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DO WE SEE A PATTERN HERE?

I thought these current events were interesting in their symbolism...


1) On May 28, 2007, Rachel Smith, Miss U.S.A., FALLS at the Miss Universe Pageant.



2) On July 5, 2007 (the day after Independence Day), Marvel Comics' writer, Jeph Loeb, will publish...
"FALLEN SON",
where Captain AMERICA is DEAD and BURIED ...
ending the 66-year life of the superhero, which began in March of 1941 nine months before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

Note the numbers:

2007-1941= "66"

The number "66" represents the reduction or the loss of the faith to the Divine Plan, causing the bad tendency of the individual initiative to want directly by only intelligence and human reason. The word "curse" is used 66 times in the Old Testament. This number is linked in a certain manner to the number 666: 1/66 = 0.0151 515 151 515... et 151+515 = 666.

5/28/2007=5+2+8+2+0+0+7=24=2+4= "6"

This Independence Day (7/4/2007) the United States will be "231" years old. Hence, 231=2+3+1= "6"

The number "6" is the number of "imperfection"; it is the number of man "without" God.

The date 7/5/2007 = 7+5+2+0+0+7=21+2+1= "3", being a derivative of six (3+3=6 or 2X3=6).

Between May 28th and July 5th are a total of 39 days, hence 39=3+9=12=1+2= "3".

Note that the number "231" is a prime devisor divisible by "3", thus 231/3=77 (or 3X77=231). Hence, "231" is 3 times the affect of "77". What does "77" mean?

The number "77" is the symbol of sinners who lived before the arrival of the Christ according to Fathers' of the Church, because this number is the product of 7, the creature evolving, by 11, the transgression. According to St. Augustine, it is the last limit of the sin since this number is the product of 11, number of the sin, by 7, number of the perfection. In other words, "77" is the "PERFECTION OF SIN" and the maturation of sin to its greatest potential. The age of the U.S. (231 years) symbolizes the triple magnification of this phenomenon, reaching the ominous state of insurmountable sin and unmitigated evil ripe for judgment. This may precipitate America's ultimate "FALL" as symbolized in the fall of Miss USA and the "Fallen Son" Captain America, dead and buried.


ARE THESE PORTENTS TO AN APPROACHING OMINOUS EVENT FOR THE UNITED STATES, OR MERE COINCIDENCE? ONLY TIME WILL TELL.
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Additionally, it is just extraordinary that the Miss U.S.A. that FALLS is named "Rachel", the name of Jacob's beloved wife who wept for her children. Here appears to be a reference to one of America’s greatest sin that shall cause it to fall, as Rachel died weeping for her children, being the legalized aborted deaths of nearly 40,000,000 babies, the “Slaughter of Innocence” that has drenched the land with spilt innocent blood. In Jeremiah 31:15: "There is a voice in Ramah; a lamentation; a very bitter cry; Rachel is weeping over her children; she refuses to be comforted about her children because they are not." In Matthew, Rachel's affliction is then fulfilled: "Then is fulfilled, that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying: 'Rachel mourns her children and would not be comforted.'" Her pain is made full. Her despair has risen to the top.

The occasion is famous! It is a gruesome story–the murder of the innocent children in Bethlehem by Herod’s rage. Weeping mothers in Bethlehem! "Well now," says Matthew, "Don't you see it? If Rachel saw it, she would cry again. Just as the pain of Rachel lived again in Jeremiah's days and inflicted itself newly on the prophet, so it does at present." The disappointment of Rachel with her death is also present. The same pain which Rachel lived through is present. By her death, she has borne children in vain. In Jeremiah's day, she bore children in vain. In Bethlehem's fields, she has borne children in vain. Remember, Rachel died after the birth of her second child, Ben-Oni (“son of my sorrow”), renamed by Jacob as Benjamin; she died in route to the Promise Land and never saw it; she died gripped in the sin of sorrow.

I don’t think the name Rachel associate with Miss U.S.A., and the worldwide repeated video imagery of the event of Miss U.S.A.’s FALL was a coincident.
calvin
"The word "curse" is used 66 times in the Old Testament. This number is linked in a certain manner to the number 666..." You are right Seven Thunders.

