http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.co...ministries-kcm/


From This Link:


I have prayed about this as well as ’sat’ on it for a few days and am convinced this is for public view. I have already notified KCM ministries in Fort Worth of this prophecy’s existence and given them a link to it. They unhelpfully would not supply me with better contact details. (They did not know its content). I have not altered or deleted one single word in order to stay faithful to God. I fear God more than Man. It is the truth and He will vindicate me.



Please note that the main revelation is in purple font and this should be viewed as the actual ‘pure’ revelation and prophecy. I have anotated it and added notes and my own opinions in brown front - and as my opinions and understanding may not be quite correct as they are not ‘pure’ revelation, I have differentiated it from the purple words.



A few nights ago, I heard God speak the name ‘Gloria Copeland’ and I then saw a vision of her. (I had not seen Gloria before this but I knew exactly what she looked like as has been subsequentally confirmed by an internet search. I was very surprised to hear God speak her name to me: it came out of ‘nowhere’ as I have not heard her name or thought about her for a long time.) Then, in the vision, I saw that Gloria Copeland was naked, but for being dressed in a black garbage bag which acted as a makeshift dress for her. I wondered what this meant, and then God reminded me that what one ‘dresses’ in can be in a spiritual sense - spiritual clothes comprising a spiritual covering which is either of the darkness or of the light, and indicating one’s righteousness (or not) before God.



‘You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realise that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked, I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.’ (Revelation 3:17)



I realised that God was saying that Gloria Copeland was spiritually dressed in ‘garbage’ before Him. The garbage bag was black, representing she was of darkness and not the light. She is currently not viewed as righteous before God and is not of the light. Furthermore she is leading many Christians astray by her ‘dark’ false teaching and false prophecies. God pulled no punches at getting straight to the point about her. Christians should have nothing to do with her (unless she publically repents).




(An ‘apologetic’: I did not know anything about Gloria Copeland before this vision apart from I knew her name and the fact she was a Pentecostal on Christian TV now and again. I certainly did not think her to be all that ‘bad’ doctrinally, or otherwise, (but then I did not really know anything about her as I had never researched her). I wish to emphasise there was no prejudice toward her on my part before this vision. I was surprised to hear 1) God speak her name and 2) to hear such a strongly worded detailed prophecy about her. However, I know God’s voice and know this is Him and that he is speaking the truth.



He has every right to use such strong words and to publically shame her as I have since researched and discovered there is plenty of evidence to confirm why God is angry with Gloria. This prophecy is entirely agrees with documented evidence about her and her husband Kenneth’s ministry and beliefs. God if anything, is being very kind about her/them in this prophecy, bearing in mind all they have done: He is giving them a chance to repent. This is not a prophecy of hate, it is one of love, it is sent in order to rescue and release and ultimately bless and build up and to save and not to condemn or mock. Yes the words are strong, but God has every right to cut right to the hearts: they are His words and not my own, I have not altered them in any way – all my anotations are deliberately kept in another font colour to keep the prophecy ‘pure’. He has used harsher words in the past against idolators, fools and mockers who despise the Lord their God. It is up to the Copelands whether they respond to God in a spirit of repentance and humility or if they continue on their ‘collision’ course. God loves them and is urging them to come to Him, but he has made it clear that he will not suffer their foolishness much longer if they delay repenting.



This prophecy is also for the wider church in order to identify the Copeland’s errors, to other ministries to recognise God will judge ministries like the Copelands either here or in the world to come, and to warn them to make sure they are right before God, and this prophecy is also to Copeland’s followers to warn them to steer clear of them….and if you continue to support them in any shape or form, you are supporting something that God has made abundantly clear he hates and you will be rebelling against God and risking his wrath.)



The next night (after the first vision of her dressed in the garbage bag), I asked for more information, confirmation and clarity about the Gloria vision. I saw a vision of Gloria Copeland taking a little brown dog for a walk down the street. She looks very finely dressed, her hair is all done pristinely and she is wearing an expensive looking ‘power suit’. The little dog she is walking suddenly runs ahead of her and so she lets slip of its leash by accident and the dog runs off. She runs after it, but she cannot keep up with it and catch it. She runs tottering on her high heels after it, her heavy pearl necklace flapping against her neck as she runs. It is a comical sight. The dog runs far ahead barking.



