BIG BANG THEORY DISSENT EXPLOSION
In May of 2004, the prominent secular science journal New Scientist published an open letter to the scientific community regarding big bang theory dissent.
Here is that letter:
http://www.cosmologystatement.org/
33 Leading scientist signed the dissent letter:
Secular scientists blast the big bang http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0601skepticism.asp
It seems the public dissent of big bang theory associated with the science journal New Scientist may have broadened.
I cite:
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The open letter, denouncing the orthodoxy of conventional cosmology, urges the funding of alterative approaches. It has now been signed by hundreds of scientists from countries around the globe.
taken from: http://bigbangneverhappened.org/Cosmology2004.html
CREATIONIST ASTRONOMY BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO BIG BANG THEORY
Here is an overview of creationist material regarding astronomy:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/astronomy.asp
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/...alSciences.html
Here are some excellent articles:
Exploding stars point to a young universe
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/stars.asp
A Second Look at Supernova Remnants
http://www.creationinthecrossfire.com/Arti...aeRemnants.html
So Long, Eternal Universe; Hello Beginning, Hello End!”
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2329
The Big Bang Theory—A Scientific Critique
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2635
Arp's Anomalies
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2473
Big Bang Background Radiation—Is that “Roar” of the Heavens Merely Laughter?
by Brad Harrub, Ph.D. and Bert Thompson, Ph.D.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2047
BUMPS IN THE BIG BANG by Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-233.htm
Full Version: Big Bang Theory Dissent & Creationists Astronomy
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BIG BANG............
WE HAVE ALL SEEN DESTRUCTION FOLLOWING BIG BANGS..........OF
.................................... EXPLOSION.................................
What beauty is ever left in rubble?
IT'S AMAZING HOW SCIENCE CAN TELL US SO MUCH BEAUTY CAME FROM
A BIG BANG.
God - Elohim - THE CREATOR
It was a Little Bang!
Creation-ism and Evolution-ism contradict each other...
however
creation and evolution do not.... ( recent scientific understandings are clarifying and supporting this, and are getting away from antiquated theories.)
(think about exactly what that says before jumping out,,,) Scripture supports this fact....
it might take me a while to get back, been busy and not on line much but will get back nevertheless and respond to any and all posts I participated in, in time....
When the prophets of the Old Testament scratched their symbols on animal skins or rocks, they did so because they wanted to preserve the knowledge they had so that their children could use the knowledge to somehow escape the coming disaster that happened before them. So much of that knowledge was lost or burned up or destoyed or hoarded because it could no longer be used. The bible we have now was written for us to tell us what happened before and how we can escape.
Of course, there were books left out and discarded because they could no longer be used in the manner they were written.
When you use the words Creation-ism and Evolution-ism, you have to know what you can say when you are constrained by the definition.
These words are sequential, as in one before the other. You must be created before you can evolve.
An idea must be thought of before it can be considered, but Jehovah is so powerful as to answer you before you ask the question.
That sort of turns the tables. The last is first and the first last.
Does that mean that the cart came before the horse?
No, that just gives you an idea of pulling and pushing.
But then, there is the idea that things are continually evolving into something else. An example is a child evolving into a man and then the man de-evolves into a child.
The child creates the man; the child evolves into a man; so, in that sense, the child becomes the man in the mirror.
The man is created a man in miniature. The form is there; the child creates the body. The child fills the form. That is why Jesus Christ told you that, 'To the children belongs the Kingdom of Heaven.'
When the child has created the body, he evolves into a god, and that way continues his creation. That is why Jesus said, 'Did I not call ye gods?'
Of course, there were books left out and discarded because they could no longer be used in the manner they were written.
When you use the words Creation-ism and Evolution-ism, you have to know what you can say when you are constrained by the definition.
These words are sequential, as in one before the other. You must be created before you can evolve.
An idea must be thought of before it can be considered, but Jehovah is so powerful as to answer you before you ask the question.
That sort of turns the tables. The last is first and the first last.
Does that mean that the cart came before the horse?
No, that just gives you an idea of pulling and pushing.
But then, there is the idea that things are continually evolving into something else. An example is a child evolving into a man and then the man de-evolves into a child.
The child creates the man; the child evolves into a man; so, in that sense, the child becomes the man in the mirror.
