I just want to see what the people beleive.

Rapture.....soon but not soon enough. Jesus will return 7 years after that.

You will never know the angels does not know no one knows when the times is. Only the lord knows.

And you don´t think that our LORD would give us a hint of the time we can expect him to arrive?
I see the poll results - and what I see is chaos amongs Gods people.

keep voting - I want to see you struggle to explain the results after 5 - 10 more votes.

Because - some of you are voting right - and some of you are voting wrong.

If the Disciples had a computer and a internet long ago and they would sit whole day in comp and asking everyone when will rapture and Jesus Christ comes. The Gospel would not been spread while the disiciples spread the whole message of Jesus Christ until today the message is still there. I rather not focus much on end times and rapture but focus of truly Lord Jesus Christ.

And if you are thinking do i know about end times yes i know very well. I know He is coming soon and signs that is already happening.

He is already here.

No. He is not.

The holy spirit is here - Jesus however, is not here.
If Jesus was here - I would have seen him, and so would the whole world.

Give me the name and the address to the moron who told you he was here - and I will contact him and confront him with the words of the Bible.





and yet you are so hasty to make up your own oppinion.
Yes we do not know the time and the day - but we know the year.

He is here and has appeared to many.

Is't when the year he is coming also is your own opinion too?.

For many years i meant many years people said the same thing. Here is few prediction that have been made :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming#Predictions.

What you are doing is predicting.

No predicting involved.

It is black on white in the Holy Bible - just sealed untill now.

Do you beleive in the original Holy Scrolls? - you know, the once we have translated into our Bible.

If you beleive in the Bible - you will be glad to hear that the original scrolls where coded, there is a whole new book whitin the book - written in letter-codes.

And mathematics can prove that it is no coincidense - the codes are there - it is like cross-words, only much more complex.

http://www.exodus2006.com/L0rd%20kyr0N/jesus2010.htm << Look

And there is a lot and lots and even more scriptures - just browse exodus2006.com and read the secret - the secret of today and tomorrow.

Jesus will come in 2009/2010 (maya calendar) - This time it is true.
This time it is not a prediction - this time it is the Bible that tells it - not a man.






He is not here - the dead people have not been awaken yet.

If someone has appeared to you as Christ - then it is a fallen Angel or a man.
The Bible has allready foretold us what will happend - and there is a LOT of people out there claiming to be Jesus Christ.


Don´t be fooled.


Name and address please.

Adonaicole was not talking about False Christ and he does not worship them. He worship the true lord. What he is telling you. He is Here. He is watching and is still in control of his creation. Who told you that Jesus is not here?. Then where is he?.

From what i can telling you togarma "You should Lord for Knowledge and Wisdom" and not from your understanding.

I can tell you strongly that He is very much here.

Thank you white knight, you are my knight in shining armour today. You exactly understood the spirit of what I was saying.

Where is he? He is on his Fathers right side in HEAVEN - Read the BIBLE!


Don´t LIE!

Adonaicole said: He is here and has appeared to many.



That is a direct quote - and you Adonaicole is a LIAR - and you praise "WhiteKnight" for supporting your LIE - dragging him into your mess.

Now - you SAID - and I quote once again: "He is here and has appeared to many".
I dispute that - calling one of you a LIAR - and the other one a SUPPORTER OF THE LIE.

Jesus is not on yet on earth - the dead people has not been awaken yet - that is what the Bible explains over and over again that will happen first.

Now - do you want to appologice right now - or do you want to tell me another LIE to cover your first LIE?


The Jesus of the BIBLE will return as the deciples saw he left - and when he comes, he will have an army of angels in the sky with him - and the WHOLE WORLD WILL WITNESS!!!

Read Matthew 24.

Such a mean spirited post, I can't imagine where you are coming from.

Matthew 28
20
lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Are you calling Jesus a liar too?

Mean spirited post? I don´t think so. It was you that claimed Jesus was here now - and that he had been appearing before many people - That was a Lie from the pitts of hell.

Now you are trying desperatly to turn the table against me - quoting what Jesus said when he LEFT EARTH!
The last sentence in the book of Matthew.

Jesus is NOT on earth - his SPIRIT is. Get your facts straight.
I am for TRUTH and against LIES - and I can never accept a Lie, not from you - nor anybody else.

Jesus will come back as promissed - and then I and everybody else will WITNESS him on the clouds of heaven - AFTER a trillion of dead people have been risen from the dead.