‘She cannot keep up with it, or control this dog. How far less can she control me, the Lord of hosts?’ asks the Lord. ‘She makes her demands, pointing with a boney finger and jabbing at her shopping list saying ‘I’ll have this, I’ll have that’, (I see her with dark eyes which are greedy and self serving and a cold heart while she does this ‘prayer’) with little regard for what I want. So, says the Lord of Hosts, I will allow trouble (in judgment - I thought it may be sickness but not sure what exactly it was) to come upon her, and all her pearls of wisdom (her false theology) and other fine things (she is very greedy and materialistic) will not save her in that day. Then perhaps she will come before me on her knees, in humility.’ (to ask for release from judgment/problems)



I then see her emptying sand out from one of her high heel shoes, so God says there is much error in her walk and the ‘gospel’ that she presents. ‘



She makes things look fine on the outside as she ensures enough lipgloss is on her lips, and flicks/preens her hair for the tv cameras and her public as she titivates herself (making herself look good on the outside), forgetting that I, the Lord of Hosts, see all and know the heart, and her heart is not right before me, neither does she want to know me.’ She plots in secret with her husband, her sight on business growth charts and goals and money - there her heart truly is - and she has forgotten me, the Lord her God.



She claims to give out medicine yet she feeds out poison, that makes people sick to their stomachs and with forked tongues they vomit it out. (The forked tongues are like a snake’s tongue indicating what she feeds (her doctine) is dark/satanic in origin).



‘(Gloria), You see yourself like a shining star in the sky, (I see her and Kenneth’s ministry photo glued onto a large star (which was a bit like a photo stuck onto a star shaped rosette) on a large poster with other stars (stars = angels/spiritual beings/gods) stuck onto a blue sky (sky = the heavens/celestial realms) and she and Kenneth place their own star which was their photo high up at the top of this poster on the left hand side - symbolically representing how they elevate themselves) you elevate yourself, but I will make you a shooting star that vanishes and is remembered no more. ‘We are as gods’ you say, ‘gods of the most high’. Tell me do you know the ways of heaven? You do not even know the ways of earth! I tell you the truth that a bird collecting twigs for its nest shows more wisdom and foresight that you do. There is more wisdom in its collecting and building for it knows what its home is to be like/where it is. You do not. You cling to the things of this world but they are but rubbish.



‘Who is like unto us?’ you say proudly. (pp who is like unto the beast)



He will command his angels concerning you that you WILL strike your foot against a stone (judgment is coming pp Herod’s being eaten by worms in Acts as the people said he was a god and he did not rebuke them so was struck by an angel with sickness)



How you will fall Oh son of the Dawn (son of the dawn = satan - this is indicating the true power behind Gloria Copeland)

How the people will mourn

You (Gloria) are (part of) the false prophet that will be cast into the fiery pit (If you do not repent)



‘Did I know?’ she (Gloria) asks (and others ask for her - that is, can she be excused from such judgment as did she not really know that it was dark in origin?)



Yes you did (know)! (says God). You knew the source and yet you repented not and led multitudes astray with you. Like the pied piper you led them into brimming supermarket aisles (advocating greed and materialism as well as also selling the gospel/prophecies for your own ends) and you and they rejoiced to the chime of cash registers.



Ding dong merrily on high

The cash registers are ringing

Ding dong merrily on high

The Copelands are sinning

La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la Gloria

In Excelsis, (in excelsis = ‘in the highest’ - meaning glory to Gloria Copeland who claims to be a god) Did they ‘buy’ it? (‘Buy’ as in merchandising the ‘gospel’, but also did they ‘buy’ it, were the people fooled?)



I then see a vision of a clock with dark hands stuck at six o’clock - six is the number of man - ‘So you are not gods but men. Are you equal to me? (If so) Then stop this judgment coming on you ‘Gloria’.’ says God.


