.Judas Iscariot was PROMISED a throne, in Heaven…………!!……..and Judas lost his salvation and his throne…………..!!

OSAS and Calvinism is not true…………..Judas lost his throne.

Matthew 19;28

Matthew, 27 Then Peter answering, said to him: Behold we have left all things, and have followed thee: what therefore shall we have? 28 And Jesus said to them: Amen, I say to you, that you, who have followed me, in the regeneration, when the Son of man shall sit on the seat of his majesty, you also shall sit on twelve seats judging the twelve tribes of Israel.


I think it always helps to post the verse.

..Yes KD, but even better if we look at all the Scripture about it:


Act 1:15 And in these days Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren, and said (and there was a multitude of persons gathered together, about a hundred and twenty),
Act 1:16 Brethren, it was needful that the Scripture should be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spake before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who was guide to them that took Jesus.
Act 1:17 For he was numbered among us, and received his portion in this ministry.
Act 1:18 (Now this man obtained a field with the reward of his iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.
Act 1:19 And it became known to all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch that in their language that field was called Akeldama, that is, The field of blood.)
Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, His office let another take.
Act 1:21 Of the men therefore that have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and went out among us,
Act 1:22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection.
Act 1:23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.
Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show of these two the one whom thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave lots for them; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

See? Matthias takes the place of Judas: Still twelve thrones. Jesus knew about Judas from the beginning.He also knew Matthias will eventually take his place.

Some people say that Matthias doesn't count, since he was not Chosen by God (he was chosen by a toss of the dice by the disciples BEFORE PENTECOST ACTS 2)................and we never hear of Matthias again

and

Paul is the 12th Apostle, who replaces Judas Iscariot.

But, i don't know,.............i've not figured that out.

P.S.
Paul was the apostle to the gentiles,...............Peter was the Apostle to the Jews,............the Bible tells us that.

and i am thinking.............Matthias was with the 120 in the upper room , on Acts 2 Pentecost (i think we can assume that),............and it says that they ALL spoke with tongues, including Mary

acts 1;14, 15
acts 2;4

While there are arguments against OSAS (as defined by some to be "Get saved once, sin all you want after that...just as long as you got your name on a card." I don't define it this way, BTW.), this is not one of the arguments. Judas revealed a heart of unbelief in that he was willing to steal:

John 12:
4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

Unbelief in his heart, i.e. lack of faith..."The just shall live by faith," revealed that while he spoke what he thought everyone wanted to hear, and apparently made a good show using the power of Jesus' name, he never entered into a saving-faith in Jesus Christ. He had no love for Jesus..."If you love me, keep my commandments." Since the disciples had no idea who should betray Jesus, he must have been used by God to deliver the same miracles that the other apostles did, which is a tribute to God's mercy toward those that sought God's touch.

Is there a lesson here for the "holders of the purse" mega-bucks ministries on TV and their leaders? It's definitely reason for examining one's self in the light of the scriptures.

1 Corinthians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you (past tense speaks volumes) : but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Thankfully, mercifully, justified in Christ,

Mike

Thanks.

1 Cor 9;27

"castaway" is the same greek word as "reprobate" in Romans chapter 1.

if Paul was afraid that he might become a reprobate, then,........obviously, a person can lose his salvation.

so,........ OSAS is not true.

in the OT, OBEDIENCE to God was the TEST of the faith.

and likewise , in the NT, OBEDIENCE is the TEST of our faith.

salvation is THROUGH faith, not by works.

God REQUIRES us to do works,............and we OBEY God because we BELIEVE God.

Salvation is through faith.

Hi Dennis, we can actually be sure that it was Matthias that took his place, as this section in Acts first say
1) Judas is now gone and lost
2 ) Lets find another to take his place.

Act 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms,(1) Let his habitation be made desolate, And let no man dwell therein: and, (2)His office let another take.

Then they prayed and asked God to show them (through the throwing of dice) who God wanted and God showed that Matthias must be the one to take the place of Judas

Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show of these two the one whom thou hast chosen,
Act 1:25 to take the place in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas fell away, that he might go to his own place.
Act 1:26 And they gave lots for them; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Its very clear from the context that God knew about the falling away of Judas, because God foretold it (as shown in the Psalms) and also clear that God showed them, that He wanted Matthias to be the one to take the place of Judas.

love C

If there be a person who is absolutely faithful and loving to Christ, how then is Christ betrayed by such a person? It is an unfaithful and unloving person who turns away from the Lord. A person can speak all they wish but it is the heart that is judged.

I judge not a single hair on Judas' head

Thanks.

notice that Acts 1 (the matthias deal) is the LAST TIME in Scripture that they tossed dice,..............after Acts 2, they were led by the Spirit, which is a BETTER covenant..........Before Acts 2, they were operating without/before the (NT way of ) the Spirit.

this is one reason why some people say that Paul is the 12th Apostle (not Matthias).

but, again, i don't know, and it may not be important to us

Yes , thanks Dennis, I see that too.


Mathias was definitely the guy that God chose to fill the Apostolic place in the Disciple group. Paul came much later onto the scene. As we can see in the Psalms, God said that "let another one take his place" and that the Bible quotes the very minute that God pointed out Matthias.

Look here at what was required Dennis. The person had to have been with them since the baptism of John until the ascension of Jesus (note that Paul was not, he only became a believer later in Acts)

Act 1:22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection.
Act 1:23 And they put forward two, Joseph called Barsabbas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

You see, they were looking for somebody who would be able to a witness with them of His resurrection (Paul was not such a person)
C

thanks.

i hadn't thought of that.

and , also, .............the Risen Jesus did appear to Paul.
but paul was not there at john's baptism of jesus (i assume)

see 2 cor 8;23
and phillipians 2;25

the 12 are the OFFICIAL apostles...............others were "un-official" apostles,..........or something like that

You are right Dennis.
There are more than 12 Apostles. I know what you mean by "official", yes, the first Apostles were the ones that witnessed the resurrection. Paul was added later.
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ἀπόστολος
apostolos
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From G649; a delegate; specifically an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ (“apostle”), (with miraculous powers): - apostle, messenger, he that is sent.

Note: Not all Apostles wrote something that is recorded in the Bible.