The man is created a man in miniature. The form is there; the child creates the body. The child fills the form. That is why Jesus Christ told you that, 'To the children belongs the Kingdom of Heaven.'
When the child has created the body, he evolves into a god, and that way continues his creation. That is why Jesus said, 'Did I not call ye gods?'
It starts out a 'little bang' and gets bigger and bigger and...
This is my big "BANG" theory.
Before the beginning before there was anything there was a Spirit. The Spirit wasn't anywhere because anywhere had not been created yet. The Spirit said I need a Son to keep me company. So the Spirit Said let there be a Son And "BANG" There was a Son. The Father Spirit Said We need A Place to dwell So the Son Spirit Said let there be heavens And "BANG" there were Mature Heavens with constellations and galaxies and all of that. Now The Father Spirit and The Son Spirit were in the Heavens and the Father Spirit Said to The Son Spirit we need a Place to rest our feet. So the Son Spirit said let there be earth And "BANG" there was a mature Earth. You can find the rest of this big "BANG" theory written somewhere.
Before the beginning before there was anything there was a Spirit. The Spirit wasn't anywhere because anywhere had not been created yet. The Spirit said I need a Son to keep me company. So the Spirit Said let there be a Son And "BANG" There was a Son. The Father Spirit Said We need A Place to dwell So the Son Spirit Said let there be heavens And "BANG" there were Mature Heavens with constellations and galaxies and all of that. Now The Father Spirit and The Son Spirit were in the Heavens and the Father Spirit Said to The Son Spirit we need a Place to rest our feet. So the Son Spirit said let there be earth And "BANG" there was a mature Earth. You can find the rest of this big "BANG" theory written somewhere.
Hi Kendemyer:
The Big Bang Theory is a MYTH and men are coming to figure out the difference. Everything in this universe was ‘one’ thing and that one thing we know as “Adam” or “’eth ‘Erets” of Genesis 1:1.
God created this universe as a singularity expression that existed that way for all the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1 with God’s Word (The Logos) being “Heaven” (“‘eth Shamayim”) to this entire Universe. Adam (This Creation = The Earth = blue sphere) was created to represent a perfect representation of what he is in God’s Infinite Realm (left hand golden sphere) where Adam was first called into being “through” God’s Living Word we all share there as “gods” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34). However, the Satanic Rebellion took place in God’s Infinite Realm, which finds Adam pierced directly in two. That is where the ‘son of God’ (Luke 3:38) was originally killed by the devil, which forced God to make His “The Word” incarnate; so He could once again call Adam into existence “IN” Him (Col. 1:16-17). In other words, our entire creation represents the inside of Adam’s broken body, as God is putting Humpty Adam back together again “IN” His Living Word.
The “Earth” of Genesis 1:1 was divided into the waters and the waters (Genesis 1:6+7), so the heavens (spirit witness) could overshadow the earth (water witness) and “heaven” (Genesis 1:8) was called into being as the “only begotten” of that union. Adam’s perfect singularity expression of Genesis 1:1 became divided into the Heavens (unseen realm) and Earth (seen realms) of “This Creation,” which exists in this triune ‘relationship’ with God ‘through’ His “The Word.” However, God could not send “The Word” into our now ‘broken’ creation, because He (Father + Son + Holy Spirit as “ONE”) continued to exist in His Perfect Singularity Expression. That necessitated God’s original sacrifice of “The Word,” which rendered the Father (spirit witness = power of the Most High = Luke 1:35) and Holy Spirit (water witness = Helper = John 16:7). God rejoined the two witnesses (F+HS) of “The Logos” back together, so the “Only Begotten Son OF GOD” (John 3:18) was called into being. Only then could God send “The Logos” (F+S+HS) into this universe to incarnate upon our planet as “Jesus Christ.” Therefore, this broken universe was not called into being from any “Big Bang” at all.