I see Gloria relaxing in a swimming pool floating on their back in quite a decadent way, and then she is pressed down upon from above by a dark hand (Satan) with the intent to drown her. It is a spiritual anointing albeit dark in origin. (The Greek for the Spirit of the Lord being upon someone conveys the idea of the ‘anointing’ pressing down on the person) and this counterfeit anointing is pressing down upon her neck for hateful reasons. The pressing down is at the Adam’s apple area (I know she is a lady and does not have one but this is symbolic) - and the Adam’s apple is representing biting into the apple, sinfulness, the serpent, occult wisdom etc. God is saying Satan has her by the neck with the view to drowning her –Gloria does not realise the danger she is in or how much her ‘allie’ hates her, she has been conned - and there is a false anointing as well as sinfulness and rebellion in her life.



God says that she is a rebellious child that does not want to know. God has given her chances to repent, He has waited patiently but he will wait no more, and she will be no more.



Judgment is coming upon your house (plural) so possibly more than Gloria will be judged when it strikes.



God shows me Gloria – in a vision she is as a mare (female horse) (but ‘mare’ is also the word for a problematic person – a ‘nightmare’ - hence God uses this term too) and it is stomping its feet and tossing its head, and sets itself up in opposition to God. (She is rebellious intentionally, she knows better, she is a mare to deal with and correct).



I then see her with others playing with black chess pieces (= the dark side) including a chess piece that becomes a bigger chess piece and it resembles an oriental eastern wise man idol with a long moustache down past his waist (karate kid style) (representing eastern religion/occultic mysticism) and it is red (pp the red dragon in revelation = satan) ‘Why do you divine in secret? You have a secret tea party (like Alice in wonderland) and drink strange foreign things - come to MY table for I will quench your thirst and fill your hunger.’



I then see Gloria on a ladder trying to clean the upper windows of her house which are filthy (upper windows = her mind) and these windows are polluted with strange bonfire smoke, from strange fires (false religion/false revival/false anointing/idolotary). Come clean these windows, you cannot clean the stain yourself, it is so filthy (even her rags are filthy), only God can clean these stains. (Let God do it and repent of this filth.)



‘I put you in stocks and publically shame you for all you have done, and I humiliate you.’ (Perhaps the meaning of this is that He is shaming her by this public word, and perhaps God will send other things to humiliate her. She is such a public figure that she must be publically rebuked and named and shamed – she has led masses astray. It is no slight thing.)



‘Do not raise your finger against me, do not dare!’ (says God). ‘How is that Satan has so enamoured your heart that you believe you can take my place?! Can any? Can he? If he cannot himself, how will he give you the power to? Yet he has seduced you, the beautiful serpent has beguiled you and twisted your mind to believe you can sieze my throne. Anarchy!’



I see in a vision Gloria planting a garden but she plants it with floppy dead and unhealthy weeds. No good word dwells in you, your cakes do not rise, your buildings are left less than half built (this is all spiritual not physical), your shoes run ahead with no feet in them. There is a lack of power, lack of truth, lack of righteousness, lack of peace, lack of me (God).



‘He who trusts in me, out of him will come rivers of living water’



I see her stomach (and also, I think, the stomachs of those she ministers to), and the vision is in direct contrast to the above scriptural promise, and something horrible is punching the stomach from the outside so she is crippled over in agony (though they do not know it), and I see her mouth open and out of it comes literally empty hollow words. There is no noise. (God is saying that it is not true rivers and not true words from her ministry, and it damages and hursts rather than blesses and builds up and empowers.)



I see a set square - (the freemasonry symbol) – God says, ‘So I have measured you and found you lacking.’



I see her encouraging people to board a false train (false gospel), yet God says he wants her to get back onto the true train.