I really hope that you are not a preacher or a pastor or an evangelist preaching that nonsence - because that false teaching is going to destroy somebodys faith.

I am not calling Jesus a Liar - I am calling You a Liar - not because I like to call you a Liar, not because I want to hurt your feelings - but because you have openly told me a Lie - and instead of repenting, you just defended your statement, pushing the dirt under the carpet - and on top of it, you tried to turn the table to make me look stupid?

Now - I really don´t care about peoples feelings anymore - I just care about TRUTH and FALSE according to the Bible - because your feelings is not going to save you, and a LIE is not going to save you - but the TRUTH is - and the truth sometime hurts - get used to it.

This thread makes me want to cry!

Perhaps I am too simple...but when I read the three are One, I don't think it is up to any human to say Jesus is not the Spirit and if the Spirit is here then Jesus is not and if The Father is here when tow or more are gathered in His name and the Father and the Son are One then how can any human say different?

Do any more than the above and you are treding on dangerous ground.

OK...."I have to leave so that another may come" and "I will never leave you"

"I know what you want before you ask" and "pray and tell the Father what you need"


Remember how far from pure you are before you try to define your creator.

leia

It is not complicated.

Jesus is the Son of God - they are one - as you and your Son/doughter is one.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit that was inside Jesus when he was on earth - that Jesus left behind - and the Spirit is one with Jesus which is One with God

Now - the Holy spirit has never left us - It dwells among the people who beleive - just as the bad spirits dwell among the people who do not beleive.

Only thrugh the Spirit can we become one with Christ - meaning to think his thoughts, speak his words, walk his walk - and yes, he is with us always, cuz the Spirit is with us, and the Spirit has contact with Jesus who has contact with God.

If I pray God to do something, it is the Holy spirit that brings my prayer to the throne of God, where Jesus sits on his father Gods right side -

Now - Jesus Christ is not here on Earth - his spirit is here on earth - but we are not waiting for the Holy Spirit to come - it is allready here - we are awaiting the arrivel of Jesus Christ from Heaven - he that is One with the Spirit on Earth and God in Heaven - he has not arrived yet - but he will - after a series of plagues and disasters - according to what he said would happen in the time before his second comming - yet to happend.


Now Leia - you want me to focus on how far from pure I am when I try to define my Creator?
Are you serious? Do you really want me to speak the word of God with that on my mind?

"I am sorry God - i am too far from pure to speak the truth of your Bible or to even try to define you"?
Seriously: That is a really dangerous path which eventually leads to disbeleive. It is a curse.

I do not deliver hugs and kisses - only Truth and divine Love from God my creator and Jesus my Saviour in the holy Spirit - I can never see a Lie dwell among you.

Now - I love you guys - I just want you all to start reading the Bible and getting to understand it - because, my friends - Time is almost up - and a lot of you are not expecting Jesus to come anytime soon - but I asure you - Jesus will soon be here - I beleive the year will be 2009/2010 according to the Bible-code.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus will come before the tribulation - it repeativly says: After.

So - get ready for Tribulation - take the Holy Bible seriously and find something on earth to do for heavens sake - As Kent Hovind says: If you are not going to shoot - at least carry bullets.

I love and respect all fellow believers, we are brothers and sisters in Christ.

It is my desire to only encourage and I avoid controversial subjects.

I simply did not perceive that my belief that Jesus is with us always, was controversial for I am not offended by those who believe that he is coming in 5 or 15 years.

I humbly and sincerely ask forgiveness, if I have offended anyone.

As for my comment that, "he has appeared to many", I personally have not seen him, except in my brothers and sisters (I will admit to talking to him a time or two). I was referring to the numerous accounts from around the world, where sikhs, buddhists, hindus and moslems have stated that Jesus appeared to them and they instantly believed, sometimes at the risk of their lives. I believe their accounts because they give good reports that have caused many more to believe and I rejoice for every lost sheep that has been found.

Again, I ask forgiveness if I have offended anyone. I will not write anymore in this thread.

I will ask God in Jesus name to bless you today - you have turned away from your statement and at the same time releaved this burden from my shoulders and I can now rest for a minute.

When I read your second sentence: "It is my desire to only encourage and I avoid controversial subjects" - I felt the spirit saying: "controversial subjects becomes non-controversial when God reveals them".

Listen - I will put some words inside your sentence, and want you to read it - and pray God to make the sentence alive in your life.

