http://www.rapturealert.com/2007/032507ChrisMason.asp .....................................................................benny

Unfortunately Benny. these people are deceived. To die as a soldier for any beast on earth is not understanding the first two elementary principals of Christ namely "Repentance from dead works" and "Faith toward God". Everyone who has died not understanding and practicing the elementary principals of Christ are lost.

Dear Godsloft.com,....He died as a soldier of the United States of America, and was and is a servant of our Lord Jesus Christ..........................The Lord Jesus paid the price of his sins on the Cross of Calvary............he is not lost.............................................benny

Do you understand the elementary principles of Christ Benny? Perhaps you have never accepted the true Christ. There is no salvation in deception. Christ paid the price for his friends only.

13 Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Dear godsloft.com,.......What do you find deceptive in the original topic?...........Also, it seems that the soldier layed his life down for every citizen in America.....including you......................................benny

I'm not great about pulling out scripture yet...but isn't in in Peter somewhere that God commands us to obey our leaders?

Our soldiers are obeying...

I'm sorry Godsloft, but I have to say you are very wrong here. I know many soldiers here in Virginia Beach (Norfolk area)....we have a lot of men and women putting their lives on the line everyday and yes...they are saved. I'm sorry you think otherwise.

Christ laid His life down for me.
Soldiers of nations lay their life down for that purpose.
The Lord is my purpose not the nations that will all be destroyed.
I am a citizen of heaven not earth as also our Lord taught us by example and speech.
When the Lord sends His prophets to destroy the nations and after the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom then all who have died for the nations will have died in vain.

Dear godsloft.com....I am in agreement with Roxygal.....In the above post you quote;=When the Lord sends His prophets to destroy the nations and after the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom then all who have died for the nations will have died in vain.
My question is, what prophets are you refering too?.............................................benny

I have my opinions about the Iraq war and our leadership, but sometimes you just have to lay it all aside and weep with those who mourn, on both sides of this war. May God bring something good out of all of this, amen. And open the eyes of the blind...war is vanity...all is vanity, says the preacher,,,this is the end of the matter: Fear God and keep His commandments...for this is the whole duty of man.

Godsloft.com, I agree to disagree with you.

What does the Bible say about a Christian serving in the military?

http://www.gotquestions.org/military-Christian.html

Lest we forget..Psalms 91: The Soldier's Prayer

Psalms 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. 2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust. 3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence. 4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler. 5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; 6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. 7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee. 8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked. 9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; 10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. 11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. 12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. 13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. 14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. 15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him. 16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.


You see, I am an aunt that has several nephews serving in our US Armed Forces...I also know first hand what it means when one of these young men come home early from their duty..usually mamed for life or in a casket. To think it isn't important to GOD is just plain wrong. You see I have also served in the military, I know my LORD and SAVIOR and I know that whatever I do, I do it for HIM.

This is a post that I started a while back...

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s...ic=6616&hl=

May the LORD bless you always.

you might want to check your link, tigger...I didn't see anything of relevance there

Exodus 20
13 Thou shalt not kill.
Matthew 26
52 But Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Matthew 5
38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Who has beguiled you to take up the cause of the beast against the Lord? If your leaders tell you to curse God as they have. Do you do it without hesitation?

Thank you.

The link is fixed.




Ecc 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

I am looking forward to the day that these scriptures are fulfilled:

Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Until then, I pray that the LORD protect our Soldiers.

So you want to follow the wisdom of a man who couldn't save himself onetiggerroo? Christ came to show you the way to salvation and the perfect example. Christ's teachings can save you. Solomons teachings can not. The choice is yours, "for you".

The part you didn't copy was this:



Perhaps you should be careful in your assumptions. As a matter of fact, war is mentioned 225 time in 220 verses...

Exd 15:3 The LORD [is] a man of war: the LORD [is] his name.

Soldier is mentioned 5 times and in 5 verses.

Here are two (2) of them:

2Ti 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. 4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Are you denying the WORD?

from the link





That is a rather deceptive statement, since Paul was using military terms for spiritual warfare in contrast to weapons of the flesh (for our weapons are not carnal but mighty...)...for we do not wrestle against flesh and blood...

I don't think that it is deceptive:

Look at it in context:

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;


Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;


Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.


Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:


Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,


Eph 6:20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

You know...I love you ALL very much. I really do.

I can't see this thread going anywhere productive. Especially while some of our Brothers and Sisters are at war right now. How will Godssoldier feel if he checks in here and reads that...wow he's going to hell because he's in the military? I know that you all can fling scripture around to suit both stances...but where will that really get us right now? Is it worth hurting eachother over? I say we all agree to disagree and let this go...especially for the sake of our boys & girls out there.

