To all who are concerned, I recently posted a message on another message board---BibleStudywithJewishRoots

this was my message:

What are your thoughts on Bible Codes, Kim? Have you ever seen this site before?: http://www.bible-codes.org/ I have not really had time to investigate his claims yet, but I did find it interesting. I was hoping those in this group would possibly have some insights to share.

and this was my response:

Dears:

My main comment about the web site is that the codes pertaining to the
'pictures' drawn from a code derived from the KJV Bible is suspect.
Mainly, because with careful study of the Word, one realizes that KJV
is very flawed in its translation. To derive a code from a poor
translation of a Greek translation which may not be the original..is not
wisdom. Would the Lord use this Bible for a picture code, but at the
same time it continues to be a bad translation of the original Word?

The other point is that they seem to be trying to prove doctrines or
beliefs they already have when referring to end times and Russia or
China, descriptions of words etc. Why no mention of Middle Eastern
nations? These are the nations the Lord refers to in the books of the
Prophets.

Now, on the other hand..they seem to have a long list of Hebrew names
and their meanings which is worth a look. I do not agree with all of
their stated interprtations, however..

So then, what is the point of Bible codes? To prove the Word correct? To
reveal some date, time or event..before it happens? Then the question
is... why bother? What do you all think? I can tell you that
generally, the Rabbis caution against it. Kim


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I am hoping to compare responses from both message boards on this topic

The real question is why would God use anything flawed --- like you or me? It is because He demonstrates his grace thereby.

Codes in the English Bible, whatever the translation, is a demonstration of his grace and desire to reach out to men to let them know that He is there.

You may say that we have the bible plainly written for that purpose.

This is true, but God uses all kinds of other ways to get the attention of men so that they will eventually believe on the bible and read it and be saved by putting their trust in the one about whom it speaks --- Jesus Christ. Picture Bible Codes are just one more example of the arm of the Lord reaching out to men --- even using the flawed KJV.

Note that the author of those codes (myself) does not claim to prove that the KJV is inspired. He claims that God can and does use all things to proclaim His name.

This is what I have come to believe. However, others are free to disagre. It is one of those issues we can all debate.

Shekel,

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16

Dani

Distant Thunder,

The picture codes that Shekel has illuminated to us on this site clearly reveal God’s use of what man considers imperfect. In fact, that’s the primary and rudimentary revelation of these codes. Remember that the main message of Proverbs is how the wisdom of man is folly onto God, while the Wisdom of God appears folly onto man. In fact, “imperfection”, that is, our “inadequacy” is portrayed in the Gospels as our first and foremost requirement in coming to the Lord. God adamantly prefers to use the imperfect, the broken and the flawed, rather than the perfected, for those who believe they are perfect do not need God, for their self-perfection is a wedge between them and God… ALL fall short of the Glory of God, even Christians cannot forget this fact least they risk going down the road of self-deception that will separate them from God.

Generally speaking, people underestimate God, and overlook the notion that what may be mortally perceived as a “flaw” is somehow disqualified by God for His profound use and purposes. This couldn’t be further from the Truth. Flaws are not a limitation onto the Lord of the Universe. Yet, He used “chosen” people that were “flawed”. Moses questioned God why He should use him to lead a People, for Moses said he was slow of speech, and he murdered a man. Abram (Abraham) perceived his great age as an obstacle to God’s purpose to use him as a “Father of Multitudes”, for the virility of his youth to father children had long passed away into oblivion, and the womb of his wife, Sara (Sarah) was barren. The harlot, Rahab, a woman of the night, is in the very bloodline of Christ Jesus.

If anything one can say God is the Foremost Expert at using the flawed as part of His Master Plan Design, nothing is withheld from His use and purposes… absolutely nothing at all.

Blessings,

- THE SEVEN THUNDERS

Well said!

I never looked at it exactly like that, but I think that you are right.

I was at my uncle's funeral today. He was miraculously kept alive until reconcilliation could be made among his family members. He only got saved about 4 months ago and died at the age of 89.

I looked around at all those there, and many are coming to the Lord whom I thought would never come --- all the misfits of the family seem to be softening.

God uses imperfect people, and I am a perfect example of this!


You know, about the Hebrew bible, it can be proven beyond doubt that the Hebrew text has had thousands of vowels inserted that do not change the meaning any, but do greatly alter a code. This occured around the time of Jesus. I have always viewed this as an example of both the grace and power of God. Grace, using imperfect men, power, because it meant that God was in control of which vowels they inserted and where. It is interesting that one of the lines that goes though the actual surface text on the English Bible Code is the verse, "You do not know the Scriptures, nor the power of God!" H

ow apropriate!

This is the kind of power I believe that God is exhibiting thoughout creation if we had our eyes opened to see it.

I have found this true of the numbers also. (As I explain in my numbers website.) It can be proven that there are several "mistakes" in the bible numerically. (No honest scholar would say otherwise.) The Hebrew text differs from the New Testament at several places in its chronology because the New Testament often used Greek manuscripts (LXX) rather than the original Hebrew (OT).

However, if you allow for the mistakes and compare the results of the several differing chronologies one finds a great miracle --- all of them compliment one another in the most astonishing patterns.
To me that is God making straight what man is crooked. Impossible, says the book of Ecclesiastes; but possible says Jesus, "For with men this is impossible, but with God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!"