Our scientists are looking at the result of Adam (The Earth = Gen. 1:1) being ‘pierced,’ as the singularity expression THEN took on the triune image we see in our universe today. God is allowing these processes to proceed as planned, because Adam is dead and severed directly in two in His Infinite Realm. However, the relationship of “The Word” and “This Creation” to God represents two realms within ‘time and space,’ as God’s Infinite Realm stands “Beyond The Veil Of Time And Space.” That means everything behind the “Second Veil” is frozen motionless from ‘our’ current perspective. In other words, anyone standing over Adam in God’s Infinite Realm will see him restored as if within a single moment. To everyone incarnate “IN” this universe, on this side of the First Veil, we will see ages upon ages (Eph. 2:7) pass by; even though every event is contained within two ticks of God’s clock in His Infinite Realm. While these diagrams show a linear ‘tabernacle’ expression of these things, in reality ‘The Earth’ is contained and held together (Col. 1:17) “IN” The Word itself.
God’s “The Word” is “ONE” with Him (John 1:1) back in God’s Infinite Realm. You and I cannot see “Christ” incarnate back were we are “gods,” because He is the air we breathe and the very reason we can connect one thought to another. Everyone who calls anything into existence as “gods” in God’s Infinite Realm must use the same “Word of God” in all of those processes. The red (Heaven = Gen. 1:1) intercessory realm between “This Creation” (blue sphere) and God (golden sphere) is none other than the ‘incarnation’ of God’s Living Word (F+S+HS) from His Infinite Realm. All things in this universe were called into being by God ‘through’ His Living Word (John 1:3, Col. 1:16+17). However, nothing about The Word OR Adam (This Creation) is ‘real’ from God’s perspective. All of this appears to Him as the flash of a single instant and the ‘incarnations’ of “The Word” AND Adam (heavens, heaven and earth) are indeed ‘temporary’ and mere reflections of how BOTH exist in His Infinite Realm.
If you look out into the cosmos at night, then you are looking at the inside of Adam’s broken body derived from that original singularity expression that God ‘did’ call into being. The parts on the very outside of Adam’s body were hurled away from the center by the sudden ‘piercing’ of Adam by Satan. It is not that Satan actually cut Adam in two ‘here,’ but God is reconstructing all of the events so Judgment can be carried out within the envelope of ‘Time and Space.’ In short, this entire universe is ‘not’ a creation at all, but a ‘recreation’ of what is indeed infinite (Adam) in His Infinite Realm. The current ‘redshift’ phenomenon was created by Adam’s body suddenly being pierced, as every individual host and component was divided in the same precise moment. This means those components on the outer parts were hurled at much greater speeds than the parts found inside of Adam’s body trying to explode. The cumulative energies being released dampened the effect on the inward parts banging together and transferred those energies to the outward parts being hurled at even greater speeds away from the center. Anyone should be able to realize that our universe is indeed finite, because of the simple truth that an infinite body cannot enlarge. God is preparing Adam for the recreation of Revelation 21:1+ and a long series of similar episodes that will find every particle of matter in this universe obtaining ‘blueshift’ characteristics, as everything becomes conducive to Adam again becoming “one.”
This creation was ‘subjected to futility’ (Rom. 8:20) and so was Adam when Eve (water) and seed (blood) were taken from his side (Gen. 2:20-22). Adam (spirit witness) represents the ‘heavens’ and Eve (water witness = glory of man (earth of Gen. 1:1) = 1Cor. 11:7) represents the ‘earth,’ as the two are rejoined into ‘one flesh’ (singularity expression) and Creation can be conformed to the glory (Romans 8:21) of ‘her’ glorified ‘seed.’ Therefore, the Big Bang represents the events related to Adam (Earth) being shattered into itsy bitsy pieces, which marks the destruction of this universe and NOT how things were called into being LONG before that ever happened about 20 billion years ago (from our perspective). The sixth day races (Gen. 1:26-27) were called into being through evolution, but the seventh day man (Adam) was formed by the hands of the Lord God (Christ) in Genesis 2:7; a microcosm of what God did with “The Word” (F+HS) for the “Son of God” (John 1:34). Therefore, both evolution and creation are true with the former including the element of ‘time.’
In Christ Jesus even now,
Terral
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Ken >> It seems the public dissent of big bang theory associated with the science journal New Scientist may have broadened.
The Big Bang Theory is a MYTH and men are coming to figure out the difference. Everything in this universe was ‘one’ thing and that one thing we know as “Adam” or “’eth ‘Erets” of Genesis 1:1.
