i haven't read all the posts, so sorry if I overlap.

It seems to me that she has eyes in the back of her head.

I.e. she sees in all directions and doesn't miss a trick.

The red glasses make me think she has infra-red vision.......can see in the night.

Marcus! I was just thinking of you last night saying to myself "l wish Marcus was here to see the KJV code." I kid you not! Especially the part about the Wave dream...

I like that idea of infra red...seeing at night..Wow. Yes...read how we've finally discerned the TWO owls..It's incorporated in this. Good to hear from you! Eyes in the back of the head...will have to look again..

Hi Miki. well, I'm pleased to hear from you too.
Its good to see you are well and thriving.


Can you tell me more about the 2 owls please?

Just looking at the twin images,of the owls and the woman's face, both are 180 degree rotations of the original image.

180 degrees is associated with the difference between day and night.

So lots of night motifs here.

Also notice in this image how the owls seemed to be fighting over the eyes..

Double vision!

Who's eyes are we going to see through?


http://bible-codes.org/english_KJV-picture_bible_code.htm
I detest double vision...and it's a symptom of migraines too and how they start... Which makes my mind race on a personal issue l know about... humm..

anyway..



The trigger mechanism for this seems to be ... at the base of the brain?

Maybe the symptoms of a war in an individuals life made manifest for reasons not quite yet fully understood.

The dueling birds fighting for control manifesting physical symptoms...I don't think l'm stretching it...

Corrective lenses fix the problem as with my youngest son Danny. When he was 5, If l remember correctly, he was given a patch to ware to strengthen the week eye. Another term for this is "lazy eye". And yet another term...cross eyes... Do l want to keep going with this?

Some of this could manifest physically but what l think might be implied here is simply a picture of something happening in the spiritual realm and a physical description to help us have a better understanding. Thanks for stopping by Marcus!


Testify....

and jump for joy...It's almost over...

http://www.kellogg.umich.edu/patientcare/c...s/diplopia.html



Perhaps those pathways are seared as with a hot iron humm?



Do you have a wandering eye? Try to read but you get sickly symptoms? God's getting ready to fix it!

Many just need to exercise a little... Others will need a skilled surgical physician to cut at strategic points..

Help is on the way!! Jesus is our great physician!

My speculative conclusion over the last 4 years on this forum which really began with "The Wave" dream is that the breaking water...the wave... won't be the beginning of tribulation but an event that will set the true labor pains in motion...what we are experiencing now is Braxton Hicks but once the water breaks there will be no turning back. (http://pregnancy.about.com/cs/laborbasics/a/bhctx.htm Go here if you don't know what Braxton Hicks are.)

My speculation is, that as Benny has stated and as l long ago have thought...
That Isaiah 17:1 will trigger the breaking of the waters.

I don't however think the rapture will happen before this...or even at this time...I also don't think this is Ezekiel 38 but a precursor to.



Some will be more effected by this than others. Remember the retaliation promises of the enemy.

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On a more personal note. I'm moving. We sold our house and are relocating to an area in the Puget Sound area known as the "Blue Hole" It is called that because it is in the rain shadow of the Olympic Mountains.

This is a move in God's will and he is opening an awesome ministry opportunity for me. I will have much more in the coming weeks and months. I may be off line some in October because of the need to change servers and all that goes with a move. I'm not in the center of the hole but along the inner wall. I will get about 30 inches less rain a year behind "one of the few temperate rain forests in the world, and also the largest. It is located on the Olympic Peninsula"

OHHHH. That's great! The stony growths... are coming out.

Shekel's codes always seem quite rarified, but I'm looking forward to his further explanations.

I was thinking along these lines


1 Thessalonians 5
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Sometimes we get so involved in our Christian circles we forget what dullness is...That scripture should keep us from infighting and look out into the world and blow a horn.

As a side note: After the water breaks there's a brief interim before the onslaught of hard labor. I drove myself to the hospital after my water broke. Even though there is no hard labor...psychologically it has begun...

'after the water breaks'......very apt Miki

notice the TETH in this picture...why did you post this picture Miki? just wondering.

like you Miki, fascinated in equal measures by the Code and the lack of engagement with it.


Jhn 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two [men] in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

still lots to look at...........

still eagerly anticipating Shekel's next post............

Is this about the Church, the Woman, being invested with exceptional powers of discernment?
Is a time coming when prophecy will be with exceptional specifcity?
When safe refuge for true Christians is hard to find?