Blessings to all...
Love, Lisa

Roxy, I love you dearly...I think you know this. If you go back and read my first post, I said I agree to disagree...but when someone tells you you are not a Christian...you tell me. I agree that we have too many men and women serving in the Military to be belittling them. I know that our LORD calls for us to pray. Wars and rumors of wars is prophecy, nobody likes war, but its there just the same, and was prophecied!

amen Lisa...I didn't say anyone was going to hell did I?



But the scriptures ought to be interpreted right, no matter what thread they are being used in.

Nevertheless, Paul is speaking of the spiritual, not carnal weapons...

Isaiah 34
1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

The Lord has not chosen anyone to be a soldier for the beasts of this world onetiggerroo.
Being a soldier for Christ is putting on His armor and following Him and His teachings.
You are attempting to exchange the truth for the lie and bow down and worship the beast instead of the creator who is blessed forever.
I have no need to be careful onetiggerroo where as I assume nothing. Your speech witnesses against you. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. You love the beast and it's soldiers and you are willing to forsake the truth for them.

Go back and read what I have highlighted...it is prophetically speaking...the wars are both spiritual and carnal.

No you didn't say that I was going to hell, but someone else said as much, by saying I was not a Christian...on this post.

JESUS WORDS:

Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.


Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


Mat 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.


Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.


Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.


Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.


Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.


Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Godsloft.com you said:



1Cr 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. 4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

I forgive you for misjudging me.

No, not you mmddll...I was referring more to godsloft. And yes, Susan, I read your post too...and of course I know you love me too.

I know you all are searching for the truth in all this...It's tough, though when it comes to this subject.
I just know so many wonderful military families...Christians..and I consider them my brothers & sisters.

I just can't see this thread going anywhere except hurting eachother...but that's just my take on it..

I'm stepping out.

Rember though...we do have military people on this board **this is for everyone not just you two mm & tig.

Love to you & Many Blessings!!
Love,Lisa

These arguments can go in a million different directions, but the simple fact is that Jesus never once said that war is a good thing...He actually referred to the wars and famines and others as "sorrows"...I don't think He really approves, yet it is inevitable, because the love of many has grown cold



Isaiah chapter 2 shows what the Lord wants:

4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

And that my friend, is what I said in an earlier post. I am praying for that day to come, when the weapons of war are beaten into plowshares; but until then, we must pray for our soldiers. Did you know that about 95% of war is religious? Interesting fact...the war we are fighting is also a religious one. Terrorism that is based on the false religion of Islam. There is so much more for us to be concerned with. Praying for Israel is top on my list. If you think that some are not called to be soldiers by GOD, well why would HE allow war? If I didn't fight for the LORD, would I be doing my duty as a Christian, yet, there are many Christians that are being persecutted all over the world. The persecutted Christians are doing HIS work and also standing on HIS WORD. Think about this...how many people have already been martyred, in the war that is happening now. Now, think about how many of those people LOVED the LORD, and felt that it was their duty.

Isaiah 34
1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

James 4
4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Matthew 10
37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
40 "He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.

Godsloft...

I would be very careful. I can say because of personal experience that talking about the Lord's people and making judgements about them can only lead to that same judgement falling on you.

Grace is available to all- regardless of race, age, or occupation.

Benny, thank you for posting this. It also made me cry. I appologise if I got this thread off track. May the LORD continue to bless you.

Judgment has already come to my door jhamner. The beasts best assassin no longer resides here. He died when I laid his body down at the foot of the cross. And now this flesh will wait on the Lord for that moment when it will perish in His service. So you see jhamner I have nothing to be careful over. Truth is truth no matter how painful to some. The truth will not be stopped. His arm is in motion and can not be recalled.

I mourn with all who mourn, regardless of the situation. That is my final answer.

P.S. tiggeroo, you are not to blame, these are trying times and nobody is perfect but for the grace of God which is sufficient for all of us who are in Christ.

I pray for our soldiers, and I pray for all those who suffer in the middle of the battles that are at the mercy of the enemy. Our soldiers and their soldiers can all be found at fault(and be an enemy)...and in War there can be total chaois for when one is defending their own survival or helping, saving another.
It is not for me to judge...and Godsloft you may be well to write the verse in the Bible that CLEARLY tells us...
that it is not us who is to judge who is to go to the pits of Hell or to Heaven...for that is calling God down from Heaven to make judgment...Do you know the verse???