God created this universe as a singularity expression that existed that way for all the perfect ages of Genesis 1:1 with God’s Word (The Logos) being “Heaven” (“‘eth Shamayim”) to this entire Universe. Adam (This Creation = The Earth = blue sphere) was created to represent a perfect representation of what he is in God’s Infinite Realm (left hand golden sphere) where Adam was first called into being “through” God’s Living Word we all share there as “gods” (Psalm 82:6, John 10:34). However, the Satanic Rebellion took place in God’s Infinite Realm, which finds Adam pierced directly in two. That is where the ‘son of God’ (Luke 3:38) was originally killed by the devil, which forced God to make His “The Word” incarnate; so He could once again call Adam into existence “IN” Him (Col. 1:16-17). In other words, our entire creation represents the inside of Adam’s broken body, as God is putting Humpty Adam back together again “IN” His Living Word.
The “Earth” of Genesis 1:1 was divided into the waters and the waters (Genesis 1:6+7), so the heavens (spirit witness) could overshadow the earth (water witness) and “heaven” (Genesis 1:8) was called into being as the “only begotten” of that union. Adam’s perfect singularity expression of Genesis 1:1 became divided into the Heavens (unseen realm) and Earth (seen realms) of “This Creation,” which exists in this triune ‘relationship’ with God ‘through’ His “The Word.” However, God could not send “The Word” into our now ‘broken’ creation, because He (Father + Son + Holy Spirit as “ONE”) continued to exist in His Perfect Singularity Expression. That necessitated God’s original sacrifice of “The Word,” which rendered the Father (spirit witness = power of the Most High = Luke 1:35) and Holy Spirit (water witness = Helper = John 16:7). God rejoined the two witnesses (F+HS) of “The Logos” back together, so the “Only Begotten Son OF GOD” (John 3:18) was called into being. Only then could God send “The Logos” (F+S+HS) into this universe to incarnate upon our planet as “Jesus Christ.” Therefore, this broken universe was not called into being from any “Big Bang” at all.
Our scientists are looking at the result of Adam (The Earth = Gen. 1:1) being ‘pierced,’ as the singularity expression THEN took on the triune image we see in our universe today. God is allowing these processes to proceed as planned, because Adam is dead and severed directly in two in His Infinite Realm. However, the relationship of “The Word” and “This Creation” to God represents two realms within ‘time and space,’ as God’s Infinite Realm stands “Beyond The Veil Of Time And Space.” That means everything behind the “Second Veil” is frozen motionless from ‘our’ current perspective. In other words, anyone standing over Adam in God’s Infinite Realm will see him restored as if within a single moment. To everyone incarnate “IN” this universe, on this side of the First Veil, we will see ages upon ages (Eph. 2:7) pass by; even though every event is contained within two ticks of God’s clock in His Infinite Realm. While these diagrams show a linear ‘tabernacle’ expression of these things, in reality ‘The Earth’ is contained and held together (Col. 1:17) “IN” The Word itself.
God’s “The Word” is “ONE” with Him (John 1:1) back in God’s Infinite Realm. You and I cannot see “Christ” incarnate back were we are “gods,” because He is the air we breathe and the very reason we can connect one thought to another. Everyone who calls anything into existence as “gods” in God’s Infinite Realm must use the same “Word of God” in all of those processes. The red (Heaven = Gen. 1:1) intercessory realm between “This Creation” (blue sphere) and God (golden sphere) is none other than the ‘incarnation’ of God’s Living Word (F+S+HS) from His Infinite Realm. All things in this universe were called into being by God ‘through’ His Living Word (John 1:3, Col. 1:16+17). However, nothing about The Word OR Adam (This Creation) is ‘real’ from God’s perspective. All of this appears to Him as the flash of a single instant and the ‘incarnations’ of “The Word” AND Adam (heavens, heaven and earth) are indeed ‘temporary’ and mere reflections of how BOTH exist in His Infinite Realm.
