who i am unfortunatly.. sorry Yah!

I don't need to know all the details, Father, just the basics so i and the whole world can understand once and for all who we are and where we come from.

Please Yahweh, hear my prayer and reveal this mystery to us.

Now to those who replied.

I sure it's not a mystery to you now that most of the new testament was written 30 to 80 years after Jesus' death. And the Gospels according to matthew mark luke and John are most probable not the actualy apostels of Jesus Christ.

So this is my queary to you. Can you show me without using the New testament that Jesus Christ is actually God..

this would help me out.. thanks guys.. you're the best!!

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Christ.


(Prove yourself worthy Jason and look them up.)

Jesus fulfills all of these:

Genesis 3:15 Born of the seed of a woman
Genesis 12:2-3 Born of the seed of Abraham
Genesis 17:9 Born of the seed of Isaac
Numbers 24:17 Born of the seed of Jacob
Genesis 49:10 Descended from the tribe of Judah
Isaiah 9:7 Heir to the throne of David
Daniel 9:25 Time for Jesus' birth
Isaiah 7:14 Born of a virgin
Micah 5:2 Born in Bethlehem
Jeremiah 31:15 Slaughter of innocent children
Hosea 11:1 Flight to Egypt
Isaiah 40:3-5/Malachi 3:1 Preceded by a forerunner
Psalm 2:7 Declared the Son of God
Isaiah 9:1-2 Galilean ministry
Deuteronomy 18:15 The prophet to come
Isaiah 61:1-2 Came to heal the brokenhearted
Isaiah 53:3 Rejected by his own
Psalm 110:4 A priest after the order of Melchizedek
Zechariah 9:9 Triumphal entry
Psalm 41:9 Betrayed by a friend
Zechariah 11:12-13 Sold for thirty pieces of silver
Psalm 35:11 Accused by false witness
Isaiah 53:7 Silent to accusations
Isaiah 50:6 Spat upon and smitten
Psalm 35:19 Hated without reason
Isaiah 53:5 Vicarious sacrifice
Isaiah 53:12 Crucified with transgressors
Zechariah 12:10 Hands pierced
Psalm 22:7-8 Scorned and mocked
Psalm 69:21 Given vinegar and gall
Psalm 109:4 Prayer for enemies
Psalm 22:18 Soldiers gambled for his coat
Psalm 34:20 No bones broken
Zechariah 12:10 Side pierced
Isaiah 53:9 Buried with the rich
Psalm 16:10 and 49:15 Would rise from the dead
Psalm 68:18 Would ascend to God's right hand

No it can't be done Jason.
This is not something which can be proved. It is either something we believe by faith or we don't. If we don't then it is because we have a hard heart of unbelief of sin. Jesus was a great light that came into the world, but the world did not recognise him because the darkness was great and men loved darkness because their deeds were evil. This is condemnation that the light was rejected and the darkness embraced.

If we proved it to you then you would not believe by faith but by evidence. Salvation and the imputation of righteousness comes to us because we believed by faith not because we have been convinced by clever arguments of men or by physical evidence.

Thomas was like you except that he would not believe until he had actually touched Jesus and put his hand into the wound in his side. Christ upbraided him for his hardness of heart saying.

John 20:29 Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Do you want the greater blessing? Then believe without seeing.
People denigrate faith by saying it is blind faith. Well sorry but that is the definition of faith. Believing without seeing, believing without evidence. This is the teaching of Eternal life; that Jesus is the Son of God, the one God who made heaven and earth who came and dwelt with us in the flesh and who died on the cross and was resurrected again to incorruptible life who rose into heaven where he sits on the right hand of God to this day. If you do not know this to be true in the depth of your heart, and if the seeds of doubt lurk within you then you must go to God in earnest and fervent prayer to help you to get rid of your unbelief so that you may believe.

Only God can give you this we cannot. We can preach the words of truth but only God can give the increase.