‘Though he slay me, yet I will hope in him’ Job 13:15



I see her hands and they are diviners hands and magicians fingertips, they are dangling and sparkling and hungry for the (counterfeit) anointing - itchy fingers and itchy hands. You attempt to sell my anointing to the highest bidder - and who has bought your soul? Whom have you offered it to (for money) Hmm? Who? You and I know full well, you wicked doer! ‘



You pretend all is sweet, yet you allow your husband to share another woman’s bed and this has gone on for years. His infidility has gone on in your full view/knowledge, yet you give it your ‘blessing’. Well, just as he has slept around on you, so you have slept around on me!’ says the Lord.



‘Shall I measure them?’ (them = Copelands) a voice from heaven says. ‘Are they 9 inches high, as surely they are in my hand!’ says the Lord. (Kenneth is reported as saying God the Father is about 6 foot 2 and has a 9 inch hand span. God, of course, is omnipresent. Heaven is his throne, and Earth is his footstall.) ‘and my anger burns against them. As reeds burnt in a forest fire, so will I destroy them. They have provoked me to anger. The people think I am dead and no longer judge, and that I no longer care, and my name is profaned, they are blasphemers, Kenneth cuts me down in vile tongues and mocks me openly. His lips are sensuous and polluted and tingling and sinful. ‘



See this burning coal has touched your lips’ (Isaiah) I urge you to let God’s ‘burning coal’ – his atoning and cleansing touch touch your ministry and so transform it from a work of darkness to one of the light, so that with skilful shepherds crooks, Gloria and Kenneth will shepherd the flock (become true shepherds for God.) ‘



Be for me or be against me, choose which way’ says God. (Last chance, repent today while there is still time for you.).



Even now, declares the LORD, return to me with all your heart, with fasting and weeping and mourning. Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the LORD your God, for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity. Joel 2:12-13


By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.‘ Ezekiel 28:18-19

That was a powerfull prophecy to carry out, it takes great boldness to act on it and bring it public.


edit: It was another author.

"Do not be impeded by the enemy of your soul which seeks to detour you and to make determinations against you. The prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me. Do not eat of his fruit, for it is bitterness and it will sap the strength of the truth as surely as darkness is prevalent until light is turned on. I am the light of the world, I am tapped into and “turned on” by activating the switch of faith. I will always honour your faith. I do not look at the foreknowledge and outcome of a life or of an event, for I am pleased by faith. This faith will change the scroll of time and turn the corner on what “might have been,” to the greater edification and realization of your soul. As soon as you turn on the faith, the light will come on, the darkness will be dispelled. Just as a single candle will dispel darkness, so will a single flame of faith send mountains fleeing before you. I have ordained faith to be so powerful as to overcome the world. Do not take this lightly into your souls, but allow it to permeate your being, for your spirit is the candle of the Lord. For I have spoken, I will not relent. The earth is mine and the kingdoms thereof. I will not share this inheritance, this creation with another, save it be the redeemed. Behold, have faith in Me as I hold you in the palm of My hand. I love you and none that the Father has given Me shall be lost. Go forward in all you know to be right, and I will always uphold you in it.”

Do not speak against God's children. The Spirit is in that ministry and anyone who has the Spirit knows it.

http://www.forgottenword.org/copeland.html

After all is said and done, this is a very sobering prophecy. May God have mercy on us all and may He keep us at all times humble, and doing His will! May he give us the heart to do His will and to stay in His will!

Thanks Dennis,

now I understand...

that web site, here is the quote that helped me:

They believe that you can become a little god. That you can proclaim your own health and wealth just by speaking it. ... They also say that its all your fault if you are not healthy and wealthy because you lack in faith.

The other week at church, the day my boy walked to the alter and told the pastor he wanted to be baptized... I had a roaring headache, well, the sound guy came up to me afterwards and said that having my son wanting to be baptized must have made my headache better, it's a great day. The sound guy knew I'd had a headache from an earlier praise band rehearsal. I replied that no, it was still there. His reply pretty much surprised me. He basically said I didn't really believe in Jesus, else I would not have the headache - that Jesus already paid for it all at the cross. That he really believes it is my lack of faith that I still had a headache.