I was just reading your post here and wanted to share something that God has just recently revealed to me:

Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

And Luke 17:34-36

34I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

35Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

36Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Why are these examples used by Jesus?


The "field" is in strongs concordance as #68 and means: country, farm, piece of ground, land.
It goes hand in hand with the verses about being in the field and not turning back, in Luke 9:62 "But Jesus said to him, “No one, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.”"
So, this field is the field of the harvest (where we are workers).

The two grinding at the mill is strongs #224 and means: from aleo (to grind); flour, meal.
This is what you are getting during planting and sewing God's word (In the field), it is more of the fruit of the gospel, which is Christ, the bread of life. (which is from flour as a result of grinding)

The last one was the most difficult, because in this era, we look at 2 in a bed in a certain way, but this word in the greek is strongs# 2825. kline (klee'-nay) from klino; a couch (for sleep, sickness, sitting or eating) bed, table. (a place for eating the bread)

Remember the picture that we see as we hear this account of John:
John 13:23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved. 24 Simon Peter therefore motioned to him to ask who it was of whom He spoke.
25 Then, leaning back on Jesus’ breast, he said to Him, “Lord, who is it? 26 Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give a piece of bread when I have dipped it.”

Can you just see this "couch" (bed) that they are sitting on and eating, as they feed on the bread of life.
The "bed" is also a place that some have fallen asleep or are sick (spiritually)

Of course, the story here is also that these examples are showing us that there are wheat and tares, and that there are many actively "working" in the harvest right beside us thinking that they know the master, but there will be many that will be astonished as they are left outside of the wedding chamber. Here they are! Working side-by-side, with the elect and yet, Jesus tells
us so plainly that "one will be taken and the other left".

Be Blessed,
In Christ,
Chris

I really like that Chris.

and I see the easiest straight forward application...

there are people who knock on doors (mormons, jehovah's witnesses, etc) ... and they "work", essentially, side by side, with the Lord's workers...

Thanks Chris, you've shown something to me,
and made me aware.






From John 9, are we to understand that a time is coming when the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the World?


Jhn 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Yes .... Having a form of Godliness but denying the power there of! Only a look alike on the outward
appearance..

Matthew 15:8

This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Miki for some reason Chris's post reminded me of your time in Tahoe... the vacation home and the cross;and the JW woman on the other side of you. Having a form of Godliness... but denying the power.

Your Friend in Christ,
Val

Messiahiscoming

Im almost completely convinced that this group of people (tares) are the harlot of Revelation.
Its a funny thing about tares, from what I understand of them, while they are growing they look exactly
like wheat and it isn't until the wheat is ready to be harvested that the difference between the two can be seen. God made all these things so perfectly to fit His plan! He is so awesome and powerful!

Yours In Christ,
Chris

Yes Messiah, that ties in too........

[quote]

You're getting ahead of me Chris, you can say more

The code mentions a Whore House.....presumably that is to do with the purple and scarlet Harlot.

Another thing mentioned by Shekel is Noah and the 120 years.
the 120 years was the period when God's Spirit no longer strove with mankind........which makes me think again of God withdrawing his Spirit.

When God withdraws his Spirit, then lies can abound and Deception can flourish.
Again, that would seem to tie in with the Great Delusion God will send.

Still waiting for Shekel to add to his Code site

wernotalone,

That picture reminded me of something in general... that's why l posted it.

I won't elaborate on it now.
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After the water breaks there is a brief pause...Then no cleaning and sweeping like women often do right before the baby is born...Once hard labor starts we won't be up and doing.

My prayer partner and l were talking about this very thing yesterday during our prayer time...We were discussing the fact that it's one thing to prophesy and talk about the upcoming events...but quite another thing to actually live them. I continue to believe a chastisement is coming before anybody goes anyplace... ...but the Holy Spirit will then rush to finish in that brief interlude.... before hard labor begins...

I'm reminded of my trip to the red woods and how l limped home in a broken car having to trust being able to hear his voice as my son and eye entered rush our traffic (on 9/11)...Everyone rushing to get home...