The simple English gematria A=1 ... Z=26 of the word curse and Sodom sum at:

CURSE = 66
SODOM = 66


Scripture tells us that one of the beasts appears ... "like a lamb".

LIKE A LAMB = 66

The number of man is said to be 6.
The word "charles" means ... "man".

CHARLES = 66

In the EU parliament, the Vatican holds seat number ... 66
In the RC Church of Peter, each pope is considered to be the image and successor of Peter.

PETER II = 66

The "woman" that rides the beast sits on the city of seven hills.

WOMAN = 66

The name "Rome" is founded upon the myth of Romulus, a twin. According to the myth, he and his brother Remus, were suckled by a she-wolf. Rome is the world center for the study of twins.

Roman Catholicism and it's papacy is definitely a "wolf in sheep's clothing".

MYTH =66
TWIN = 66


Coincidence? Roman numerals IVXLCD sum at ... 666







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Calvin...

Fascinating.

I'm a scholar of etymology, and to expand on “Charles” it is a name that goes beyond the definition of “man” and is rooted in the Germanic “Karl”, literally meaning “full-grown”, and is akin to Old English “ceorl”, meaning “churl”, i.e. “peasant” and “freeman”. It is ultimately rooted in the Indo-European base for the word “corn”, being “ger”, meaning “to ripen”, “mature”, and “grow old”, having its origin from the Greek word “geron”, meaning “old man”. May I assume correctly that your mention of the name “Charles” is inferring the “66” spiritual attributes hidden behind the acclaimed personhood that the world currently knows as Prince Charles? I, personally, cannot say with confidence that he is the identity of the literal “666” Beast, since his full name does not seem to translate as such via gematria, but I think it is apparent that there is some connection to the spirit of antichrist, though indirectly. In Gematria… “Charles” = “396”; “Princes Charles” = “786”; and “Charles Windsor” = “1008”, but Prince Charles’ real full birth name is “Philip Arthur George Mountbatten” from Germanic origins. “Philip” = “420”; “Arthur” = “516”; “George” = “342”; and “Mountbatten” = “870”… it appears no combination of these names will produce the triadic numeral form of the name of the Beast, “666”.

On another note, since the number “77” is affiliated with the coming 4th of July age of the U.S., 231 years (3 x 77 = 231), Calvin, do you have any more expanded data on the number “77” (11 x 7 = 77)? I think it will reveal some interesting aspects to the U.S., of course, confirming instinctively and in a spiritual sense what we may already know.
calvin
"I'm a scholar of etymology, and to expand on 'Charles' it is a name that goes beyond the definition of "man" and is rooted in the Germanic "Karl" .... "

Hello Seven,

The previous pope (whose two titled names summed at 666) had the Polish form of this name ... Karol.
Is the word "charlemagne" also connected to "man" ?

No Seven, I find no primary biblical identification (image, mark, number etc) to Prince Charles as being a serious "suspect".

Yes, I have some data regarding 77 but not relating to the USA.

I am slowly putting together an article regarding God's biblical "sign" ... two, twin, double ... as it relates to His prophetic numbers and eschatology.

Good to meet another who understands simple gematria and its biblical purpose.
Some mistakenly associate it with "kaballah or numerology".



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Hi, Calvin, thanks for your marvelous insights. Will you be publishing your article on this forum? It sounds very intriguing.

Numbers are integral to God's Universe and are crucial in unlocking its intrinsic secrets. In fact, the Universe and all that IS cannot exist without numbers. One can say numbers are a universal language.

I can understand the typical Christian's apprehension to explore this realm due to the corruption of numbers by Satan in the form of occult numerology where the process has been reduced to an augury and fortune telling system, and also where some of the intrinsic symbolic meanings of the numbers have been purposely skewed to prevent people from knowing the Truth. For instance, the "8" and triadic form "888" have been demonized in numerology, and the number "9" has been glorified. For those of us versed in Gematria, we are fully aware that "8" and the "888" are utterly sacred, "8" being the "Dominical Number" and "888" is literally the triadic form for Yeshua (Jesus); while "9" is the "Serpent" and the number that Satan claims as his own.