10 months ago he told me that he only believes the book of Matthew, he doesn't like anything by Paul-cuz Paul had somekind of physical ailment, and that he follows Kenneth Copeland's ministries.

Now I have a better understanding. I didn't even know I was thinking about it.

Funny, today in church, the pastor was quoting 2 Cor 12... about Paul's sufferings. During church, I wanted to turn my head to see if the sound guy was there, just cuz I knew he didn't like Paul - specifically cuz Paul should never have had that thorn bothering him.

And this afternoon I read this. I just have to smile at God's timing. Evidently, I have some clarifying / testifying to do in the near future (concerning God's word and the sound guy) .

man...i'm sorry you feel that way.



you buy into that whole kenneth copeland stuff don't you?



and you'd never dare think for a second that it might be false.



i guess it's the same for the people who go to church and cling to their pastor...no matter what he says.



the prophetics cling to these popular prophetic teachers.

As a new christian and a careful one at that WHO AM I SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE from this forum alone both company's are making a mockery in the name of jesus, it is not in his will that we argue and confuse one another. if you have something against each other do not post and confuse to gain followers in the belief of their falsness for we are all one under god not separate. think for yourself, don't question eachother in man.. question god and ask for a confirmation on this. get multiple confirmations on this for it will be jesus or god that will tell you the falsehood of the matter

there is far more occult in the world than most people realize.

there are 3 very powerful occult (satanic) techniques.
1. positive thinking.............think that what you want and it will happen.

2. positive confession.............say what you want, and it will happen.

3., visualization............visualize , in your mind, what you want, and it will happen.

Oprah's SECRET is a classic form of these occult techniques...........say what you want, and the universe will deliver it to your front door.
just like ordering a hamburger,............order it, and it will come.

What (or Who?) delivers your orders?.............it is Satan and his demons..........they have tremendous influence over this world...........the NT says that satan is the GOD OF THIS WORLD.

Robert Schuller and Norman Vincent Peale are famous for POSITIVE THINKING.

the WORD OF FAITH/POSITIVE CONFESSION/MYSTIC/KENNETH COPELAND/PROSPERITY GOSPEL folks are famous for these occult techniques............(of course, they don't call it occult)

paranormal, psychic, hypnosis, accupuncture, accupressure, water dowsing, divination, SYLVIA BROWN on the MONTEL TV show,...............all these are occult.

they work, but they work by satan-power................satan is happy to draw you away from the bible, by giving you goodies.

there are many healings in many different religions.............google SAI BABA.......very famous, a Hindu holy man in India, he has performed miracles and healings, but it's not by jesus-power, it's by satan-power.

Why does God allow satan and men to decieve us?
God is TESTING our faith in the bible.
there's plenty of EVIDENCE AND PROOF in the bible to PROVE that the bible is true.

faith comes by hearing the WORD OF GOD!

So by this standard, God should be a negative thinker....after all it is wrong to propose the positives if this treatise is to be believed...never mind the bible which says, Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Some folks just don't get it......some folks have a religious spirit, fear based and sin concious....how is it that the SAME Spirit which leads us all would tell one man the Copelands are poison and tell another that they are meat....that web site that was pasted in here as a link...they are a dime a dozen and are geared to fit the need of those whose minds are steeped to believe the religiious mocking spirit...to begin with, the Copelands preach and teach the whole council of God, not just prosperity...I have learned much from them as they have advised scripturally 2Ti 1:14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.



2Th 3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep [you] from evil.

HEBREWS 11
the heroes of faith chapter

the first half of this chapter lists many great miracles that god did for the believers (healings, victories on the battlefield, resurrections, etc)

the second half of the chapter lists many heroes of faith that did NOT get a GREAT, BLATANT, OBVIOUS MIRACLE.
they were ruined, hurt, and killed by evil people,......... they died wondering "WHERE'S MY MIRACLE?"