We all fall short of the Glory of God...it is by God's mercy and grace that we are saved, not of works, and not by our own rightheousness.
Yes dear Godsloft, you call for judgment...and you look on others to be judged...
Just remember we will all be judged so Please examine yourself...and Humble yourself before Jesus...

Only Christ Jesus our LORD is WORTHY, WORHTY to Receive our PRAISE, HOLY and merciful...He sees all in all and nothing shall be hidden from him...He also SEES the MERCY given, even on the battlefields, when on lays down their life for another...and we have seen and heard many a story where a soldier lays down his life at times even for an enemy against him.

For there is no greater love than this, that a friend lays down his life for another.

If you can say something in ALL TRUTH without one ounce of untruth...what if one where to come in to your home and try to kill your friend or wife or brother or whomever...would you defend them and if you say you would not...Can you speak that in ALL TRUTH?

The only real TRUTH OF ALL TRUTH is CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD...and it is his glory we are under, no nothing of ourselves.

God have mercy on all those whom are under the sword, for God rains on the just and unjust.

Have mercy Godsloft, we all fall short, and GOD is the JUDGE of all Righteousness..Praise him, let us all examine ourselves.

Remember he clearly Said, Whomever is without sin cast the first stone. We are all guilty LORD, of judging, forgive us LORD and let us rest in You, for every knee will bow and every tongue confess that You are LORD.

we are in sorrow for lives lost on both sides, those oppressed those afflicted, and we know that you Alone are Just to judge us all Dear Jesus.

God's Blessings in the name of our dear Savior Jesus, be with us all.

http://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/transcrip...ible_on_war.htm
As Christians is it our duty to forgive, to turn the other cheek, to love our enemies? Yes, it is! These verses lay out the Christian's responsibility before God. This is how we, as Christians, are to live, but we must understand that the same Bible that teaches us to love our enemies also teaches that God has told His people to go to war on many occasions.....

Joshua 5:1 So it was, when all the kings of the Amorites who were on the west side of the Jordan, and all the kings of the Canaanites who were by the sea, heard that the LORD had dried up the waters of the Jordan from before the children of Israel until we had crossed over, that their heart melted; and there was no spirit in them any longer because of the children of Israel.

Joshua 6:1-2 Now Jericho was securely shut up because of the children of Israel; none went out, and none came in. 2 And the LORD said to Joshua: "See! I have given Jericho into your hand, its king, and the mighty men of valor.

God told Joshua to attack the city of Jericho and destroy it.

Joshua 6:20-21 So the people shouted when the priests blew the trumpets. And it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat. Then the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

What did the people of Jericho do to the Israelites? Nothing! Nothing at all. They killed them all because God told them to. God had His reasons. In reading these scriptures would you get the idea that God is against war? Not hardly!

Joshua 8:1-2 Now the LORD said to Joshua: "Do not be afraid, nor be dismayed; take all the people of war with you, and arise, go up to Ai. See, I have given into your hand the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. 2 "And you shall do to Ai and its king as you did to Jericho and its king. Only its spoil and its cattle you shall take as booty for yourselves. Lay an ambush for the city behind it."

Joshua 8:25-29 So it was that all who fell that day, both men and women, were twelve thousand; all the people of Ai. 26 For Joshua did not draw back his hand, with which he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the livestock and the spoil of that city Israel took as booty for themselves, according to the word of the LORD which He had commanded Joshua. 28 So Joshua burned Ai and made it a heap forever, a desolation to this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until evening. And as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his corpse down from the tree, cast it at the entrance of the gate of the city, and raise over it a great heap of stones that remains to this day.
Israel, God's people, were involved in war after war:

Joshua 11:19-20 There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, except the Hivites, the inhabitants of Gibeon. All the others they took in battle. 20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that He might utterly destroy them, and that they might receive no mercy, but that He might destroy them, as the LORD had commanded Moses.
These verses tells us that God hardened the hearts of these people so they would go to war with Israel, because He wanted to destroy them. In going to war, Israel was carrying out the will of God.

2 Samuel 5:18-25 The Philistines also went and deployed themselves in the Valley of Rephaim. 19 So David inquired of the LORD, saying, "Shall I go up against the Philistines? Will You deliver them into my hand?" And the LORD said to David, "Go up, for I will doubtless deliver the Philistines into your hand." 20 So David went to Baal Perazim, and David defeated them there; and he said, "The LORD has broken through my enemies before me, like a breakthrough of water." Therefore he called the name of that place Baal Perazim. 21 And they left their images there, and David and his men carried them away. 22 Then the Philistines went up once again and deployed themselves in the Valley of Rephaim. 23 Therefore David inquired of the LORD, and He said, "You shall not go up; circle around behind them, and come upon them in front of the mulberry trees. 24 "And it shall be, when you hear the sound of marching in the tops of the mulberry trees, then you shall advance quickly. For then the LORD will go out before you to strike the camp of the Philistines." 25 And David did so, as the LORD commanded him; and he drove back the Philistines from Geba as far as Gezer.