Saying you are going to do natural child birth and doing it are two different things. Many do it. But most scream for drugs...So when we talk about "getting ready" I believe that an added benefit of being forewarned by the Lord is to get our selves pyscologically ready as well as spiritually and physically (if you feel called to do that part)

As l prayed with my prayer partner about "getting truly ready"...saying to the Lord..."Lord...are we really ready for this?" She had a vision of me holding a shriveled up person in my arms...I know who the person was but it doesn't matter...Let's just say it was a type of Jacob...But the person was all withered and shriveled..emaciated...(It was symbolic) That's how we need to make ourselves ready...to hold up the weak ones..I could feel a heavy burden all while we prayed yesterday... I thought it might be because the Lord sees so much more of what is coming and we are often clinical and glib when we discuss prophetic events. But are we really ready? (Remember labor girls.)

As far as the above scripture...We are the salt (or light) because of He who's in us. When finally we are taken out of the world the Spirit will no longer speak through us...We won't be hands and feet helping a hurting world BUT! I've always believed that the Spirit will still be available...in the 144,000 and received into every new believer..Doesn't mean l'm right but it makes logical sense.
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I do remember the JW women from my trip Val...I've wondered about it..That God would use it as a type along side the vacationing church... To different condos..same yard..
It's scary and sad for people who have been deceived...But hope is coming...

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Chris..Yes.. At the fullness we will know because when the rain comes and the fruit is on the vine the wheat bow down but the tare remain upright. (maybe to proud to bow down huh?) Sheep tails hang down...goat tails stand straight up...





Marcus...nothing ventured...nothing gained.

I think the codes are just too much for some people..even Christians to take in. It scares them to know they can't fit God into a neat little box. I think the Lord may want this to travel slowly..to seep into people and grow. There will be a time when there is no denying anything..praise Him!

Im not sure that it means that He will take His Spirit completely out of this world, It sounds more like He is saying that the ruler of this world is coming and when he comes, the light will be scarce.

John 14:30
I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.

John 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.


The night is coming for many.

John 11:9 Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, (the light of Christ)he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if one walks in the night, (with the ruler of darkness) he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”

1 Thessalonians 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5
You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

Its all where you are standing, the daylight will be scarcer and scarcer as the time of Christ comes to be revealed.

In CHrist,
Chris

Shekel wrote:
She is "the wife of the Lamb"! (Rev. 21:9.) (For the earrings that she wears, see Ezek. 16:12. She also wears a veil not seen in this image.). She is a seeress (prophetess), therefore notice the red-tinted glasses of the "seer", for she will be given glasses {enablement} to see! (The glasses are angled so as to invite you to look through them yourself, that is, you are looking from behind the prophetess through her glasses.)

Indeed, God will grant her eyes to see Yesu ("seers"/glasses), "and an ear" to hear Yeshua ("here-ing aid"), a nose to smell that which is sweet like "mint" but also to smell that which is "hated", and a mouth to prophesy Jesus to the four corners of the earth. (The three spellings of Jesus are perfectly located at the four main senses of the head, that is, the sight, hearing, taste and smell. The word Jesus is not located anywhere else in this code!)


my thoughts:
the great PROPHETS of the OT.............WHERE ARE THE GREAT PROPHETS OF THE NT?

did we have SAMPSON about 500 AD?

did we have an ELIJAH and ELISHA, about 1000 AD?

did we have an ISAIAH about 1500AD?.........no

did we have GREAT BOOKS . like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Psalms?????.........during the 2000 years of the NT?.....no..........the books and GREAT FAMOUS PROPHETS stopped at about 95 AD, when John wrote REVELATIONS?????????????

SHEKEL said that , in the last days, the SEERESS (the church) will """""""prophesy Jesus to the four corners of the earth."""""""""!!
Wow!

Why did we have 1900 years of silence, and then, a PROPHETESS in the last few days?

the OT Saints did NOT have the NT books,..and they were not INDWELT BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, ......so, they had handicaps that we don't have.

we NT SAINTS are far better off than the OT SAINTS were, all things considered,.......because we had the WHOLE TEXT OF THE BIBLE, and we had the HOLY SPIRIT.

so, why will the SEERESS PROPHESY in the last days?

if God is withdrawing HIS SPIRIT from most churches in North America, where is the SEERESS (CHURCH)?

does that mean that there's ONLY a tiny, tiny few in North America who are saved?

maybe, this SEERESS will be a WAKE-UP CALL to the dead churches (and the un-churched), in the last days...............they will SEE a difference between the believer and the un-believer.


and, i should add,,,,,,,,we will promote the Name of Christ, not the believers, the church or the SEERESS.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Paul, Timothy, James, Peter, Stephen,... anyone who did, does, and will preach Jesus Christ.


