Man for any of you who know about this help me out.



I guess I'll go right into it like this:



The Terrorist attakcs were God's Judgement according to some Christians out there. It was for Judging America because it has gotten corrupt and evil.



Well there's all those 'theories' out there now and even the Non Christian world out there is starting to pick up on it that 9/11 was an Inside Job and the Government was behind it.



We all know about the Illuminati, Evil Organizations, New World Order and it all ties in with that.



There are alot of COVER UPS for things happening that the Government itself is really behind.



But anyway, my question is can it be God's Judgement WHILE it still being an Inside Job?



Like, the ACTUAL Event itself was God's judgement on America, but in the worldly view, it was the Corrupt world powers behind it, which SATAN is behind.



Yes that makes sense, September 11 was God's judgement yet we still haven't repented, but the people actually doing it were those that God intended/intends to judge too.



This isn't a question of whether or not our Government or any Government is evil. I believe we're all there by now in our understanding, The Powers Of The World are all those evil Kingdoms talked about in places like Daniel and Revelation. And they are Satan's pawns while the citizens are THEIR pawns.



But then it comes around that God was judging us with it and i dunno, it's just when you see these Two things together, it just seems kinda weird.



I guess it's just a simple yes or no question.


thanks.

I read this in my Bible the day that 9/11 happened...

Eze 19:10 ¶ Thy mother [is] like a vine in thy blood, planted by the waters: she was fruitful and full of branches by reason of many waters. 11 And she had strong rods for the sceptres of them that bare rule, and her stature was exalted among the thick branches, and she appeared in her height with the multitude of her branches. 12 But she was plucked up in fury, she was cast down to the ground, and the east wind dried up her fruit: her strong rods were broken and withered; the fire consumed them. 13 And now she [is] planted in the wilderness, in a dry and thirsty ground. 14 And fire is gone out of a rod of her branches, [which] hath devoured her fruit, so that she hath no strong rod [to be] a sceptre to rule. This [is] a lamentation, and shall be for a lamentation.

Yes, in a sense you are correct. God "allowed" it to occur because, like an individual, a nation, America, reaps what it sows, hence it is a judgment for our national evil, like the manifest and mounting sin of idolatry, witchcraft, 30,000,000 aborted babies in the last decade alone, homosexuality, heterosexual licentiousness, drugs, prostitution, pornography, etc. Just as when Ancient Israel turned to idols and their sin nature, God, too, "allowed" the plans of Israel’s earthly enemies to flourish against Israel, and Israel was subsequently overcome by invaders, i.e. the Assyrians, Persians, Egyptians, etc. This happens when the sin reaches intolerable levels and God must remove Himself from the nation, thus the absence of His Presence "allows" vulnerability from the enemy nations. But everything is according to the Lord’s Master Plan, even Satan must go to the Throne Room and ask permission from God to do his evil, and the presence of our sin becomes the open door that “allows” Satan’s request to be granted.

Will God totally remove Himself from a nation if there is a remnant left?

Here are some places that are Answering questions...

" http://www.defendrosie.com/forum/index.php/topic,57.0.html "

" http://www.911inplanesite.com/ "

" http://thepowerhour.com/welcome.htm "

" http://www.911eyewitness.com/ "

" http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ "

" http://www.911inplanesite.com/911synopsis.html "

" http://www.policestate21.com/ "
And YHVH "GOD" will always bring judgement to societies that become decadent, corrupt, immoral, GODless, and self absorbed......Like the U.S. is Today!
How many Abortions have their been in Our Beloved Land since 1973?
50 Million or more!..................This alone will bring the wrath of GOD!

watch this guy "the Last surviving Person to be pulled out" from under the wreckage at the World Trade Center at 9-11

" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4380137365762802294 "

First I totally agree with the answer that Seven has given.

I want to add, that what he described is also a "world situation"...all nations are far from Him, and sinning. So judgement is coming on us all. America, is the leader nation and has showed the example and the rest has followed.

God has always worked with a remnant. His arm is not to short to save His own.Amongst all the apostate "churches" in the world, there are the remnant. We see the example of this through the Bible. We see the Calebs and Joshuas still with us today. Some people still walk in the spirit of these tow men. Just as many are walking in the spirit of the rebellious Israel.

Josh, yes you are correct. The Bible tells us that the hearts of the kings are in God's hand. He turns the heart in the way it must go for His purpose to be fulfilled. Like Seven has said: the Devil must get permission to do his work from God and God looks to see if there is sin. If there is sin, the Devil gets permission (unless like Job, where it is a test...,but that is another thread )

So 9/11 happened because God ordained it to be so . He used the evil that is in this world to bring it to pass.That was a warning to the whole world.

I believe its no coincidence that it happened on 9-11. Its 911. Emergency! God wants us to "call" (pray) to Him and ask Him to help. Repentance is needed.



Then came the hurricanes.....tsunami....earthquakes....all very fast in a row. But its going to intensify from now on. I really believe that we have at the most still one year left before the tribulation starts.
C

Hi, Mrs. Armywife02...

In answer to your question and in addition to what "C" has conveyed... Yes, you are right, the presence of the Righteous are the "salt of the earth", and salt is a preservative that preserves (prevents) rot and decay and total deterioration, so the terrorist attack of 9/11 was not a complete removal of God's Protection from the U.S., for the nation still stands today. The event was a chastising judgment from God, a warning as "C" has relayed.

However, with the lack of repenting and the refusal for the American Nation to turn wholeheartedly to the Lord eventually the spiritual principles that God has established in Leviticus 18:26-28 will have to manifest to their fullest onslaught to counteract the manifest evil in order to return equilibrium towards God. Thus, when perversion saturates and defiles the land (a nation), then automatically the land must “vomit out its inhabitants”; this usually transpires through a military invasion and the inhabitants are slaughtered and genocide. When this occurs the Lord entirely removes His protective Presence and the result will be complete and total annihilation of the United States as the Lord had ordained for Sodom and Gomorrah and the Plain there of, a former great global nation in our remote past, predating our known history. And most likely when this occurs, as Lot and his family, the righteous remnant, were removed from the region, so also must happen in the pending doom for America. Yet most likely, as in the days of Lot, so also there shall not be found amongst the inhabitant 10 righteous men.

Until that day comes there will be many more “warnings” and opportunistic attacks from the enemy; perhaps even one morning we will wake up to the unbelievable news that Washington D.C. and New York City have been entirely obliterated of the face of the earth by nuclear detonations. Will the unrighteous humble themselves, abandon their idols, reject their perverted lifestyles and turn to God? Or, will we continue further down the road of wreck and ruin? Time will tell.

Leviticus 18:26-28… “You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit and of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who sojourns among you (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), ‘lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you.”

It is interesting, also, that when the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed (twice) due to Israel’s sins, this always occurred on the 9th day of the Jewish months of Av. The number “9” is the number of “destruction”, being the number of "judgment", and the 9th letter of the Hebrew alphabet is the “Teth”, a symbol for the “Serpent”. Hence, God “allowed” the “Serpent” (Satan) to administer the destruction due to Israel’s sins. What is also interesting is that the Terrorist Attack of 9/11 has a double meaning… the “9th month” and the “11th day” sums to the number “11” (9+1+1=11), which is the number of “confusion”. And who is the “god of confusion”? Satan. Simultaneously, what we “think” of as the 9th month, i.e. “September”, was originally the “7th” month in the Roman Julian calendar, but was altered by the Gregorian calendar, and made into the current “9th” chronological month. The name “September” comes from the Latin “sept-”, which means “seven”. With this interpretation considered, the reality is that “September, 11” is actually “7/11”, and more accurately sums to “9” (7+1+1=9), being the number of “destruction” amd "judgement", the number of the “Serpent”; even Satanists will tell you that the number “9” is the number that Satan claims as his own.

Blessings to you...

THE SEVEN THUNDERS

All Americans should watch this video about 9/11

Hero

awesome work you guys...

when we know the truth, the truth shall set us free
it is time to realize what happened, why, and where
we go from here...

globalization is a reality, and we haven't yet seen
how all the pieces fit...

for those that have ears, hear
for those that have eyes, see

o, if the people of God would be on their knees
for we look at the very ikon of freedom, America
and it is crumbling from the recklessness and
abandonment that defies God in everyway.

liberty is not an act of defiance in the name
of might and right.

it is the knowledge and relationship with Jesus Christ
that sets order in the world, nothing else can do it.

o, America how God shed His grace on thee...

alright i guess it's been answered now.

Josh,

Mind if I ask you something....