In reality, I have concluded that "before" numerology was corrupted it was part of a former global technoculture's science dealing with hyperphysics of frequencies. It is clear that the new hyperphysics of Superstring M-Theory emerging out of quantum physics is beginning to stumble upon this phenomenon. My suspicion is that it will ultimately lead to an actual "God Equation" that will emphatically prove the existence of God, mathematically, and the identity of the Creator, which will be "888" (Yeshua [Jesus]). Hence, currently the mathematicians are perplexed as to why in all their Superstring equations the highest calculable number is always the number "8".

In 2005 the Lord showed me that there is a “Christ Code” rooted in an “octaprime nanosequential pattern” that permeates the entire Trans-Universal Superstructure from the Macrocosm down into the Microcosm (the subatomic level); this pattern is not octaples of “8” (8, 16, 24, 32, 40, 48, 56, 64, 72, 80, etc), but rather the following octaprime nanosequential pattern: 8, 17, 26, 35, 44, 53, 62, 71, 80. Notice how each of these terms will reduce (endoquantify) to the digit “8”. The previous set of octaples will not do this. So this is the key, because the number “8” ultimately appears to be the “Signature” or “Fingerprint” of the Creator, identifying the Creator as Yeshua (Jesus), and the intrinsic meaning behind the number “8” and the affects of its frequency has everything to do with resurrection, healing, wholeness, rejuvenation, restoration, new beginnings, renewal, super-abundant prosperity and Divine protection. This is why Satan has demonized the “8” and the “888” in the numerological system, because he does not want anyone to know the Supernatural and liberating benefits that Christ’s sacred number will produce, which is embodied in the eighth letter in the Hebrew alphabet, the “chet” or “het” (ת: pronounced- “ket”), being equal to the “H”, the 8th letter in the Latin/English alphabet. Literally, the Hebrew chet should be used as a symbol of the empowering “Resurrected Christ”, whereas the “Christian Cross” commonly used by all Christians throughout the world is actually a symbol not for the “Resurrected Christ” at all, but rather, is a symbol of “Christ Crucified” and thus exudes the frequency of being “crucified” (dead or sacrificed) and not the frequency of being “resurrected” (rebirth). It is no wonder that the Lord showed Ezekiel the “Valley of Dead Bones” as a symbol of the future Church, Modern Christianity being dead. It will not come into the state of the “exceedingly great army” until it apprehends the wisdom of True Resurrection and True Rebirth. The “cross” is from the twenty-second letter of the Hebrew alphabet, the “tav”, and symbolizes one marked for God; it is the same “mark” that God put upon the forehead of Cain.

I will have to open up a special thread to share my research on this Christ Code hypothesis when I have time to pull the data together.

Blessings...

-7



calvin
"Numbers are integral to God's Universe and are crucial in unlocking its intrinsic secrets. In fact, the Universe and all that IS cannot exist without numbers. One can say numbers are a universal language".

Isn't that a fact Seven ... I am definitely not a mathematician, but it is said that mathematics is the only pure science. I have some of the works of Ivan Panin (even his "Numerical Bible"). I was interested in his statement about the Hebrew gematria of Genesis 1:1.

"a most elaborate design of 37 and its reverse 73 and 7 and 4 runs through the first Bible verse."

The simple English gematria (SEG) of "mene" ... ie number is:

MENE = 37 ... as its reverse is:

COUNT = 73
NUMBER = 73


As you know, Jews will not write "God" ... they display it as G-D ... which is our 7- 4

I will pm you.

signet


hi you guys..

can you discuss the number 17?

thank you in advance, and

blessings,
signet
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QUOTE(signet @ Jul 6 2007, 12:57 AM) [snapback]116857[/snapback]

hi you guys..

can you discuss the number 17?

thank you in advance, and

blessings,
signet


Hi, Signet… I posted something on "17" on a thread by Benny on the horsemen of the apocalypses (reposted below), and here is the continuing link discussion with Calvin:

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...=11446&st=5


This is a very fascinating vision; particularly note that the occurrence of the vision was “17” years ago, 1/10/1990: the number "17" (2007-1990= 17) is a profound number. The number "17" reduces to "8", the "Dominical Number" of Christ, for "Yeshua" transposes into "888", the most "Sacred Number". I sense in my spirit that the date 7/10/2007, next week (Tuesday), is a profound date, perhaps it's nothing, or perhaps it's only for me, personally, but since last night I've sensed that a tangible mobilizing of the Spiritual Realm has begun in preparation for something big, really big. I feel next week will be a "critical" week. Also, last night I felt great demonic forces in mobility with much greater intensity than I have ever felt before. Note that the numbers in the date 7/10/2007 reduce to "17" (7+1+0+2+0+0+7=17), and thus "8".

"17" is...

• Number of the Son of Man, according to Abellio.

• About this number, St. Augustine declares: "In the number seventeen as in its multiples we find an admirable sacrament".

• Jesus traveled seventeen years for his preparation before his public ministry.

• The Jewish law counts seventeen blessings.

• According to a passage of the Talmud, it is written that the complete Torah included initially 17 books initially.

• According to visions of Anne-Catherine Emmerich, seventeen women follow the Way of the Cross. And in the visions of the brother Joseph-Francis, the Cross measured 17 feet.

• The apostle James wrote his Epistle seventeen years after the crucifixion of the Jesus Christ.

• Seventeen people and nations are present at the Pentecost: Galilee, Parthians, Medes and Elamites, peoples from Mesopotamia, Judaea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya round to Cyrene, residents of Rome, Jews and proselystes alike, Cretans and Arabs. (Ac 2,7-11)

• Joseph was seventeen years old when he was sold by his brothers and escorted in Egypt. (Gn 37,2)

• The seventeen Judges since the death of Josuah until Samuel: Othonial, Aod, Samgar, Jahel, Deborah, Barac, Gideon, Abimelech, Thola, Jair, Jepheth, Abezan, Ahialon, Abdon, Samson, Eli and Samuel.

• Rehoboam, son of Solomon, reigned seventeen years in Jerusalem. (1 K 14,21)

• Jehoahaz, son of Jehu, reigned seventeen years in Isarel to Samaria. (2 K 13,1)

• The Ten Commandments of God were given in 17 verses to the twentieth chapter of the book of the Exodus.

• Jacob lived seventeen years in the country of Egypt. (Gn 47,28)

• The Pentateuch contains 5852 or 17x7x7x7+7+7+7 verses. 1533 verses of the Genesis can be also expressed like 17x70+7x7x7 or 17x7+707+707. The book of the Exodus contains (17+17)x(17+17)+57 or 1213 verses. It is 17x7 shorter than 666+666.

The number "17" is the "perfection of spiritual order".

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bonomike
Did someone say "numbers?"

There's more than a few "coincidences" here: http://www.californiajudgment2008.citymax.com

7,11,13,14,33,74,77,55,65,75,77,88,117,153,166...dates/years/latitudes/longitudes/flights/scores/bombs...you name it. They go around and around.

Definitely food for thought...

In Christ,

Mike
calvin
Why did God place 153 fish in the net, and why is "Peter" associated with the "counting"?

Seven and Signet ... regarding 1 to 17 summing at 153.
I have submitted a new thread in this numbers section called "Peter 666 And The Sign In The Net"
It gives some "connections" between the prophetic numbers 144, 153 and 17.
signet
thank you, Calvin...

countin' on Jesus,
signet
Any_Other_Name
So... if I'm a twin... should I be afraid moreso than someone else?


I don't really understand how all this leads to valuable conclusions.

In my opinion, the only way to reach conclusions that are valuable is to ask God for answers and then listen.



You both seem like very intelligent people. I used to be into gematria and numerology as well... still am, to an extent.
I just wonder what good can come of reaching for things like "maybe Prince Charles is the antichrist?"

Whatever happened to 'judge not'?


Just some food for thought.
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