Revelation 19:10
For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

I am understanding the emphasis to be on work. The night comes when no-one can work.
In Matthew 24 Jesus said, the Gospel will be preached to the 4 ends of the World, and then the End will come.

So I'm thinking that once the Holy Spirit has completed the Great Commission, so to speak, it withdraws.

In Thessalonians, notice that it is God who actively sends the strong delusion.................the Holy spirit is the spirit of Truth, and does not lie.................

Show me by direct quote in the code through Shekels mouth where it says the prophetess is the

Dennis you added the word church in (parenthesis) after the word seeress. Shekel didn't say that?The Church and Israel in scripture are two different things...

This code (and maybe l'm wrong) says the prophetess is the 144,000. It shows them being sealed in a time frame relationally with Noah..

My goodness folks...Isn't this Rachel?

Jacob takes two wives.

We are Leah...

Doesn't this speak of the beautification before the wedding of his second bride?

As l said before; WE (the church) already see through a glass darkly. Right?

Aren't we already in the ark?

quote from Shekel:
The great horned owl image is overlapping the ear and eyes and mouth of the prophetess
emphasizing that she (the Church) has, and will, be given an ear to hear
and eyes to see and a mouth to speak prophetically in the last days.
Metaphorically speaking, she will be given wings to fly!

un-quote

http://www.bible-codes.org/english_KJV-pic..._bible_code.htm

let me speculate and guess, for just a minute...........

the Church will be given a mouth to speak, and ears to hear, and eyes to see, and wings to fly,.............to PREACH THE GOSPEL

and at the same time, God is sending SIGNS FROM GOD, (and like Shekel told us,), the SIGNS/DISASTERS will become increasingly more disastrous, blatant, obvious, and frequent ,,, as time goes along.

and at the end of this series of SIGNS, the SIGNS will become so OBVIOUS that EVERY PERSON (including those who've never heard the Gospel) will know that the SIGNS are from God.

so, the Church will preach in a SUPER-NATURAL WAY, and the SIGNS will be GREAT!............and every gentile that is willing ......will be saved........

and, then, the TIMES OF THE GENTILES ARE FINISHED.

then, the Rapture?

the jews and gentiles who failed to believe, will enter the Trib and deal with the a/c.............

and Shekel has told us........the 144,000 will be sealed at mid-trib.

ok..its more hopeful..for us anyway.

I know that many of us have some pretty strong opinions about these end times and what the Bible is saying with regard to them.

But please, if I may just, in the kindest and gentlest way, say that these kinds of beliefs that are here in
quotations have been around for a very long time. And though they have been around so long, they are
not quite accurate.

For example:
This is a very common belief that there is going to be an up-coming tribulation and that "the anti-christ"
will very suddenly appear.

The tribulation has been spoken of since the apostles began writing the NT.
Acts 14:22 “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”
Acts 20:23
except that the Holy Spirit testifies in every city, saying that chains and tribulations await me.
Romans 5:3
And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 12:12
rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;
2 Corinthians 1:4
who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble,
2 Corinthians 6:4
But in all things we commend ourselves as ministers of God: in much patience, in tribulations, in needs, in distresses,
2 Cor 7:4 I am exceedingly joyful in all our tribulation.
1 Thessalonians 3:4
For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know.
2 Thessalonians 1:4
so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,
Hebrews 10:33
partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations,
Rev 1:9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ,

Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues[/b],(this is signifying an incredibly large group of people from throughout the history of the church) standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:


“ Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, [b]“Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, [b]“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, (from stephen, to the last christian to suffer persecution) and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

So, please see that the "tribulation" is not a short, one-time event that is going to take place, but rather a very large scale event that spans the church, that many or "a great multitude" come out of.

Second issue is the anti-christ. Dont have time right now to go in-depth (going away with the family shortly)
but the anti-christ is not a person, it is a false religion or many that believe a lie and teach the lie that they have learned. Yes, the head of this false gospel is the devil (I hate giving this guy any air time!)
But, consider this verse:
Rev 12:12b Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth,
he persecuted the woman (the church) who gave birth to the male Child[/b[b]].(Christ in us) 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.

What is this "spewed water"? Remember the woman at the well, Jesus tells her:“Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

The devil always wants to bring a counterfiet that looks like the real thing, but is a fake and a phony.
He triesto do the very same thing here as he "spews water" that is a false gospel, instead of the "living water" that Christ promises, the devil brings a flood of false teaching and false "living water" which is another christ, to the church/the woman.