This is the new sentence: "It is my desire to only encourage the truth as it is written in the Bible and I avoid controversial subjects when I don´t understand them I will search the Bible for answers untill I find it and let the Word of God confirm or decline the subject"

God bless you Adonaicole

Don... I can tell you that I completely understand you! If there is anyone here on this forum that I have seen my Jesus through it is YOU! I have told you on numerous occasions that I have seen Him as I look at you. Once again..... He is shinning as brightly as ever. There is a song that I sing.... it is one of my favorite songs because it says exactly how my heart feels. Knowing your heart and your sweet humble attitude, I know that it would be a song that I could hear you sing as well.

Do They See Jesus In Me


Is the face that I see in the mirror
the one I want others to see
Do I show in the way that I walk in my life
The love that You've given to me
My heart's desire is to be like You
In all that I do, all I am

Do they see Jesus In Me
Do they recognize Your face
Do I communicate Your love, and Your grace
Do I reflect who You are
In the way I choose to be
Do they see Jesus In Me

It's amazing that you'd ever use me
But use me the way You will
Help me to hold out a heart of
compassionate grace
A heart that You're spirit fills
May I show forgiveness and mercy
The same way You've shown it to me

Now I want to show all the world who You are
The reason I live and breathe
So You'll be the One that they see
When they see me

....and for the record...I recognize His face... You communicate His love and His grace beautifully.....You reflect who He is by the way you choose to live.... Yes I see Jesus, Jesus in YOU!

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming

I don't think the poll's results are contradicting. Rather, they show that we all EXPECT the Rapture ANY MINUTE, and if not, within a rather short time span... WHich is exactly what the Bilbe teaches, to be ready, to pray that we may be worthy to escape the Tribulation!

Oh Val,

You are so sweet, you are a blessing to me and everyone on this forum. I see Jesus shining brightly through you. Thank you so much for the song, you made my heart to sing and brought tears to my eyes. May God bless you for your kindness and encouragement. I love the beautiful spirit of your posts. Thank you so much.

No idea at all when the Rapture will happen, but that's the "Return" I'm looking forward to.

Probably sooner versus later considering the current state of the world now, especially with the Iranian leader trying to hasten the coming of the Islamic Messiah known as the Mahdi or the Twelfth Imam.

President Bush and Israel are going to have to make 'the' decision soon if they haven't already. Can't see President Bush leaving Iran with Nuclear capability for the next President to fumble the ball with.

Joel Rosenberg seems to think the same thing, his Blog is a good one to keep an eye on... I check it at least once a day.

http://joelrosenberg.blogspot.com/

Me thinks this is Post Number 5, 5 more and then I can start posting in the "Current Events" forum?

Mike aka MilkMan

Some famous person ( Just happened to forget his name ) spent his entire life studying the bible, he wrote 2060 in his testamente just before his death, so lets hope we all live that long

Wow - a FAMOUS person?

2060?

Jesus will come in the last half of 2009 or the first half of 2010 - that is the timeframe we´re expecting him back - it is in the Holy Bible-codes.

That famous person name is Isaac Newton. 2060 was his prediction that the world would end. You can read it here :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies.

The Lord will return 70 days after the two witnesses are killed. Or 66.5 days after they are resurrected.
When the Lord returns He will come with all of His Holy Messengers who were redeemed from the earth at His return and they will mount up with wings like eagles. They will fly down and remove out of His kingdom all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness.


Matthew 13
40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Isaiah 40
31 But those who wait on the Lord Shall renew their strength; They shall mount up with wings like eagles, They shall run and not be weary, They shall walk and not faint.

Joel 2
3 A fire devours before them, And behind them a flame burns; The land is like the Garden of Eden before them, And behind them a desolate wilderness; Surely nothing shall escape them.
4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses; And like swift steeds, so they run.

5 With a noise like chariots Over mountaintops they leap, Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble, Like a strong people set in battle array.
6 Before them the people writhe in pain; All faces are drained of color.
7 They run like mighty men, They climb the wall like men of war; Every one marches in formation, And they do not break ranks.
8 They do not push one another; Every one marches in his own column. Though they lunge between the weapons, They are not cut down.
9 They run to and fro in the city, They run on the wall; They climb into the houses, They enter at the windows like a thief.
10 The earth quakes before them, The heavens tremble; The sun and moon grow dark, And the stars diminish their brightness.
11 The Lord gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great; For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; Who can endure it?

My main focus is that Jesus appears in me as a disciple. He comes IN us then He comes FOR us.

