Shalom,
[color=#009900]All scripture references are from the PNT (Power New Testament) unless otherwise annotated.[/color]
[color=#3333FF]Jn 8:31 Therefore JESUS was saying to the Jewish people who believed in Him, "If you would remain in My word, you are truly My disciples
Jn 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jn 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's seed and we have never been slaves: how do You say that 'You will become free.'"
Jn 8:34 JESUS answered them, "I most definitely say to you that everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
Jn 8:35 And the slave does not stay in the house forever, the son does stay forever.
Jn 8:36 If therefore the Son would set you free, you will truly be free.
Jn 8:37 I know that you are Abraham's seed: but you are seeking to kill Me, because My message does not take hold in you.
Jn 8:38 I am saying what I have seen from The FATHER: but you are doing what you heard from your father." [/color]
So much freedom and yet so few that are free in deed!
This is a rather familiar group of scriptures and yet with so many different groups calling them selves CHRISTian as well as so many different opinions as to what it is to be a CHRISTian and yet even more different views on how one is to live if they are a CHRISTian I must stop and contemplate what it is to truly be free?
Without stirring up all the controversy over different versions of the Bible we still must examine words in order to obtain the depth of understanding that we desire. In Jn 8:31 we see used the word "remain". In the Greek the word is [color=#009900][b]meno[/b][/color]. In some versions they translate this word as "continue" which is not a bad translation and yet it still falls short of conveying the fullness of the word. A better translation than either of these would be to say, 'we are to "live in"'. Y'SHUA is telling those listening as well as us to "live in" HIS word, converting the written Word of YHVH into action, to bring The FATHER's love (Jn 3:16) for all of mankind to all of mankind. To make HIS words exactly the life that we live before all others. To make HIS words our life!
In verses 33-35 we see some form of the Greek word [color=#009900][b]doulos[/b][/color] being used and translated slave or in bondage or some such variety of the word. This is an accurate translation and yet it leaves us without a needed understanding. "Servant" is a correct translation of three words actually. The Greek words of diakonos, oiketays, and doulous could all be translated as servants, slaves or to be in bondage without being wrong and yet not being completely right either.
Diakonos is probably best known and translated as minister or deacon while oiketays and doulous are much more accurately translated as slave, servant, or bondservant. An oiketays was a bondservant who worked only as a household servant; a maid, cook, nurse, butler, or in some similar capacity. This type of a bondservant was purchased or contracted for a specific time or job. We see this type of relationship reflected in the life of Jacob as he was a bondservant to Laban in order to obtain his daughter Rachel in marriage (Gen 29:16-28).
A believer (doulous) in Y'SHUA was purchased with the life of Y'SHUA on the cross. In this HE therefore created a bondservant relationship with us that requires of us a total obligation to HIM. This is not the same as slavery, this is not the same as oiketays or being an indentured servant with but a set time of obligation. We still have a freewill and can break the contract whereas a slave is forced to complete the time of the contract. The requirement upon us comes with a continual freedom. As long as we lay down our life or what we would term as our will, to live in HIS will or to let HIS life live within us then we have the freedom of a Son of HIS FATHER, YHVH. We become one with HIM and with The FATHER in this manner. We lay down our life in order to take up HIS life and let HIM be resurrected upon the earth being seen alive within and through us. We become conformed into HIS image which was also the expressed image of The FATHER. We then also through this become the expressed image of The FATHER on the earth. Who or what we are, our will, our way, our life must die in order for us to live freely in HIM, to be one with HIM.
[color=#3333FF]Jn 8:31 Therefore JESUS was saying to the Jewish people who believed in Him, "If you would remain in My word, you are truly My disciples
Jn 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jn 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's seed and we have never been slaves: how do You say that 'You will become free.'"
Jn 8:34 JESUS answered them, "I most definitely say to you that everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
Jn 8:35 And the slave does not stay in the house forever, the son does stay forever.[/color]
When mankind in the form of Adam was "born" or created or whatever term you can grab a hold of, he was born of YHVH in freedom as The Son of YHVH. He was the Only Begotten of YHVH, but.... "BUT" [color=#3333FF]Jn 8:31 ...If you would remain in My word....[/color], but he did not remain! Adam was given but one Law, one instruction, one requirement and that was not to touch or eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He therefore sinned! He chose to break his contract with YHVH and go his own way. In Luke 15:11-31 Y'SHUA relates what happened to us (mankind) in the form of the parable of the Prodigal Son. This son chose to go his own way, to do his own thing rather than to live in the way of his father. He broke his contract with his father in order to do things his own way. He too sinned. Finally he had an epiphany! It finally dawns upon him as we see...
