here's a link for downloads of Dr. Dino's material and opportunity to donate to his ministryhttp://www.arrivalofthefittest.com/csehovind.html
for what it's worth there was a dog up in a hollow tree that is in the local "Southern Forest World" exhibited as the petrified dog
goT in wayx

As for the subject of Dinosaurs co-existing with man, I can tell you affirmatively that was the case. But man at that time known as ADAM 1 ( for there are two Adams created in Genesis - and I am not talking about Jesus as the greater Adam ) was a giant like the Nephelim. I live on the sunshine coast Queensland, Australia.

There are foot prints of men having 5 and 6 toes and up to 50 feet high at the top of many of the local mountains. Most though were about 24 feet tall. These foot prints are sunken into molten Lava Rock along side Dinosaurs as if both man and beast were so terrified of what was at the bottom of the mountains, they ran across molten lava to the top of the hill. The foot prints are more conjested as you get closer to the top of the mountain indicating the crowding of both man and beast. many of the dinosaur prints were two legged and almost as high as the men and on top of the human foot print. I found one human footprint with 5 toes - about a size 25 foot ( I am a size 13 ), sunken almost 12 inches into the molten lava and almost a perfect formation of a foot. It you want to know the site I suggest you email me at > kimbalsummers@hotmail.com < for more detail.

At the top of the mountain you can see the ocean some kilometers away. Maybe a tsumani from the flood was coming ? Most likely when you see the landscape. The flood being an axis shift of the earth would have triggered all sorts of volcanic activity at the time, hence the laval flows all down the mountains in the local area. You don't need to be a palentologist or a scientist to recognize this, it's as obvious as the sun in the sky when you look at the surrounding evidence here in Australia. The local council has built a visitors lookout over these foot prints in one particular spot - so they were blind to the surrounding evidence. I have photographed some of these including a hand print of a giant human if any want to see them.

Kimbal,

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But man at that time known as ADAM 1 ( for there are two Adams created in Genesis - and I am not talking about Jesus as the greater Adam ) was a giant like the Nephelim.

The Bible says that there was only one Adam created in Genesis. I'm afraid that you are, at best, simply mistaken.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


There was an age before our present one. That was the age of the dinosaurs and that was the age in which Satan rebelled. Men were there in that age too but not in flesh bodies. We were in spiritual bodies in that age just as we will be in spiritual bodies in the next age....the 3rd and last.


We did not evolve. The world is ancient but it BECAME without form and void due to the rebellion and then....darkness was upon the face of the deep. That was the world-wide flood. Water covered the earth but then....this age began. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. In this age our souls must be born of water - born of the bag of waters, through woman into this flesh body.



......Whirlwind

There are many records of giants....some with 6 toes and 6 fingers on each hand or foot. Some with double rows of teeth. Why do so few acknowledge this?


As for two Adams. We have discussed this on another thread but the gist of it is.....mankind was created on the sixth day while The Man Adam, from whom Christ would come, was an 8th day creation.



...Whirlwind

excuse me, but in Genesis, there is no mention of an "8th day of creation."

you are gr8tly mistaken.

in fact, we are STILL IN the seventh day of REST.....God's day of rest.

but we are invited to enter ..

to ...."enter into his rest".....but not NOT ALL will accept the invitation....

need proof from scripture?

You are correct BZ.....God rested on the seventh day and after that, whenever that was....Adam was formed. I mistakenly added the number 8 after 7 but I stand corrected. My point being of course...Adam WAS NOT A 6TH DAY CREATION.



......Whirlwind

Genesis 1 is an account of the Creation. That Creation took 6 Days. God created Adam on the 6th Day, for the account of His creation of Man is given between Genesis 1:26-31, and Genesis 1:31, following the pattern of the accounts of the other Days of Creation, states, "....So the evening and the morning were the sixth day", which indicates that all those things described - between the end of the summary of the prior day, and before the summary of that day - as having been created were created on THAT day.


[Edited on 4/10/2008 to correct my unclear (some would impolitely say "incorrect") usage of "Genesis 1:32".]

When I first began to read the Genesis narrative I too thought that chapter two was just a repeat....it is not.


The "man" created on day six is mankind...all the races. The man created after day seven (which I presume to be day eight) is shown in the Hebrew manuscript as "eth' Ha adham" or....The man Adam. The man from whom our Saviour would come.


There are many differences in the narrative....these are not the same creations.