Luke 3:14 Likewise the soldiers asked him, saying, "And what shall we do?" So he said to them, "Do not intimidate anyone or accuse falsely, and be content with your wages."

Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Notice that, "The authorities that exist are appointed by God." The word "appointed" is the Greek word tasso, which means: "to appoint, to assign a place to, to ordain". Paul tells us here that government is an ordinance of God. This is a very comprehensive proposition. All authority is of God, which means they derive their origin, right, and power from God. Any form of civil authority comes directly from God. Government is an institution of God.

These verses give us a two fold purpose of government; they are to punish evil and defend good.

1 Peter 2:14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
Verse 4 of Romans 13 says, "...if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain." The government has been given a sword by God. The sword is frequently associated with death in the New Testament. In antiquity the sword was more than a symbol of power and authority, it was a symbol of the right of life and death. The common method of capital punishment was decapitation by the sword.

Vengeance belongs to God, and it often comes through the government. The government has been given a function which has been explicitly forbidden to the Christian.

It wasn't until Augustine addressed the subject around 400 A.D. that Christians realized sometimes the way to peace required taking the road to war. Augustine said, "Peace is not sought in order to provide war, but war is waged in order to attain peace." And with that, Augustine began laying the foundation for what we know today as the principles for Just War, which states:

1. JUST WAR can only be waged by legitimate authorities.
2. JUST WAR must exhaust all non-violent options first.
3. JUST WAR must have a reasonable chance to succeed.
4. JUST WAR must be fought with right intentions.
5. JUST WAR must discriminate between combative enemies and non-combative civilians (Death of civilians is considered justifiable only if unavoidable).
6. JUST WAR's ultimate goal should be to re-establish peace.

Augustine's rationale for war was nothing new. It was simply an elaboration of what the Bible had said all along, and what Christians had missed for 400 years. Our rulers are God's servants who have a responsibility to punish wrongdoers. Our government has a responsibility to administer justice.

Yes wernotalone. Judgment belongs to the Lord. He showed you by example and teaching what His judgments are. But now many here have stood up in anger against that judgment and teaching of the Lord in favor of the armies of the beast. Now you say I must humble myself to the Lord? What Lord is it that you would have me humble myself to? Now you know what kind of reception the Lord's prophets receive.

Matthew 23
34 Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36 Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

It's a double-edged sword.

aren't we warned to not be of this world but to look to Christ always, even in perilous times?

and what if for example we lived under Hitler, if we went to war for him would we be considered innocent, for many now are being charged with war crimes? It's confusing to me at times. when you cannot trust your own government. I pray for them and know that God is in control...I know the soldiers are doing what they beleive to be right...therefore I judge them not, as I am not required to judge them, but if I judge any government in regards to not trusting them, does that mean I am not doing God's will?

For instance, those we consider to be the enemy, they truly beleive they are following God's will. and they are under a government?

Daniel 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the TRANSGRESSORS are COME TO THE FULL, a King of FIERCE Contenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24. And HIS POWER shall be mighty, but not by his own power, and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the HOLY PEOPLE.

I beleive this verse in Daniel explains what happened in the past, but also a future prophesy of the coming of the Anti-Christ.

25. And through HIS POLICY also he shall cause CRAFT to PROSPER in HIS HAND; and he shall magnify Himself in his heart, and by PEACE SHALL HE DESTROY MANY; he shall also stand up against the Prince of Princes; but he sahll be broken without hand.

he will counterfeit Christ, by doing good, and many if it where possible shall be deceived, even the elect.

so if I am under this ruler and recognise him to be untruthful is it against God's will for me not to follow his policies...such as like fighting for him and taking the mark of the beast? And no, I am not accusing Bush, as the Anti-Christ and our government...I beleive all governments are now corrupt and are battling against the pricipalities of darkness and those in high places...
But at the expence of peace, freedom will be hard to find here now, and no true peace will be of this world until Jesus returns...and the comforting peace he allows us all to have in the Holy Spirit.

Do I trust any of the governments throughout this world NOW, No I don't, but I also recognise that many are trying to do good under good intentions, but at the expense of the world being blown to smitherines have to compromise TRUTH.