[color=#3333FF]Lk 15:17 And [u][b]then he came to himself[/b][/u] [/color](flash - the light comes on)[color=#3333FF] and said, 'How many hired hands of my father abound in food, but I am dying here in famine.
Lk 15:18 When I get up I will go to my father and I will say to him, "Father, I sinned against Heaven and before you,
Lk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son: you must make me as one of your hands.'"[/color]
This son had an epiphany and the light of righteousness dawned within his heart. He came to his senses and humbled himself before his father and in front of others. He was now ready and willing to live within the constraints of servitude in order to receive the benefits of even the least of all of his father's servants. He would still retain the right to choose to leave or to break this contract but now he was different. He no longer had the desire to leave or to break his contract. He no longer wanted to do things his way. He was now giving himself over totally to the will, the way or the life of his father. He was now a 'doulous'. He was now a servant by choice. He was now free to live as a Son of The FATHER. He now knew the truth and the same truth had now set him free!
How free are you?
Have you had an epiphany?
Full Version: Have You Had An Epiphany?
Great Post Semachia. I have come to understand that I am free from sin. It has no hold on me nor do I hold on to it as a crutch as so many who claim Christ do. We don't have to sin. We are tempted and our flesh tends that way but we don't have to yield to it. Romans 7 & 8 are liberating in that regard.
Amen!
Great Post Semachia.
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Luke 15;19
the prodigal said "i am no longer worthy to be called YOUR SON; make me as one of your HIRED SERVANTS.
verse 24
the father called him "THIS MY SON"
***
John 8;31
Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My Word, --hold fast to my teachings and live in accordance with them---you are truly my disciples.
verse 35
a SLAVE does not remain in a household permanently (forever); the SON [of the house] does remain forever.
Great Post Semachia.
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Luke 15;19
the prodigal said "i am no longer worthy to be called YOUR SON; make me as one of your HIRED SERVANTS.
verse 24
the father called him "THIS MY SON"
***
John 8;31
Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My Word, --hold fast to my teachings and live in accordance with them---you are truly my disciples.
verse 35
a SLAVE does not remain in a household permanently (forever); the SON [of the house] does remain forever.
Shalom,
To those denominations, assemblies or Preachers who say you "[b]must[/b]" worship on the Sabbath, you "[b]must[/b]" tithe, you "[b]must[/b]" not cut your hair, you "[b]must[/b]" speak in tongues to be saved, you "[b]etc...[/b]", tell them that they "[b]must[/b]" show you where it says that you "[b]MUST[/b]" after you have become a friend of YHVH, after you have become HIS Son?
To those denominations, assemblies or Preachers who say you "[b]must[/b]" worship on the Sabbath, you "[b]must[/b]" tithe, you "[b]must[/b]" not cut your hair, you "[b]must[/b]" speak in tongues to be saved, you "[b]etc...[/b]", tell them that they "[b]must[/b]" show you where it says that you "[b]MUST[/b]" after you have become a friend of YHVH, after you have become HIS Son?
QUOTE(Semachiah @ Mar 19 2007, 02:58 PM) [snapback]105944[/snapback]
Shalom,
All scripture references are from the PNT (Power New Testament) unless otherwise annotated.
Jn 8:31 Therefore JESUS was saying to the Jewish people who believed in Him, "If you would remain in My word, you are truly My disciples
Jn 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jn 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's seed and we have never been slaves: how do You say that 'You will become free.'"
Jn 8:34 JESUS answered them, "I most definitely say to you that everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
Jn 8:35 And the slave does not stay in the house forever, the son does stay forever.
Jn 8:36 If therefore the Son would set you free, you will truly be free.
Jn 8:37 I know that you are Abraham's seed: but you are seeking to kill Me, because My message does not take hold in you.
Jn 8:38 I am saying what I have seen from The FATHER: but you are doing what you heard from your father."
