The Day And Hour
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Q. Jesus IS God. How could He not know what day or hour His return is? (the rapture) Thank you!



A. In Matt. 24:36 Jesus said the following. "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." The day and hour He spoke of is His 2nd Coming, not the Rapture. We know this because the phrase "that day" refers back to verse 30 when all the nations will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds with power and great glory.



By the way, notice that technically He didn't say that no one would know the day or hour, but that no one would know "about" it. The general time of His return will be known to believers on Earth at the time.



In Revelation 1:1 we're told that God had revealed these details to Him. This must have happened sometime between His ascension and His appearance to John on the Isle of Patmos. How could this be?



When Jesus agreed to become a man to save mankind, He had to set aside His Godliness, to step out of the Trinity, so to speak. The whole idea behind the Temptation Wilderness (Matt. 4:1-11) was to get Him to use powers reserved for God alone, thereby violating the conditions of His mission. All His miracles were performed through the power of the Holy Spirit. That's why He told His disciples, and us, that we would do even greater things than He had done. (John 14:12). Since during His time on Earth He confined Himself to doing only those things that can be done by man, He couldn't reveal the details of the day of His return, because those details had not yet been given to man.




........................................................benny

Sounds good...

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Truth

Pay close attention to the wording

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} "notice The Word was with God" and the Word was God, {2} My Father and I are 1, remember. just as Adam said he and Eve were one flesh, God the Father, and God the Creator are one Spirit.

2 The same was in the beginning with God. "Gen. Let us make man in our image" "PURAL"

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. {By Him, The Lord, The Word} The one we know as Jesus did the creating, wrote the 10 commandments, and died on the cross.

Hi there,
I will face Rev.1:1 first as that is the easiest. In this verse John was saying what he was about to write came from God, revealing Christ to us. When Jesus spoke in Matt. 24:36. He was speaking as a man. Notice that in verse 4 it says, 'And Jesus answered and said to them', Jesus is the man [doing or saying], and Christ is the anointing [the Power and the Word], Jesus Christ is the man with the anointing, [moving and speaking with the authority of God, not just serving, but obeying in the power of the Holy Ghost]. As for knowing the time of the rapture, Jesus Himself said in John. 5:30. "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me."
Jesus, when on earth had the 'freewill' option at anytime to desert the calling upon Him. This is shown in the prayer on the Mount of Olives in Luke22:42. saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but yours, be done." Once Jesus had fulfilled His ministry here on earth and ascended unto heaven all things were placed at His feet, Psalm. chap 8.
Obviously God the Father, in Matt. 24:36 had not revealed His timing to Jesus.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} "notice The Word was with God" and the Word was God, {2} My Father and I are 1, remember. just as Adam said he and Eve were one flesh, God the Father, and God the Creator are one Spirit.
1 John. 4:8. He who does not love does not know God, for God is love. Love is pure and love is a force, it can feel and communicate, but the receiver of this communication needs to be listening. God communicated to the Word His desire and He spoke to the power, (the Holy Spirit) and the Holy Spirit moved and created.
Try to imagine if you will, that you want something to eat, or go out for a while, but don't know what you feel like eating or don't know where to go. The Word will 'eat' or 'go to a certain place', but first, like you needs directions from the main source the 'you' in you. Christ is the Word and will do that which is the will of the Father but needs first to hear what the father,(Love) desires. Perfect Love knows all, we humans are driven by the same emotion, love. But ours is an earthly love. If we turn to the true Love and use our love to love Him, then that is where our direction in life and our supplies for the journey will come from. Just believe.
Hope this helps you in your search.
May God continue to bless you in your walk.

Let's take it to the creationnal level. Adam was created in the sixth day....

I believe that the last prophetic Adam (Jesus) was also created in the last 6th prophetic day, to cross over to this 7th "day".

You see we will know when Jesus is back when it is a done deal...Like the first time.

And like the first time Jesus was on earth until He received the "spirit of the Lord" which came upon Him.

Remember the testimony of Jesus (what happened to Him) is the spirit of prophecy.

And we know that Jesus was born under the law born of water to redeem those born under the first law (the OT saints)...
Jesus was not there when God sent the 2nd covenant. Jesus then had to born under the 2nd covenant
to redeem those also born under the 2nd covenant (the NT saints).

To be born under the second covenant Jesus needs a vessel prepared for Him like the first time. It is the Spiritual body
of Jesus who will suddenly come into His temple like lightning and like the former and latter rains...

Because His spiritual body resurrects on earth, like His physical body resurrected on earth..

I am having a bit of a problem understanding this text here. Did Jesus regain His full glory after He ascended to heaven? Is He the same now as He was before His first coming? Is He everpresent right now? Is He all knowing right now? I am a bit confused abot these issues. God bless.

When Christ returns it is not a done deal yet.....Satan will be locked up forh the day of teaching(Lords day)
then satan will be released and many will still follow him after Christ has shown them he is a fake(idiots)

The King James shows that scripture as .....But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.


"About" wasn't in the text...it is placed there by man.