BUT, THEY WERE ALL HEROES OF FAITH.



the Truth is
God doesn't give us everything that we ask for (or demand)............He wants us to live in faith, love, righteousness, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE GET A MIRACLE OR NOT.

we don't live in Intense Love because there's always an immediate PAYOFF FROM GOD............we live in love, because God IS LOVE, and we want to be LIKE GOD. (loving)

If we love for the PAYOFF, ...........that's carnal, fleshly, earthly,

If we love because we love LOVE , that's the WAY GOD IS.
when we are loving , that's when we are God-like.


we don't need MIRACLES to believe the bible............the bible contains it's own proof (it contains a description of God's Super-natural Love).

in the early days of the Church, those people needed miracles, because God was starting a NEW COVENANT,.......not everyone had a COMPLETE TEXT OF THE BIBLE, .......and God validated the NEW PREACHING with blatant miracles.


1 Corinthians 12;28-31.........plainly says that not everyone has the miracle-working GIFT FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT.
But, Copeland denies 1 Corinthians 12.............Copeland contradicts the Holy Scripture...........He is not a believer.

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.



as for the Copelands and teaching false, that is for the Lord to deal with.
2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

You mix truth and supposition in a way which serves your belief set....for there are truths in your writing...but you speak your opinion which marries up with the opinion of one mindset while ignoring plausible things which go beyond the grammatical historical context of scripture...

".............Copeland contradicts the Holy Scripture...........He is not a believer."

That is an extension of opinion which is beyond your ability to say with any qualified voice...in other words it is an opinion...like an arm pit...every one has them and some stink...the whole event of folks taking sides in a great rhetorical debate over rightness and wrongness where conventional mores and wisdom is dogmatically applied is nothing short of a travesty. Millions are not being deceived by Copeland. If that ministry is an evil tree, show therefore the evil fruit...I see no such evil fruit...but only changed lives...

i know people whose lives have been changed by the Copelands.............the Copelands told them "IF YOU HAD FAITH, YOU WOULDN'T BE SICK, OR POOR, OR WHATEVER"

and it nearly destroyed the people's faith in the bible.............i am strongly opposed to the COPELANDS and people like them.

If we all just stuck with our major denominations like Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian then we would not have to worry about the Copelands or a host of other crackpots.

I recommend that anyone who is not going to a proper church and is going to these non-denominational tele-evangelist - megachurch - cell groups - fly-by-nighters then they should get out now and go and join a real church.

The orthodoxy has spoken....and in so speaking has inadvertently admitted to another weakness...denominations...sects...diverging interpretation of scripture which leads to divisions...having no power and little likeness. I am not the be all and end all proponent of the so called charismatic movement I once was, but I will not stand in judgment of it for it has had much to do with an awakening to God and millions have been awakened by it...I know up front and personal that GOD moved in my life in an undeniable way, and forever layed to rest my legalism and tendency to oppose myself unto death. Any deep reading of Ephesians and Colossians will draw forth scriptures exposing the truth of the position that Christians are SUPPOSED to be walking in...and it is in authority and not in weakness...it is in faith and not in fear..it is in prosperity and not in poverty, it is in love and not hate, it is in unity and not in division....the trouble with the so called body is that it loves to eat itself like an ulcerated sore....It is time to move out of Lodebar....I believe that this very week God is going to reveal Himself to the world church in an undeniable way...by Oct 01/07....we will be spoken to...

I have cleaned up this thread as well. The bickering and offense must not be. It is a work of the flesh, very unchristlike. Discuss the subject freely, but try to keep it clean.

Sorry!

I openly admit that denominations and sects are a weakness of the faith which fosters divergent beliefs such as the word-faith movement. I have made no secret of this. I oppose denominationalism and sectarianism to such an extent that I implore Christians everywhere NOT to leave their denominations but to remain as united as possible. I wish that we were all the one holy apostolic catholic church mentioned in the Nicene creed once more but that does not seem to be a possibility.
You accuse all Christians prior to the creation of the Charismatic movement of lacking power and faith. How erroneus. Clearly the problem of spiritual deadness has nothing to do with the style of our worship service.