So much freedom and yet so few that are free in deed!
This is a rather familiar group of scriptures and yet with so many different groups calling them selves CHRISTian as well as so many different opinions as to what it is to be a CHRISTian and yet even more different views on how one is to live if they are a CHRISTian I must stop and contemplate what it is to truly be free?
Without stirring up all the controversy over different versions of the Bible we still must examine words in order to obtain the depth of understanding that we desire. In Jn 8:31 we see used the word "remain". In the Greek the word is meno. In some versions they translate this word as "continue" which is not a bad translation and yet it still falls short of conveying the fullness of the word. A better translation than either of these would be to say, 'we are to "live in"'. Y'SHUA is telling those listening as well as us to "live in" HIS word, converting the written Word of YHVH into action, to bring The FATHER's love (Jn 3:16) for all of mankind to all of mankind. To make HIS words exactly the life that we live before all others. To make HIS words our life!
In verses 33-35 we see some form of the Greek word doulos being used and translated slave or in bondage or some such variety of the word. This is an accurate translation and yet it leaves us without a needed understanding. "Servant" is a correct translation of three words actually. The Greek words of diakonos, oiketays, and doulous could all be translated as servants, slaves or to be in bondage without being wrong and yet not being completely right either.
Diakonos is probably best known and translated as minister or deacon while oiketays and doulous are much more accurately translated as slave, servant, or bondservant. An oiketays was a bondservant who worked only as a household servant; a maid, cook, nurse, butler, or in some similar capacity. This type of a bondservant was purchased or contracted for a specific time or job. We see this type of relationship reflected in the life of Jacob as he was a bondservant to Laban in order to obtain his daughter Rachel in marriage (Gen 29:16-28).
A believer (doulous) in Y'SHUA was purchased with the life of Y'SHUA on the cross. In this HE therefore created a bondservant relationship with us that requires of us a total obligation to HIM. This is not the same as slavery, this is not the same as oiketays or being an indentured servant with but a set time of obligation. We still have a freewill and can break the contract whereas a slave is forced to complete the time of the contract. The requirement upon us comes with a continual freedom. As long as we lay down our life or what we would term as our will, to live in HIS will or to let HIS life live within us then we have the freedom of a Son of HIS FATHER, YHVH. We become one with HIM and with The FATHER in this manner. We lay down our life in order to take up HIS life and let HIM be resurrected upon the earth being seen alive within and through us. We become conformed into HIS image which was also the expressed image of The FATHER. We then also through this become the expressed image of The FATHER on the earth. Who or what we are, our will, our way, our life must die in order for us to live freely in HIM, to be one with HIM.
Jn 8:31 Therefore JESUS was saying to the Jewish people who believed in Him, "If you would remain in My word, you are truly My disciples
Jn 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jn 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's seed and we have never been slaves: how do You say that 'You will become free.'"
Jn 8:34 JESUS answered them, "I most definitely say to you that everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
Jn 8:35 And the slave does not stay in the house forever, the son does stay forever.
When mankind in the form of Adam was "born" or created or whatever term you can grab a hold of, he was born of YHVH in freedom as The Son of YHVH. He was the Only Begotten of YHVH, but.... "BUT" Jn 8:31 ...If you would remain in My word...., but he did not remain! Adam was given but one Law, one instruction, one requirement and that was not to touch or eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He therefore sinned! He chose to break his contract with YHVH and go his own way. In Luke 15:11-31 Y'SHUA relates what happened to us (mankind) in the form of the parable of the Prodigal Son. This son chose to go his own way, to do his own thing rather than to live in the way of his father. He broke his contract with his father in order to do things his own way. He too sinned. Finally he had an epiphany! It finally dawns upon him as we see...
Lk 15:17 And then he came to himself (flash - the light comes on) and said, 'How many hired hands of my father abound in food, but I am dying here in famine.
Lk 15:18 When I get up I will go to my father and I will say to him, "Father, I sinned against Heaven and before you,
Lk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son: you must make me as one of your hands.'"