If you believe in the possibility of 9-11 being a conspiracy... how can it be a judgement from God???

That is if I didn't misunderstand you when you stated to Terral "I believe it too Terral." Hope I didn't confuse what you were saying if you believed the governments story or if you believed the conspiracy. Me realizing you might believe the governments story, and affirming that to Terral....

Anyway.

Just wondering...

well both make sense.




that's what i'm trying to ask.




i mean yes we know that God judges evil nations, and we're the baddest of the bad.




And if there's evidence of it being an inside job as well, then it's simply BOTH.




Unless it was NOT a Judgement from God...? Perhaps a TRUE Judgement of God will occur in the future when Foreign powers destroy America which alot of people have been talking about seeing in their Visions and Dreams and what not.

Josh knows and understands that God is sovereign.
Just like Pharaoh thought he did all that he did because he was Pharaoh . But it was God all the time hardening his heart, so that the will of the Lord could be done.Look at this scripture, it tell us that the heart of a king is in the hand of God. They might conspire, but its God that causes the wicked to do His will, so the His plan can come to pass:

Pro 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Pretty neat
C

Sunday, August 06, 2006
The Dangers of 9/11 Conpsiracy Theories
Posted by: Michael Medved at 3:54 AM


A new poll from the respected Scripps Research Center at the University of Ohio suggests that more than a third of Americans believe that 9/11 was an "inside job" -- an ignorant, paranoid point of view that not only threatens the future of the Republic, but the welfare of any deluded souls foolish enough to entertain it.

Thirty-six percent of respondents said it was "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted to the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

Leave aside the obvious questions -- if these "government officials" wanted to go to war in the Middle East, then why did they attack Afghanistan (in Asia) first? If that war had gone badly (as many experts predicted) wouldn't it have put a kibosh on any future efforts to get rid of Saddam Hussein?

And if the US government was really behind 9/11, then why do Osama bin Laden and Ayman al Zawahri proudly claim credit for the attacks in all their recent tapes and videos? If you believe that these murderous fanatics are actually working for the CIA, then were they somehow serving the interests of the top-level cabal with all their previous attacks (the first strike at the WTC in '93, the East Africa embassy bombings, the USS Cole, etc)? Were these mass murders somehow intended to get us ready for 9/11? And why were they necessary, with each terrorist incident increasing the chance that the evil conspiracy would be exposed?

If Bush and his cronies planted dynamite in the Twin Towers (as an alarming 16% of Americans-- or some 45 million of us reportedly believe) then why did they need to go through the whole elaborate charade of the hi-jackings and the crashing planes? After all, it was conventional dynamiting that was used against the World Trade Center the first time (under Clinton). Wouldn't it have been easier and more logical, if you wanted to set up a fake terrorist incident and balme Middle Eastern extremists, to use the same methods those fanatics had been known to use the first time? So much could have gone wrong for the plotters in trying to combine hi-jackings and dynamite. And why bother with Building 7, and bring that one down some seven hours after the planes crashed?

If Bush knew in advance what was coming, why did he look so confused and indecisive in the first hours of the tragedy? Wouldn't he have prepared for a more heroic posture in the face of attack than continuing to read "My Pet Goat." Moreover, political leaders (particularly in a democratic nation) make every attempt to prside over successes, rather than fiascos. The idea that nineteen terrorists with boxcutters could hi-jack four planes and that the mightiest military in the world couldn't shoot down or intercept even one of them did not make the leaders of the nation look good, or inspire confidence on the part of the shocked public. Yet the "inside job" loon dogs want us to believe that Clinton and Bush, Democrats and Republicans, media and military, all came together to inflict damage not just on the public, but on themselves.

Instead of answering such questions, the opportunists, demagogues and truly pathetic lunatics who traffic in speculation of deep, dire 9/11 plots like to focus on details of theirown dishonestly presented (or misunderstood) evidence---the hole in the Pentagon was too small for a big plane, the fire in the WTC couldn't have burned hot enough to destroy the buildings, the debris of United 93 was scattered over too wide an area, and so forth. But all reputable scientists who have bothered to look at these details (for Popular Mechanics magazine in a memorable special issue, and of course in the 9/11 Commission report) have discounted and answered the silly or ill-informed objections of the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement.

Naturally, the skeptics and conspiracists assume that the 9/11 Commission, with its hundreds of staff, thousands of interviews, and billions of pages of research, is just part of an elaborate coverup. This means that a group of distinguished Democrats and Republicans, representing every faction in partisan politics, decided on a unanimous collaboration to hide the greatest crime in American history. Their final report to the nation found plenty of evidence of mistakes and incompetence (from both Clinton and Bush administrations) but no evidence whatever of willful malfeasance, let alone murder. Meanwhile, any conspiracy to plan (and then coverup) the purported "inside job" must also include the world's media, since any serious indication of a governmental mass murder of this magnitude would constitute the greatest scoop of all time. With hundreds of thousands of individuals and dozens of agencies necessarily involved in a 9/11 conspiracy and coverup (the White House, the military, the FAA, the FBI, CIA, the Congress, the Justice Department, the NSA, the 9/11 Commission, journalists and more) wouldn't we reasonably expect at least one of the particpants to come forward now, at a time the Iraq War has become deeply unpopular, to blow the whistle on the whole evil plan?

It's profoundly and obviously unhealthy in a representative Republic to see one third of its populace leaving the political mainstream and isolating themselves on the fringes on a matter of such grave, transcendent public import. People who believe in the "inside job" delusion will be less likely to vote, to participate in civic affairs, or to take any part in the wicked world around them beyond trolling endlessly on the internet for ever more confirmation of their wild and woolly version of reality. Think about the conclusions this point of view requires: conspiracists must conclude that top government officials knowingly allowed dedicated fire fighters and other rescuers to rush into burning buildings, knowing that the buildings would soon be demolished. Nearly 400 of these heroes perished on September 11th. If any American honestly believes that top officials are capable of such monstrous cruelty, wouldn't that justify the most extreme measures (including violence) in resistance to such vicious tyrants?

This demented view of American institutions not only threatens the nation at large but also menaces the success and welfare of the individuals who embrace it. Any psychologist, sociologist or businessman can tell you that paranoia, alienation and deep pessimism about the world will undermine chances for professional or personal life success. In order to win the trust of others you must grant trust to others, and assumptions about 9/11 as an "Inside Job" will lead to the most distrustful possible attitude to your fellow Americans. True believers in this insanity must assume that the rest of us are either participants in the conspiracy, or mindless dupes in the control of nameless, all-powerful forces. The tragedy is that the conspiracy-mongering about the darkest day in our history exactly echoes the fanatic and psychotic global anti-Americanism which, in other parts of the world, leads young men to strap dynamite to their bodies to become homicide bombers. Most observers can see the way that obsessive hatred of the US and its government paralyzes whole populations and damages chances of progress. The same process will apply to the U.S., if enough of us actually endorse the paranoia.

The best way to counter the growing popularity of 9/11 conspiracy theories is to expose them for the shabby frauds they are and to highlight the harm they can do to individuals as well as society at large. The new polling suggests we need more conversation about this alarming trend, not less, and a concerted effort (on the radio and elsewhere) to help our temporarily misguided fellow-citizens leave behind the fetid fever swamps of fear, to return to the real world of challenge and logic, and to get a grip.



http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/2...9a-80d4e788c7f5

If that happened I would be the first to agree. But the more they try to cover up the more obvious the conspiracy. Plus they cannot disprove the so called theories, that is even more upsetting.
I am still looking for the plane that flew into the pentagon! Am I missing something, or is it normal to accept something without evidence...where is the plane?

C

Well I'd just like to say that it saddens me that soo many christians are essentially calling for the judgement of America, and it is in their power to stop such a judgement simply by going out and witnessing and living the life of Christ...

After all God judges nations who used to follow Him due to the failure of His people within those nations. But if you as a christian wish to be sold into slavery to Babylon, because you desire to complain about America and desire for it to be "judged" instead of fixing the problem then that is up to you.

If America is judged for its "wrongdoings", then it is due to the followers of Christ not performing their duties! And they are calling for their own judgement.... that is very scary and sad to me.

If the hijackers were Islamic then the "judgement" was from Allah.... After all many islamics claim 9-11 was a judgement against the "great satan" by "Allah's martyrs". So which God do we serve Allah or God?

And IMO if 9-11 was a "conspiracy"; and I am not saying it was, to bring about war against the taliban and Iraq then it was a D*** good thing!!!

Maybe now they will have to wait a few years to nuke us and by then we may have deterrants!