........Whirlwind

"When I first began to read the Genesis narrative I too thought that chapter two was just a repeat....it is not. The "man" created on day six is mankind...all the races. The man created after day seven (which I presume to be day eight) is shown in the Hebrew manuscript as "eth' Ha adham" or....The man Adam. The man from whom our Saviour would come. There are many differences in the narrative....these are not the same creations."


>This aberrant teaching and influence is in direct contradiction to the Bible and should be suspect of satanic manipulations. Those who fall for this junk need to dump their false mentors and return to the scriptures. WW did not originate this off course thinking and should consider the source used to promote it. Satan's purpose here is to undermine the scriptures from the get-go and to refute the clear teachings of the Lord's Word. If this goal can be reached then the foundational precepts of scripture come tumbling down and Satan knows it. Caution

Whirlwind,


I made no reference to Genesis 2.

My apologies Godsword....I didn't read it closely enough.






After reading a bit more carefully I have to ask...what do you mean by Genesis 1:32?



.......Whirlwind

Whirlwind,


By "Genesis 1:32", obviously I meant Genesis 1:31, which comes right before Genesis 2. Can't you read my mind?

What about Behemoth? I saw the scriptures of Job 41 about Leviathan, and a few verses about dragons but we missed posting Job 40.

Job is supposed to be the oldest book in the Bible.

Job 40, even mentions whirlwind!!!! LOL>....hey whirlwind!

6 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
7 “Now prepare yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall answer Me:
(just thought that was kinda cool)

JOB 40 (About Behemoth):

15 “Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.

16 See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.

17 He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.

18 His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.

19 He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.

20 Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.

21 He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.

22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.

23 Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,

24 Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare.

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JOB 41 (Leviathan):

1 “Can you draw out Leviathan with a hook,
Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?

2 Can you put a reed through his nose,
Or pierce his jaw with a hook?

3 Will he make many supplications to you?
Will he speak softly to you?

4 Will he make a covenant with you?
Will you take him as a servant forever?

5 Will you play with him as with a bird,
Or will you leash him for your maidens?

6 Will your companions make a banquet[b] of him?
Will they apportion him among the merchants?

7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons,
Or his head with fishing spears?

8 Lay your hand on him;
Remember the battle—
Never do it again!

9 Indeed, any hope of overcoming him is false;
Shall one not be overwhelmed at the sight of him?

10 No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.
Who then is able to stand against Me?

11 Who has preceded Me, that I should pay him?
Everything under heaven is Mine.

12 “I will not conceal[c] his limbs,
His mighty power, or his graceful proportions.

13 Who can remove his outer coat?
Who can approach him with a double bridle?

14 Who can open the doors of his face,
With his terrible teeth all around?

15 His rows of scales are his pride,
Shut up tightly as with a seal;

16 One is so near another
That no air can come between them;

17 They are joined one to another,
They stick together and cannot be parted.

18 His sneezings flash forth light,
And his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19 Out of his mouth go burning lights;
Sparks of fire shoot out.

20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils,
As from a boiling pot and burning rushes.

21 His breath kindles coals,
And a flame goes out of his mouth.

22 Strength dwells in his neck,
And sorrow dances before him.

23 The folds of his flesh are joined together;
They are firm on him and cannot be moved.

24 His heart is as hard as stone,
Even as hard as the lower millstone.

25 When he raises himself up, the mighty are afraid;
Because of his crashings they are beside[d] themselves.

26 Though the sword reaches him, it cannot avail;
Nor does spear, dart, or javelin.

27 He regards iron as straw,
And bronze as rotten wood.

28 The arrow cannot make him flee;
Slingstones become like stubble to him.

29 Darts are regarded as straw;
He laughs at the threat of javelins.

30 His undersides are like sharp potsherds;
He spreads pointed marks in the mire.

31 He makes the deep boil like a pot;
He makes the sea like a pot of ointment.

32 He leaves a shining wake behind him;
One would think the deep had white hair.

33 On earth there is nothing like him,
Which is made without fear.

34 He beholds every high thing;
He is king over all the children of pride.”

HMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Flintstones meet the FLINTSTONES

and

LAND OF THE LOST! (my all time fav!)