This son had an epiphany and the light of righteousness dawned within his heart. He came to his senses and humbled himself before his father and in front of others. He was now ready and willing to live within the constraints of servitude in order to receive the benefits of even the least of all of his father's servants. He would still retain the right to choose to leave or to break this contract but now he was different. He no longer had the desire to leave or to break his contract. He no longer wanted to do things his way. He was now giving himself over totally to the will, the way or the life of his father. He was now a 'doulous'. He was now a servant by choice. He was now free to live as a Son of The FATHER. He now knew the truth and the same truth had now set him free!
How free are you?
Have you had an epiphany?
Thank you
great post. C
QUOTE(Semachiah @ Mar 20 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]106043[/snapback]
Shalom,
To those denominations, assemblies or Preachers who say you "must" worship on the Sabbath, you "must" tithe, you "must" not cut your hair, you "must" speak in tongues to be saved, you "etc...", tell them that they "must" show you where it says that you "MUST" after you have become a friend of YHVH, after you have become HIS Son?
I liked your original post brother, but I don't understand the question. What we must do to be blessed and fed in our Father's house is "obey"- live under the constraints to remain in the Father's house.
"Choose you this day whom you will follow.
Blessings and life or curses and death." - loose quote of Joshuah.
I'm fond of teaching my children once they know right from wrong...
"You may choose to do what ever you will. The consequences however are set in stone from the foundation of the Universe."
What one of us who adores and loves the Father and his Son, would heap coals of shame upon the work of the cross by presuming to live lawless while still seeking the blessings of the Cross? God does not change. True freedom comes from discernment from knowing the Son and having true freedom to choose to do well in His sight.
Love of the Son brings freedom from the bondage of lawlessness and lawfulness alike. Righteousness and lawfulness become a joyful sacrifice of Life to Glorify God alone.
KWIM
bananna
Shalom,
Thanks C!
Banana,
It looks as if you do understand the basic concept I am trying to draw forth and yet maybe not actually grasping the entirety of it.
In short I am asking if you (generally speaking and not you specifically) are bound by laws of a denomination, an assembly or a preacher? Have they presented you with "Do's and Don'ts" of religion or have you been set free through The CHRIST to live in harmony and communion with The FATHER. Is The FATHER one within you and you within HIM or are you merely legally tied to HIM like an indentured servant?
In many assemblies there is an ever present cloud looming over the people that they "Must do this and not do that!" Then the preacher tries and tell you that you are to cultivate a "relationship" with YHVH. This is impossible! This type of slave, the indentured servant is little more than a tool of the master. The two are existing at arms length from each other and a relationship of communion cannot be developed.
YHVH is NOT attempting to make tools or pawns of us. HE is attempting to have a relationship, to have communion, to be one with us, just as HE was one with Y'SHUA.
HE is asking us to lay down our "SELF" (a dirty four letter word for sin) for another.
HE is asking us to give over "our desires" to allow HIM and HIS desires to come to life within us.
HE is asking us to die to our "SELF" and to live to HIM. To become one with HIM just as Y'SHUA lived the example before us. We were given the example of The CHRIST first to make this relationship possible through HIS sacrificial life but secondly to give us the example of how we too can live. That we too can have the relationship with The FATHER that Y'SHUA had and that as HIS representatives on the earth that we too can do the things that Y'SHUA did in The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30 and Mk 16:14-20) We are to be free to commune with The FATHER is such close proximity that we too only say and do what we hear and see from The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30)
The ultimate question that I have posed is,
"Has this light come on within you (generally speaking)?
Have you had this epiphany?"
Thanks C!
Banana,
It looks as if you do understand the basic concept I am trying to draw forth and yet maybe not actually grasping the entirety of it.
In short I am asking if you (generally speaking and not you specifically) are bound by laws of a denomination, an assembly or a preacher? Have they presented you with "Do's and Don'ts" of religion or have you been set free through The CHRIST to live in harmony and communion with The FATHER. Is The FATHER one within you and you within HIM or are you merely legally tied to HIM like an indentured servant?
In many assemblies there is an ever present cloud looming over the people that they "Must do this and not do that!" Then the preacher tries and tell you that you are to cultivate a "relationship" with YHVH. This is impossible! This type of slave, the indentured servant is little more than a tool of the master. The two are existing at arms length from each other and a relationship of communion cannot be developed.
YHVH is NOT attempting to make tools or pawns of us. HE is attempting to have a relationship, to have communion, to be one with us, just as HE was one with Y'SHUA.