There are many ambassadors of the devil that are bringing these false doctrines and they are, and have been throughout the ages, the anti-christ.

Blessings
In Christ,
Chris

thanks, very interesting,

when is "DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK"?

when is the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE?

who is the MAN OF SIN?.....THE SON OF PERDITION?....... 2 thess 2;3

if you're right, then, is a LOT OF SHEKEL'S POSTS, ARTICLES, AND BIBLE-CODES....... WRONG?

i have great confidence in Shekel.

who is the VILE PERSON?.......daniel 11;21

who is the beast?.........rev 13

who is the harlot?..........rev 17,18

ANTICHRIST will rule the world for a short period.........rev 17;10

he will be overthrown by God .........rev 16;14

rev 19

i think that ANTICHRIST will be a man, possessed and controlled by satan.
Shekel said that he will soon appear on the world stage.

Islam......Judaism. Two antichrists by this definition.

'that antichrist shall come'.......sounds to me like a separate entity from the other antichrists.

i knew that ISLAM was ANTICHRIST (1 John 2;22),.........but i hadn't thought of Judaism the same way.

and, of course, ALL NON-CHRISTIANS would fall into that category, i guess.

http://bible-codes.org/english_KJV-picture_bible_code.htm



See what l don't get is that above it seems to be describing the 144,000...even numerically implied (since l don't do math) And the fact they are veiled...because we don't know who they are. yet...But then you might also say that if it's us..... we are seeing through a veil (a glass darkly) So it can be seen both ways..?

So when it says she sees the seal of salvation...Jesus is the seal...right? That's what makes me think this is Israel... We already see Jesus..I'm thinking that Shekel when he used the word (church) in parenthesis was refering to the remnant Israel? Am l missing something?? Maybe l should go back and reread everything...She's even standing in Israel to see the danger coming from North..(NW)...

Now maybe we are seeing through her eyes because we are grafted in so it positions us to see from that perspective?..


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I have something to say about the antichrist...

I had a dream a couple of days ago. Very clear..and since l don't dream often l pay attention. It was short. One scene. It was symbolic.

I was looking out a window (there's that 'looking out the window' thing again) I saw my two cats. I have a grey tabby and a fat black and white cat.

A Stag (buck deer) came into the yard. (My black and white cat is very trusting in reality) She walked right up to the stag and went against it's legs. The stag had it's back to me and l noticed l couldn't see it's tail...It was hidden tight against it's body. For some reason l noticed . (Out in this part of the woods we look to see if it's a white tail or black tail dear.)

With out warning the Stag bent down over the top of my cat and trapped it. It growled and killed my cat instantly with it's teeth..I saw...They were the teeth of a man...There was a little more but don't think it's significant at this point.

Interpretation...God has used this cat twice before with me to represent the fat church operating within it's two natures...unrefined...incomplete...But before you rush to judgement he showed me his absolute love for this cat despite her condition....That he holds her and weeps over her...

In this dream...l was also "In the House" "seeing" what was happening "outside below" the window.

That black and white cat didn't discern the danger...but my other cat...the tabby...the one that is more in keeping to her origins (the original) doesn't trust a thing..she stayed near the house..under the eves.

Could l see this as a picture of the last days of those that are left behind to encounter the antichrist? Yes l could...The Jewish church and the lukewarm church...No doubt.. As l have written out this interpretation God has reveal more and still is but l will keep it short. I think this is a significant warning. Here's the picture National Geografic used when talking about the original cat. (My cats are litter mates)


This dream was realistic and disturbing and l've resisted posting it...but as you guys steered the topic l felt it should be spoken of.

After l had the dream l googled 'two natures'...I came up with the best article. It's long so l won't post it but here the link...Even as l read l could see the things we have been discussing here and knew the Lord wanted me to read the article...

http://www.pbministries.org/Theology/Davis...doctrine_10.htm

See too me this is what is posted through Shekel. The war in the heavenlies for the crown..What crown? Well...what crown do you think? Heres a couple of clips from Huckabees article:



And this:




And the answer? What crown?





This is a fascinating article and website...

double vision...

It's funny...Last spring l got a pair of driving glasses..They are over the counter perscription glasses but they are also sun glasses. It's really hard to find good ones. I was waring them well before the code came out... 1.25..for anybody that uses readers...