Please understand it is not just america that is under judgement. It is happening everywhere. Some people can recognize the judgement some people wont some people will say oh it happened before so it is normal thing. The climate change is not just happening to earth it is happening all over solar system. There is nothing noone can do. Only Jesus himself can fix all this.

Lastly they will be more disaster happening everywhere.




We serve Jesus Christ.

No disrespect intended to anyone here, but I must ask these questions:

1.)Why is GOD so interested in only punishing the US based on abortions? There have been as many abortions in Europe since and before 1973 - perhaps even more! - than the US. There HAS to be many, many more in China (they do not report reliably) based on shear numbers of people and their policy of 'population control'.

2.) We have pornography, prostitution, drugs, homosexuality, etc here, but it is the same in Europe and Asia. In fact, prostitution and drug use is legal in many European countries. The US is over 200 years old and yet these problems have been around in Europe for much longer than that. Is the US gonna get whats coming to it because GOD has it out for the old USA and everyone else gets a pass?

3.) Weekly church attendance in Europe is now around 10%. But in the US it is still much, much higher. Although church attendance does not truly indicate a nations true spiritual condition, it is certainly a rather large factor, don't you think? So why wouldn't GOD wipe out the Europeans for forgetting HIM?

So what makes everyone think that the US is going to get punished more than any other country in the world? That the US is being treated like the Israel of old? We have turned our backs on the LORD, and despite the fact that there are probably more believers in CHRIST here than anywhere else in the world we all deserve to get whacked? Is that what makes GOD more upset and ticked off at America than any other nation in the world? I am having a hard time with that theology.

I just have to ask, because I see these things said ALL THE TIME.

Good question !!

I was also thinking about that. Do you think that maybe its got something to do that you guys are looked upon as the leaders of the Western world? You are the most powerful western nation. You guys lead.

But rest assure, you are not the only ones. Its everywhere. We are having THE most strangest of weather patterns, Our winter rain area is getting rain in summer, and the summer area is dry.
We have had a tsunami that wiped out a huge section of our eastern coastline . Buildings disappeared, some houses are hanging over a cliff now.Some beaches have shrunk in size, where they were large , white strips, they are now narrow..
God is busy shaking everything. You all are in the lead though.Well, that is what I think.

C

C..I totally agree with you...I no longer live in the USA, but I am a citizen of that great nation. It will always be home.

American carries so much influence in the world, where I am, people follow the US in everything, from food to technology.

All nations are being judged..check out the earthquake center, see all the quakes all over, not just American.
Mudslides, drought, volcano's, tsunami's, wars, bombing, hunger and diseases of all kinds are happening in all countries at present.

We are all in a war over terrorism, sexual assault on our children, murder of Christians. Everywhere you look in the news it is the same in all the world.

America was founded on Christian principles, cults are springing up everywhere there and here, abortion is everywhere, but as far as I know..America is the only place to allow partial birth abortion.(I hope I am wrong on that one)

You have people in all countries doing there best to destroy Christianity..google earth charter.
When you see on the news..some of the things happening in America now..children being arrested, children being giving drugs by family members, children being raped by father, and mothers taken their daughters to be sexual assaulted, it is so heartbreaking to see.

All I can say is

" Come quickly Lord Jesus"

The Lord judges His House FIRST. The U.S.A., called the “Hammer of the Earth”, has a unique allied relationship with Israel, unlike any other nation, and initially as a Christian nation was the instrumental nucleus of global evangelism, the spread of the Gospel and the Good Book, and missionary ventures; yet, simultaneously it has become the “Daughter of Babylon” whom has exported the debased trappings of a decayed culturalism to the “other” nations worldwide, and thus shall be judged, specifically described in the Book of Jeremiah 50 and 51, this is America, as when ancient Israel turned to foreign idols and was judged. But God’s plan all along is to rise up the “New JerUSAlem”, which is NOT “historical” Jerusalem. Few Christians are aware of this, and even fewer know it. It is “after” God judges His House that he will then judge the rest of the world; so no, there is no “free pass” for the rest of the nations. Pastor Sheldon Emry thoroughly explains how America fits the notion of the “New Jerusalem”, which I have copied below, including his link. The judgment of America is to cleanse it for its true destined purpose, and the rest of the world shall follow in this purpose.
Additionally, in combination to this is the incredible research of Roy Taylor (link below), who has produced a fascinating possibility that the Ark of the Covenant is actually in America, in Arkansas (“ark + carriers”) buried beneath Mount Magazine (“storage mountain”). Open the link below and follow the analysis to each successive page by clicking on the next page at the bottom of each page. Roy Taylor documents how the prophet Jeremiah left the Holy Land with the Ark and the Tribe of Dan to Tarshish (British Isles) and from the writings of the Ancient Bards pieced together the trek of the “Holy Thing” by Divine Providence to the Mississippi River Valley of America where it was subsequently hidden under the Blue Mountains. My research in this matter confirms Taylor’s research based off what I identify as the “Christ Code” dealing with the synchronicity and integration of an “octaprime nanosequential numeric code” based on the number “8” that is affiliated with the Mount Magazine site of the Ark in a perfect 44º angular alignment relationship to historical Jerusalem.

PASTOR SHELDON EMRY: (link has been corrected)
http://usa-the-republic.com/sheldon%20emry...0jerusalem.html


ROY TAYLOR MINISTRIES: (link has been corrected)
ARK OF THE COVENANT THE MYSTERY OF THE SEVEN THUNDERS PAGE ONE
AMERICAN PIE AND THE ARMAGEDDON BIBLE PROPHECY
http://www.roytaylorministries.com/am00097.htm