Daniel reveals much about the actual timing of these events and we can start counting days from the "covenant made with many".

Dan 9:27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: (7 years) and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the continual burnt-offering shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand and two hundred and ninety days. (3.5 years)
Dan 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (this is the rapture-the blessed hope)
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and shalt stand in thy lot, at the end of the days. (Stand in thy lot=resurrection at the END of DAYS)

The days are there for us all to COUNT! We will know when the covenant is made....which hasn't happened YET...therefore "No man knoweth the hour...."

What happens first? The rapture or the resurrection?

1Cor 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Cor 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. This is the rez and the rapture. They happen together!

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first;
1Th 4:17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The scriptures plainly teach that the dead in Christ MUST rise first! How can this happen 7 years before the end?
It can't......

THEREFORE...there can me NO pre-trib rapture because the resurrection MUST happen FIRST and that's at the LAST DAY.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

We must trust what is written in the Word and not false teachings of the apostate "churches" out there that are in darkness. They teach the tickling ear doctrines that will cause many to fall. We must prepare for the coming 7 years of famine just as Joseph did by storing up the grain. (God's Word)

Blessings to you all!

I like Joel Rosenberg, too. He has some really interesting things to say about events that are happening now in the Middle East.


togarma,
I can't keep track of who believes in a pre-tribulation rapture and who doesn't, but are you referring to the coming that starts the millennium, or a rapture that happens before that? I was expecting to see the two witnesses sometime around the years that you mentioned, but then to me the second coming is, as charlie says, not too many days after their 3 1/2 years are over. I don't see a rapture before that. I voted for the second option on the survey just because I see Him coming AFTER the two witnesses, and they haven't appeared on the public scene yet (that I'm aware of).

If you want to cut straight to the point, there are intermediate signs that happens first. The biggest hint Christ gives is the parable of the fig tree with the tree's fruit ripening.

The second is everyone on earth will see Christ return and with many days in advance to see his return. But it is not Christ as himself, pursee, it is the sign of the Son of man.

For some reason Christian doctrine has confused this to mean Christ himself as in body form, white robe or shining armor, or something like that. Nope, it is not, but rather it is the sign of the Son of man, and the whole earth shall mourn for it. Read it for yourself. It's not my interpretation.

Matthew 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So, what happens when the sign of the Son of man arrives?

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yeah, that's right. Folks call it the rapture, but it is what it is; angels sent forth to gather his elect, and it happens at the very very end of things. That means poof! Earth gets whacked by a comet or meteor.

So, look for the sign of the Son of man first just before Christ's return. You'll have days, perhaps weeks to note it. And when you do the whole world is gonna freak because it will not have the power to stop the sign. We'll be in the stone age after the nuclear war, so no gee whiz NASA mission to strap a nuke to a shuttle to blow it up.

I am watching and expecting for the Lord Jesus to rapture His Bride any day soon ...............................benny

Sorry Benny the Lord tried to warn you. It didn't happen for it's founder Margaret McDonald and chances are it won't happen for you. Schofield and Darby are to blame for mutating and continuing her lies into the delusion that you trust in today. Remember that when you come into the presence of the Lord at the great white throne judgment.

So why put a poll up under false pretenses? The poll wasn't just to see what people believe. State your opinion/position, and let's discuss it (I know you subsequently stated your opinion/position).

I refuse to answer your poll because you didn't offer a "Do Not Know" option. You believe in Bible Codes, and I do not. However, let's chat again in four years. If you are correct, we will chat again in glory with our Lord and Savior, Praise God. If you are not correct, we can chat here.

I posted an entry on my blog back in June on this subject. See link: http://brightchristianfellowship.blogspot....-world-end.html

It's not given unto us to know the day and the hour, but with that being said, we are to watch for the signs of the times. IThess.5:4 But ye, brethern, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Vs.5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Vs. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. Mouser

In four Years it will be October 8. 2011

The Internet wont exist in 2011, I beleive.

America will be destroyed before Oct 8. 2011, I beleive - and so will Norway.

togarma may i ask why do you make such a haste predictions?. Seriously it does no good for anyone. You are the only one who is waiting for Jesus. People like me wanted Jesus to come soon. He will surely come. He wont come until all the things are passed. Such has coming of AC, rebuilding of third and final temple and Armagaddeon. There is already signs. The time is short. This sort of prediction people will just ignore because many of them predicated the world would end on 2000 and so on.