Very interesting stuff. I shall go study all the evidence listed in thi sthrread

In the time of Noah there were giants as stated in Genesis 6:4 the sons of God were actully fallen angels.
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
in rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Yes it does point to a world wide flood.... And it was huge

To get this thread on track again,

I can't help but to wonder, how someone can even suggest that dinosaurs and human beings, in fact, anything close to a homini, could have co-existed. According to carbon dating and fossil findings, modern primates emerge long after last dinosaur walked on earth. Dinosaurs roamed between 228-65 million years, give or take two million, early primates emerged 100m-65m ago, when mammals took over the ecological niche left behind by dinosaurs.

Only evidence we have about dinosaurs, are fossils they have left behind. Should humans and dinosaurs co-existed, we should find human fossils too, preferably in same layers as dinosaurs. However, not a single homo sapiens fossils has ever been discovered, partly because we have been here such a short time (almost 200 000years) but also because fossils are very tricky to form and there haven't simply been enought humans to form fossils, which could be found.

Yes, this is according to the Evolutionary/Uniformitarian Model, which is "conjecture", in other words, a great big "guess".

Have you seen the cave drawings in the Andes depicting dinosaurs and humans together... depicting humans flying on the backs of pterodactyls and riding atop brontosaurus? I have.

Have you seen the clay sculptures excavated from the Peruvian Andes of dinosaurs along side human giantesses displayed in the Mexico City National Museum of Natural History? I have.

Have you seen the giant 26” human foot prints along side and even overlapping dinosaur foot prints excavated from the Puluxey River limestone bed? I have.

Evolutionists ignore these finds because they do not fit into their "misconjecture" and fabricated scientific paradigm… a gigantic fairytale.

Prominent Swiss scientist, Dr. Louis Bounoure, "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."

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Living in europe, it's pretty hard for me to spontaniously to go see them, and google letting me down, I can't say a thing against them, exept that prehistoric art made by people very different from us, in terms of cultural and techonogical thinking, is very hard to catch the idea what an ancient artist has tried to portrait. For example, in Finland old cave paintings have been found and examined by a number of specialists. http://kirjasto.jamsa.fi/kotiseutu/esihistoria/tellervo.jpg This particular example has been thought to be ancient goddes Tellervo, by the fact that the portrait has breasts. However, other specialists simply state that the person is carrying something and thus is perhaps an plea to the spirits of forrest for good hunting luck.

If you can find a pictere about theise paintgis throw me an url and I'll check em out.


This is a classic argument. Which still lives on, eventhough is commonly known to be misinterpitated. In fact, so called giant footsteps are actually footsteps of a 3-toed dinosaur. http://atheism.about.com/library/glossary/...ldef_paluxy.htm states: "Some creationists have figured this (the tracks belonging to a dinosaur) out, fortunately, and even the Institute for Creation Research has issued a statement asking creationists not to use this as a basis for arguing that the earth is young."

And to comment on that quote of yours, very prominent indeed. A professor of biology in a minor university. And further still, thats not even a true quote, its Jean Rostand's who later took it back.

Oja...

Yeah, this sure does look like a dinosaur footprint to me; I just don’t know how on earth I could have confused it with a human footprint…. silly me:
http://www.univie.ac.at/cga/art/dino2.jpg



The Puluxey controversy is the result of anti-Creationist detractors “polluting” the evidence and making mountains out of mole hills in regards to the most minute contradictions or mistakes in the documentation process, thus throwing the ENTIRE baby out with the bath water. I know this because in the 70’s I saw the actual REAL TIME TV telecast of Dr. Baugh’s excavation (right before an entire host of scientists, officials, journalists and the media) of the top layer sediment removal exposing the human and dinosaur tracks beneath it… it was documented in REAL TIME, video taped and also telecast on a live feed. We saw it with our eyes.

But the Puluxey site is NOT the ONLY site on Earth with human and dinosaur tracks together… there is one site in Atheist Russia, and I might point out, this is a nation unbiased to the Creationism Model, so no one who wants to discredit this discovery can claim that a bias Christian and pro-Genesis mindset or paradigm is at work to bend or influence the discovery:

http://paleo.cc/paluxy/russ.htm

http://www.dinosaursandman.com/research/WALKING_WITH_DINOSAURS.pdf



MORE WORLDWIDE EVIDENCES:

http://clearwisdom.net/emh/article_images/2007-1-14-prehist-01.jpg

http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/articles/2007/2/8/82470.html