The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
By Pastor Sheldon Emry

Historic Jerusalem is not Prophetic Jerusalem
"For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem" (Isaiah 2:3).
Jerusalem, Jerusalem. There is probably more confused preaching in recent years on "Jerusalem" than on any other name from Scripture except perhaps "Jew."
Scripture, such as that quoted above, is used by a great many Christian ministers to mean the literal city of Jerusalem in old Palestine. They say that there God is going to restore His Israel people and begin to set up His earthly kingdom from which Jewish missionaries will go out to preach the gospel all over the world! Other ministers claim this Jerusalem is a "heavenly" city located somewhere other than on the earth.
One of the major sources of confusion in today's preaching comes from ministers who are unable to separate historic Biblical cities from prophetic cities of the Bible. They do fairly well on Babylon, since the actual city has been destroyed and exits no more in the earth. So when "Babylon" is used in prophecy, they realize it must be something other than the old city.
But with Jerusalem they are fooled. Because the old city still exists and still carries its ancient name, they assume prophetic Jerusalem must have something to do with the old city of Jerusalem.
It was Voltaire who is credited with saying, "If you would speak with me, define your terms." He realized that words must have an understandable meaning to both parties to a conversation, or one would be confused or deceived. And so it is with "Jerusalem." I want you to follow me in the Scriptures to find God's true meaning of Jerusalem, when He says, "For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem."
In Matthew 23:37-39 we read the words of Jesus Christ: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, blessed is he that cometh in the Name of the Lord."
Here Christ was speaking to the city of Jerusalem that He was standing and looking at Jerusalem, the city that had killed Israel's prophets down through the centuries; and He said, Jerusalem, "your house is left unto you desolate." He could not have been speaking of prophetic Jerusalem, for that has a glorious future!
The Lord Shall Yet Choose Jerusalem
I will quote some Scripture verses used by those who insist that the old city of Jerusalem will be the Jerusalem that will be "chosen" and "blessed" of God. They are in the first chapter of Zechariah. "I am jealous for Jerusalem and for Zion with great jealousy … I am returned to Jerusalem with mercies: My house shall be built in it … and the Lord shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem." These are phrases from verses 14 through 17, and those who quote them say they mean that God will set up the temple (His house) at some future time in the old city of Jerusalem.
But there are other phrases in the same verses which must be considered. I will add them here in their context. "Thus saith the Lord of Hosts; My cities through prosperity [good] shall yet be spread abroad." Then comes "and the Lord shall yet comfort Zion, and shall yet choose Jerusalem." Since the phrase, "spread abroad," was spoken through Zechariah while he was in old Palestine, it could mean places other than old Palestine!
Christ also gave some indication that the cities of Israel would be in great number and cover much territory. In Matthew 10 are His well known instructions to the twelve disciples. In verse 6, He tells them to "go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel," and then in verse 23 He says, "For verily I say unto you, ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." The disciples could have gone over the towns in old Palestine in a matter of weeks, and missionaries still could do so today. But if the cities of Israel were to be "spread abroad" and to be a great number, it could not be done so quickly.
We must also take into consideration that Zechariah, as a prophet to Israel, spoke not only to those in the Babylonian captivity, but to the millions of Israelites who were at that time in the Assyrian lands and never returned to Jerusalem or Palestine. That Zechariah's prophecy above was not fulfilled by the return of less than 45,000 Jews from Babylon under Ezra and Nehemiah will be clear as we go on. Also, what the "Jerusalem" is that the Lord "shall yet choose" is made clearer by reading on in the next verses from the same prophet.
An Angel Will Measure New Jerusalem
Read on in Zechariah 2:1-4, "I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand. Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said to me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof. And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him. And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein."
That is quite a description. "Towns" (plural) and many men and cattle were to be in it. This is the Jerusalem of prophecy, and it is so large it took an angel to measure it! Maybe this was because it had been then "spread abroad" as was prophesied in Zechariah 1:17.
In chapter 8 of Zechariah (and Zechariah has much to say about prophetic Jerusalem) we read in verse 2, "Thus saith the Lord of hosts; I was jealous for Zion with great jealousy and I was jealous for her with great fury. Thus saith the Lord; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem." So God says He will be in both Zion and Jerusalem. Zion is the seat of government; Jerusalem is the whole nation.
"And Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the Lord of hosts the holy mountain." (vs. 3) This is similar to what we have in Isaiah 2 and Micah 4, "the mountain of the Lord." It will help you understand prophecy, if you know that mountain usually means nation. Micah, Isaiah, Zechariah and others are actually saying that prophetic Jerusalem will be the nation of the Lord.
Then in verse 7 of Zechariah 8 we read, "Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold I will save My people from the east country, and from the west country; and I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be My people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness." God is saying that "My people" (Israel) will be brought to this Jerusalem by Him, and they will be His people "in truth and in righteousness." i.e. they will be Christians.
Preachers Confuse Old City with New Jerusalem
Now if we take these prophecies and attempt to put them in little old Palestine, we are in trouble! It is just not big enough. As these scriptures show, the Lord will dwell there, Zion will be there, many from the east country and the west country, a multitude of men and cattle, and it will spread abroad and be so large that angels will have to measure it.
I have some statistics on the Jewish occupied area of old Jerusalem and Palestine that will show it is not the size for a "multitude of people." Jerusalem, as it was set aside by the United Nations, has 289 sq. miles. It is about 20 miles long and 15 miles wide. That would be about the size of Phoenix, Arizona and its suburbs or twice the size of Baltimore.
The entire country of Palestine, as established by the U.N. mandate, was 7,993 sq. miles. Since the so-called war in 1967, the area controlled has increased substantially, but even if they took control of several entire Arab countries, it would still be smaller than an average American state! That is hardly fitting for Zechariah's prophecy, is it?
Temple at Old Jerusalem to be Like Shiloh
The confusion among ministers is also caused by their mistaken belief that God chose the old city of Jerusalem perpetually as the place where He would place His Name. But like Shiloh, Jehovah's presence there was conditional upon Israel obeying God. This is made very plain in Jeremiah 7 where we read, "The Word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, Stand in the gate of the Lord's house [the temple in Jerusalem], and proclaim there this word, and say, Hear the Word of the Lord, all ye of Judah, that enter in at these gates to worship the Lord."
So God gave Jeremiah a commandment to speak to all those who worshipped at the temple. Verses 3 through 10 give a promise that if they obeyed the Lord, they would then, "dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever."
But then God accused them of disobeying and said, "Is this house which is called by My Name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the Lord. But go ye now unto My place which was in Shiloh, where I set My Name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of My people Israel" (verses 11-12). Then God pronounced the fate of the temple at Jerusalem, "Therefore will I do unto this house [the temple], which is called by My Name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and your fathers [Jerusalem and Judah], as I have done to Shiloh."
So in order to see what God has done to Jerusalem, we must see what he did to Shiloh. Its history as the place where God had set His name at the first starts in Joshua 18:1, "And the whole congregation of the children of Israel assembled together at Shiloh, and set up the tabernacle of the congregation there." The ark of the covenant was there, and it was there that the high priests sacrificed to the God of Israel.
This continued for many years for we read in Judges 18:30-31, "And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land [Philistine captivity]. And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God [the tabernacle] was in Shiloh."
God To Forsake Shiloh
Then in 1 Samuel we read the story of God's leaving Shiloh, as He was later to leave Jerusalem. This is quite lengthy and requires the reading of all Chapters 2 through 7. We will quote only a few verses because of space limitations.
The story begins in 1 Samuel 2:12 with the sons of Eli, "Now the sons of Eli were the sons of Belial; they knew not the Lord." Because of their abominations and the sins of Israel, the Lord appeared to Eli and among other things told him, "Behold the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house. And thou shalt see an enemy in My habitation [the tabernacle at Shiloh]. And this shall be a sign unto thee, that shall come upon thy two sons, on Hophni and Phinehas; in one day they shall die both of them."
Then God tells Eli what will replace His habitation. "And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in My mind; and I will build him a sure house…" This was a reference to Samuel.
Shiloh Forsaken
God then set about to carry out this promise of punishment to Eli and removing Himself from Shiloh. In Chapter 4, the Philistines won a battle against the Israel armies, and Israel made a decision (1 Samuel 4:3). "And when the people were come into the camp, the elders of Israel said, Wherefore hath the Lord smitten us to day before the Philistines? Let us fetch the ark of the covenant of the Lord out of Shiloh unto us, that, when it cometh among us, it may save us out of the hand of our enemies." Instead of putting their trust in God, they put their trust in the physical ark.
Verses 10 and 11 tell the results: "And the Philistines fought, and Israel was smitten, and they fled every man into his tent - and there was a great slaughter; for there fell of Israel thirty thousand footmen. And the ark of God was taken, and the two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, were slain." God's promise that the enemy would be in His habitation and that the sons of Eli would both be slain in one day had come to pass.
Eli died when he heard the news, and Phinehas' widow was so shocked by the events that she was immediately delivered of her child. That she recognized the terrible disaster to Israel is shown in the name she gave the baby. "And she named the child Ichabod, saying, The glory is departed from Israel: because the ark of God was taken" (verse 21). The Lord had departed from Shiloh.
Ramah - Then Jerusalem
