Is Obedience Legalism?

People might feel like they can get away with violating a traffic law or cheating on their taxes, but God and His laws work much differently. God sees everything we do, hears everything we say, and He really does care about how we behave. While the Lord offers forgiveness for our sins, there still are deadly consequences for breaking God's law. Amazingly, some Christians say any attempt to obey God's law amounts to legalism. Yet Jesus said if you really love God, you'll do what He asks. So is obedience legalism?
2. Can I be saved in His kingdom without obeying His Word, as found in the Holy Bible?


Search the Bible for God's will. It is your only safety.
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21. "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. " Matthew 19:17. "He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him." Hebrews 5:9.

Answer: No! Scripture is very clear on this point. Salvation and the kingdom of heaven are for those who obey the Lord's commands. God does not promise eternal life to those who merely make a profession of faith or are church members or are baptized, but rather to those who do His will, which is revealed in Scripture. Of course, this obedience
is possible only through Christ (Acts 4:12).

3. Why does God require obedience? Why is it necessary?

"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matthew 7:14. " But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death." Proverbs 8:36. "And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive." Deuteronomy 6:24.

Only one path leads to heaven. The Bible is the map that shows us the way.


Answer: Because there is only one narrow path that leads to godlikeness, and thus to His kingdom. All roads do not lead to the same place. The Bible is the map and guidebook with full instructions, warnings, and information on how to safely reach that kingdom. To disregard any part of it leads away from God and His kingdom. The universe of God is a universe of law and order. And there is no other way to true happiness.

4. Why does God permit disobedience to continue? Why not destroy sin and sinners now?


Sin can be safely destroyed by God only after all people understand and admit that He is just, loving, and merciful.
"Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." Jude 14, 15. "As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." Romans 14:11.

Answer: God permits disobedience and sin to continue until all people everywhere are at last fully convinced of God's justice, love, and mercy. All will finally realize that God, by requiring obedience, is not trying to force His will upon us, but rather is trying to keep us from hurting and destroying ourselves. 1. Will any be lost who truly think they are saved?
Matthew 7:21
Yes! Matthew 7:21-23 makes it clear that many who prophesy, cast out devils, and do many wonderful works in Christ's name will be lost but will think they are saved. Christ said they are lost because they did not do "the will of my Father which is in heaven." Verse 21. Those who refuse to obey God will end up believing a lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12) and thus think they are saved when instead they are lost.

True story: Pastor B: Why are you putting these people under bondage? A : Why do you say that? B: You are telling them, they must keep the commandments! A: What do you
want me to tell them,To break the commandments? B: You are putting work on them by telling them to keep the Sabbath day,A: I am telling them to rest, you are telling them to work,
to disobey Jesus commands' Jesus says 'John 14:15,21.8:58,If you love me , keep my commandments.Do you think Jesus want us to keep the 10 commandments? B: No! A: So , Is it Ok to
kill or steal? because I don't usually hear Pastors say, it is ok to lie, to steal? B: (Then he said), Yes, (Then he knew the Sabbath was a part of the ten commandments, then he said,)
No, we are suppose to keep only 9 of the commandments. A: Are telling me that the only commandment, God says to Remember in Exo:20:8-11 is the Only commandment, the world
should forget? Then Pastor B. became upset and walked away.True story#2 Pastor D: No body can keep the commandments? C:Which one are you breaking,are you stealing,killing,
committing adultery?D: Off course not! Why would God who is all knowing give us laws , He knows we can't keep? This is what many Pastors do to make God looks unjust.
6. Another Pastor said, we worship on Sunday, because that's the day Jesus rose . But where's the command to keep Sunday? He said, we don't have a command, but we have a popular tradition.The bible says ,
we shouldn't follow traditions, but we should obey what JESUS says. Some pastors will tell you, we are suppose to keep the commandments in the new testament . Where do you find in the new testament the
commandment that says' you shall not take name of the Lord your God in vain.It's not in the new testament.So is it ok to break the other commands? None of the Pastors believe it's Ok, to break the other 9
commandments. In James 2:8-12 ,If you really fulfil the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love another as yourself,by keeping the last 6 commandments
and by loving God, through keeping the first 4 commandments,you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as
transgressors.For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, "Do not commit adultery,also said, "Do
not murder.Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.So speak and so do as those who will be judged
by the law of liberty. If a person is brought before a judge because he /she is guilty of murder and he/she says to the judge, ' I know, I kill somebody ,but you should let me go, because I don't lie,
I don't steal, because I keep all the other commandments. Do you think the judge will accept that argument? No.Were the people of old and new testament times, save by killing lambs? No, The bible
says: Everyone met at the cross for salvation.The bible says , faith without works is dead. in Ps.138:2,For You have magnified Your word above all Your name, meaning Jesus paid the wages of sin
which is death for us, because He couldn't change His law of love. Jesus say in Ps. 89:34, 34,My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips. Mali.3:6"For I am the
LORD, I do not change;Eccl.3:1, I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him. If you
want to borrow some money from the bank,they will ask you to write your name on a piece of paper. why? To do a credit check to see, if you kept your word and IF you didn't keep your word ,
then your name is useless . In the same way God puts His WORD ABOVE HIS NAME,SO THAT JESUS NAME IS ABOVE EVERY OTHER NAME.WAS IT THE NAIL THAT KILLED JESUS?NO,
IT WAS OUR SINS that CAUSED JESUS TO DIE.