http://www.fairservicenz.com/images/Incastone.jpg

http://www.fairservicenz.com/dinosaur/dinosaur-1.html

http://www.daniken.com/pics/evdcdrom/B517.JPG

http://www.prophecyandtruth.com/images/cav...an_drawing2.JPG

http://www.unexplainedearth.com/acambaro/DSCN0869.jpg

http://www.greatdreams.com/dino-man.jpg

http://www.greatdreams.com/dinosaur-man.htm

http://www.omniology.com/IcaPeruBurialStones3.jpg

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...php/t65975.html

http://www.unexplainedearth.com/

http://johnmckay.blogspot.com/uploaded_ima...%202-748015.jpg

http://johnmckay.blogspot.com/2005/12/anot...-1979-jack.html

http://www.perceptions.couk.com/imgs/AZ_RockArtDino1a.jpg

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php?p=196

http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/...es/211yarru.jpg

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2...one-documentary

http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/files/incastonesm.jpg

http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/dinosaurs.shtml


I WOULD SAY THE DIVERSE EVIDENCE IS HIGHLY OVERWHELMING THAT DINOSAURS AND HUMANS WERE IN FACT CONTEMPORANEOUS, THUS THE EVOLUTIONARY MODEL WITH ITS FICTITIOUS GARGANTUAN TIMELINE IS ENTIRELY FALSE; IT IS MISCONJECTURE AND COMPLETELY INVAILD AND NULLIFIED.

THESE EVIDENCES CLEARLY SHOWING MAN AND DINOSAURS TOGETHER ALSO PROCLAIM THAT EVOLUTION NEVER HAPPENED. EVOLUTION IS A LIE.

But of course we will always have the anit-God, anti-Bible and anti-Genesis doubters and detractors who will do everything in their power to contort the truth and fabricate all kinds of discrediting schemes against the mountains of evidence, crying foul and hoax, or twisting their counter rationales to fit their paradigms, simply because it does not fit their long cherished fairytale fantasies.

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yes, they do look like human tracks, but again, the eye sees what eye chooses to see.


How on earth you can call Russia an atheist contry? Only 4% of entire Russian population call themselfs atheist, check out with google. If I can remember correctly nearly 20% of Americans identify themselfs as atheist.


In fact, evidence for humans and dinosaurs co-existing is really nonexistent. Dinosaurs disapear from fossil record nearly 65m years ago first truly human creatures apeared less than a million years ago, how can such a long gap be exlained?


And even IF dinosaurs and humans did co-exist, how on earth does it disprofe evolution?

Your data is woefully skewed and erroneous if you assume that Russia is composed of only 4% atheists. The International Humanists and Ethical Union (IHEU) reports that less than 15% of Russia is of a religious persuasion, and that the majority (85%) embrace Secular Atheistic Humanism. You really should try to keep yourself properly informed on issues you make brazen statements upon:


Are there still atheists in Russia?
Submitted by webmin on 14 March, 2005 - 19:28.

SOURCE: http://www.iheu.org/node/1213

I visited Moscow on behalf of IHEU before the collapse of the communist regime, I was the guest of the Institute of Scientific Atheism and was taken to atheist museums and ceremonial palaces for atheist weddings and other atheist celebrations. At the institute a large staff of competent atheist scholars did research in the history of freethought and the shortcomings of all the world religions. Every person I met claimed to be an atheist, which really was astonishing for someone coming from the Western side of the iron curtain – where you in a mixed company usually would find different attitudes to religion and beliefs.

"Are there no religious people in the Soviet Union?" I asked one of the leading atheists at the Institute.
"No", he answered. "May be in some of the Muslim republics, but not in Moscow, except for a few old women".

What a misconception! On a train journey in Russia 20 years later – a few months ago – I talked to a group of young students, and none of them looked at themselves as atheists. Most of them had some kind of supernatural leanings and some were churchgoers. On TV and in newspapers priests are regularly quoted on ethics and existential matters.

"Actually the situation is not that bad", said the leader of Russian Humanist Association, Valerii Kuvakin, a well known professor of Philosophy at Moscow University and the author of several books, also translated into English. "The situation for atheists, freethinkers and humanists is approximately the same as in Western Europe. Not more than 15% of the population are religious believers. Since the concept of atheism was so closely connected to communism and the old regime, we were afraid that freethought would be wiped out in the new society. But there is no doubt that Russia today is a secular society, and we have 14 groups of organized humanists in the country, mainly connected to the universities".