Chapter 7 shows that God then gave Samuel rule over Israel, but he did not worship at Shiloh for we read in verses 15-17, "And Samuel judged Israel all the days of his life. And he went from year to year in circuit to Bethel, and Gilgal, and Mizpeh, and judged Israel in all those places. And his return was to Ramah; for there was his house; and there he judged Israel; and there he built an altar unto the Lord."
Psalm 78:59-61 verifies this forsaking of Shiloh in this manner: "When God heard this [Israel's abomination] He was wroth, and greatly abhorred Israel: So that He forsook the tabernacle of Shiloh, the tent which He placed among men; and delivered His strength into captivity, and His glory into the enemy's hand." Then verses 65-72 refer to the placing of His temple in Jerusalem under David and Solomon. Most Bible students know the story, so we will not recount it here. But the Psalmist does verify that Shiloh was forsaken. So, if Jerusalem was to be "as Shiloh," and if God's Word is true, which it is, then the old city of Jerusalem is forsaken and deserted by the God of Israel forever!
Old Jerusalem to be a Curse to All the Nations of the Earth
But just so the same Bible students understand with perfect clarity that God has now forsaken the old city of Jerusalem and will never rebuild His temple there, turn to Jeremiah 26:1-3. Again Jeremiah is ordered by the Lord to stand in the entrance to the temple in Jerusalem and say, "Thus saith the Lord: If ye will not hearken to the words of My servants the prophets, whom I sent unto you, both rising up early, and sending them, but ye have not hearkened; then I will make this house like Shiloh, and will make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth." This is a double warning to the city and a promise of what the old city of Jerusalem would be at some time in the future.
Christ Confirmed These Promises
"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers" (Romons 15:8). Now these fathers here were the people of Israel, of course. And so we find Christ confirming this end of the temple and of old Jerusalem as the place where His Name would be.
We read in Jeremiah 7:11, "Is this house, which is called by My name, become a den of robbers in your eyes?" This was followed by the promise to make it as Shiloh. In Matthew 21:12, 13 we read that Christ personally entered the temple at Jerusalem, overthrew the tables of the money-changers, and said, "It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
After spending some time teaching in the temple, he then left the temple and later pronounced on the city of Jerusalem, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord" (Matt. 23:38-39) Two verses later we read His sentence on the temple, "Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."
Christ never went back to the temple, it was destroyed and burned to the ground in 70 A.D. The temple became "as Shiloh," and Jerusalem as "Ichabod." The promise of God, through His prophet Jeremiah, was confirmed by Christ, and history verifies its fulfillment. Not only is the Lord's name (Christ) not there any more, but with much of the world's intrigue and tension centered in the Jewish state called "Israeli," the old city is now becoming "a curse to all the nations of the earth" as God had prophesied! Ministers who still insist the Jews will rebuild the temple (which they may) and that God will bless it (which He will not) have "seen a vain vision", and "spoken a lying Divination."
This Foolish Preaching That the Jews are Israel
A great part of this absurd teaching about old Palestine is caused by the erroneous belief by ministers that the Jews are Israel and that the Jewish state of Israeli is the regathering of the tribes of Israel. I wonder how many preachers have stopped to think that there are about the same number of Jews now in old Palestine as there were Israelites in the Exodus from Egypt over 3,300 years ago (3 milleniums ago!). And if there was any one thing God promised Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, it was to multiply their seed!
According to Genesis 48:4, God said to Israel, the father of the twelve men who became the twelve tribes of Israel, "Behold, I will make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, and I will make of thee a multitude of people." And in verse 19, speaking of Ephraim, one of Joseph's sons and Israel's grandson, Israel prophesied of this one man alone that, "his seed shall become a multitude of nations." Ephriam's descendants alone were to become many nations!
In Genesis 28:3 is God's prophecy to Jacob-Israel, "And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people." Moses, speaking to the two million or more Israelites in the Exodus, said to them, "The Lord God of your fathers make ye a thousand times as many as ye are and bless you as He hath promised you" (Deut. 1:11).
Solomon is estimated to have had more than fifteen million Israelites in his kingdom over 2,500 years ago and yet preachers today would have us believe that less than fifteen million Jews in the world today constitute this "multiplied" seed of Israel (14,334,195 is the 1976 estimate from the Jewish Statistical Bureau, Dr. H.S. Linfield, Exec. Secretary, 1976 World Almanac, page 214).
Ministers who teach that the two million or so Jews in Palestine are fulfilling Bible prophecy of the regathering of Israel are completely ignoring the promises God made to Abraham of the immense numbers of descendants who would be in that regathering.
Their teaching is actually an affront to God, yet millions of church goers believe and support this foolish preaching. Jeremiah was truly right when he said of our day, "The prophets prophesy falsely …. and My people love to have it so" (Jer. 5:30-31).
Gospel to be Preached Beginning at Jerusalem
After His resurrection, Christ taught the disciples, and it says in Luke 24:45, "Then opened He their understanding that they might understand the Scriptures." Solomon said, "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding" (Pr. 4:7). Since we can see how important understanding is, what was it that Christ gave the disciples to understand?
In the verses after Luke 24:45 above, we read, "And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His Name among all nations beginning at Jerusalem." Not ending at Jerusalem, but beginning at the city of Jerusalem, and not beginning 2000 years later when a people who call themselves "Jews" occupy the city, but beginning right then. "And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of My father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high."
This is verified by the account in Act 1:8, "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto Me, both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth." In Acts 2 is the great story of Pentecost, the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on Israel, beginning at Jerusalem. Peter called it, "this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" (vs 16). Then he quoted Joel 2:28, which of course was a prophecy to Israel.
Feed My Sheep (The House of Israel)
Let us compare Christ's instructions after His resurrection with instructions He gave His disciples during His ministry. After His baptism, Jesus instructed the twelve disciples to go "to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 10:6). The word "lost" here is translated from the Greek "apollumi," which means: "apo" ("put away") and "ollumi" ("punished") .. It signifies a voluntary losing, which of course is correct, since God deliberately put Israel away into the Assyrian captivity as a punishment (see 2 Kings 18 & Hosea). "Apollumi" is used 13 times in the New Testament, and every time it is used in connection with the house of Israel. (See Strong's Concordance #622).
Then after His resurrection, Christ told Simon Peter three times, "feed My lambs … feed My sheep … feed My sheep" (John 21). Now if Peter and the others were to obey Christ and feed the "sheep of the house of Israel," they would have to go to where the sheep of the house of Israel were, would they not?
So, the question here is - and you cannot understand the difference between the old Jerusalem and the new Jerusalem unless you have the correct answer to this question - did the disciples obey Christ's explicit instructions to "go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" and "feed My sheep," first in Jerusalem, then in Judea, then in Samaria, and then to the uttermost parts of the earth, or did they not? I say they did!
Christian History - The Unfolding of Israel Prophecy
History and scripture verify that the disciples preached the Gospel first in Jerusalem, then in Judea, then in Samaria, and then to the uttermost parts of the earth where the Israelites had gone. British, Roman and other European historical records show that some of the disciples who had known Jesus in the flesh went directly to the British Isles. Paul preached in Spain, France and England. Joseph of Arimathea established a church in England within 5 years of Jesus's death. Others who went to England were Mary Magdalene, Mary (mother of Jesus), Maximin, Trophimus, Lazarus, Simon Zelotes, Clements, Martial, Sidonius, Zacchaeus, and Mary (wife of Cleophas).
Timothy, who had been ordained by Paul, baptized his own nephew, the British King Lucius, on May 28, 137 A.D. That same king then declared all England Christian in 156 A.D. at the National Council at Winchester! (For a more complete study of this fascinating subject see my "Paul and Joseph of Arimathea, Missionaries to the 'Gentiles'").
Information such as that in the above paragraph has been completely expunged from our school, church, and seminary textbooks. Christian's do not know their race's Christian history! If they did, they would begin to realize that they are Israel. Our race reacted just as Christ said His Israel sheep would. We heard His voice, and we followed Him. Our race became known as the "Christian peoples" and are now the great Christian nations of the world, including our own United States of America. We are the only race which has reacted to Christ in this manner.
It was not until about 1500 A.D., after the entire White Race had had the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that the Lord moved upon Israel, the Anglo-Saxon and kindred peoples, to then carry it to the heathen, as He had said they would. They obeyed.
Christ Said Jews are Not of God
Ministers who preach that the Jews are God's chosen people defy the plain teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. Speaking to the Jews, Christ said, "He that is of God heareth God's Words; ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God" (John 8:47). And to make it very certain we understand the Jews are not His sheep, it is recorded in John 10:26 that He said to the Jews, "But ye believe not, because ye are not of My sheep."
Then after Jesus told the Jews they were not His people, he described how His true Israel sheep would react when they heard His Word: "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." What race has followed Jesus to the exclusion of all other gods? There is only one - God's true Israel, the Anglo-Saxon race.
No, my friends, the disciples did not go to some heathen race. They obeyed their Master and went to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The New Testament calls us "Gentiles," which means tribes or nations. We were the Gentiles among the Gentiles, the lost tribes of Israel after the dispersion.
Teaching Error is Very Serious
My Christian friends, there is another serious side to this unscriptural teaching that we are not Israel. If your minister teaches that the Jews are Israel, the chosen people of God, and that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, and other European Caucasians are not, then your minister is saying that all of the disciples disobeyed their Lord Jesus Christ and that the Gospel prospered in disobedience! That is not Scriptural. In fact, it is a very poor way to demonstrate obedience to Christ.
