Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Reason #2- You believe that the Antichrist will be involved with the signing of a 7 year covenant with Israel. The Antichrist isn't revealed until he takes over the underground Temple at midweek. The Prince who is to come in Daniel 9 is a Roman general who destroys the Temple in 70 A.D. The "he" who makes a covenant with Israel is a peace negotiator (not the Antichrist). The "he" who takes over the temple and sets up of Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist. Don't expect the Antichrist to be revealed with the signing of a peace treaty or you may miss the start of Daniel's 70th Week.
Reason #3- You believe that the temple has to be rebuilt during Daniel's 70th Week. You will never see a Temple rebuilt above ground because of the resistance of all of Islam. It will be a secret underground excavated chamber where sacrifices will be performed away from the eyes of a disaproving world. The Antichrist will take over this sancuary fortress underneath the Dome of the Rock as the safest place in the Mideast for his command center.
Reason #4- You believe that there will be full 7 years of Tribulation. The first half of the last 7 years will be fairly peaceful and economically prosperous. The s_&* hits the fan at midweek with another mideast war between the Arabs and Israel. Western forces headed by the Antichrist will be forced to occupy Israel to stop the all-out Jihad. Then the economy will crash and a mark will be introduced to recover from the crisis.
(references at grandunifiedprophecies.blogspot.com)
Orates 2007
Full Version: 4 Reasons Daniel's 70th Week May Start Without You
Orates on Apr 17 2007, at 11:56 AM in post #109648 stated,
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The teachers and book writers who have done this, and there are many, are TREADING IN DANGEROUS TERRITORY and must repent! As far as I can tell, the Antichrist is the only one God ‘fulfills His will’ with and is allowed to do this. (Daniel 7:25)
Daniel’s 70th week and the Abomination of Desolation prophecy’s have been the HEART AND SOUL of the ‘prophetic gurus’ since the 70’s.
The ‘father of lies’ as really pulled the wool over the eyes of these ‘sheep in wolves clothing’, Yeshua warned in Matthew 24:4 “Take heed that no man deceive you”. They failed to go back to the beginning, and dig into the Torah and Leviticus 25:8-11, to find the end time answer!
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
When the antichrist divides God’s land (Daniel 11:39) Matthew 24:15 will be fulfilled, (who reads, let him UNDERSTAND). IT’S EVEN BRACKETED FOR US!
Giving Him the glory, gavrial
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The teachers and book writers who have done this, and there are many, are TREADING IN DANGEROUS TERRITORY and must repent! As far as I can tell, the Antichrist is the only one God ‘fulfills His will’ with and is allowed to do this. (Daniel 7:25)
Daniel’s 70th week and the Abomination of Desolation prophecy’s have been the HEART AND SOUL of the ‘prophetic gurus’ since the 70’s.
The ‘father of lies’ as really pulled the wool over the eyes of these ‘sheep in wolves clothing’, Yeshua warned in Matthew 24:4 “Take heed that no man deceive you”. They failed to go back to the beginning, and dig into the Torah and Leviticus 25:8-11, to find the end time answer!
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
When the antichrist divides God’s land (Daniel 11:39) Matthew 24:15 will be fulfilled, (who reads, let him UNDERSTAND). IT’S EVEN BRACKETED FOR US!
Giving Him the glory, gavrial
QUOTE(Gavrial @ Apr 17 2007, 12:23 PM) [snapback]109651[/snapback]
Orates on Apr 17 2007, at 11:56 AM in post #109648 stated,
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The teachers and book writers who have done this, and there are many, are TREADING IN DANGEROUS TERRITORY and must repent! As far as I can tell, the Antichrist is the only one God ‘fulfills His will’ with and is allowed to do this. (Daniel 7:25)
Daniel’s 70th week and the Abomination of Desolation prophecy’s have been the HEART AND SOUL of the ‘prophetic gurus’ since the 70’s.
The ‘father of lies’ as really pulled the wool over the eyes of these ‘sheep in wolves clothing’, Yeshua warned in Matthew 24:4 “Take heed that no man deceive you”. They failed to go back to the beginning, and dig into the Torah and Leviticus 25:8-11, to find the end time answer!