If you look out into the cosmos at night, then you are looking at the inside of Adam’s broken body derived from that original singularity expression that God ‘did’ call into being. The parts on the very outside of Adam’s body were hurled away from the center by the sudden ‘piercing’ of Adam by Satan. It is not that Satan actually cut Adam in two ‘here,’ but God is reconstructing all of the events so Judgment can be carried out within the envelope of ‘Time and Space.’ In short, this entire universe is ‘not’ a creation at all, but a ‘recreation’ of what is indeed infinite (Adam) in His Infinite Realm. The current ‘redshift’ phenomenon was created by Adam’s body suddenly being pierced, as every individual host and component was divided in the same precise moment. This means those components on the outer parts were hurled at much greater speeds than the parts found inside of Adam’s body trying to explode. The cumulative energies being released dampened the effect on the inward parts banging together and transferred those energies to the outward parts being hurled at even greater speeds away from the center. Anyone should be able to realize that our universe is indeed finite, because of the simple truth that an infinite body cannot enlarge. God is preparing Adam for the recreation of Revelation 21:1+ and a long series of similar episodes that will find every particle of matter in this universe obtaining ‘blueshift’ characteristics, as everything becomes conducive to Adam again becoming “one.”
This creation was ‘subjected to futility’ (Rom. 8:20) and so was Adam when Eve (water) and seed (blood) were taken from his side (Gen. 2:20-22). Adam (spirit witness) represents the ‘heavens’ and Eve (water witness = glory of man (earth of Gen. 1:1) = 1Cor. 11:7) represents the ‘earth,’ as the two are rejoined into ‘one flesh’ (singularity expression) and Creation can be conformed to the glory (Romans 8:21) of ‘her’ glorified ‘seed.’ Therefore, the Big Bang represents the events related to Adam (Earth) being shattered into itsy bitsy pieces, which marks the destruction of this universe and NOT how things were called into being LONG before that ever happened about 20 billion years ago (from our perspective). The sixth day races (Gen. 1:26-27) were called into being through evolution, but the seventh day man (Adam) was formed by the hands of the Lord God (Christ) in Genesis 2:7; a microcosm of what God did with “The Word” (F+HS) for the “Son of God” (John 1:34). Therefore, both evolution and creation are true with the former including the element of ‘time.’
In Christ Jesus even now,
Terral
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This is my big "BANG" theory.
Before the beginning before there was anything there was a Spirit. The Spirit wasn't anywhere because anywhere had not been created yet. The Spirit said I need a Son to keep me company. So the Spirit Said let there be a Son And "BANG" There was a Son. The Father Spirit Said We need A Place to dwell So the Son Spirit Said let there be heavens And "BANG" there were Mature Heavens with constellations and galaxies and all of that. Now The Father Spirit and The Son Spirit were in the Heavens and the Father Spirit Said to The Son Spirit we need a Place to rest our feet. So the Son Spirit said let there be earth And "BANG" there was a mature Earth. You can find the rest of this big "BANG" theory written somewhere.
The following information found here.
Was Jesus Created?
John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it was the preexistent Jesus who created all things. "All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made." Notice that John is not content to say only that all things were made through Him, but John adds the fact that "without Him nothing was made."
Paul confirms exactly what John wrote: "For by Him all things were created." Paul goes on to make sure that we understand what he means by all things. These encompass all things "that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him" (Colossians 1:16).
Since Jesus created all things, He could not have been one of the "created things." Paul then adds, so there can be no mistake, "He is before all things, and in him all things hold together" (verse 17, NIV).
Dr. Norman Geisler comments: "The context of this passage makes it clear that there are no exceptions; Christ is the Creator of all things including angels and everything visible or invisible. Nowhere is this made more clear that Christ is not a creature —angelic or otherwise—than in the relation of angels to Him. Since Christ could not be both the Creator of everything and at the same time a creature Himself, it is necessary to conclude that He is Himself the uncreated Creator of all creation" (Christian Apologetics, 1988, p. 338).
He adds a footnote: "In view of the clear teaching that Christ is Creator and not a creature, the Arian misinterpretations of phrases like Christ is 'firstborn' (Colossians 1:15) or 'beginning of creation' (Revelation 3:14) are wrong. Christ is 'firstborn' in the sense of being the unique (not created) Son of God. Christ is first over creation, not first in it" (ibid.).
Micah 5:2 stated that the messianic King to come was "from everlasting." Jesus had appeared in His divine life before His human birth as the priest-king Melchizedek (see Hebrews 7), "having neither beginning of days nor end of life" (verse 3). (Send for our free booklet Who Is God? to learn more.)