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Good Post...

Yet, I would ask, HOW is man ABLE to obey the Lord's commands?

~Ish

[quote=ishtob,May 18 2005, 12:54 PM]
Good Post...

Yet, I would ask, HOW is man ABLE to obey the Lord's commands?

I would guess, by loving people and GOD?

Isn't it a loving act to not steal, not tell a lie, not drag off another man's wife for your own, not fanticize about pornography.....(coveting something)

Jesus made it clear, we will be HUMBLED, by trying to keep THE LAW, it is the work of a lifetime, and we will be still learning and growning in HEAVEN...but we move towards accountability....and like David, we see the perfectness of God's LAW OF LOVE!

WE CAN LOVE 100% - or try? ha

WORTH A 2ND LOOK!






Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, 3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

James 1:21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. 22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.



In His Love,
Suzanne

Our own obedience becomes legalism when we look at others and judge they are not doing as well as ourselves. We cannot make others subject to our own approval. We must never compare ourselves with another....except to be spurred onward to greater obedience. We must simply obey from a heart that is dependent on God. We must never judge the servant of another.

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John

That is not a scriptural teaching. As a body, we are to examine ourselves, just as Paul taught the early church, and rebuked the early church for not dealing with the sin within its believers:

1 Corinthians 5

It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named* among the Gentiles--that a man has his father's wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?

7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner--not even to eat with such a person. 12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore "put away from yourselves the evil person."


(That is how the church of today got in the shape that it is in!)


In His Love,
Suzanne

the 10 commandment are in exodus 20..........in the LAW OF MOSES........said LAW applies ONLY to 1 nation.......THE ELECT NATION ISRAEL.........and applied ONLY for a specific period of time (from Exodus/Mt Sinai to Acts2/Pentecost/birth of christian church)

all people on earth SHOULD have converted to Christianity at ACTS 2............and people SHOULD have stopped obeying the LETTER OF THE MOSAIC LAW..............after Acts 2, Christians were freed from observing the OT version of SABBATH DAY..........they worshipped on Sunday, which was the Resurrection day of christ

they were freed from the dietary rules, killing lambs, observing SABBATH YEARS, AND JUBILEES, physical circumcision, etc

Thank God!

imagine if all males ON EARTH must go to Jerusalem 3 times a year for the 3 feasts!.........that's what the Judaizers want to say!


belief in the NT includes repentance, obedience, etc..........but does NOT include obedience to the MOSAIC LAW.

I am speaking of "obedience" to God's Word......period.

The 10 commandments reveal the true love towards God (1st 4 commandments) and true love towards our brothers (end of 4th commandment thru the 10th commandment.)



In His Love,
Suzanne

Obedience to the law is legalism. Obedience to the grace message and the commands within the infrastructure of the sacrifice of God are not.

The big ten are kept in accordance with the love of God and the God of love and are encapsulated in the grace message and the greatest of all commandments....Love for God, love for man....as Jesus Himself testified....

Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

In the books written by St-Paul there are many rules which are rooted in the old testamentic law.
It can be easily read in what behaviour St-Paul condemns. It's the same laws as in the old testament.
The only difference may be that people are warned not of an earthly punishment like being stoned, but of not being able to enter the kingdom of heavens. That's because none of the new testamentic christian communities held any government power to enforce laws like the old testamentic ones in Israel.
Under the Roman rule in Israel, as long as it was about an internal Israeli affair such as cases which you can call civil cases (adultery or blasphemy and so on), crimes were left to the High Council to be punished. When it fell under Roman law (for example when a Roman citizen was involved) the Roman law applied in Israel. St-Paul could apply to a higher Roman court when he couldn't solve a dispute with the Israeli High Council as can be read in the bible. He rather trusted the Roman law system than the Israeli one when it suited him.