Also it is not up to you or anyone to say internet,america or norway wont exist. If they dont exist where would they go?.

I read the Bible-codes and I beleive in them.

www.exodus2006.com <<< That is where I get my predictions from - Biblecodes published online.
I understand that 99,99995% of Christians expected Jesus to return in Y2K - but he dident.


You ask where would Internet and America go?
Well, it will be destroyed, Atomic blast - *PooF*

But do not fear - Our saviour is comming between the last half of 2009 and the first half of 2010 - so get your lamps and oil together - we need to awake other christians before the trumphet sounds.

UNSURE, OF THE EXACT RETURN DATE OF MESSIAH. . . I know it will be before 2048, because of the
following information :

In the creation year 2048, Isaac was born.

THE PROFOUND REPEATED EVENTS IN PROPHECY, can be linked
to this Dream about :

~Annihilation of Earth 2048~, [ the following question I
ask Scott, who produces http://bibledates.com/ and
he told me .........this date is linked to > Isaac.
So proof again, that Bible repeated events in history
do connect to our subconscious DREAMS OF THE FUTURE !

Scott:

The date in 2048 is June 11th . . .
This dream below . . . I am sharing from a un-named
dreamer for your review.
Is the date June 11th, 2048 a event repeat of
any former prophecy Bible dates ?

DREAM : ~Annihilation of Earth 2048~, dated:10-30-06

...I saw a sheep's animal hide and/or cow hide, in a dried
animal skin of 6x4 size . . .[6x4 = 24]
The four animals sacrificed to create the animal skin were
holding the four corners of the hide and throwing the hide into
the air, like a pizza dough thrower.
Suddenly, the dried animal hide flipped over on its other
side in the air and the fire burnt letters engraved
on the hide read : THE WORLD WILL BE ANNIHILATED by 2048

And I was given my age in the future from 2006, until
2048 and the voice was correct in what age I would be at
that time.

crownsevenalphabet, June 11th is my birthday! So earth will be destroyed at the very lastest, on my birthday?

Don't laugh please.

California is burning down, floods and droughts are killing crops - honney bees have gone extinct and bumblebees are going extinct right now.

We are in the end-times and everything is happening right in front of our eyes.

The Lord is always present and has been, but the date of His intervention for the time of the end to execute His hour of trial is not revealed in Scripture. No one know this. We may be close to the beginning of His actions, but the time is still pending. When He does execute His wrath and judgments it will be very evident ..... all of what He will do will shake the world and there will be no question about His involvement and related tribulations. The period is the same as the 70th week decreed for national Israel. This 7 year time frame is the last of the 490 years decreed. The Lord will confirm this covenant by executing and completing the 70th week of this 7 year period. This is recorded in the 9th chapter of Daniel. The period will start without warning or signs. As it was in the days of Noah ..... it will come as a snare and there will be no recourse, The unbelieving world will not be expecting His intervention. [Revelation 6:12-17]

Flyingsquirrel : If you find other web links about dream's or vision's
relating to animal hide's. . . keep me posted. Also I am seeking
research about the (4) sacrificed animals, holding the skin's . . .

I am reposting the dream : Thanks for any help you find !

DREAM : ~Annihilation of Earth 2048~, dated:10-30-06

...I saw a sheep's animal hide and/or cow hide, in a dried
animal skin of 6x4 size . . .[6x4 = 24]
The four animals sacrificed to create the animal skin were
holding the four corners of the hide and throwing the hide into
the air, like a pizza dough thrower.
Suddenly, the dried animal hide flipped over on its other
side in the air and the fire burnt letters engraved
on the hide read : THE WORLD WILL BE ANNIHILATED by 2048

And I was given my age in the future from 2006, until
2048 and the voice was correct in what age I would be at
that time.

I guess that means There will be no 1000 year millineal reign of Christ if the world only has another thirty years. Personally, I still think we have some time, but not very much. The Key that I believe that began the Final generation, was not only Israel, but Jerusalem. Daniel's 70 week prophecy states 70 weeks are determined upon thy people and THE HOLY CITY. ISRAEL DID NOT HAVE CONTROL OF JERUSALEM UNTIL 1967. I BeliEve that was the start of the final Generation. I was 6 years old in 67.

[/indent] I also believe that the Lord gave us the Length of the last generation in Daniel 9:26

QUOTE

And after THREE SCORE and TWO WEEKS (NOT 69 WEEKS) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself....