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
When the antichrist divides God’s land (Daniel 11:39) Matthew 24:15 will be fulfilled, (who reads, let him UNDERSTAND). IT’S EVEN BRACKETED FOR US!
Giving Him the glory, gavrial
"When YOU [My disciples standing right here with Me NOW] see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . ." Jesus' first-century disciples saw it! How much clearer could Jesus have stated it!
Preterist
QUOTE(Orates @ Apr 17 2007, 11:56 AM) [snapback]109648[/snapback]
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Reason #2- You believe that the Antichrist will be involved with the signing of a 7 year covenant with Israel. The Antichrist isn't revealed until he takes over the underground Temple at midweek. The Prince who is to come in Daniel 9 is a Roman general who destroys the Temple in 70 A.D. The "he" who makes a covenant with Israel is a peace negotiator (not the Antichrist). The "he" who takes over the temple and sets up of Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist. Don't expect the Antichrist to be revealed with the signing of a peace treaty or you may miss the start of Daniel's 70th Week.
Reason #3- You believe that the temple has to be rebuilt during Daniel's 70th Week. You will never see a Temple rebuilt above ground because of the resistance of all of Islam. It will be a secret underground excavated chamber where sacrifices will be performed away from the eyes of a disaproving world. The Antichrist will take over this sancuary fortress underneath the Dome of the Rock as the safest place in the Mideast for his command center.
Reason #4- You believe that there will be full 7 years of Tribulation. The first half of the last 7 years will be fairly peaceful and economically prosperous. The s_&* hits the fan at midweek with another mideast war between the Arabs and Israel. Western forces headed by the Antichrist will be forced to occupy Israel to stop the all-out Jihad. Then the economy will crash and a mark will be introduced to recover from the crisis.
(references at grandunifiedprophecies.blogspot.com)
Orates 2007
Who was to see the abomination of desolation, Orates? Was it not Jesus' disciples standing right there with Him when He said--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . ?"
Do you not see that it is your erroneous system that causes your need for a rebuilt temple and not the Scriptures themselves? Can you not see that a rebuilt temple goes contrary to God's intended purpose--the vanishing away and becoming obsolete of the OLD (Heb. 8)? Can you not see that a re-institution of sacrifices is a horrible insult to our Lord and Savior who made the ultimate, one-time sacrifice?
Any rebuilt temple will NOT be God-sanctioned!
Preterist
Orates on Apr 17 2007, at 11:56 AM in post #109648 stated,
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The teachers and book writers who have done this, and there are many, are TREADING IN DANGEROUS TERRITORY and must repent! As far as I can tell, the Antichrist is the only one God ‘fulfills His will’ with and is allowed to do this. (Daniel 7:25)
Daniel’s 70th week and the Abomination of Desolation prophecy’s have been the HEART AND SOUL of the ‘prophetic gurus’ since the 70’s.
The ‘father of lies’ as really pulled the wool over the eyes of these ‘sheep in wolves clothing’, Yeshua warned in Matthew 24:4 “Take heed that no man deceive you”. They failed to go back to the beginning, and dig into the Torah and Leviticus 25:8-11, to find the end time answer!
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
When the antichrist divides God’s land (Daniel 11:39) Matthew 24:15 will be fulfilled, (who reads, let him UNDERSTAND). IT’S EVEN BRACKETED FOR US!
Giving Him the glory, gavrial
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The teachers and book writers who have done this, and there are many, are TREADING IN DANGEROUS TERRITORY and must repent! As far as I can tell, the Antichrist is the only one God ‘fulfills His will’ with and is allowed to do this. (Daniel 7:25)
Daniel’s 70th week and the Abomination of Desolation prophecy’s have been the HEART AND SOUL of the ‘prophetic gurus’ since the 70’s.
The ‘father of lies’ as really pulled the wool over the eyes of these ‘sheep in wolves clothing’, Yeshua warned in Matthew 24:4 “Take heed that no man deceive you”. They failed to go back to the beginning, and dig into the Torah and Leviticus 25:8-11, to find the end time answer!
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
When the antichrist divides God’s land (Daniel 11:39) Matthew 24:15 will be fulfilled, (who reads, let him UNDERSTAND). IT’S EVEN BRACKETED FOR US!