Well recently l moved a different clock into the room at night because l don't have the glow in the dark one anymore. When l try to see the time at night it's double vision unless l grab my sunglasses readers and put them on... then l see with a single eye and "know the time."

Things just keep coming into a clearer focus...BUT....not until l speak. It remains to be seen only in part until l open my mouth and as l do it begins to come into focus...

In this dream l was behind the setting...looking out a window...These three creatures had their backs to me.

Shekel says;http://www.bible-codes.org/english_KJV-picture_bible_code.htm

Faith..."Get up and walk" We have to act on it.

ISRAEL (the JEWS) could be the Church (or in the Church),.............if they would stop rejecting the Messiah.

some Jews have accepted Jesus .........and they are in the Church.

Paul was a Jew, who is in the Church...........Paul became a christian.

Will Jesus give to ISRAEL (un-believers) ........wings to fly?..........i doubt it...........but God and Shekel have the last word.

This is the LORD'S battle...........and it's Shekel's ministry............the LORD chose Shekel to bring us this wonderful Word.

Thank You, Lord Jesus.

and thanks to shekel.

thanks...good thought Dennis.

But here you said;



Yes Dennis...because he opens the eyes and seals 144,000 or them and carries them into the desert to hide them away from the antichrist.

What God sealed can man open? No...at least until the season is ripe as in the revealing of the code.

Who is hidden in the wilderness? Why would he hide the 144,000 when they're suppose to be bringing the gospel ... preaching to the four corners of the earth? Maybe the remnant that sees and are told to flee even from the roof tops...at the moment he steps into the temple and declares himself God..?

There are 1/3 left after being ravished with chastisment...Is that who flees? If they don't and continue to trust he will kill them instantly with his human teeth.

Yes Miki.... this later statement is how I see it. I enjoyed reading your post on the 2 natures.... very interesting. Your comment on the Lord revealing more to you as you speak is something that I have found in my own life as well. When I read your comment about it I was reminded of the Israelites crossing the Jordan River.

In Joshua chapter 3 the Lord was about to Magnify Joshua in the site of the Israelites to show them that He would be with Joshua as a leader ....just as He was with Moses. The Lord commanded Joshua to speak to the Israelites and told them the instructions for crossing the River. The River did not part until 1 member from each tribe was called ou....t and then the priests carrying the Ark were standing in the water. They had to act ....and then the miracle of the River parting took place. Just as you said that we have to get up and walk!
We have to act on it!

Your Friend in Christ,
Val
Messiahiscoming

i was thinking..........the 144,000 are BELIEVERS at the time of the sealing........they may not be believers NOW.

If you read the story about Leah and Rachel ( Israel and the NT believers) you will see our future and history there , revealed between those ancient pages.

Thanks Val for your example...It must be this way in many things when it comes to faith. That entire article was good but l'm still in a slight personal struggle with it.

Dennis...we aren't exactly sure when the sealing takes place. We speculate based on what we know of scripture and obviously we try to "type" it...God will show us what he wants. But we have to ask ourselves how much we're willing to seek him for and how much are we willing to receive? The voice of the Lord is a Loud horn..who can hear it?

C...I've always seen Leah as the second choice based on a lot of different things. It could be that stories and "types" overlap. I try to look generally when it comes to types and parables..otherwise it's easy to get off on tangents. If they do overlap...and l have a suspicion they do...It's not for my mind to receive it now. I struggle with the original..let alone layer something over the top.

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I struggle with double vision...black and white...the two natures of man... two owls and all the details there with. I don't want to be spit out. What if l'm spit out? Is spit out just chastisement or is it eternal?

How much sin is ok? I'm not pure. Will God make me any purer than he already has with his blood for my sin? If l could be pure why would he need to die? Will l stay on the road? It's harder to run in the third trimester. Am l con-ing God? Am l con-ing myself? Why can't l just rest in my salvation and enjoy it and receive it for what it is? Why this struggle to accept grace? I hear the voice "Did God really say?" Dam that devil..

In my personal life l'm being bounced around. A song came to mind that l haven't thought of in 50 years. We would bounce a ball under our leg and sing. "Bouncy bouncy ball-e dribble-d drabble-d whoopsy daisy...bouncy bouncy ball-e Look at the way l play.' At the moment l heard the song and the timing of it coming into my mind demonstrated that it was the enemy speaking. Why do hear the enemy? Why can he effect my life so? Do l just continue to trust God (like l said l would) and go with the flow or should l get all freaked out and panic? No ... l go with the flow because l said l would trust God and l'm going to do it no matter what the devil says. Even if he starts bouncing..