The Samaritan Woman
To continue our study on Jerusalem, turn to John 4 for a very symbolic meeting between Christ, the Redeemer of Israel, and a Samaritan woman. They met at a well, identified as "Jacob's well" in verse 6, and the woman identified herself as a descendant of Jacob in verse 12 by asking Jesus, "Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well?"
"Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life." She immediately answered, "Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw." This is not the response of a Jew to Christ; neither is it the response of a heathen. It is the response of an Israelite.
Before we go on in John 4, I will quote what the concordance in the back of my Bible says about the Samaritans at the time of Christ: "The Samaritans were a mixed race, composed of imported colonists and the Israelites who remained when the bulk of the ten tribes were carried into captivity. They had a temple to Jehovah on Mount Gerizim, their sacred mountain, they accepted Moses as their lawgiver and the Pentateuch as their law, but they rejected the traditions and rules of the Pharisees. They observed the rite of circumcision, the requirements of the Sabbath, and refused to accept Jerusalem as the one place where the temple of Jehovah should stand."
So Israelites lived in Samaria, they worshipped Jehovah, the God of Israel, but knew enough about prophecy to refuse to accept the Jewish priesthood with its traditions or worship at Jerusalem (Would to God ministers knew that much today!). This woman was an Israelite, and in this meeting she is symbolic of all Israel meeting Christ, their Messiah.
Israel the Harlot
In verse 16, Jesus said to her, "Go, call thy husband, and come hither. The woman answered and said, I have no husband." Jesus said unto her, "Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou has had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband." She had no husband and she had many husbands. Who, in the Bible, had no husband, and had many husbands? Israel, of course, who left her first husband, her God, and as Scripture says, "they have gone whoring form under their God" (Hosea 4), and "thou has played the harlot with many lovers" (Jer. 3:1).
Worship to Cease at Jerusalem
Then she went on to ask Him to explain something. "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship (?)" He answered, "Woman, believe Me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father." This is testimony by Christ Himself that worship of God was to cease in old Jerusalem and old Palestine!
Then Jesus explained how worship would be from that time on. "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
Jesus said to her that this old Jerusalem was not to be a place of worship. As we read these Scriptures and look over at old Jerusalem, we can see that that has come to pass. In fact, in the Jewish state of Israeli a person cannot even become a citizen if he is a professing Christian! It is written in their laws. It was tested by a "racial" Jew a few years ago. He went to Israeli and applied for citizenship. He proved his racial lineage, but stated he believed in Jesus Christ as the son of God. His case went through the courts, and his request for citizenship was denied. Only atheists or followers of Judaism are granted Israeli citizenship. Recently, additional laws and regulations have been passed in Israeli restricting or ending most Christian missionary work there. Jesus said worship of God would cease in old Jerusalem and in Samaria, and it has.
Jerusalem A Burdensome Stone
Let's turn to Zechariah 12:1, "The burden of the Word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem." This is Jerusalem in prophecy, yet future, as we can see by the next verse. "And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." God calls Jerusalem a "stone" and indicates it will destroy its enemies.
In Matthew 21:43-44 Jesus Christ speaks to the chief priests and Pharisees, and He says, "therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation (yes, a nation) bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." The same terminology - the same thing is going to happen to the people who gather against prophetic Jerusalem as will happen to those who fight the nation to which Christ will give the Kingdom. And both the nation and Jerusalem are called a stone, God's Stone Kingdom! Prophetic Jerusalem is the same as the Kingdom.
People are Gathering Against New Jerusalem
In Zechariah we read that "all the people of the earth be gathered against it." What are the people of the earth being gathered against? Why prophetic Jerusalem, of course! That huge Jerusalem that is so big it takes an angel to measure it, that has a multitude of people and cattle (Zechariah 2), the one God dwells in, the one He calls "Zion." That is what they are gathered together to destroy.
And they are not all trying to destroy Jewish occupied Jerusalem. In fact, all the nations of the world (including Communist nations) got together in the United Nations in 1947 and created the present nation we know as Israeli. And this idea that Russia is trying to destroy Jewish Israeli does not stand on close examination. It was Russian Communists who tricked the Egyptians into moving all their armies out into the Sinai desert in 1967 where they were completely at the mercy of Israeli planes. And the Russians never raised a hand to save the Arabs.
The only nation that all the world is being gathered together to destroy is the United States of America. Even our so-called allies like the governments of Sweden, France, and England (and the American government) are helping the anti-God enemies of America. Yet deluded Christian ministers look at old Jerusalem and erroneously call its Jewish occupants "Israel." No, my friends, "all the people of the earth" are gathered against the New Jerusalem, the United States of America, God's Country, the land of the regathering of the true descendants of the twelve tribes of Israel.
New Jerusalem - In Palestine? In Heaven? On Earth?
We have seen that Zechariah indicated that "all the people of the earth" would be gathered against prophetic Jerusalem. And we also read that Christ told the Jews, "The Kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation . . ." As we read some specific descriptions of New Jerusalem, let us keep in mind that Jesus taught "the Gospel of the Kingdom," not just a gospel of personal salvation, as some think. All four Gospels make that plain in the beginning of His ministry. Read Matthew 4:17, Mark 1:15, Luke 4:43, John 3:3 and others.
In John 3:3 Christ explains the connection between personal salvation and the kingdom, "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." The ultimate purpose of Christ's finished work on the Cross was to provide man with the means to enter the kingdom.
Jesus Christ said, "But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by Heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is His footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King" (Matt. 5:34-35). The city of the great King!
Turn to Revelation 3:12, which links the born again believer with the city of God, New Jerusalem. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the Name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."
God's new Name is Jesus Christ. The name to be written on the inhabitant of New Jerusalem is His new name, "Christ man," or "Christian!" The "city of my God," New Jerusalem, will be a Christian place, a place of born again believers, where the Saviour Jesus Christ is believed on and praised , not an old city that has the same name, where Christ is hated and denied.
New Jerusalem the Bride
Revelation 21: "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea ["sea" in prophecy signifies human turmoil]. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven …" This is the same as Rev. 3:12. It is very clear that New Jerusalem is not in heaven, but that it "comes from" heaven! As can be seen, these Scriptures do not fit the teaching that the New Jerusalem or the Kingdom is somewhere other than on earth.
Let us read on . . . "prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." The "bride" of prophecy! These are the first 2 verses, but my Christian reader should continue through verse 8 for the beautiful description of the kingdom.
Then in verse 9 and 10 John says, "And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come up hither, I will shew thee The bride, the Lamb's wife, And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God." The angel showed John the bride. And what was the bride? "The holy Jerusalem." The Church is never called "New Jerusalem" in the Bible, yet ministers teach the church is the bride. If you have been taught the bride of Christ is some sort of "gentile church," you should read Revelation 21 over until you see the truth.
Israel The Bride
John goes on to describe this New Jerusalem, the bride of the Lamb, "Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone [here is that stone again] most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; and had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon . . ." And what were the names that were written on the gates to this New Jerusalem? "Which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel!"
Yes, Israel is the Bride, and she will be purified of sin and corruption, for she is washed in the blood of her Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ. Israel shall no longer be a harlot, the divorced wife of the great Jehovah. Israel was made a widow indeed with the death of her Husband, who took her punishment upon Himself on the Cross of Calvary (Isa. 53, 54). Then she, upon receiving the Holy Spirit and being baptized for remission of her sins, becomes the new, cleansed, and made ready virgin Bride of Christ. This is the Israel with the law written in her heart, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people" (Heb. 8 and Jer. 31:31). Yes, Israel is the Bride!
We will read a few more verses of Revelation 21 before we turn to one of God's prophets to complete this study of the New Jerusalem. Verse 15, "And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof." This is obviously the same angel referred to in Zechariah 2 who was measuring Jerusalem. The Scriptures are always consistent; there is no discrepancy when the Word is used to interpret the Word. And that the New Jerusalem is on earth is verified by many Scripture verses including verse 24 of Revelation 21, "And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."
There Will Be a New Temple in New Jerusalem
At the same time Christians must understand the nature of the temple that will be built in New Jerusalem (and which God will bless!). Every Christian should know this (but they do not), so that they will not be deceived by ministers who preach "lying divinations" about old Jerusalem and the Jews. The Holy Word makes it plain of what substance this new habitation of Christ will be built. "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? . . . for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are." (1 Cor. 3:16-17). "Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in you . . . for ye are bought with a price" (1 Cor. 6:19-20).
That the temple (Christians) is not to be defiled by associations with unbelievers is made abundantly clear in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, including the oft-quoted "be ye separate," and God's promise, "And I will be a father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
That God's new habitation is to be made up of all believers is disclosed by Paul in Ephesians 2:19-22 "now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household (see "sons and daughters" above) of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets ("New Testament Christians," please note the inclusion of the "prophets," or Old Scriptures!), Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together growth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." Is the new temple to be one of stone built in old Jerusalem? Hardly.