[indent]

Now I know must of today's escatology states the messiah was "cut off" after 69 weeks, but that isn't what the Bible states. I believe the length of the last generation is 8 weeks of Years (ie. 56 years), with the final week being the time of Jacob's trouble, all UNDER THE NEW COVENANT. If my theory is correct, (and it is only a theory) that would put the seventieth week somewhere around 2017-2023, with the rise of the false Messiah around 2020. But like I said, it's just a theory.

Attention Joshleet :

Interesting, as I was reading this excerpt of yours, I reviewed your 70th week info of, 2017-2023.

(quote)
Now I know must of today's escatology states the messiah was "cut off" after 69 weeks, but that isn't what the Bible states. I believe the length of the last generation is 8 weeks of Years (ie. 56 years), with the final week being the time of Jacob's trouble, all UNDER THE NEW COVENANT. If my theory is correct, (and it is only a theory) that would put the seventieth week somewhere around 2017-2023, with the rise of the false Messiah around 2020. But like I said, it's just a theory.

Have you tracked the science available on the Saros, set next
for June 15th, 2011 ?


http://6666lunareclipsejune152011.blogspot.com/
Lunar Eclipse of Saros 130 @ June 15th, 2011


I have forwarded this research to a codes, experts :

So with the knowledge of computer tracking of cosmic repeated
prophecy of the Bible events . . . the big deal is the proof
of the pattern of, `The Lunar Eclipse of Saros 130`.
So be on watch for these patterns of rebuilding
of the Temple of Jerusalem, Messiah's return based on Jubilee
research via Hebrew and Cosmic Eclipse set for June 15th, 2011.


The cosmic patterns link to all these Biblical prophecies !

The Lord was "cut off" just after the end of the 69th week.

Daniel
9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

This is satan's beast and followers at the time of the end ..... not the Romans in 70 A.D.

"and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

There is nothing in the scope of visionary prophecy of events on the earth between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th. Nothing.

One 7' (7 years) is still pending and the scriptures do not give the start date. It is true that some of national Israel will be in the land at the time, but not all. They have been returning for over 100 years, but all of them on the earth will not be gathered to the land until after the 70th week is completed. All of the 70th week events will take place "within" a generation of national Israel living at the time on the earth, but there is no indication of the length of a "generation" that can be measured for determining the start date of the period in scripture. There is much speculation and related calculation, but the Lord has said that no one knows the time ..... He has not revealed it. It is possible that He could tarry for another 100 years and any attempt to calculate the length of a generation from 1948 or 1967 will have beem in error. In fact, neither of these events, although important, are in the scope of visionary prophecy, but occured between the end of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th ..... which is still pending.

It will be the Lord who will return and confirm the covenant of the 70 weeks of years by execution of the 70th. His actions will include allowing the other prince and his followers to invade the nation and occupy Jerusalem, and the temple mount. This will cause the believing remnant's worship to cease and they will flee the country to escape the other prince and for protection in the wilderness. The Lord's "confirming" will be done with the believing remnant of national Israel which will include the 144,000 Israelites. All six objectives listed in chapter 9 for this group will be realized by the end of the 70th week.

Daniel
9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This confirmation and the stated objectives have nothing to do with the "Church", but all for Daniel's people, the believing remnant of national Israel, at the time of the end.

Daniel
9:22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

9:23 At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

So you are tryin to say Jesus will return, confirm the convenant for 7 years, and then step aside and let the other prince(antichrist) to kill and destroy for 7 years.
First off the antichrist only has 31/2 years to do this. not seven. I don't know if you get your info from The Left Behind series or what. BUt the anti christ wont be in the public and known the whole seven years. His true Identity is not revealed until the AOD. I think its pretty clear the ac will work pretty much incognito up until he is revealed.
And to teach that JEsus returns and then steps aside is just obsurd and totally ubiblical. Trust the bible when it says the Day JEsus returns will not be a good day for the ac.
And you gotta remember Daniel and Ezeikel did not know of the church and could not have known that gentiles will be grafted into this people of God in the end. There is no doubt that the Jews are Gods chosen people and this refers to them, but grafted into means we are now are part of them. We are not different, but one. GRAFTED! The ac will go after them( the true root of david) and once God protects them he will go after us(the wild branches grafted in) and all whom keep Yahwehs word.But in no way do I and do not know anyone else whom believe YEshua will return only to step aside for 7 years. The bible makes it clear all happens at his second coming. Not third because there is none, and not 7 years after he gets here.