HE is asking us to lay down our "SELF" (a dirty four letter word for sin) for another.
HE is asking us to give over "our desires" to allow HIM and HIS desires to come to life within us.
HE is asking us to die to our "SELF" and to live to HIM. To become one with HIM just as Y'SHUA lived the example before us. We were given the example of The CHRIST first to make this relationship possible through HIS sacrificial life but secondly to give us the example of how we too can live. That we too can have the relationship with The FATHER that Y'SHUA had and that as HIS representatives on the earth that we too can do the things that Y'SHUA did in The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30 and Mk 16:14-20) We are to be free to commune with The FATHER is such close proximity that we too only say and do what we hear and see from The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30)
The ultimate question that I have posed is,
"Has this light come on within you (generally speaking)?
Have you had this epiphany?"
Shalom,
Let me ask something totally different here and way off the subject, please?
Why is it when I reply and I use the buttons at the top of the reply I do not see things like the colors added or the underline made all I see is the BB code? Has the board moderator not enabled the BB code?
Let me ask something totally different here and way off the subject, please?
Why is it when I reply and I use the buttons at the top of the reply I do not see things like the colors added or the underline made all I see is the BB code? Has the board moderator not enabled the BB code?
QUOTE(Semachiah @ Apr 1 2007, 07:55 AM) [snapback]107723[/snapback]
Shalom,
Let me ask something totally different here and way off the subject, please?
Why is it when I reply and I use the buttons at the top of the reply I do not see things like the colors added or the underline made all I see is the BB code? Has the board moderator not enabled the BB code?
Hi There!
We turned off the BBcodes a long time ago when dealing with the athiests and others who would use this particular forum to peddle their subjects and wares. However, we have developed a wonderful way of taking care of that, and now the BB codes are on.
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
gr2bsaved (Admin)
QUOTE(Semachiah @ Apr 1 2007, 05:51 AM) [snapback]107721[/snapback]
QUOTE(Semachiah @ Mar 20 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]106043[/snapback]
QUOTE(Semachiah @ Mar 19 2007, 05:58 AM) [snapback]105944[/snapback]
Shalom,
All scripture references are from the PNT (Power New Testament) unless otherwise annotated.
Jn 8:31 Therefore JESUS was saying to the Jewish people who believed in Him, "If you would remain in My word, you are truly My disciples
Jn 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jn 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's seed and we have never been slaves: how do You say that 'You will become free.'"
Jn 8:34 JESUS answered them, "I most definitely say to you that everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
Jn 8:35 And the slave does not stay in the house forever, the son does stay forever.
Jn 8:36 If therefore the Son would set you free, you will truly be free.
Jn 8:37 I know that you are Abraham's seed: but you are seeking to kill Me, because My message does not take hold in you.
Jn 8:38 I am saying what I have seen from The FATHER: but you are doing what you heard from your father."
So much freedom and yet so few that are free in deed!
This is a rather familiar group of scriptures and yet with so many different groups calling them selves CHRISTian as well as so many different opinions as to what it is to be a CHRISTian and yet even more different views on how one is to live if they are a CHRISTian I must stop and contemplate what it is to truly be free?
Without stirring up all the controversy over different versions of the Bible we still must examine words in order to obtain the depth of understanding that we desire. In Jn 8:31 we see used the word "remain". In the Greek the word is meno. In some versions they translate this word as "continue" which is not a bad translation and yet it still falls short of conveying the fullness of the word. A better translation than either of these would be to say, 'we are to "live in"'. Y'SHUA is telling those listening as well as us to "live in" HIS word, converting the written Word of YHVH into action, to bring The FATHER's love (Jn 3:16) for all of mankind to all of mankind. To make HIS words exactly the life that we live before all others. To make HIS words our life!
In verses 33-35 we see some form of the Greek word doulos being used and translated slave or in bondage or some such variety of the word. This is an accurate translation and yet it leaves us without a needed understanding. "Servant" is a correct translation of three words actually. The Greek words of diakonos, oiketays, and doulous could all be translated as servants, slaves or to be in bondage without being wrong and yet not being completely right either.