This to me is also part of "appearing to dance to the enemies tune" But God orders our steps and they always end up in the direction he wants us to go. I know that from experience. The Lord is engaged in my life and l go with the flow according to faith.

The devil is sowed in the signs...Example. I watched a Walt Disney movie on Yom Kipur called "The Kid" with Bruce Willis. It's about a guy who is forced to deal with his life at 40 when his 8 year old self appears on the scene. Through working out an undealt with childhood experience he is able to get back on the road to his youthful dreams. His future self steps on the scene (30 Years future) and shows him he is going to fly away in a red plane. There was so much in that movie for me.... that instead of being a comedy l found myself in tears. I was 40 when l learned to pray. I had to deal with my life at that point. God would not let me move on. The promise was his future self flying away. (l'm 59+ now)

After digesting what l felt the Lord was saying at the moment l realized something...a kid is a baby goat. Doubt began to pour into my mind. I've had the signs sowed over the top of each other so many times. WhO are we going to believe. This is the challenge. I can really see why God uses the Math in the signs. I mean really...And why he uses more than one witness but several to prove and verify. Because the devil is in the details. sowed in... Should we just put our heads under the pillow and hope it goes away?

Well...experiance tells most of us who've tried that that it doesn't work. That's exactly what the devil wants. for us to give it up. Make it seem like it's hopeless and we'll never get there. So we trust God IN HUMILITY to lead us through Amen? And make sure we know the word even if we don't fully understand the interpretation of what we read.
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I had a thought about seeing from behind the glasses as Shekel said we are invited to do. And my dream where l'm looking out the window from behind three creatures. It has to mean l am looking "forward" if l'm behind right? So when we look through the glasses we are looking forward to what's coming...

If you search the scriptures, you will find that there is so much that is hidden. THe only one that can reveal it
is Christ Jesus. Prov 14:12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

This includes interpretation of scripture. The un-veiling of scripture in these last days, is an un-veiling that is
thouroughly of a spiritual meaning, that is why Jesus continued to speak in parables
Luke 14:33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.
34 “Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land nor for the dunghill, but men throw it out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

Jesus was always talking this way, He is saying that if you, a christian, have lost the understanding that it is for the kingdom of the Lord that you live and not for the things of this world which is passing away, that you have become worthless and are not fit for the kingdom of Heaven (if in fact you are the "salt" that has lost its flavor).

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, (the Son of God and trusting in Him alone)to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, (the Son of God and trusting in Him alone) even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:


‘ Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should[a]heal them.’[b]

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

The reason that so many do not "see" or "hear", is that their hearts are hardened. Many desire understanding and knowledge of the scriptures, but they are unwilling to humble themselves (soften their hearts) before the Lord and wait upon Him for the teaching. So what happens is that many try very hard to just figure God out by making sense of His word by their own craftiness and knowledge, instead of waiting upon Him to open their ears and eyes, they make scriptures to fit their own interpretation or they simply are following the traditional teachings of men instead of waiting upon the Lord that gives knowledge to those that ask.
There are scriptures that match scriptures and then their are scriptures that only "seem to make sense" when we interpret them our own way. God wants us to go with Him and let Him show us all of the ones that match that His word stands to bear witness of itself without our help.

Do I understand all of these things that you asked?



Some of them I do, but God has not revealed all of it yet. Not to me anyway.

The person that understands ALL of these things, more than likely has not heard it from the Lord, but has given his own answers that make sense to him, remember "there is a way that seems right to a man".

But I wait upon Him for His timing and I dont try to make sense of them in my own timing.

In Christ,
Chris

Really good word Chris...Especially the humility part. There's should be nothing here but honesty. Don't pretend to know it all or you'll end up red faced...

I struggle constantly to hear correctly..WAITING FOR OTHERS TO ADD THEIR INPUT. Nothing ventured nothing gained. You may not know much but something is better then nothing. Remember the loves and fishes. We offer what little we have and God multiplies it.

So jump into the fray with sincerity and love.

Let God use you and multiply your offering!

Amen Miki,
"We offer what little we have and God multiplies it"

Couldnt have said it better myself.

Thanks for the encouragement, Its amazing when we make it truly ALL about Him and lift His name high
how He lifts us.

In Christ,
Chris