THERE IS NO TRUTH BUT IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD, he loves us all, and many will come under his mighty wings and protection, in dispair and mistrust, let us not fear this World but TRUST JESUS.

Do you honestly love your neighbor if you know the Judgments of God and don't warn them that they are on a collision course?
Then God has indeed prepared those who will speak the words and judgment will fall from heaven on Gods enemies. Has God not also prepared them to know His judgment and know the difference? So put on the full armor of God and "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you." "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."*

Isaiah 34
1 Come near, you nations, to hear; And heed, you people! Let the earth hear, and all that is in it, The world and all things that come forth from it.
2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.
3 Also their slain shall be thrown out; Their stench shall rise from their corpses, And the mountains shall be melted with their blood.

James 4
4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously"?
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble."
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.
8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
9 Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Matthew 10
37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.
40 "He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.

Christ is worthy to open the seals and send whoever He chooses. But will you know it while you are worshiping the beast in His name. No you won't. what you will do is what your fathers did, find every precept that you can to make the true God of heaven go away.
This is the end. The power of God is back and this world is coming down and will rise no more.
Repent and believe the gospel. No one will strengthen themselves who lives in inequity. Namely by the means of the beast. (your nation)

Why do you accuse me? I am a beleive in Christ Jesus our Lord...and I know that it is nothing of my own righteousness or of this world that we are saved. And I know that Jesus had to die on the Cross for my sins and yours too.
It is by HIS GRACE that we are saved.
He knows me, you do not...so please quite accusing.

Where is the glass of water...or would you rather give me vinegar?

and he loves all the Christians here on this site. GOD IS WITH US...AMEN

Werenotalone, I know you and know that you are a Christian...

It is ashamed that this is allowed to happen here, to acuse the breathern of not being saved!

You also know what the Bible says:

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Scriptually speaking; they will be "false accusers", "having a form of godliness"," but denying the power thereof"and, "never coming to the knowledge of truth":

2Ti 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

JESUS said:

Jhn 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Godsloft....are you casting stones?

have no Idea how that happened

Let the dead bury the dead. But here's a song for ya

To the tune of “I've got a home in that rock”.


I repent now of my sin Lord, let it be.
Please forgive me of my sin Lord, let it be.
Fill me with Your Spirit now Lead me on and show me How.
Fill me with Your Holy Spirit, Let it be.

Fill me with Your Holy Spirit, let it be.
Replace the evil thats within me, let it be.
Fill me with your Spirit now Lead me on and show me How.
Let me shine Your light for others, let it be.

Let me shine Your light for others, let it be.
Save my sisters and my brothers, let it be.
Fill me with your Spirit now Lead me on and show me How.
Display the power of Your Spirit, They'll believe.

Display the power of Your Spirit Lord through me.
Display the power of Your Spirit, They'll believe.
Fill me with your Spirit now Lead me on and show me How.
I repent now of my sin Lord, let it be.

I repent now of my sin Lord, let it be.
Please forgive me of my sin Lord, let it be.
Fill me with Your Spirit now Lead me on and show me How.
Fill me with Your Holy Spirit, Let it be.

brother,

you were the instrument about a year ago that led me out of the
obsessiveness of pride. i once said about that time...i will be red
until i'm dead...and the Spirit of God...just convicted me that i
would die...and let dye go right then...i was so convicted about
shaving my head and wearing sackcloth...and the star of david...

in my heart...

well, my hair is short and the color is almost mine...and i am
blessed with this humility...the experience has mortified me...

i just shared this with a brother...and i thank you that you posted
this today...as a confirmation to the act that i took...

bless you.

signet

No problem. It happens . Has far i know if i net connection problem and i keep pressing submit button and without my knowledge i have created so many same threads. It has happened to me in other forum. .


God Bless.

24 "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

You cannot serve God and the beast. That is why the Lord will bring you out of the beast with violence and destroy the beast from before your eyes. Those who will not remove their hearts far from the beast will perish with the beast and all of it's armies.

9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

Godsloft, perhaps you would like to share where the verses you have quoted came from...it helps to know these things.

21 Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.

4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

2 For the indignation of the Lord is against all nations, And His fury against all their armies; He has utterly destroyed them, He has given them over to the slaughter.

For those who may not know the refences that Godsloft posted here are the actual book, chapter and verses...

Rev 18:21 ¶ And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast [it] into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Isa 34:2 For the indignation of the LORD [is] upon all nations, and [his] fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.

May the LORD bless you...

The Lord bless you Signet.

It won't be Long now and the Lord will bring us all together.

In His Love Charlie