Diakonos is probably best known and translated as minister or deacon while oiketays and doulous are much more accurately translated as slave, servant, or bondservant. An oiketays was a bondservant who worked only as a household servant; a maid, cook, nurse, butler, or in some similar capacity. This type of a bondservant was purchased or contracted for a specific time or job. We see this type of relationship reflected in the life of Jacob as he was a bondservant to Laban in order to obtain his daughter Rachel in marriage (Gen 29:16-28).
A believer (doulous) in Y'SHUA was purchased with the life of Y'SHUA on the cross. In this HE therefore created a bondservant relationship with us that requires of us a total obligation to HIM. This is not the same as slavery, this is not the same as oiketays or being an indentured servant with but a set time of obligation. We still have a freewill and can break the contract whereas a slave is forced to complete the time of the contract. The requirement upon us comes with a continual freedom. As long as we lay down our life or what we would term as our will, to live in HIS will or to let HIS life live within us then we have the freedom of a Son of HIS FATHER, YHVH. We become one with HIM and with The FATHER in this manner. We lay down our life in order to take up HIS life and let HIM be resurrected upon the earth being seen alive within and through us. We become conformed into HIS image which was also the expressed image of The FATHER. We then also through this become the expressed image of The FATHER on the earth. Who or what we are, our will, our way, our life must die in order for us to live freely in HIM, to be one with HIM.
Jn 8:31 Therefore JESUS was saying to the Jewish people who believed in Him, "If you would remain in My word, you are truly My disciples
Jn 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
Jn 8:33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's seed and we have never been slaves: how do You say that 'You will become free.'"
Jn 8:34 JESUS answered them, "I most definitely say to you that everyone who commits sin is a slave of sin.
Jn 8:35 And the slave does not stay in the house forever, the son does stay forever.
When mankind in the form of Adam was "born" or created or whatever term you can grab a hold of, he was born of YHVH in freedom as The Son of YHVH. He was the Only Begotten of YHVH, but.... "BUT" Jn 8:31 ...If you would remain in My word...., but he did not remain! Adam was given but one Law, one instruction, one requirement and that was not to touch or eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He therefore sinned! He chose to break his contract with YHVH and go his own way. In Luke 15:11-31 Y'SHUA relates what happened to us (mankind) in the form of the parable of the Prodigal Son. This son chose to go his own way, to do his own thing rather than to live in the way of his father. He broke his contract with his father in order to do things his own way. He too sinned. Finally he had an epiphany! It finally dawns upon him as we see...
Lk 15:17 And then he came to himself (flash - the light comes on) and said, 'How many hired hands of my father abound in food, but I am dying here in famine.
Lk 15:18 When I get up I will go to my father and I will say to him, "Father, I sinned against Heaven and before you,
Lk 15:19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son: you must make me as one of your hands.'"
This son had an epiphany and the light of righteousness dawned within his heart. He came to his senses and humbled himself before his father and in front of others. He was now ready and willing to live within the constraints of servitude in order to receive the benefits of even the least of all of his father's servants. He would still retain the right to choose to leave or to break this contract but now he was different. He no longer had the desire to leave or to break his contract. He no longer wanted to do things his way. He was now giving himself over totally to the will, the way or the life of his father. He was now a 'doulous'. He was now a servant by choice. He was now free to live as a Son of The FATHER. He now knew the truth and the same truth had now set him free!
How free are you?
Have you had an epiphany?
Shalom,
To those denominations, assemblies or Preachers who say you "must" worship on the Sabbath, you "must" tithe, you "must" not cut your hair, you "must" speak in tongues to be saved, you "etc...", tell them that they "must" show you where it says that you "MUST" after you have become a friend of YHVH, after you have become HIS Son?
Shalom,
Thanks C!
Banana,
It looks as if you do understand the basic concept I am trying to draw forth and yet maybe not actually grasping the entirety of it.
In short I am asking if you (generally speaking and not you specifically) are bound by laws of a denomination, an assembly or a preacher? Have they presented you with "Do's and Don'ts" of religion or have you been set free through The CHRIST to live in harmony and communion with The FATHER. Is The FATHER one within you and you within HIM or are you merely legally tied to HIM like an indentured servant?
In many assemblies there is an ever present cloud looming over the people that they "Must do this and not do that!" Then the preacher tries and tell you that you are to cultivate a "relationship" with YHVH. This is impossible! This type of slave, the indentured servant is little more than a tool of the master. The two are existing at arms length from each other and a relationship of communion cannot be developed.