Russian Humanist Association, a member of IHEU, publishes a high quality quarterly magazine, with summaries in English. Valerii Kuvakin is mainly working with Humanism as an academic subject, lecturing and writing textbooks for students. Quite surprisingly for me Russian Humanist Association and Moscow State University have together published a textbook called Basics of Contemporary Humanism, which is formally recommended by the Union of Russian Universities and used in the curriculum for students of Philosophy.

"But is this the same kind of ‘Humanism’ that IHEU stands for, Humanism as a conviction, a life stance without beliefs in the supernatural?", I asked. "Absolutely", answered Professor Kuvakin.

"What about the school system, is there compulsory religious instruction?"

"This has become one of our main targets. The school authorities have succeeded to introduce a subject called The Basics of Orthodox Culture, where pupils have to learn dogmas and prayers, even if they are not expected to pray or take part in religious services. We are now trying to introduce Humanism and non-dogmatic moral education as an alternative choice".

"What are your strategies?"

"We send letters to the authorities and write articles in the newspapers. Some Christians become very upset, and one of our honoured members, the Nobel prize winner Vitalii Ginzburg was reported to the police for ‘attack on religious people’".

The pendulum has made a swift turn in the old homeland of atheism. Professor Kuvakin is hoping that a closer cooperation can be developed between Russian Humanist Association and the other IHEU member groups. He feels that more should be done to strengthen the democratic freethought and humanist groups that exist in the former Eastern block, among other means by arranging regional and international meetings where all these groups should be included.

Levi Fragell is former President of IHEU and currently
Chair of the IHEU Committee for Growth and
Development

YOU STILL DID NOT ADDRESS THE LINK I SENT YOU REGARDING RUSSIA'S EXCAVATED SITE DOCUMENTING DINOSAUR AND HUMAN FOOTPRINTS SIDE-BY-SIDE. YOU USED THE "ATHEIST COMMENT" AS A DIVERSION AND RED HERRING TO SHIFT FOCUS OFF THE MAIN TOPIC, A TYPICAL EVOLUTIONIST'S TACTIC TO AVOID THE EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM.

You said, "In fact, evidence for humans and dinosaurs co-existing is really nonexistent...."

Yet you neglect to respond to ALL the "nonexistent" evidence that I posted, which I might remind you was per your request to me. If the evidence of dinosaurs cohabitating with humans is "nonexistent" then what do you call all the artifacts discovered which I posted depicting dinosaurs cohabitating with humans? Everyone can see the total irrationalism of your (il)logic.

You said, "And even IF dinosaurs and humans did co-exist, how on earth does it disprofe evolution?"

Think. It disproves Evolutionism because your theory is exclusively dependent on the evolving of humans 64.75 million years "after" the so-called "extinction" of dinosaurs. If they mutually coexisted, then that means there was no titanic geological passage of time for humans to have evolved, thus there was no evolution, so this means the theory of Evolutionism is false.

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Wow C

Ok, I was wrong about the russians, my bad, should have double checked.

Yet you neglect to respond to ALL the "nonexistent" evidence that I posted, which I might remind you was per your request to me. If the evidence of dinosaurs cohabitating with humans is "nonexistent" then what do you call all the artifacts discovered which I posted depicting dinosaurs cohabitating with humans? Everyone can see the total irrationalism of your (il)logic.
Check out more recent research on theise tracks. Allmost every single one of theise claimed to be human tracks have been discovered to be something else than human.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/mantrack.html
http://www.creation-vs-evolution.us/visual...man-footprints/
http://www.grisda.org/origins/02064.htm
Thoise three are about the first example you gave.

Quote from the article about the russian prints:
"Conclusions
Alleged human or human-like prints alongside dinosaur tracks in Turkmenistan have not been rigorously described or documented. In view of this, and the extensive evidence that millions of years separate non-avian dinosaurs from humans, the tracks in question cannot be regarded as reliable or even probable human prints."
Try doing some research in your local university, you might be suprised.

Think. It disproves Evolutionism because your theory is exclusively dependent on the evolving of humans 64.75 million years "after" the so-called "extinction" of dinosaurs. If they mutually coexisted, then that means there was no titanic geological passage of time for humans to have evolved, thus there was no evolution, so this means the theory of Evolutionism is false.