Jesus was not created. He existed from eternity along with God the Father.
There is no actual dissent, only misinformed people. Not only is the "Big Bang" a healthy and thriving explanation of our cosmos, but continues to be expanded and developed as we learn more about our Universe. Thanks to M-theory we can even begin to explain why the Big Bang began.
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This is my big "BANG" theory.
Before the beginning before there was anything there was a Spirit. The Spirit wasn't anywhere because anywhere had not been created yet. The Spirit said I need a Son to keep me company. So the Spirit Said let there be a Son And "BANG" There was a Son. The Father Spirit Said We need A Place to dwell So the Son Spirit Said let there be heavens And "BANG" there were Mature Heavens with constellations and galaxies and all of that. Now The Father Spirit and The Son Spirit were in the Heavens and the Father Spirit Said to The Son Spirit we need a Place to rest our feet. So the Son Spirit said let there be earth And "BANG" there was a mature Earth. You can find the rest of this big "BANG" theory written somewhere.
The following information found here.
Was Jesus Created?
John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it was the preexistent Jesus who created all things.along with God the Father.
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD (He was present originally with God (Amplified).
ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. IN HIM WAS LIFE; AND THE LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN. John 1:1-4
FOR IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. AND YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, WHICH IS THE HEAD OF ALL PRINCIPALITY AND POWER.. Col.2:8-10
I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING , SAITH THE LORD, WHICH IS, AND WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY. Revelation 1:8
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Greek gematria: ALPHA = 1 OMEGA = 800
JESUS IS GOD; ALWAYS WAS, ALWAYS WILL BE.
THIS MYSTERY IS REVEALED TO THOSE WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM (Eph.3:9, ICor.2:7, Eph.3:9)
-Nitevision
Hi Fidelio and Nitevision:
We disagree. In the beginning everything in this universe (John 1:3) was ONE THING and no “big bang” had anything to do with God calling all things into being through His Word. The scientists are looking at the ‘destruction’ of that ONE THING that sees the myriad of bits from Adam’s broken body being hurled in every direction. Genesis 1:2-31 is about how God ‘reconstituted’ those remains into what we see in the universe today. The big bang theory is all about how the ONE THING (Adam = Earth of Gen. 1:1) exploded that found ‘darkness upon the face of the deep’ (Gen. 1:2).
Please turn off the CAPS! That is the very first lesson we all learned when we began writing on these Boards. Why does this discussion have to be reduced to a “Jesus is God” Topic rather than focus upon the “Big Bang Theory Dissent & Creationists Astronomy?” My Bible says Jesus Christ is the “Son of God.” John 1:34. Scripture says Christ is “The Word” made flesh (John 1:14) and “The Word” is clearly “with God” in John 1:2. What does “The Word” made flesh say?
Please help me to understand your statement above in light of what Christ says about the “Only True God” who sent Him. Thank you in advance.
In Christ Jesus the Son of God (2Cor. 1:19),
Terral
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Fedelio >> There is no actual dissent, only misinformed people. Not only is the "Big Bang" a healthy and thriving explanation of our cosmos, but continues to be expanded and developed as we learn more about our Universe. Thanks to M-theory we can even begin to explain why the Big Bang began.
We disagree. In the beginning everything in this universe (John 1:3) was ONE THING and no “big bang” had anything to do with God calling all things into being through His Word. The scientists are looking at the ‘destruction’ of that ONE THING that sees the myriad of bits from Adam’s broken body being hurled in every direction. Genesis 1:2-31 is about how God ‘reconstituted’ those remains into what we see in the universe today. The big bang theory is all about how the ONE THING (Adam = Earth of Gen. 1:1) exploded that found ‘darkness upon the face of the deep’ (Gen. 1:2).
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Nitevision >> JESUS IS GOD; ALWAYS WAS, ALWAYS WILL BE.
Please turn off the CAPS! That is the very first lesson we all learned when we began writing on these Boards. Why does this discussion have to be reduced to a “Jesus is God” Topic rather than focus upon the “Big Bang Theory Dissent & Creationists Astronomy?” My Bible says Jesus Christ is the “Son of God.” John 1:34. Scripture says Christ is “The Word” made flesh (John 1:14) and “The Word” is clearly “with God” in John 1:2. What does “The Word” made flesh say?