Giving Him the glory, gavrial
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Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
I believe this is apparent right now. I used to be pre-trib, here is why I'm not. I never could get around the major issues with post-trib, and I'm still finding confirmation after Biblical confirmation of pre-wrath, so I've gone with that. I agree that it has a blinding effect as is evidenced by the lack of coverage of the political dealings of the European Union and the push for peace in the Middle East. Since I'm new, here's a chart of rapture layout in context of scripture about the exact day framework of the 70th week.
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Reason #2- You believe that the Antichrist will be involved with the signing of a 7 year covenant with Israel. The Antichrist isn't revealed until he takes over the underground Temple at midweek. The Prince who is to come in Daniel 9 is a Roman general who destroys the Temple in 70 A.D. The "he" who makes a covenant with Israel is a peace negotiator (not the Antichrist). The "he" who takes over the temple and sets up of Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist. Don't expect the Antichrist to be revealed with the signing of a peace treaty or you may miss the start of Daniel's 70th Week.
Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Actually, it's the confirming of a covenant for 7 years. What's interesting is how the Euro-Med Agreement in 1995 was intended to bring about peace and security in the Middle East. What is even more interesting is that the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP), which is seven years long (January 1, 2007 - December 31, 2013), "breathed new life into" the Euro-Med agreement. One of the authors and designers of these deals is now at the head of Europe, wearing many crowns (high-ranking positions) that are given to him by the 10 voting member-states of the European Union. This is the 4th Kingdom. And just as prophecied, it's coming out of the old Roman Empire and covering the same areas!
The "he" of Daniel 9:27 is the future prince of the Roman armies that destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. He confirms the covenant with many for one week and stops the sacrifice and oblation.
Matthew 24:15,16I say future prince because of the wording of scripture.
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Daniel 9:26This means that when the soldiers were destroying the temple, the prince had not come yet. The prince is the one who stops the sacrifice and oblation and this is another reference matching the end-times kingdom of the dragon as coming out of the Roman Empire.
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
This is confirmed in Daniel's interpretation of Nebachudnezzar's dream. Notice how every section has a different metal associated with it...except the last two, the legs of iron and the feet/10 toes of iron/clay mix. The progression of kingdoms through history was represented through the human body. 2 arms = Medo-Persia and the 2 legs = Eastern - Western legs of the Roman Empire. The metal content shows distinct and different kingdoms through history, but the last two metals are both Iron.
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Reason #3- You believe that the temple has to be rebuilt during Daniel's 70th Week. You will never see a Temple rebuilt above ground because of the resistance of all of Islam. It will be a secret underground excavated chamber where sacrifices will be performed away from the eyes of a disaproving world. The Antichrist will take over this sancuary fortress underneath the Dome of the Rock as the safest place in the Mideast for his command center.
Something to keep in mind... When Iran, Russia, and Turkey attempt to destroy Israel as depicted in Ezekiel 38, 39 they are destroyed in the mountains of Israel. For the reasons given here, I believe this occurs during the 70th week of Daniel and before the abomination of desolation. At any rate, I believe this will effectively quiet Islam temporarily. I say temporarily because I believe Islam will be the fourth horse, the green horse.
I also believe they will be the army of Joel 2. The time when the antichrist is revealed there will be many signs and lying wonders. This is part of what brings the world to worship the beast because of his power. The false prophet will be able to call fire from heaven as well and the dragon gives the beast (antichrist) his power for 3 1/2 years. I believe that perhaps even the rocks and trees will call out there are Jews behind them, further raising the fervency of the Muslims fulfilling the prophesied genocide of the Jews after the abomination of desolation.
However, the time before the abomination of desolation will probably be much like it is developing now. There is a tentative peace in the works right now, but the radical elements of Islam won't let it happen. You can bet they are going to want to be in on the destruction of the Jewish state though, and when God destroys them in the mountains of Israel, a temporary hush will fall on radical Islam. Enough so that the Jews will be able to rebuild the temple without the outer court. Revelation 11:1,2 It will sit next to the Dome of the Rock.
I think there will be many political shifts in the coming months and things will not be as they are now. For instance, related to the central command center, I just read this story suggesting the UN move their headquarters to Iraq, particularly Babylon!