John 20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

J.B.--- As Dani showed you in the numerous fulfilled prophecies and scriptures in the Old Testament (not the New Testament as you asked), these were all given by God as a "sign" pointing to His Son (the Messiah, Christ the "Anointed One") and His Redemptive Deed upon the Cross of Calvary that was destined to reconcile back to the Father those who believe in Him. Additionally, in the Old Testament the "Angel of Jeovah" or the "Helper of Jeovah" (the only Angel aloud worship, for he was Deity, the Son of God) was the "Pre-Incarnate Jesus" BEFORE He was made flesh to die for our sins as the Lamb of God Who takes away the sins of the world. So the Son of God (Christ Jesus) was actually already active in the affairs of the Israelites "before" His physical incarnation at Bethlehem and the launch of His earthly ministry onto Crucifixion, Death, Resurrection and Ascension back to the Throne of Father God.

Blessings...

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Hey Jason
It is not hard to understand if you put everything in it's proper perspective. God is Spirit and Christ is Gods Flesh. Sent to overcome the flesh and become the final sacrifice for sin. Showing that the Spirit of God can indeed overcome the flesh and His Spirit is available to all who ask Him in Spirit and truth.

I was in my room last night pondering about this and i decided to grab my notebook and write a little letter to God. I wrote asking the same question i asked you and then understanding came to me. I'm not sure if this is from God or just from my head but it just seemed to make sense to me..

In the beginning, God said... "Let us make him in OUR image". Now this usage of plural words means that there was more than just God alone at the beginning of the World. Someone mentioned that earlier in this thread. But then i got to thinking...

"How can we be made in the image of God?? God wouldn't have hands, feet, a head or a heart...?.. then it hit me..

The structure of God is just like the human Body..

The Feet: The base of the body, keeps us balanced and secured. This would be the Laws of God. The laws of the universe that are constant and forever.

The Hands: Our hands are used for work; they are just slaves to our mind. The work done by our hands is the physical manifestation of what our mind wants to produce. I think this would be God's servents.. the angels and servents of Heaven.

The Genetals: All people have the power of creation as do God.

The Heart: The heart is the center of our body.. the heart often is in conjunction with the soul.. or the Holy spirit. the Holy Spirit dwells within all of us at our core. It's the engine that keeps us going.

The Mouth: OUr mouth is very important because it helps us communicate through "Word". This would symbolize Jesus Christ who in the beginning was the Word. He represents our language and communication.

And finally the Mind: The mind would be the Father. God says he is the "I AM". Now this is a direct reference to "Self". Our self awareness and free will is what seperates us from the Animals. "I AM" represents the Father which represents our Self Awareness.

These Seven human body elements are symbols of the Monarchy of Heaven. Each Human is a symbol of God as a whole.

What do you think?

A really big Amen!

In Christ,
Chris

And God is to much for us to handle so he manifests himself in different ways so we can recieve him.

What are you doing for a job, Jason?

Let's say you are a truck driver, a parent, and a health nut. You are ALL THREE! When I talk to you, I talk to the parent of a [unique!] child, a truck driver, and a health nut.

That's the same with Jesus! Jesus is God made flesh; he is God in the flesh. When Jesus is not there (and he is right now ministering for us a our High priest according to the order of Melchisedech in Heaven), He sends us His Holy Spirit. While Jesus could only be at one time at a time, the Holy Spirit can be everywhere. Jesus is also sitting as God on the throne. They are 3, but the 3 are one.

I like this picture: when Jesse Duplantis went to Heaven, he saw Jesus ascend the steps to the throne where God was sitting, and you could see Jesus "come in and out of the light" that proceeds from the throne. That's why Jesus said "the Father and I are one". WHen Jesse asked the angel:"OK, I see now Jesus and God, but where is the Holy Spirit?", the angel replied: "He is on earth; the Holy Spirit is on earth!"

Hope this helps... The Holy Trinity is THE perfect example on how Perfect Harmony works...

God made man in the image of Christ. Then He made the Holy messengers (The Bride) in the Image of Christ. These are who God, the creator of all, was talking to. The only difference is the Spirit. Come out from under the vanity of Man and ask God for His Spirit, to replace yours. Those who ask receive and those who seek find.