Love will automatically yield obedience.

In His Love,
Suzanne

Paul's writings were either inspired by God, or none of the Bible was true. Are you trying to pick out the "true" parts/those that suit your own desires?


ALL of what Paul wrote was Truth for the NT church.

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,



In His Love,
Suzanne

I absolutely agree, John.

I believe you're on the mark here.

So you completely discount the inspired instructions that Paul was giving to the body? On what basis?


In His Love,
Suzanne

There is a difference between speaking by the Spirit, and speaking from ourselves. It is best to err on the side of caution when rebuking someone. However, if you are compelled to speak by the Spirit, then it must be done. Too often, people speak from themselves in the form of an opinion. Untold amounts of damage has been done in this way. How can we warn someone to wait on the Lord when we haven't waited on the Lord ourselves?

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John

Who was talking about speaking from ourselves? I was talking about the Word of God, and what is expected of God's Children/The Body.

It isn't a mystery, in regard to what our Father expects of His Children, and how He made it possible for us.


Is obeying the Father right OR wrong?

(Addullum, that was a question in general, not specifically directed at you, but for all.)




In His Love,
Suzanne

Actually, not all of the NT is inspired by the HS. More specifically, Paul's writings. There are parts of his writings that are his opinion where he delineates that they are not from the Spirit, but from his own mind. Most pertain to the situation the church was facing at that time, and, his belief of how they should handle certain things.

Obedience

Romans 1:5 Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.

Ro 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Ro 6:16
Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Ro 16:19 -
Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I am full of joy over you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.

2Co 9:13
Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else.

2Co 10:6
And we will be ready to punish every act of disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

1 Peter 1:2
who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and sprinkling by his blood:

2Jo 1:6
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.


In His Love,
Suzanne

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness


So, have you told God that there's a mistake in the Holy Scriptures, above?


In His Love,
Suzanne

Here are some examples:

1Co 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: but I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be trustworthy.

And here are Paul's thoughts on the matter, and how he believes they should proceed, but, he says clearly this is not from God.

1Co 7:26 I think therefore that this is good by reason of the distress that is upon us, namely, that it is good for a man to be as he is.

Another
1Co 7:12 For to the rest I speak, not the Lord. If any brother hath a wife that believeth not and she consent to dwell with him: let him not put her away.

And another where he is unsure, but, he thinks he has the Spirit on this one
1Co 7:40 But she is happier if she abide as she is, after my judgment: and I think that I also have the Spirit of God.

Stuff like that. I think usually he makes note of what are his thoughts on a matter verses things he has been told by the Spirit to tell the churches.





I should add, when Paul wrote this to Timothy, all they had was the OT ie., the Torah, so, he was obviously referring to it in this. I'm not sure when the NT letters became Canon which is not to detract from them, most of it is from the Spirit I am sure, but parts, especially where noted by Paul etc, are personal opinion of the Apostle(s).

Either its ALL Truth and inspired and applicable, or we need to nominate someone whose going to pick the TRUE/INSPIRED verses from the uninspired ones.



Who gets to pick them out?




In His Love,
Suzanne

And I was speaking to all! The word of God is there for all to read. Applying it correctly is the job of the Holy Spirit. (This is a blanket statement not meant for anyone in particular as this is a public forum).

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John

But, there's no trick to applying 1 Cor. 5 to the body/the church.


1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4 When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord. 6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough?

7 Get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast--as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast, the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people-- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."


(It's very direct, absolute, distinct and clear.)


It is about "judging" within the church (see verse 12.) Even though this generation is appalled by it, it is nevertheless, still scriptural, and for a reason.
As much as we hate to hear them, there are ABSOLUTES within God's Word. We just don't like them much.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Or, is obedience LOVE?

http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/obedience.htm

-7

Thank you for sharing that Seven. It was a very, very good article.

I am passing it on.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Amen Suzanne

Ah, but it is applied when receptive to the Holy Spirit.

But, how else if instead it is not written in the heart but in a book to read instead?

How many have read a book, "obeyed" it and then commanded others to follow doctrine?

I am reminded again to beware the leaven of the Pharasees and the Saduccees.

You're welcome. (I thought so, too.)

Blessings,

-7

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Hi five that...

I do believe that at the time of the writing of what we now call th eNew Testament it was not looked upon as scripture but simply as (epistles) letters to the churches in order that they woul dhave direction from Paul etc...I believe the scriptures mentioned in the Tim pasage refer to the OT that they were using primarily to show forth all the fulfilled prophecy of the birth, death and resurrection of Christ. And the history of the Jews...Surely we must see that there is a "sliding scale" of perspective regarding holy writings.