I so agree with this. Where people have made the claim that the Bible is no reliable because there are "mistakes" God has proven the opposite and has continued to "confound the "wise" "

When I looked at the code in the KJV I saw how the Word is alive and well able to "shake" Itself right, after each "tampering" God simple moved the Word into position again, because it is spirit, that is being carried by letters.
When you see it, it becomes a bigger miracle that having managed to produce one "perfect" Book, that has gone through no changes. Having gone through what man thinks to be mistakes, God proves His almighty power to those who are willing to see this.
Thanks Shekel for being a willing part in this great revelation

C

And yet he shows us two owls....I think of two hands folded together...


And he's pulling them apart to differentiate the two..Beginning in the right...ending in the left...
Do you see it?

Seven...what's been mixed up for so long is coming to light.

Some won't deal with the mixing in there own life...You can't read these codes in honesty and not see it. Especially the new ones. I'm not the only one plagued with this...Some of you have never admitted the entrance of these things into your life and walk. You've continued on with a good front but you infect those around you.. Better to be honest so that those listening can proceed with due caution.

Even some of the best of you suffer with your allegorical approach to everything...God circumcises the flesh but l think he's circumcising the spirit as well. It's evidenced in the combating owls...saying "Let my people go!"

I wondered why God would make such a show in the heavenlies and only those privy to this website with eyes would see it??

But then he began to show me other things totally disconnected to this website. Like Familar Spirits that operate in a persons life and they are totally unaware of it. They are confused in spiritual matters and don't understand why and the church isn't helping because they don't understand either. Some people have put this under wraps but God is saying no...I'm bringing this to light and l'm going to deal with it.

The battle belongs to the Lord.

I know a lot of you want to get on your pulpit and blame the church...and there is some responsibility there but sin is generational so who are you really going to blame?

God is fighting the battle on behalf of his people and causing those with rose colored glasses to see the reality of the engagement they are locked in..

and don't even fully know it.

But he's opening eyes.

If this frightens you it should.

Walk right... in love and forgivness. Some need to focus on strengths. Others need to focus on weakness ...as an exercise in humility..

All our individual walks are uniquely different. Like snow flakes, not any two are alike. Comparisons cannot be made. Commonalities cannot be deliniated. This versatility is the beauty of God's Creation. It is the law of His Universe. The only common thread is God, upon which all the diversity of the whole Creation is focused.

And yet there's nothing new under the sun...

One time God showed me the circumstances in the lives of a man and women l know. He revealed to me something that happened to them over a period of years was not unlike what happened to me. But the circumstances were totally and completely different. No one would ever see it but the Lord revealed it to me so l could forgive and understand. Also to love them in a new way.. It was a precious experience for me and a lesson l will not soon forget. We aren't so different after all. The outward circumstances yes but together we reach a common inward goal in one accord.

we do not have a common goal one way or the other...

we have God through Jesus Christ that is our inheritance, and those
that are in Christ are our family.

I read through both books, The Bible Code and The Bible Code 2. I always thought them to be somewhat interesting, yet at the sametime rather uninformed. To me their legitimacy is relateable to claims that Bush is the antichrist. Slim pickings for interesting material.

???

These where Christian brother and sister...

God revealed something about there lives to me. It helped me have compassion, understanding, love and forgivness for them...as l had been struggling with a hurt.

What he showed me ran parallel to a life experience l had had. It gave me a new understanding of them.

Outward circumstances can look very different but as Christians God is teaching us all the same lessons...just with different circumstances. Like snowflakes and yet there is nothing new under the sun.

ANd we must always remember and never forget...that what was written on the CROSS spoke to all men and all women of all langauges. NAME above all names...God's blessings to you and may the LORD continue to do HIS mighty work within you. Amen

Dear Shekel and others,

while i agree it all being wonderful helping hands of god
None not even on this site have the whole, what they have
are parts of a puzzle, what is needed is( i need to use a word and words here
that are limited ) a framework.

even els code work does not have a frame work skiping letters is not a frame work.

not even the picture code, a frame work is the decoder but it works more ways
then the usual decoders, it does go from the pieces of the puzzle to the outer text
but it should also go from the outer text to the inner in such a way that you could

trace cause and effect in a way, it should be all logic and traceable.
this structure should be able to spell out the whole text and the whole text spell out
the structure as one whole.

please forgive me for the word use,but the text uses the known to describe the unknown
or unseen, do not forget that important fact parabols!

let me give an other exsample of the many traps, when talked about a measure
for instance to build the ark then we build it in our mind, but if we see the ark as a verhicle
to tell a story then you see the ark describes life with all its influences and ups and downs

the feeling of being rutherless eventually reaching on top of the mountain the highest you can get!
where the negative is released and life lived in the goodness of the heart
then the holy spirit........

but even this deeper story must be a verhicle and eventually you need to come to
a structure that is so pure that there is no more room for interpretation

numbers are such thing, but again verhicles, for most of you the speak the language of quantity
but they have a quality too.

some might say ok the kabballa has such strukture, but that is a verhicle too
the tree of good and bad, and the tree of life
its fruit could be seen as those pieces of that great puzzle

but the tree? that tree that holds all the fruits?
on them you should place all those pieces
and see that all is perfect.

moshiya de broek