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Just maybe there are 2 in the God head and not 1 or 3 as commonly taught by christians.

in the OT you will find 2

in the NT you will find 2

in the OT you can find the Jehovah talking to God.
in the NT you can find Jesus talking to the Father

answer these question by Solomon

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?

who hath gathered the wind in his fists?
who hath bound the waters in a garment?
who hath established all the ends of the earth?
what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Once again, the scriptures answer the question--three in one.

Matthew 3:16
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Mark 1:10
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

John 1:32
And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

In Christ,

Mike

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Mike

answer the Questions of Solomon.

what are the names?

what is the name of the who created?

what is the name of the Son who created ?

now I'm going to answer what you posted then I will ask questions for you directly

you wrote



lets read the following verse

Mt 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

my question to you is

is the spirit Jesus Father? according to verse 17 the spirit is talking calling Jesus his Son.




the next verse reads

Mk 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

same question

is the spirit Jesus Father


careful with you answer

you wrote


John bare record also that Jesus said

7 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

looking forward to reading your answers.

peace in Jesus mighty name

5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Val
Messiahiscomng

There are a couple of OT verses that clearly say that God is the Saviour, yet do not specifically say Jesus :

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring [them] near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? [who] hath told it from that time? [have] not I the LORD? and [there is] no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; [there is] none beside me.

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Isa 6:1 ¶ In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.


Isa 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.


Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory.


Isa 6:4 And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.


Isa 6:5 Then said I, Woe [is] me! for I am undone; because I [am] a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.


Isa 6:6 ¶ Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, [which] he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:


Isa 6:7 And he laid [it] upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.


Isa 6:8 ¶ Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here [am] I; send me.


THIS IS ONE THE BETTER GODHEAD PROPHECIES. Isaiah is seeing a vision of the throne room. They want to know who can QUALIFY to go and heal the nations which is preceded by a Seraphim having a live or hot coal in it's hand that took away Isaiah sin.

The distinction here is that even all the prophets were not qualified because they too were sinners. Who could come and defeat the sting of death when everyone has sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.

The Godhead is talking among themselves, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
and in verse 6:8 says HERE AM I....which is name of God, I AM used with the order reversed. The Verse shows that the LORD is talking to Himself. As Scriptures have indicated like the one listed in Isaiah 45:21 above, ONLY GOD is a SAVIOUR. Only God can forgive sins. Only God can do these things.

So, unlike the orthodox Jewish perspective that the Messiah will be a annointed one, but not God Himself, God tells us that only He can recieve and have an annointing of such caliber and standard.

Indeed, God is filled with all knowledge and is the only one who is capable of NOT sinning. That is what is evident throughout Scriptures. The fall of man assured us of this. The blood passed on by a human father would impute sin at birth, that is why it has to be born of the Holy Spirit so at birth this imputation of Adam's sin would not rest on the one who is born.

The most damaging sin that came upon man in the garden of eden, is the knowledge that Ye can be like gods.

In other words, instead of naturally accepting that God is God and there is no other, the human mind was opened up to all kinds of other possibilities because their eyes were opened; meaning satan and his angels from that point on, could influence man to think of other types of god's including self worship, satan worship, false god worship, no god worship etc.......

This was not to promote man, but rather to promote lucifer himself...it gave him the ear of men to search out other possibilities. To cause confusion. Even when reading the Holy Scriptures, this same confusion is present and people come away with the wrong idea and attributes of the True and Living God, because their mind is corrupt and they seek a God that suits their own definition of righteousness....

In other words, they make their own gods. That is why many Churches are apostate and why many Jews have trouble seeing Jesus as God. The lessons many of their shepards learned in Babylon exile have crept into their theology with added books and spiritual "knowledge".

Only the Scriptures themselves present God as He is. Other spiritual writings , may or may not, and ususally not, present God correctly. Thus, man is always making up his own personal JESUS.