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Want Middle East Stability? Move UN to Iraq
...The idea of moving U.N. headquarters seems to resonate with many—those who believe that the U.S. is being manipulated by anti-American and anti-Israeli elements within the U.N., as well as those who feel that the U.S. is doing the manipulation. For Americans, it would of course mean the loss of a global status symbol—but it would also mean the reacquisition of valuable New York real estate, fewer cases of diplomatic immunity for the legal systems, and perhaps a reduction of anti-American sentiment worldwide. Where should it go? Try Iraq. While moving the U.N. headquarters to Venezuela or Iran is probably not wise, moving it to Iraq might be a strategic coup. There is even a ready-made location for it—Saddam Hussein’s 600-room palace and compound constructed over the remains of the ancient city of Babylon. Americans might even consider footing the bill for the relocation. Think about it. If the U.S. should be forced to abruptly withdraw from Iraq, a peacekeeping force—something similar to the International Security Assistance Force now in Afghanistan—would probably be deployed. Yet peacekeeping forces under temporary mandates, with all the associated communications problems, functional restrictions, and managerial arguments that so often spring from ego or nationalist pride, generally don’t work. They would be even less viable in a region like Iraq, where the threat of kidnapping and indescribable torture would keep many countries from participating. Relocating U.N. headquarters to Iraq, however, might actually be a reasonable alternative. Former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan agreed with member states’ demands for the U.S. to leave Iraq. Yet he admitted that any force reductions would have to be planned so as not to lead to greater violence and instability. Moving the U.N. to Iraq might be the only method of ensuring that a departure of U.S. forces would not leave the country and the region in chaos. ...
...The idea of moving U.N. headquarters seems to resonate with many—those who believe that the U.S. is being manipulated by anti-American and anti-Israeli elements within the U.N., as well as those who feel that the U.S. is doing the manipulation. For Americans, it would of course mean the loss of a global status symbol—but it would also mean the reacquisition of valuable New York real estate, fewer cases of diplomatic immunity for the legal systems, and perhaps a reduction of anti-American sentiment worldwide. Where should it go? Try Iraq. While moving the U.N. headquarters to Venezuela or Iran is probably not wise, moving it to Iraq might be a strategic coup. There is even a ready-made location for it—Saddam Hussein’s 600-room palace and compound constructed over the remains of the ancient city of Babylon. Americans might even consider footing the bill for the relocation. Think about it. If the U.S. should be forced to abruptly withdraw from Iraq, a peacekeeping force—something similar to the International Security Assistance Force now in Afghanistan—would probably be deployed. Yet peacekeeping forces under temporary mandates, with all the associated communications problems, functional restrictions, and managerial arguments that so often spring from ego or nationalist pride, generally don’t work. They would be even less viable in a region like Iraq, where the threat of kidnapping and indescribable torture would keep many countries from participating. Relocating U.N. headquarters to Iraq, however, might actually be a reasonable alternative. Former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan agreed with member states’ demands for the U.S. to leave Iraq. Yet he admitted that any force reductions would have to be planned so as not to lead to greater violence and instability. Moving the U.N. to Iraq might be the only method of ensuring that a departure of U.S. forces would not leave the country and the region in chaos. ...
And VOILA! Europe could step in and provide the peace and security. With a single leader, Mr. Europe, leading the charge for peace, the world would wonder at this government coming in and fixing the disaster that is Iraq. The world would fall even more in love with Europe's political prowess further sucked into the Babylonian system we're warned to get out of.
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Reason #4- You believe that there will be full 7 years of Tribulation. The first half of the last 7 years will be fairly peaceful and economically prosperous. The s_&* hits the fan at midweek with another mideast war between the Arabs and Israel. Western forces headed by the Antichrist will be forced to occupy Israel to stop the all-out Jihad. Then the economy will crash and a mark will be introduced to recover from the crisis.
The great tribulation is greatly misunderstood by many people, I believe. We must start by Biblically defining our terms and "great tribulation" is only found three times in scripture. It refers to Satan's wrath against Israel initially, but also believers in Yeshua over 3 1/2 years (42 months or 1260 days).