Jesus Christ verified the substance of the new temple and its new location. "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven [not in heaven - but Coming down from heaven], and I will write upon him My new Name [Christ]" (Rev. 3:12).
It is nothing more nor less than pure blasphemy to teach that the non-Christian Jews are going to build a temple of stone in old Jerusalem, and then God will bless it and make that old city His New Jerusalem. In fact, Christians died by the tens of thousands during the 100 years of the Crusades in a mistaken and vain attempt to return and possess the temple in Jerusalem. God prevented it. Old Jerusalem was forsaken 1900 years ago!
Where are We Today?
What we have just read is not yet complete, however. It will not be finished until after the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. So let us turn to one of God's prophets to see where we are in present world history. God gave all of His prophets visions of His kingdom, but we will finish this study with Micah 4.
"But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord [and remember that "mountain" is prophetic for nation, so Micah is speaking of the nation of the house of the Lord] shall be established in the top of the mountains [above all nations], and it shall be exalted above the hills [small nations]; and people shall flow unto it. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord."
What did Zechariah say New Jerusalem would be called? "The mountain of the Lord of Hosts." (Zech. 8:3).
The Nation of New Jerusalem
Reading on in Micah 4: 2, "Let us go up to the mountain [nation] of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem." That is where we started our study. And we are not in the old city of Jerusalem! Then in verse 7, "And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation . . ." Who was cast off? Israel was cast off into the Assyrian captivity, and then was driven north and west into Europe to become the great Christian nations of Europe.
Then representatives of all the tribes were gathered into the great melting pot nation, the greatest nation that has ever existed in all recorded history, the only one founded by those who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ as the virgin born Son of God, the United States of America!
God has made us a "strong nation: and the Lord shall reign over them in mount Zion, from henceforth, even for ever. And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion [not the old mother; the daughter!], unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion . . ." And what will come? "The kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem!"
America - Not Israeli
Yes the United States of America is that great nation promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Gen. 18:18 and others). It is that great nation spoken of by Christ, when He said to the Jewish priests in old Jerusalem, "The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
Let us review a few of the names and Scriptural terms used to describe New Jerusalem, or the Kingdom: the Bride of Christ, the holy city, the city of the great God, New Jerusalem, the burdensome stone, this stone, a city that angels measure, the towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein, the city of truth, the mountain of the Lord of hosts, the great Zion, a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof, and on and on. Is that the old city of Jerusalem we see in Palestine under the Jews? Is it that old city at any future time? No! What you see in old Canaanland, in old Palestine, is the city "that killest the prophets," the city that is now "as Shiloh!"
Even Our Troubles Testify of Our Identity
With all we have read in mind, and considering the present situation of the United States of America, surrounded by the nations under the control of World Communism, out government infiltrated by and under the control of anti-Christ people, let us read the rest of Micah 4. We will see this prophecy is now America's current history.
Verse 9, "Now why dost thou cry aloud? Is there no king in thee? Is thy counselor perished?" We certainly seem to be without good counsel in government! "For pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail. Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail." Something is going to be born out of all this trial and tribulation we are going through. "For now shalt thou go forth out of the city [forsake God's laws], and thou shalt dwell in the field [in anarchy, civil disorders, revolution, and violence], and thou shalt go even to Babylon."
This always stumps those who do not know the correct identity of the "daughter of Zion." It simply means we will come under the control of the international money powers known in the Scripture as "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth" (Rev. 17:5) (That is a study in itself - see my "Billions$ for the Bankers$ and Debts to the People").
Deliverance Comes at the Moment of Defeat!
But at the very time when the anti-Christ international conspirators think they have us in their grasp, we will be saved! "And thou shalt go even to Babylon, there shalt thou be delivered: there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hands of thine enemies [see Luke 1: 68-71]. Now also many nations are gathered against thee [all prophets prophesied this], that say Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion." All the nations of the earth are being gathered against the United States of America, God's great Zion nation.
But God goes on through His prophet, "But they know not the thoughts of The Lord, neither understand they His counsel: for He shall gather them as sheaves into the floor." Then we are ordered to battle, "Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion; for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth."
The Last Battle
We will close this study of the two Jerusalems with that, for it is not my purpose here to describe the battle in which God's Israel people in New Jerusalem will be saved from their enemies. I have done that in "The Bible says: Russia Will Invade America." But most Bible students know that all prophecy points to a time when there will be fought between Israel and Israel's enemies, between Christ and anti-Christ, the great battle often called "The Conflict of the Ages." That that battle will be fought here on this great North American continent is abundantly clear to those who understand both history and prophecy. For we, the White, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, and kindred peoples, gathered here in the United States and Canada, are those Israel people.
The victorious conclusion of that battle under the banner of Jesus Christ will usher in God's great Kingdom on earth, the millennial reign of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. And His Kingdom is not limited to any one nation, for when "out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem," then "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever." (Rev. 11:15).
Why Christians Have Not Known This
I realize that this Bible study has uncovered many things that some Christian readers have never heard. So I must make it clear that, while I do disagree with much of present day preaching on Israel and the two Jerusalems, I blame the erroneous teachings more on the seminaries than on the preachers. I have read or seen book after book used by seminaries, and they are filled with thousands of pages of treatises, themes, essays, demands, arguments, studies and "proofs" that the people known today as the Jews are God's Chosen People Israel. It is simply not so; but I cannot entirely blame a minister who was brought up in a church that taught this error, then went to a seminary that gave him hundreds of hours of instruction in this error, and then turned him out to associate with other preachers who have also been taught the same error.
Henry Ford, a great Christian layman, in his monumental and almost forgotten book, "The International Jew", wrote, "The reading of the Scriptures which confuse the tribe of Judah with Israel, and which interpret every mention of Israel as signifying the Jews, is at the root of more than one-half the confusion and division traceable in Christian doctrinal statements. The Jews are not the Chosen People, though practically the entire Church has succumbed to the propaganda which declares them to be so." He wrote that in 1921. Our seminaries are the victims of "certain men who crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation." (Jude 4).
The Holy Spirit
Paul explained how we were to know the things of God. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor. 2:14). God makes His Word plain to those who ask Him for understanding, and Jesus Christ explained to us how we would understand future events through the Spirit. "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself: but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." Future! Future history will be shown by the Holy Spirit. How? By visions and signs and wonders? No! God reveals Himself through His Word - interpreted by the Holy Spirit. So please ask the Holy Spirit for guidance, instead of asking a minister who repeats only what he has been taught in the seminary. And read your Bible!!
Israel Identity the Key to Proving the Bible
As Christians and parents, how can you convince your children of the Truth of the Bible, and the faithfulness of our God, unless you teach them the truth of our Israel Identity? Ministers tell millions of our young people that the Jews are "God's Chosen People", that there are supposedly fewer Israelites today than there were over 2000 years ago, and that the Old Testament is about other people, the Jews. They are totally unable to show the relevance of the Scripture to our race, our nation, or our time, when the truth of the matter is that the Scripture is primarily about our race, our nation and our time! "Hear, ye deaf; and look ye blind, that ye may see. Who is blind, but My servant?"
Let's tell our children the truth about Israel, that we the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Germanic, and kindred peoples are the true descendants of the twelve sons of Israel, and that our great nation and the great Christian nations of Europe are the nations promised to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Let us prove to them that we have a covenant keeping God, that the Bible is the Word of God, that it is true, and we have been Redeemed by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. As a minister, I can say that nothing will open up the Bible, or prove its Truth, like the true identity of Israel today!
Old Jerusalem to be Occupied by
the Enemy at the End of the Age
We have already seen that God was to make Jerusalem as Shiloh. One of the things that was to happen to Shiloh was, "and thou shalt see an enemy in My habitation" (1 Sam. 2:32). This did happen to Shiloh, and if God's Word is True, it must happen to the old city of Jerusalem.
Ezekiel saw the same thing, for we read in Ezekiel 36:12, "Also thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains [nations] of Israel, and say, ye mountains of Israel, hear the Word of the Lord: Thus saith the Lord God: Because the enemy hath said against you, Aha, even the ancient high places are ours in possession." Now, who possesses the places of worship of ancient Israel? Not the true Israel people, but the Jews. God goes on to say, "Surely in the fire of My jealousy, have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea [Edom], which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey."
The Jewish Encylopedia, Vol. 5, page 41, 1925, says, "Edom is in Modern Jewry." Again, who has old Jerusalem, Palestine, and the "ancient high places" in their possession?