YHVH is NOT attempting to make tools or pawns of us. HE is attempting to have a relationship, to have communion, to be one with us, just as HE was one with Y'SHUA.
HE is asking us to lay down our "SELF" (a dirty four letter word for sin) for another.
HE is asking us to give over "our desires" to allow HIM and HIS desires to come to life within us.
HE is asking us to die to our "SELF" and to live to HIM. To become one with HIM just as Y'SHUA lived the example before us. We were given the example of The CHRIST first to make this relationship possible through HIS sacrificial life but secondly to give us the example of how we too can live. That we too can have the relationship with The FATHER that Y'SHUA had and that as HIS representatives on the earth that we too can do the things that Y'SHUA did in The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30 and Mk 16:14-20) We are to be free to commune with The FATHER is such close proximity that we too only say and do what we hear and see from The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30)
The ultimate question that I have posed is,
"Has this light come on within you (generally speaking)?
Have you had this epiphany?"
Amen Semachiah
And again I say Amen. Praise our Lord and Savior who has revealed these things to His elect in the Last days.
Charlie
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Shalom,
Let me ask something totally different here and way off the subject, please?
Why is it when I reply and I use the buttons at the top of the reply I do not see things like the colors added or the underline made all I see is the BB code? Has the board moderator not enabled the BB code?
Hi There!
We turned off the BBcodes a long time ago when dealing with the athiests and others who would use this particular forum to peddle their subjects and wares. However, we have developed a wonderful way of taking care of that, and now the BB codes are on.
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
gr2bsaved (Admin)
Thanks gr2bsaved its much better now
C
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Shalom,
Thanks C!
Banana,
It looks as if you do understand the basic concept I am trying to draw forth and yet maybe not actually grasping the entirety of it.
In short I am asking if you (generally speaking and not you specifically) are bound by laws of a denomination, an assembly or a preacher? Have they presented you with "Do's and Don'ts" of religion or have you been set free through The CHRIST to live in harmony and communion with The FATHER. Is The FATHER one within you and you within HIM or are you merely legally tied to HIM like an indentured servant?
In many assemblies there is an ever present cloud looming over the people that they "Must do this and not do that!" Then the preacher tries and tell you that you are to cultivate a "relationship" with YHVH. This is impossible! This type of slave, the indentured servant is little more than a tool of the master. The two are existing at arms length from each other and a relationship of communion cannot be developed.
YHVH is NOT attempting to make tools or pawns of us. HE is attempting to have a relationship, to have communion, to be one with us, just as HE was one with Y'SHUA.
HE is asking us to lay down our "SELF" (a dirty four letter word for sin) for another.
HE is asking us to give over "our desires" to allow HIM and HIS desires to come to life within us.
HE is asking us to die to our "SELF" and to live to HIM. To become one with HIM just as Y'SHUA lived the example before us. We were given the example of The CHRIST first to make this relationship possible through HIS sacrificial life but secondly to give us the example of how we too can live. That we too can have the relationship with The FATHER that Y'SHUA had and that as HIS representatives on the earth that we too can do the things that Y'SHUA did in The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30 and Mk 16:14-20) We are to be free to commune with The FATHER is such close proximity that we too only say and do what we hear and see from The FATHER. (Jn 5:19;30)
The ultimate question that I have posed is,
"Has this light come on within you (generally speaking)?
Have you had this epiphany?"
Denominations, assemblies and preachers add a lot of things on top of what Christ said and did and all we need is Him. This reminds me of a question--have you spiritually been born of God? Have you received His image in your countenance? Have you experienced this mighty change in your hearts? Do you exercise faith in the redemption of him who created you? Do you look forward with an eye of faith? Well, ok that was more than one question, but it gets at a changed heart and living by faith in Christ. That's what I'm about. Enjoyed your post!
Shalom,
Shy1 you have an excellent grasp of how the Gov't ask 1 question! Great job and to the exact point!
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have you spiritually been born of God? Have you received His image in your countenance? Have you experienced this mighty change in your hearts? Do you exercise faith in the redemption of him who created you? Do you look forward with an eye of faith?
Shy1 you have an excellent grasp of how the Gov't ask 1 question! Great job and to the exact point!
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