It should be noted that the great tribulation is split into two focuses, Satan's wrath against Israel, and then his wrath against Jews and Christians worldwide. This is laid out in Revelation 12:13-17.
Revelation 12:13-17Notice that the dragon is intent on Israel, the woman that brought forth the manchild initially. It is only after she is protected that he turns his attention to the remnant of her seed and those holding the testimony of Christ.
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Notice that Israel is protected for 1260 days. That is the same length of time that the dragon gives his beast his power. The dragon is cast from heaven by Michael the archangel, who is the restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2. The restrainer must be removed before the antichrist is revealed at the abomination of desolation. That is the key event where Lucifer is cast down, resurrects the beast and gives his power to the beast.
Revelation 13:3-5That lasts for 42 months (1260 days) and is also when the great tribulation begins. However, the abomination of desolation is not in the exact middle of the 2520 days.
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Daniel 12:11I go into the great tribulation in more scriptural detail here. I find this easier to see in chart form:
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
HIStory, Our Future: Pearls for the Bride
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QUOTE(Gavrial @ Apr 17 2007, 12:23 PM) [snapback]109651[/snapback]
Orates on Apr 17 2007, at 11:56 AM in post #109648 stated,
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The 69 weeks ended at the truimphal entry when Christ prophecied the destruction of Jerusalem in Luke 19:41-44. The reason for this judgment was because they didn't recognize the day of the Meshiach Nagid presenting Himself as prophecied in Zechariah 9:9. Interestingly, the time from the triumphal entry (April 6, 32 AD) to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple (August 5, 70 AD) was 14,000 days. What's even more fascinating is where that 14,000 days originated, the wilderness wandering from leaving Mt. Sinai to crossing the Jordan River, 14,000 days straight from the Bible! It's also repeated one final time that I won't get into here because it needs background information. That is all covered in HIStory, Our Future: Pearls for the Bride.
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The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
Do you term "time, time, and dividing time" as referring to the dividing of the land of Israel?
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It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Could you direct me to the explanation of this vision of 2300 days counting down? I know where it is in the Bible, you just seem to imply that it's currently going on. Am I misunderstanding you?
I would like to point out that while destruction comes suddenly, we won't be caught off guard if we're watching.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-6I believe this is what HIStory, Our Future covers, the promise of understanding for those that love and obey Yeshua.
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
John 15:12-15
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
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Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
Genesis 17:4-9Nothing breaks an everlasting covenant with a God who never goes back on His Word.
As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
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Who was to see the abomination of desolation? Was it not Jesus' disciples standing right there with Him when He said--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . ?"
What is an abomination of desolation, and where did Daniel talk about it?
Matthew 24:15-22I would also like to point out there is a difference between "ye" and "you."
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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link: "ye" is the nominative and "you" is the accusative, which is counterintuitive given that thou/thee go the opposite way. When town criers yelled "Hear Ye!", the "ye" in question is the subject, not the object, of the hearing
Therefore, when Christ says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation..." the "ye" is referring to the reader, not those who were with Christ when He said it. We also have the "whoso readeth, let him understand" to speak to the reader.
If the abomination of desolation already happened in their day, then God's Word is broken. Why? Notice the scope of the 70 weeks prophecy. Also, from the abomination of desolation, the beast is given power by the dragon for 42 months. Revelation 13:5 That time ends upon Christ's return in glory. Revelation 19:20
Therefore, Christ returns in glory and sets up the millennial kingdom at the end of the 42 month reign of the antichrist. If that's all over, where's the new heavens and new earth? Revelation clearly lays out the millennium and the great white throne at the end of it.
2 Peter 3:8-10It is within the day of the Lord, which is 1,000 years, that the heavens, earth, and the very elements are melted with a fervent heat. This is after the great white throne judgment. God creates the new heavens and the new earth. If the 70th week was over almost 2,000 years ago, then the perfect heavens and earth God promised for us is severly lacking in righteousness and His glory not to mention New Jerusalem, our home.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
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Do you not see that it is your erroneous system that causes your need for a rebuilt temple and not the Scriptures themselves? Can you not see that a rebuilt temple goes contrary to God's intended purpose--the vanishing away and becoming obsolete of the OLD (Heb. 8)? Can you not see that a re-institution of sacrifices is a horrible insult to our Lord and Savior who made the ultimate, one-time sacrifice?