As with all evil that happens in the world we cannot escape the fact that a good and loving God has the power to step in and protect all of those people who died. In fact perhaps he did protect many. There are many stories about people who fell sick that day and called in sick, or who changed their plans in some way so that they were not in harms way. God does not even allow a sparrow to fall to the ground without his knowledge and oversight. So we can be sure that God in his wisdom has allowed the people to die. Then there other people who survived miraculously and who were helped from the rubble by angels.

Let every man fear God.

Jesus was asked a similar question when the tower of Siloam fell down killing 18 people. The people asked "why did they die?". What was Jesus' answer? "Repent or you will all likewise perish". This proves that people die of natural and manmade disaster because they are sinners. We can therefore have faith that God will protect us from all harm from all natural or manmade disaster if we are righteous. So whether or not the twin towers was a setup by NWO or whether it was an Al Quaeda initiative is virtually irrelevant because in the final analysis GOD ALLOWED IT. So we must ask "Why did he allow it?" And what must we do to turn our hearts and minds toward God so that he will spare us from future calamaties.

The twin tower was just a mild precursor of the Day of the Lord when EVERY tower will fall and the light of the sun will be sevenfold.
Isaiah 30:25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, [6] rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall. 26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

Let us repent and soften our hearts toward God resting upon his promises to protect and guard us.

Psalm 18:1 I will love thee, O Lord, my strength. 2 The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, [1] in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Proverbs 18:10 The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe

AMEN. I underline every word. Good post .
Thank you
C

I read it Seven...I guess we will know the fullness of the answer eventually. I have to say at first reading you sounded like the teachings of the Masons...Ever been involved in that? Where are the body of those who believe as you do? Especially the part about




You almost had me going there for a second seven...I had to step out of the trees and be reminded that God teaches children in terms they can understand...It makes a good movie though. The Blue Mountains... Signal hill.... http://americasroof.com/ar.html Yep americas roof... I can follow these signs but l prefer the simplicity of the Gospel...I was glad to get away from this. I would say to all reading here not to get sucked in. This is the knowledge you don't want.

Jesus is my Daddy... What you are serving up Seven...IS NOT for those ears who cling to their Dad in trust for deliverence. I have two ears...I hear two voices... much to my dismay at times but will speak what l know... The time for revelation is close... My Dad will save me and all his other children. It doesn't hindge on anything but the heart. All your knowledge won't matter a wink...and he won't wink but will hold accountable all those who try to take into their own hands the things that belong to God alone. In Jesus name...amen

He who has an ear let him hear...I have two but what the enemy has meant for evil God will turn around and use...

two continue...




The Louvre in Paris...(at night) built by I.M. Pei

You're two easy seven....

Are you running for the hills yet? Better to run to your loving Shepherd. He hears you crying..the bleating of sheep fills the hills. It's music to his ears. Don't worry...there's still time...His arms are open wide but time is ticking.

Boy, Miki, you're a real tough one; all the personal assumptions... you didn't even notice in your very own picture that you posted that the elevation of Mount Magazine is precisely 2,753 feet, part of what I call the "Christ Code": 2+7+5+3=17=1+7="8". As you may know “Yeshua” (Jesus) is “888”. And it doesn't stop there. The “44º Angular Jerusalem Line” (44=4+4=”8”) runs for precisely 791 miles through the United States from Mount Magazine to the shores of Lake Huron, Michigan, the 4th (“4” is a derivative of “8”) largest lake in the world: 791 = 7 + 9 + 1 = 17 = 1 + 7 = ”8”. The last town it cuts directly through is Croswell, Michigan; a name derived from “cross + well”, or “it is well with the Cross”, in referral to Christ’s Redemptive Deed upon the Cross of Calvary. When transposed into numbers, the name “Croswell” equates to the number “35”: 35 = 3 + 5 = ”8”. The 44º Angular Jerusalem Line passes through five U.S. states: Arkansas, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, and Michigan, and 50 counties. When transposed into numbers the five names sum to “188”: 188 = 1 + 8 + 8 = 17 = 1 + 7 = ”8”. The meaning of the names from each state reveals the following scenario in reverse chronological succession that each state was admitted into the Union; in standard parentheses is the state name and its corresponding order of admission: [Across the] “great water” [Atlantic Ocean](Michigan: #26) [the] “Ark-carriers” (Arkansas: #25) [and the] “person who has a big canoe” (Missouri: #24), “an ordinary speaker” [Jeremiah] (Illinois” #21), [went to] “the land of the Indians” [America] (Indiana: #19). Hence, the basic intrinsic message is: “Across the great water, the Atlantic Ocean, the Ark carriers and the person who has a canoe, an ordinary speaker, Jeremiah, went to the land of the Indians, America.” Additionally, the Jerusalem Line crosses over “8” major rivers in the U.S. (Arkansas R., White R., Black R., Mississippi R., Kaskaskia R., Wabash R., Raisin R., and Huron R.), and technically passes over a total of 62 rivers total: 62 = 6 + 2 = ”8”. The line bisects directly through the summit of Taum Sauk Mountain in southeast Missouri. The elevation of this mountain is 1,772 feet: 1 + 7 + 7 + 2 = 17 = 1 + 7 = “8”. The Jerusalem Angle runs through a total of 17 countries between the U.S. and Jerusalem. This would not be the case if it were not for the Bosnia War, for this event split Yugoslavia into five new countries. Thus, before the war this line would have only gone through 12 countries to Jerusalem. Additionally, Mount Magazine’s coordinates on the Earth are 93.875º N. Longitude and 35.13º N. Latitude (9+3+8+7+5+3+5+1+3=44=4+4=8). The 44º Angle Jerusalem Line is a total of 7,012.25 miles in distance between Magazine Mountain and Jerusalem; hence, 7,012.25: 7 + 0 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 5 = 17 = 1 + 7 = ”8”.



But you clearly made the point that your view is "different".

Regarding one of your assumptions, no, I am not a Mason. Hardly.

Thank you.

I noticed a lot more than l posted nor cared to look for. You're wound into the script and don't care to extricate yourself..humm.. We differ. But how much can we differ and still be in one accord? Not this much.

All the information you posted...My answer is ... So...? What about it. You've got a longitude and latitude and synchronicity

...So what. Is it by the Lord's hand you receive? And honestly Seven l wonder if you care. You're starry eyed at your discovery but not fearful of what's in your pocket..

I see what you are saying and see it as a fact...Because it is fact doesn't make it truth or from the source of truth. Revelation of this type is frightening to me. I've experianced it before... And you never answered my question...but oh well. You don't want to be tested. God asks us to test everything. And you should be willing to give a quick answer and you're not.

Thanks C. I appreciate the feedback

I know of at least one occasion of occult knowledge of 9/11 before it happened...in fact at least 7 years before it happened

It is encoded in an album by Pink Floyd called "The Division Bell" in the page numbers...which are illustrated in tiny heads facing different directions like the heads on the cover. The following is a list of the song titles in the CD booklet along with the page number and position of the head icon as it relates to the directions of the compass.





There was a "puzzle" to be solved during their tour, called by the anonymous character named "Publius" on the usenet mail server an "Enigma"...in subsequent interviews with members of the band and concert hands, the lighting director Mark Brickman for the concert tour had said it was a puzzle thought up by someone from the Reagan administration "who loves puzzles"...another interviewee said it was from a "CIA guy" in Washington....this was in 1994

There is a song (if you can call it that) on their 2nd album called "POW R. TOC H.", recorded back in 1969

the pattern in the heads that face east clearly show the clue to this song in the letters PWTCH, with missing "oro"

All of the band members claim they know nothing about any "puzzle"...even though the word "ENIGMA PUBLIUS" flashes across the stage at one of their concerts at Giants Stadium in New Jersey (across from Manhattan) and the co-writer of the song "Wearing The Inside Out" (the "W" of WTC) has the word "enigma" cleaverly hidden in the lyrics in the letters "ni agme":



(see the large picture of the page these lyrics appear on here)

..and I've only touched the surface

This is the front cover...the sculpture is designed to look ambiguous, but it is actually a depiction of two towers with targets for eyes...



In the UK version of the album artwork (different from the US version) there appears to be 4 runway lights between the mouths of the sculpture. The sculpture in both pictures is constructed with steel and rivets (Like an airplane or building is constructed)

interesting...
38 wept....

Inside job, outside job--don't really know (suspect terrorism from the outside), but I do know that God takes "credit" for it: Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Also, an interesting "coincidence"--exactly 7 years prior to Sept. 11, 2001, on Sept. 11, 1994, Eugene Frank Corder hijacked a small Cessna 150 and attempted to crash into the White House, but failed. He crashed into the White House lawn instead a little after 1:00 a.m. the next day. Thinking about the conjecture surrounding Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania, and its possible target, I'd say the similarities are striking.

Eugene Frank Corder...17 letters, gematria = 170

Interesting.

In Christ,

Mike

I am so glad someone else finds thing fishy with 9/11. I did not read through the entire thread but I will as I have many things I would like for you all to look at and tell me what you think. Will come back after reading the entire thread.

Okay I finished reading the entire thread and it seems somewhere it took a nasty twist.

I think the OPs question was already answered and I agree with the answer.

Awesome information about 9/11 and thank G-d for my fellow brothers and sisters that believe 9/11 was a conspiracy, the complete lack of evidence for anything of what they say happened is stifling.

If you remember nothing else think about this:

Cell phones do not work at 32,000 feet and above, so how the heck did the people on flight 93 make cell phone calls with perfect clarity?