I think. The theory of evolution is not dependent on humans evolving after dinosaurs. Evolution is the process of change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next, thus slowly chancing the populations attributes and making it more adabtible to it's current habita, using random mutations and natural selection. Evolution can, and does happen even if earth is only 6000 years old. Theory does not say anything about the human origins, age of the earth, origins of life or birth of the universe.

Just out of curiosity, do you think that dinosaurs continued to roam until fairly recent times, only to be destroyed, withouth leaving ANY evidence about their existance (younger than 60m fossils for example) or did humans miracliously spring into life say 60m years ago, not making any technological progres (or damn slow progres), wouldn't give a very bright image of us, wouldn't it?

How do you know that fossilization takes a good few million years to occur? Are you that old to have observed?

Um sure he did... such great sinners Adam and Eve were...

You don't need to directly observe an animal turning into a fossil. We have means to find out how old things are. Carbon dating and such. And if someone now calls radiometric dating fraud, please read a book about it first, if you don't understand it, don't critisise it.

Agreed.

The argument now is that when a someone sees a science book that says the Earth is 4.56 billion years old, and they see a religious text written by some old Jew 2,000 years ago that says the Earth is 6,000 years old, they have several further options.

They could say:

"I don't know."

"My faith in the science book is greater than the religious text."

"My faith in the religious text is greater than the science book."

"I'll pick 1 because I like 1 better than the other / I want 1 to be more true so I'll pick that 1 to believe."

Well, to be exact, one should evaluate the two given sources and then perhaps rate another one above the other. Its not about liking I'm afraid. Using any religious text as a tool to understand how physical world around us works isn't going to get us really far. Think of it as picture about humans anatomy for school purposes vs. self portrait of 4 year-old. Both represent the same thing, and both have their uses. But would you use the later one to train surgeons?



See, there is the key, science isn't about faith or beliving. Its about tested & trialed cold hard facts that science is about.

Humanity needs to repent and seek the Wisdom of God for God has
revealed to me the exact year, month, day, hour, minute, and second of
Jesus Christs second coming. Just know that the year is 2012 and only
those who are spiritually clean and don't abuse drugs, alcohol, and
all the other sins will escape the great testing of humanity in the
Tribulation. Those of you who say oh in the bible it says that God
will rapture us before any tribulations could come onto the world.
Well I have news for you God is going to test every individual in ways
not thought possible or not realized. The rapture isn't until the end
of the world. God will create heaven on Earth and will establish his
Kingdom on Earth and will destroy the Kingdom of Heaven because it
will now be on earth. Humanity will return to there original
perfection and Time will end and no more will humans die. Humans
were created immortal and the only reason why we have died is because
of Adam and Eves original sin. After Adam and Eve ate from the Tree
of Knowledge of Good and Evil which was really the Tree of Death. Yes
there was a tree of death in the Garden of Evil. Both the tree of
Death and the tree of life were created by God and placed in the
Garden of Eden. The Devil full knowing that the second Humans ate
from the tree of death it would alter our genetics instantaneously,
and would cause us to have blood. Why do you think that the Devil
didn't eat from the tree of life because the Tree of life would have
killed him if he ate from it.

In the beginning all creation was harmonious with each other
all animals were passive, all of creation spoke one Universal language
which is why the Serpent aka The Dragon was able to talk to Adam and
Eve. After the Serpent caused Humanity to fall from Grace by the
alteration of his/her genetics by eating from the tree of death God
punished the Dragon by turning him into a snake. The second
punishment of God the father was that he had to confuse the language
so that Humans and Animals no longer could understand each other.
Just as God did this to Humans at Pentecost he did this to the entire
Animal Kingdom so that we could not be tempted by Animals anymore.

What is meant by God created each of us individually and no
two people are alike not even Twins. What is meant by this is that
before we are born God alters our genetics from heaven in our mothers
wombs this is why even identical twins who look exactly alike do not
think or share the exact same ideas as there other twins.

Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by God because almost every person in
the city of Sodom and Gomorrah was a murderer.

Anyway remember if you want to discuss God or Jesus Christ or Angels
further contact me via Aol instant messanger to the sn Showellcore.