Anyway, I find the Scripture above the most compelling arguement for God the Son who came to earth in human flesh. It shows the Triune aspect of God, as the Spirit pulls Isaiah into the vision and God the Father and God the Son are talking about who is able to accomplish this feat, or rather who will do this feat.

As we see, Jesus forgave sins and made no apologies for it. He was fully able and fully willing to do so. And He agreed with the statement that only God could forgive sins, although He did so in a parabolic fashion by saying what is more difficult, to forgive sins, or tell man to take up his pallet and walk....(a crippled man)

You will see lot's of OT prophecies saying The Lord our God or God is the Lord...etc....so with the fact that Jesus is the LORD even the OT prophecies are continually saying that the LORD and God are one in the same...there is abundant evidence of this.

You might also look at the symbolic representations of God: Bread of Life, Living Water, The Rock.

The Old Testament is filled with this same imagery: The Rock of Meribah that brought forth Living Water,
Manna from Heaven are particularly interesting. Although the children of Israel were without sustenance, food or water, God Himself is portraying Himself as this sustenance.

He is also manifested as a cloud by day and pillar of fire by night which are terms that Jesus used to describe Himself throughout the NT regarding His second coming.


Regarding your question of how could God be Triune in essense:

What is impossible for God. The best way to see this is to look at Creation. If God could make an entire Universe by speaking the Word, it is clear to see that God could manifest Himself however He wants because all things are subject to Him, including the laws that govern science, which means He is not restricted by scientific law.

To, become a God-man in the flesh, as Jesus did, is very simple really. The harder part to understand is that Jesus has always exsisted even before He was manifested in the flesh by His birth in Bethlehem.

We tend to forget that Jesus came to reconcile us with the Father. Jesus is part of the Godhead, but there are different rankings. God the Father has the greatest authority. Jesus is as His Son...same family and nature, yet of lesser authority. The Holy Spirit is also in the Godhead. The Holy Spirit just IS. There is a great mystery here. God will not forgive blasphemy towards the Holy Spirit.


Isa 6:3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, [is] the LORD of hosts: the whole earth [is] full of his glory.

I'll go out on a limb here and speculate about the next age. God the Father we know is three times holy. Jesus is twice holy....and the saints just holy (one time). So then God the Father will rule the universe. Jesus will rule over creation and still be a mediator between the saints and the Father. Jesus will be King over kings, and Lord over lords, and the Father will rule over all.

Jesus said that He only followed His Father...who is greater than He. Those are the words of Christ.

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John

ozell.......

I posted this earlier... but I did not address it to you sorry,

what about the scripture in 1 John?


5Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Love in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscomng

John 10:30 The father and I are one...

It is doubting Thomas who failed to rely on Faith and demanded proof.
And when he got proof, he believed and still did not understand.

not so.

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Ps 55v12: For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13: But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14: We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

Jn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.




John

unfortunately we can't read this in the bible.

Jn 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

how many do you see here?

Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Ps 55v12: For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13: But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14: We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.

what about here?

Ps 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Isa 53v10: Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Now who did Jesus ascend to?

Jn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

who sent Jesus?


Jn 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.


lets take a look at the "are one statement".

Jesus speaks and do what the Father has told him,

Jn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Jn 8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Jn 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.


Jn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jn 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.


we have Jesus being sent of the Father, speaking only the words the Father tells him, and doing only the things the Father say do.

we have The Father(1) and the Son(2) doing and acting as a unit as one.

lets bring the servant into the picture


Jn 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Jn 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Jn 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

in order for us to be in the Father and Jesus we must do the things that they say, in other words OBEY THEIR VOICE.

now for the spirit

Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Jn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

the spirit is sent and he only speaks of what he is told.

we see that all three are on the same page.

but notice The Father sends Jesus

and Jesus sends the Holy Spirit

now lets see the complete picture

Rev1v 1: The Revelation of Jesus Christ,(1) which God(2) gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his (angel)(spirit) unto his servant John:(man)

2: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.