No, surely we must not. God does not show favoritism with regard to His Word....It is ALL TRUTH for ALL TIME.


In His Love,
Suzanne

I hope you will look at The Law vs Grace.... I think this is great teaching!




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It is again conveying the ideas of man's desires, rather than believing God's Word.


I would rather read Psalms 119.


In His Love,
Suzanne

I see a discord amongst believers in the realm of judgment. Much like a teeter-totter, on one end, there's "judge not!", and on the other "over-judge according to Pharasaic standards!". I believe there is a middle ground to try to walk in. My husband and I keep Sabbath, but do not condemn those who do not. We also have been led by God to have nothing to do with pagan holidays such as Christmas, Easter and Halloween. Now will I be looked upon as holier than thou, or am I saying this in accusation against those who may feel differently?

Concerning Sabbath, I think Paul's overall message is right, ie-let each one be convinced in their own heart and judge not one another in this regard...in other words, Sabbath keeping or no, it should not be viewed as a "salvation" issue. This wouldn't stop me however from sharing "why" I believe it should be kept, or why we don't partake of various holidays. There also needs to be some grace given (as in TIME for a person to recognize the truth about these "grayer" matters). I celebrated Christmas for most of my life and would have considered those who do not, to be legalistic. FYI, we are not in any way Jehovah witness or SDA...these are our own personal convictions. Those who hold similarly to my views, I must admit most seem to have a harsh view towards those who do not...and this I find apalling.

Concerning Paul's words being inspired or not, yes, there are a few instances where he does point out that these are his own opinions...but I think he was careful to make that point when it was warranted and in the face of all things considered, I would value his opinion greatly...and would follow that.
God bless,
Kim

Faith in the done works at the cross (Christ now lives in us and we are dead ) THAT , when believed, brings GRACE from God, and it is through that grace that we are enabled by God, to walk in obedience to His Word.

So what the Law could not do from the outside............CHRIST now does , from the inside.

Christ in me the hope of glory. I cannot, I cannot, I cannot , I really, really cannot..................but Christ Jesus CAN, he HAS done it. It is already done, he CAME to set the captives free. I am now free from bondage to sin (disobedience) and He HAS now enabled me (through grace, that results from faith) to walk this road of obedience

We do not see this, because we still look at ourselves as alive to self and not DEAD unto sin and alive unto God. We have no faith in the gospel, so we have no grace from God so we cannot walk in obedience. That is why most people struggle with this and they do not understand it. We must FIRST believe the gospel" Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me

Dear C,

I completely agree that Christ IS the power to overcome sin, IF we are willing to listen to His Word! If we really believe, then the desire of the flesh is overcome by love and belief in Jesus.


I think that there are many today who have denied the power, and thus still walk in willful sin of the flesh, and this is what concerns me...especially in light of the flood of grace ONLY instruction. There is much lacking when we omit the power...then we end up as stated:


2 Timothy 3:1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.


In His Love,
Suzanne

Yes, but we have to be very clear about what we believe. If believing in Jesus and loving Him was it, then we would all be walking in perfection. But what we are called on to believe is more specific. We are told to 1) Reckon ourselves dead to sin 2) We must agree with Gal 2:20 we are dead and crucified and Christ now lives in us.
If we really believe these scriptures, and we see "the end from the beginning" (as God does) then we see our perfection in Christ. If we keep on to that which we received from the beginning, we shall be saved (sozo: completely and totally saved from all the curse, bondage, lack, need, sickness etc ) So I walk in this truth, despite the fact that I do not always SEE the victory, I already claim it as my own (in Christ it is mine )

If we focus on us, we are denying the fact that we are dead and crucified (dead men do not sin) So again: BY FAITH I take this to be real, and BECAUSE I believe this, God will grand me GRACE and that grace WILL enable me to walk in victory. WHY? Because Jesus said: Let it be to you according to your FAITH


C

To disobey, is to disbelieve.

Hebrews 3:17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

Hebrews 4:...For anyone who disobeys God, as the people of Israel did, will fall. 12 For the word of God is full of living power. It is sharper than the sharpest knife, cutting deep into our innermost thoughts and desires. It exposes us for what we really are.