Charismatics judge others saying that they lack life and power. The prove that they themselves have power and life by dancing around hollering and waving their hands in the air having paroxyms of emotions. However there is a lack of sacredness in the church service today even in the main protestant denominations and especially in the charismatic services. In many "alive" churches the pastor cheers on his football team with accompanying boos and cheers from the congregation. This is and other entertainments are sacriledge in what should be a holy and reflective service.

This lack of the sense of the sacred is a tragedy in our modern services. Also we should not judge those who appear serious and sombre at church by concluding that they are spiritually dead. Can you see into their heart. If you need to be hyped up in a charismatic church to prove that you are alive and powerful then I question whether your "aliveness" is from the still deep water of the Holy Spirit or whether it is the froth and bubble of human emotions.

In the same way our faith in God's providence and healing is not expressed by noisy confessions of faith, and insistent claims on God of his promises, and presumptuous thanks for things not yet received. It is based on a quiet and solid patience in the face of suffering. Waiting upon the Lord as we make our humble petitions to his throne of grace. It is a wicked and judgemental attitude that says "You lack faith" because God has not yet healed the individual. It is a godly and kind attitude to give encouragement and compassion for those who suffer, interceding for them in prayer and reminding them of the faithful works of God to usward from the foundation of the world.

Here is a hymn for a quiet, reflective and sombre soul which some describe as spiritually dead. You will not hear this sung at a charismatic service in between the drums and electric guitars. You might hear it at a fuddy duddy musty old church filled with spiritually dead people with one foot in the grave.

It's called "Cleanse Me" based on Psalm 139:23-24 sung to a polynesian farewell tune sung to Dr. Orr by 4 maori girls when he left New Zealand in 1912.

(1) Search me, O God, and know my heart today;
Try me, O Savior, know my thoughts, I pray.
See if there be some wicked way in me;
Cleanse me from every sin, and set me free.

(2) I praise Thee, Lord, for cleansing me from sin;
Fulfill Thy Word and make me pure within.
Fill me with fire, where once I burned with shame;
Grant my desire to magnify Thy name.

(3) Lord, take my life, and make it wholly Thine;
Fill my poor heart with Thy great love divine.
Take all my will, my passion, self and pride;
I now surrender, Lord-in me abide.

“Vain babblings will profit nothing to the hearer or to the speaker. Only be steadfast to the doctrine I have presented as truth. My word will abide even when the flesh has faded into non existence. There is no room for the carnal, fleshly nature of man on the path before you. Go forward in the right and in the true way, and have no regard for the dissension or the deception or the unfruitful way. My gospel is as simple as loving Me firstly, and loving your neighbour as a result of loving Me. Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me; for I am meek and lowly of heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Do the truth, be kind to one another, and fall into unified step with one another. The dogged determination to correct one another is a travesty of My way. But the falsehoods will be stopped, as I live, saith God. This is the hour when all things secret will be shouted from the rooftops. Secret combinations and evil works will be revealed. Continual relinquishing of evil from the lives of My people is the commandment I give. This must be done and will be done until My people are perfect and complete in all the will of God.”

excubitor... are you another son of thunder?

There is a lover inside, a John in your heart... somewhere.



What a testimony...

So many people have been brought to the Lord through imperfect preachers on TBN and other like networks- including my beloved brother. He is now a seminary graduate who doesn't watch much anymore. He doesn't need to watch. But the point is that God meets people where they are. Praise be His Name. How loving and kind He is to us.

I won't stand in judgement either. In some countries like Iran, Christian television is the only place people can hear the gospel. If the message is there- Jesus Christ was crucified and raised from the dead- glory to God!

The only person that is able to rightly judge motive is Christ. And even if ones motive is wrong, the Lord uses it all for His purposes. I know by now that whenever someone has risen to public view- there has been a process. We all simply have no idea what each leader had to go through in their wildernesses- the breaking- before the Lord saw fit for them to be passed around and consumed. There is always a cost to public ministry- a high price. He is great and worthy to be praised.