My cell # is 1-609-703-1142

p.s. God has revealed to me through visions that he wants all of
humanity to become spiritually clean those that don't become
spiritually clean will be tested by the Wrath of God.

p.s #2.) At the Judgement seat of Christ. Jesus will convict you of
your sins not only from this life but from all of your other lives
that God has allowed you to incarnate to test you further.

p.s. #3.) The lake of fire when it is created will be created at a
specific place on earth that will be visible to the entire human race,
and any other species of creation.

p.s. #4.) The US Govt. Denies the existance of Aliens because they
are afraid that the Aliens will soul scalp them replacing there bodies
with their own souls. The second reason why they don't admit Aliens
exist is because they allow citizens to be abducted for research and
reproduction assistance because in exchange they get advanced
technology. Reason three most people who work for the US government
even the ones who were once humans have been replaced by Aliens who
soul scalped there bodies and took over there minds and now have
complete control of them. .

p.s. #5.) God created the Aliens to watch over the human race there
original name was called the Watchers. There purpose as defined by
God was to prevent humanity from annihalating itself.

p.s. #6.) Evolution is the direct result of God manipulating the Genes
of unborn beings from Heaven while they are in there mothers wombs.
God modifies his creations sometimes to give his creation a better
chance of survival and for population control so that the earth is not
overpopulated.

I will reveal all things that God allows me to reveal when the time is
right until then you humans can continue to wonder on all of your
created secrets.

You're new here, aren't you?

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Yeah... he's very new indeed.

Joined yesterday.


Oooh, now this is fun.

If by the year 2013, and what you said did not happen, what exactly will happen when I come back and reply..?



Wow.. awesome. God will destroy Heaven and put it on Earth! Wohoo!



So you're saying today, the devil isn't capable of communicating with humans?


God talking to you claims outside the Bible would be meaningful. But if God talking to you is what the Bible says, then it's not in any way meaningful in the sense we already have the Bible.


Lake of Fire created on Earth? And Heaven will also be on Earth? Is Earth big enough for Heaven and Hell, and 100 billion people? (Total number of humans that ever lived.)


You believe in aliens?


Where in the Bible does it talk about that? The Watchers?


^^;

In addition, one could consider how the religious text and science compare on other issues. For example, 600 years ago, Christians commonly interpreted their Bibles to indicate that the earth was fixed and immovable. When Copernicus suggested otherwise, he was criticized by Martin Luther, John Calvin, and most other early non-Catholic leaders, and eventually (some 70 years or so after Copernicus' publication) that Catholics also declared the Copernican system un-Biblical.

Now, if one goes back and looks at the passages in Psalms, Joshua, etc., that indicate that the earth is 'fixed and immovable' and that the sun journeys through the heavens 'like a groom' running his race, and that the heavens are like a dome (see Genesis), it is easy to see why early Protestants were deeply skeptical of Copernicus. Reading these passages literally, one would be hard-pressed to come to any other conclusion. We only interpret these passages differently because of our modern scientific viewpoint of the universe and the solar system within it.

Given this history, I do not see why we as Christians should insist on a literal interpretation of Genesis. We know such literal interpretations have proved to be wrong in the past.

We also know the Bible, including Jesus himself, often uses figurative language that could be taken literally but is not intended as such. Consider John Chapter 6, where Jesus talks about the need for people to 'eat his flesh and drink his blood.' The crowd, based on their Jewish world view, took him literally and even some of his disciples could not accept this teaching. Only his closest disciples were 'clued in' that he was not talking literally at all. Rather, he said that his words were spiritual and that the flesh counts for nothing.

I don't think God is at all worried about what we think about biology. However, he is interested in us being honest, and I think it is pretty clear He thinks spiritual matters are more important than the material.

"I don't think God is at all worried about what we think about biology. However, he is interested in us being honest, and I think it is pretty clear He thinks spiritual matters are more important than the material." -Romans 14

I agree. I was a christian for a time myseld and studied the bible. Starting to argue about the bible being absolutely literal from a to o is kind of a fight agaisnt the windmills. As Romans 14 said, Jesus himself used figurative language, so couldn't we make some sort of an assumpsion that the bible might be figurative? Even more, is that really the stuff Christianity is all about?

I also agree.

Regards.

Neal.

...and Dino's ancestors are still here in the mountains. The largest bear I've ever seen was standing in the road this morning holding up traffic. All these tourists are arriving with boats and RV's and nobody could get the bear to move out of the road. I'm not kidding....this thing was as big as my Toyota Tacoma.

Bears are big, but they are not dinosaurs.

The fossil record has no actual instances of dinosaurs and humans coexisting. Neither do we find trilobites with mammals.