In His Love,
Suzanne

To paul 7

who is AMAZING FACTS paul 7

one thing i have learnt is you can not trust these web sites and i try to stay clear from these christian web sites and look to gods word


hear is what i am going to leave from this web site and you tell me weather you support what this site has to offer christians


can i be saved in his kingdom with out obeying his word as found in the holy bible


matthew 7 - 21 not everyone that saith unto me lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven

if thou wil enter into the life keep the commandments mattehw 19 -17 he became the author of eternal salvstion unto all them that obey him heb 5 - 9


the answer is no scripture is clear on this point salvation and the kingdom of heaven are for those who obey the lords commands God does not promise eternal life to those who merely make a proffesion of faith or are church members baptized but rather for those who do his will which is revealed in scripture of course this obediance is possible only threw christ


know i would like paul 7 only to respond not tsth please avoid this tsth i know were you are comming from and i know who you are so please respect what i have said tsth i only want paul 7 to respond to what i have left hear


who or what is amazig facts i have not heard of this group


do you support what amazing facts has to offer as amazing facts has the very same topic paul is obediance Legalism ?


i am going to ask a good friend of mine to do some digging for me he has just taken over as dean of our bible collage we are connected with hillsong as we get students from all over the world comming to our bible collage once the dean gets back to me i wil respond

jesus said be ware of false christs and paul even warned young timothy



i dont know who paul 7 is so i am going to go by what 1 john 4 is saying test all spirits not all spirits are of God


so who or what is this group paul 7 www.amazingfacts.org as they have this very same topic you set up in their forum

God bless from damo






To paul 7

is this the web site you are quoting this from www.amazingfacts.org ? have you bothered to tell the ones hear who have been so far responding it would have given the members a better chance to see if this lines up with gods word

one thing i have learnt is you can not trust these web sites and i try to stay clear from these christian web sites and look to gods word


hear is what i am going to leave from this web site and you tell me weather you support what this site has to offer christians


can i be saved in his kingdom with out obeying his word as found in the holy bible


matthew 7 - 21 not everyone that saith unto me lord lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven

if thou wil enter into the life keep the commandments mattehw 19 -17 he became the author of eternal salvstion unto all them that obey him heb 5 - 9


the answer is no scripture is clear on this point salvation and the kingdom of heaven are for those who obey the lords commands God does not promise eternal life to those who merely make a proffesion of faith or are church members baptized but rather for those who do his will which is revealed in scripture of course this obediance is possible only threw christ


know i would like the paul 7 only to respond not tsth please avoid this tsth i know were you are comming from and i know who you are so please respect what i have said tsth i only want paul 7 to respond to what i have left hear


who or what is amazig facts i have not heard of this group


do you support what amazing facts has to offer as amazing facts has the very same topic paul is obediance Legalism ?


i am going to ask a good friend of mine to do some digging for me he has just taken over as dean of our bible collage we are connected with hillsong as we get students from all over the world comming to our bible collage once the dean gets back to me i wil respond

before members of this forum respond to paul 7 post have a look at the web site i have left paul 7

jesus said be ware of false christs and paul even warned young timothy



i dont know who paul 7 so i am going to go by what 1 john 4 is saying test all spirits not all spirits are of God


so who or what is this group paul 7 www.amazingfacts.org as they have this very same topic you set up in their forum

God bless from damo

Dear damo,

I didn't want you to be waiting for Paul7 to respond, as this thread was a thread I "bumped up". The original date that Paul started it on was in 2005, so I don't think he'll be responding to your questions....as I haven't seen him as a member currently posting.

In His Love,
Suzanne

people hear are trusting a web site instead of looking to gods word i have been going over that web site due to not knowing much about amazing facts

and i saw the very same post the op posted in their forum he coppied what he placed from there site word for word and said its a trusty web site


i tend not to trust thes web sites i tend to do some re search and a little reading


if it is true by what the web site is saying we all have gotten it wrong its like what jesus said to his disciples in matthew 28 telling them to go preach the good news to all the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and the holy spirit teling them to observe everything that i have said needs to be put to the side until we all get our acts right as amazing facts is saying those of us who have said the sinners prayer and been baptized wil not enter his eternal rest when christ comes for us

i have sent the web site of to another friend he is going to go over what i have been looking at

if this is an old post it should have been left alone and not bumped



God bless from damo

Simply put is this.......

Matthew 22:36-39
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
"Jesus said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with ALL your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind."
"This is the first and great commandment."
"And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself"
"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

IT is your choice to follow God or not to. But if you LOVE God with all your heart, soul, and mind, you will DESIRE to do the will of God without obligation or duty. It will be joy and a blessing, for those who know and love God.
1 Corinthians 13:13 "But now faith, hope, and love remain-these three. The greatest of these is love."

The first 4 Commandments = Loving God with all your heart, your soul, your mind.
The last 6 commandments = Loving your neighbor as yourself.

Should we not desire to do these things?

Revelation 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints, here are those who keep the commandments of God, and have the faith of Jesus."