They are "idiots." To see Christ, be taught for 1000 years and still....follow Satan is unbelievable to me and yet when Satan is released that one last time then he......


Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.


What happens to them? And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [20:9]

I think what Benny is saying is when Christ on earth He was fully man and although fully God have given away certain perogatives in order to defeat satan.

Those perogatives were anything that men were unable to do.

Being sinless as a man, He had perfect communication with the Father and the Fathers will. The communication was seamless but the Father only told Him that which would not violate the success of His mission.

All the real prophets could potentially do the miracles that Jesus did through faith, obedience, prayer and communication. We see that Peter even walked on water. Because it is the Holy Spirit that performs the miracles. However they must be in accord with God's will.

Moses is great example. The miracles that Moses performed were not Moses' will but rather God's will. God told Moses, you will...........and then Moses, as is typical of man, would say, why me? Isn't there someone better for this job. You got the wrong guy etc....

But as Moses life progressed, he became more and more obediant and just did what God told him to do....most of the time. We see Moses made a big error at the end by striking the rock twice and then did not get to enter into the land of promise. Nonetheless, Moses was saved as evidenced by his presence on the Mt of Transfiguration.

Anyway, Moses, Elijah and Elisha are noted as having the most visible manifestations of the moving of the Holy Spirit in their lives via miracles.

When Jesus did any miracle, He would always ask His Father first. The communication was typically instantaneous and so was the answer. Thus most men would think that He knew the answer without asking....and being filled with the Holy Spirit, He did not have to think on anything too long.

There is nothing in the world that is difficult for God to accomplish...thus the miracles were only signs of Jesus Divinity and perfect harmony with God the Father. At times, the Holy Spirit would even prompt the miracle via another person, Jesus not even being aware that it was His Father's will. We see this at Cana when Mary asked Jesus to supply some more wine.

At first Jesus said it wasn't yet His time, but upon consulting with His Father, He decided it was time to do the first miracle, because if it wasn't time, it would not have happened.

Thus, in sum, what it is saying is Jesus just walked in faith...He Himself could not do anything without His Father. His Father performed the miracles and Jesus through faith, patience, obedience etc was able to do all that was needed.

This is why satan tempted Jesus. He knew if he could mess up the lines of communication, he might be able to get Jesus to sin. But the Divine essense and sinless nature of Jesus allowed Him to perserve in spite of his being fully man and having to grow in grace over time.

This is why the Scriptures indicate that Jesus was the last Adam. He was just like Adam was created. When Adam was sinless, He actually had the same potential as Jesus to perform miraculous feats. He walked and talked with God therefore, God could tell Adam to do such and such and Adam could do it.

That is why it was such a feat by satan to put the first man into the bondage of sin. satan claimed that if he would eat from the tree he would be like God knowing good and evil.

Now that part was true...the knowing evil part. Only God knew of it, because God knew satan. But in terms of being like God in His attributes, Adam was as close as he was ever gonna get at the time of Creation. He was sinless!

So it was a clever juxtapostion of words that got things going the wrong way.

Anyway, Jesus Christ was the last Adam.....meaning like Adam was when he was first created....sinless and in full communication with God....

And that does not mean that he was always talking to God. It means that when God spoke, he always perfectly understood it. That is why Adam is held responsible for the fall of man; because he understood the commandment regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So we, being sinful, go though life trying to get our communication with God back to a favorable status through Jesus Christ our Lord. Although, we will probably never achieve the same status that Jesus had due to our sins, in terms of communication, He tells us the blood of His sacrifice keeps cleansing....past present and future...so if we keep saying simple prayers of God forgive me...and oh I did that again...etc...it will keep cleansing and as quickly as the commuication is dampened, it can be reunited....

It's not our sin nature that keeps us from communicating, but rather our willingness to admit on an on going basis, our sins....

Anyway, I digress...............

Patmos

I would not assume things based on a translation of the bible, the original bible was written in Koine Greek and Jesus spoke in Aramaic, when translating from one language to another some things are usually different from the original source. So just because he said no would know "about" it, the point of the message is to be that only the Father knows the date and time and only him alone. The Rapture is another issue, many Christians do not believe a rapture will even take place, you can Google "The Rapture Myth" if you are interested.

It always surprises me that some Christians take words out of Christ's message and start trying to find hidden meanings behind them, if that was the points the disciples were trying to make they would have written the bible in Aramaic in order to keep all the words of Christ unmodified. However they chose to write the scriptures in Greek, the most commonly spoken language of their time, the whole point of doing that was to get the message of Christ out to the most number of people. So trying to find secret codes and hints within the bible is fruitless in my eyes, instead focus on the message Jesus came to bring and live your life by that message.

Regards
FreedomPower

It is useless to even try to get you to give up this calculator addiction.

What if I say that the calculators will calculate till far in Eternity if they do not give it up and start honestly praying?

Mt 22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

the Father said unto Jesus sit thou at my right hand until I (Father ) make thine enemies thy footstool.

Jesus cannot move off the throne until the Father give the Go. Jesus don't do anything without the Father's command.


Mt 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


Jn 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


Jn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.