As far as cave art, humans have drawn lots of things which do not accurately reflect reality. We have imagination, after all.

If dinosaurs did coexist with humans, we should at least be able to find dinosaur fossils in roughly the same layers as humans. We simply don't.

Dragon addiction? Call God 911

For when ye teach your children that dragons are "cute", wait till one is restored from their DNA.
Then if ye still find them cute, live in Jurrasic Park forever. For ye have become the bait that ye so carefully planted here.
We will chuckle from Heaven.

Didn't Relevations talk about some dragon attacking a pregnant woman?


That's fine, since no 1 argues to bring back the dinosaurs back to life.

Even if dinosaurs could be regenerated from DNA reconstitution they would never be the enormous scale that they once were, because the Edenic Earth's original "upper hydrospheric shield" (Prima Altohydrosphere) collapsed during the Noachian Flood from mass celestial bombardment. It was the compression caused by the shield that created "gigantism" (giantism) and longevity of life in all living things, including humans whose natural stature was 36 feet tall (Noah's Stature); this was the norm and they did not consider themselves as giants as in the True Giants of the Nephilim who were 90 feet tall. The shield compressed the oxygen to be 30% greater and it generated a higher amplitude to the geomagnetic field resulting in gigantism. Because this phenomenon no longer exists, recreated dinosaurs would only be 33% (1/3) of their former stature.

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Right, but if humans have shrunk with the dinosaurs - then the dinosaurs are still a threat, see.

But with what machines and nuclear weapons we got - we probably don't have to fear dinosaurs in the long run.

Most people dont understand the first earth age, there were humans and there were dinosaurs but we were in spiritual bodys....

When lucifer rebelled he changed all that, and God flooded the earth, the whole earth actually probley turned it up side down a shook it like rattle..... it destrooyed everything so when you pick up the bible and start reading you see the earth is dark without form and void..... You should know why...

Hi, Neal...

You may find this interesting, dinosaurs were domesticatable... I believe dinosaurs were cohabitable with man. Hollywood’s dramatic and menacing version of the dinosaurs is overkill… Tyrannosaurus Rex was a scavenger eating the already dead carcasses of other dinosaurs very much like a vulture, not the horrific predator of paleontologist’s or Steven Spielberg’s creative imagination. Here are some images of ancient Inca rock carvings depicting a man riding a triceratops and another flying on the back of a pterodactyl... (Also, it is clear evidence that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaneous, evidence which is in opposition to the Evolutionary Model that separates the two by 65 millions years... hence, Evolution is FALSE; it never happened; it is severe misinterpretation of the data and thus is misconjecture.)









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Not to mention in our flesh body we are alot smarter a whole lot.... Therefore it would be that much easyier to domesticate any animal, --------I mean no flesh and blood what are they going to do bite us




DOH!! Of course I mean our spirtual bodys.....

The fact that humans and dinosaurs co-existed doesn't prove evolution is false.

Supposing for the sake of argument that these artifacts were genuine, why would we think these depicted reality? Would you also accept other ancient depictions of giant jaguars and humans with various kinds of heads were also real? Would you accept that depictions of Icarus flying with his wings of was were genuine?

Humans have a long history of creating fantastic art which combines aspects of reality into unreal combinations. In addition, drawings could have been based on fossils, not on live animals.

In a court of law, which would be considered more reliable evidence?

A: A painting or scultpure showing the depiction of a crime (especially one done by the relative of the victime who would like to believe they know who the perpetrator is).

B: Actual physical evidence from the crime scene that can be documented to be from the scene.

Allowing this type of fantastical artistic evidence to trump volumes of actual physical evidence does not seem to me be a very fair or objective process of judgment.


Secondly, there is some question as to the authenticity of these particular artifacts. See http://www.geocities.com/athens/agora/3958...ly/weekly56.htm and
http://www.pseudoarchaeology.org/b03-ross.html


for example.

Like the Paluxey footprints, we again have another situation where at least a number of aspects can be shown to amount to a hoax.

Romans_14, believe me, if the folks at Christian-forum.net saw a painting in a cave of a man next to a dinosaur, they'll believe it's proof that man and dinosaurs co-existed.

How so? Please, do explain your rationale. I'm eager to know.

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Oh, so the burden of proof is on me.

Well 1 is about biology and the other is about history?

If humans and man co-existed, it proves just that. It proves that all the theory or guesses that man and dinosaurs didn't co-exist are false.