Finally, it is easy to judge a person from afar. It is not so easy when you know someone's story, when you eat with them, work with them, know them personally. Please be careful about speaking against one of God's children (if there is any doubt about it, keep quiet and pray) lest you might bring judgement on yourself. (About a year ago, I experienced this judgement myself. IT AIN'T FUN OR PRETTY.)

So does anyone know if Kenneth and Gloria received the word and repented?

Has anyone else who is guilty of the same thing repented over reading this?

The Judgment ends when the entire world is destroyed and everything that man has created by worshiping the works of his hands is removed from the Lord's kingdom.

Where do you stand?

Matthew 13
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Luke 14
33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

1 Corinthians 2
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

how does a person get a BIG ministry, on TV, radio, etc?

it's not by preaching the PURE Gospel............most people are far too carnal for that.

if you want a BIG ministry, you must compromise, twist, distort, the Scriptures, because that's what the Many demand.

The Few (the Remnant) are the ones who want the PURE Gospel, un-twisted.



also,
how does a person get elected to public, political office?.........it's not by preaching the Bible.

a Christian must be a STEALTH christian, if he wants to get elected.

the 51% majority will vote against the Bible.

Oh, Dani. I love you.

I do not think that we are here to point fingers at them in public. I personally think that we are to just bring the truth of the Gospel, we are to speak the truth in love and people must either take it or leave it. Like Jesus did with the rich young man

Mar 10:21 And Jesus looking upon him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
Mar 10:22 But his countenance fell at the saying, and he went away sorrowful: for he was one that had great possessions.
Mar 10:23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! Mar 10:24 And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! Mar 10:25 It is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Mar 10:26 And they were astonished exceedingly, saying unto him, Then who can be saved?
Mar 10:27 Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for all things are possible with God.

Jesus did not run after this young man, He just carried on speaking the truth about the Kingdom of God. That young man left.
Jesus also said, that it would be impossible for a rich man who trusted in his riches to enter the Kingdom, but that it is possible for our Father to get them in. Nothing is impossible with God.

So lets put down our stones, and rather pray that the truth of God will shine in His Kingdom and that our brothers and sisters will see that treasures on earth will fall and leave us with nothing, but that our faith in the provision of God , will not fail us. Give into the Kingdom , by helping your brothers and sisters in need and you will have a treasure in heaven that will pay out when you need it. And this treasure is not linked to a Stock Market.

I do not say that prophetic word is wrong, I just think it is not meant for a public board. God tells us to go to people in private and talk to them if we think that they are in sin. We may however speak out against false doctrine and warn people about it.
I use to speak out publicly against people, but now I have repented. I was wrong.

Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.

love C

as per the bible,
when a person PUBLICLY teaches false,......we are to PUBLICLY refute them.

Peter knew that the gentile christians were not required to observe Mosaic rules, but when the Jews visited Paul, peter and the gentiles, Peter acted with hyposcrisy.......Peter stopped eating with the gentiles, and ate with the JEWS ONLY,
and Paul publicly rebuked and corrected Peter in sight of all.

the bible says:..........we reap what we sow.
PUBLIC false teaching will result is PUBLIC correction.






Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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Gal 2:10 Only [they would] that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
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Gal 2:11 ¶ But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
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Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
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Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
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Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
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Gal 2:15 We [who are] Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,











1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.







1Ti 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
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1Ti 5:17 ¶ Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
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1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer [is] worthy of his reward.
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1Ti 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
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1Ti 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
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1Ti 5:21 I charge [thee] before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
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1Ti 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.
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1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
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1Ti 5:24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some [men] they follow after.
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1Ti 5:25 Likewise also the good works [of some] are manifest

A short sentence that says it all.


Amen Brother.

But then you better be wielding the power of the Spirit Of God as a witness of you. Or you just might fit into the "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" crowd.

Amen! We are all members of the same body, and only God reads in our hearts... We should pray for Kenneth Copeland that he remains in the truth, as well as for Gloria Copeland. They need our prayers. When a member of the body of Christ is sick, the whole body of Christ is affected!

God bless you Pittard! Have faith!

Interesting concept...
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.