Any rebuilt temple will NOT be God-sanctioned!
Any rebuilt temple will NOT be God-sanctioned!
The Jews haven't accepted Christ yet. They are blinded currently, until the fulness of the Gentiles. Romans 11:25 Therefore, they (Orthadox Jews) rely on the old system of their forefathers as dictated by God to them to follow. Imagine seeing God wipe out a surpise attack by Russia, Turkey, and Iran with fire and brimstone from heaven just as prophecied in the Old Testament:
Ezekiel 38:16-23Think about where Jews will be spiritually, being blinded to Christ, but seeing the God of their fathers protect them. I believe we will see an Aliyah into Israel of many Jews and a demand to rebuild the temple and begin the daily sacrifice. Just because it is built and in Bible prophecy, Revelation 11:1,2, doesn't mean their sacrifices will do any good. And we know the millennial temple is too large and has an outer court to be this one. In fact, in the days of the shaking of the heavens, God's wrath, the temple will probably collapse along with all the other buildings.
And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 39:21,22
And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
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Orates on Apr 17 2007, at 11:56 AM in post #109648 stated,
Reason #1- You believe that there will be a Pre-Trib Rapture, and when it doesn't happen, you will not accept any of the signs that Daniel's 70th week has started.
Orates, you can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
In DANIEL’S 70th WEEK the first 69 weeks were agriculturally based; their counting had to include the “leap months” TO KEEP THE YEARS AND THEIR SEASONS IN THEIR PROPER PLACE. The 70th week, agriculturally based, also STAYED IN CYCLE!
Daniels 69th week has come and gone, IT ENDED AT the “cutting off” of Yeshua in 32 CE, and like the week before, the 68th, and it being the “70th” fell into its Sabbatical 49 year cycle.
You can’t change God’s cycles, you let the weeks fall as they may and YOU CAN’T MOVE ONE OR EVEN A HALF ONE into a future cycle.
The 69 weeks ended at the truimphal entry when Christ prophecied the destruction of Jerusalem in Luke 19:41-44. The reason for this judgment was because they didn't recognize the day of the Meshiach Nagid presenting Himself as prophecied in Zechariah 9:9. Interestingly, the time from the triumphal entry (April 6, 32 AD) to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple (August 5, 70 AD) was 14,000 days. What's even more fascinating is where that 14,000 days originated, the wilderness wandering from leaving Mt. Sinai to crossing the Jordan River, 14,000 days straight from the Bible! It's also repeated one final time that I won't get into here because it needs background information. That is all covered in [b]HIStory, Our Future: Pearls for the Bride.
QUOTE(Preterist @ Apr 18 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]109700[/snapback]
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
Do you term "time, time, and dividing time" as referring to the dividing of the land of Israel?
QUOTE(Preterist @ Apr 18 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]109700[/snapback]
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
Could you direct me to the explanation of this vision of 2300 days counting down? I know where it is in the Bible, you just seem to imply that it's currently going on. Am I misunderstanding you?
I would like to point out that while destruction comes suddenly, we won't be caught off guard if we're watching.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-6I believe this is what HIStory, Our Future covers, the promise of understanding for those that love and obey Yeshua.
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
John 15:12-15
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
QUOTE(Preterist @ Apr 18 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]109700[/snapback]
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
Genesis 17:4-9Nothing breaks an everlasting covenant with a God who never goes back on His Word.
As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
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Who was to see the abomination of desolation? Was it not Jesus' disciples standing right there with Him when He said--"When YOU see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet . . . ?"
What is an abomination of desolation, and where did Daniel talk about it?
Matthew 24:15-22I would also like to point out there is a difference between "ye" and "you."
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
QUOTE
link: "ye" is the nominative and "you" is the accusative, which is counterintuitive given that thou/thee go the opposite way. When town criers yelled "Hear Ye!", the "ye" in question is the subject, not the object, of the hearing
Therefore, when Christ says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation..." the "ye" is referring to the reader, not those who were with Christ when He said it. We also have the "whoso readeth, let him understand" to speak to the reader.