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“Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.” John 8:42.
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the Only True God, “and” Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3.
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the Only True God, “and” Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3.
Please help me to understand your statement above in light of what Christ says about the “Only True God” who sent Him. Thank you in advance.
In Christ Jesus the Son of God (2Cor. 1:19),
Terral
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This is my big "BANG" theory.
Before the beginning before there was anything there was a Spirit. The Spirit wasn't anywhere because anywhere had not been created yet. The Spirit said I need a Son to keep me company. So the Spirit Said let there be a Son And "BANG" There was a Son. The Father Spirit Said We need A Place to dwell So the Son Spirit Said let there be heavens And "BANG" there were Mature Heavens with constellations and galaxies and all of that. Now The Father Spirit and The Son Spirit were in the Heavens and the Father Spirit Said to The Son Spirit we need a Place to rest our feet. So the Son Spirit said let there be earth And "BANG" there was a mature Earth. You can find the rest of this big "BANG" theory written somewhere.
The following information found here.
Was Jesus Created?
John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it was the preexistent Jesus who created all things.along with God the Father.
IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD (He was present originally with God (Amplified).
ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. IN HIM WAS LIFE; AND THE LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF MEN. John 1:1-4
FOR IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY. AND YE ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, WHICH IS THE HEAD OF ALL PRINCIPALITY AND POWER.. Col.2:8-10
I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING , SAITH THE LORD, WHICH IS, AND WAS, AND WHICH IS TO COME, THE ALMIGHTY. Revelation 1:8
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Greek gematria: ALPHA = 1 OMEGA = 800
JESUS IS GOD; ALWAYS WAS, ALWAYS WILL BE.
THIS MYSTERY IS REVEALED TO THOSE WHO DILIGENTLY SEEK HIM (Eph.3:9, ICor.2:7, Eph.3:9)
-Nitevision
In the beginning? I spoke of before the beginning. Everything is part of creation except the Spirit that is God. Before there was a mouth to speak it what significance did the word serve? So who spoke the words let there be Light?
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Hi Fidelio and Nitevision:
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Fedelio >> There is no actual dissent, only misinformed people. Not only is the "Big Bang" a healthy and thriving explanation of our cosmos, but continues to be expanded and developed as we learn more about our Universe. Thanks to M-theory we can even begin to explain why the Big Bang began.
We disagree. In the beginning everything in this universe (John 1:3) was ONE THING and no “big bang” had anything to do with God calling all things into being through His Word. The scientists are looking at the ‘destruction’ of that ONE THING that sees the myriad of bits from Adam’s broken body being hurled in every direction. Genesis 1:2-31 is about how God ‘reconstituted’ those remains into what we see in the universe today. The big bang theory is all about how the ONE THING (Adam = Earth of Gen. 1:1) exploded that found ‘darkness upon the face of the deep’ (Gen. 1:2).
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Nitevision >> JESUS IS GOD; ALWAYS WAS, ALWAYS WILL BE.
Please turn off the CAPS! That is the very first lesson we all learned when we began writing on these Boards. Why does this discussion have to be reduced to a “Jesus is God” Topic rather than focus upon the “Big Bang Theory Dissent & Creationists Astronomy?” My Bible says Jesus Christ is the “Son of God.” John 1:34. Scripture says Christ is “The Word” made flesh (John 1:14) and “The Word” is clearly “with God” in John 1:2. What does “The Word” made flesh say?
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“Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me.” John 8:42.
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the Only True God, “and” Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3.
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the Only True God, “and” Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” John 17:3.
Please help me to understand your statement above in light of what Christ says about the “Only True God” who sent Him. Thank you in advance.
In Christ Jesus the Son of God (2Cor. 1:19),
Terral
My post was in response to JHAMNER:
"Was Jesus Created?
John 1:3 contains two direct statements that tell us that it was the preexistent Jesus who created all things.along with God the Father."
The verses I referenced are self-explanatory.
Jesus IS God. Scripture interprets scripture. Read IJohn 5:1, John 14:9. No contradiction with John 17:3.
"...and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God , The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Is. 9:6
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and The Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:1-3
"...the full assurance of understanding , to the acknowledgment of the of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" Col.2:2,3
"I and my Father are one." John 10:30
-Nitevision
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