If the abomination of desolation already happened in their day, then God's Word is broken. Why? Notice the scope of the 70 weeks prophecy. Also, from the abomination of desolation, the beast is given power by the dragon for 42 months. Revelation 13:5 That time ends upon Christ's return in glory. Revelation 19:20
Therefore, Christ returns in glory and sets up the millennial kingdom at the end of the 42 month reign of the antichrist. If that's all over, where's the new heavens and new earth? Revelation clearly lays out the millennium and the great white throne at the end of it.
2 Peter 3:8-10It is within the day of the Lord, which is 1,000 years, that the heavens, earth, and the very elements are melted with a fervent heat. This is after the great white throne judgment. God creates the new heavens and the new earth. If the 70th week was over almost 2,000 years ago, then the perfect heavens and earth God promised for us is severly lacking in righteousness and His glory not to mention New Jerusalem, our home.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
QUOTE(Preterist @ Apr 18 2007, 03:03 AM) [snapback]109700[/snapback]
Do you not see that it is your erroneous system that causes your need for a rebuilt temple and not the Scriptures themselves? Can you not see that a rebuilt temple goes contrary to God's intended purpose--the vanishing away and becoming obsolete of the OLD (Heb. 8)? Can you not see that a re-institution of sacrifices is a horrible insult to our Lord and Savior who made the ultimate, one-time sacrifice?
Any rebuilt temple will NOT be God-sanctioned!
Any rebuilt temple will NOT be God-sanctioned!
The Jews haven't accepted Christ yet. They are blinded currently, until the fulness of the Gentiles. Romans 11:25 Therefore, they (Orthadox Jews) rely on the old system of their forefathers as dictated by God to them to follow. Imagine seeing God wipe out a surpise attack by Russia, Turkey, and Iran with fire and brimstone from heaven just as prophecied in the Old Testament:
Ezekiel 38:16-23Think about where Jews will be spiritually, being blinded to Christ, but seeing the God of their fathers protect them. I believe we will see an Aliyah into Israel of many Jews and a demand to rebuild the temple and begin the daily sacrifice. Just because it is built and in Bible prophecy, Revelation 11:1,2, doesn't mean their sacrifices will do any good. And we know the millennial temple is too large and has an outer court to be this one. In fact, in the days of the shaking of the heavens, God's wrath, the temple will probably collapse along with all the other buildings.
And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Ezekiel 39:21,22
And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Triton57--In your post above, you incorrectly attributed some quotes to me (preterist) which are not mine! I believe they belonged to Orates. I would NEVER say such erroneous things!
Preterist
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Triton57--In your post above, you incorrectly attributed some quotes to me (preterist) which are not mine! I believe they belonged to Orates. I would NEVER say such erroneous things!
Preterist
Hey Preterist, you are correct and I apologize for the error.
This was actually not said by you, but rather Gavrial:
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The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
This was also Gavrial:
QUOTE
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
As well as this:
QUOTE
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
Again, I'm sorry for the error, I'm not sure what happened.
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QUOTE(Preterist @ May 10 2007, 04:56 AM) [snapback]112042[/snapback]
Triton57--In your post above, you incorrectly attributed some quotes to me (preterist) which are not mine! I believe they belonged to Orates. I would NEVER say such erroneous things!
Preterist
Hey Preterist, you are correct and I apologize for the error.
This was actually not said by you, but rather [b]Gavrial:
QUOTE
The enemy, Satan knew that the ‘TIME, TIMES AND DIVIDING TIME’ of God’s land would be, as it has been, the preminent ‘controversy’ of the last days.
This was also Gavrial:
QUOTE
It is a ‘blown cover as cover’ scheme, to KEEP OUR EYES AND MINDS OFF the ‘Controversy over Zion’, as the ‘VISION’ OF 2300 DAYS counts down unimpeded, then “at an instant, sudden destruction” comes upon us as a snare!
As well as this:
QUOTE
Make no doubt about it, the Abomination of Desolation will break God’s existing inherited land covenant with Israel.(Genesis 12:7, Psalm 105:9-11), and HAS NOTHING TO DO Daniel’s 70th week.
Again, I'm sorry for the error, I'm not sure what happened.
Thank you for the correction!
Preterist
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